Poll of the Day > Does the United States of America need stricter gun control?

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St_Kevin 10/02/17 4:23:37 PM #1:	Ohhhhh boy. Yes No View Results @.@ --- [:D] That Canadian Emperor Guy King of ** posts and memes [:)]** <cite>St_Kevin posted [p:887681547] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote> Ohhhhh boy. Yes No View Results @.@</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peterass 10/02/17 4:25:46 PM #2:	Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless. --- Everything is awesome <cite>Peterass posted [p:887681674] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 10/02/17 4:28:11 PM #3:	We need to fix our mental health rather than pumping people full of drugs --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:887681830] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>We need to fix our mental health rather than pumping people full of drugs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 10/02/17 4:30:45 PM #4:	If I believed the government could actually do it effectively, yes. But I see gun control in the same way as I look at DRM. People that want it, will still get it and though it may curb some of the less enthusiastic people, it's going to do more harm to the general public. I'm not against it in principle, but I just don't think anyone can do it in a way that makes sense. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887681996] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>If I believed the government could actually do it effectively, yes. But I see gun control in the same way as I look at DRM. People that want it, will still get it and though it may curb some of the less enthusiastic people, it's going to do more harm to the general public. I'm not against it in principle, but I just don't think anyone can do it in a way that makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 10/02/17 4:31:35 PM #5:	You think someone who commits suicide after breaking the law is afraid if the consequences of breaking the law? Besides, the end result of all proposed gun laws even completely enforceable through magic isn't "nobody has guns", it's "the government has all the guns" since the government which enforces the law will never give up the guns themselves. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:887682034] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>You think someone who commits suicide after breaking the law is afraid if the consequences of breaking the law? Besides, the end result of all proposed gun laws even completely enforceable through magic isn't "nobody has guns", it's "the government has all the guns" since the government which enforces the law will never give up the guns themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
impatientperson 10/02/17 4:32:32 PM #6:	We need to bicker back and forth and eventually do nothing until it's forgotten about. Then we can pick it up again when the next mass shooting happens. --- This user is awesome!: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/user.php?board=804141&topic=12351915135 <cite>impatientperson posted [p:887682093] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>We need to bicker back and forth and eventually do nothing until it's forgotten about. Then we can pick it up again when the next mass shooting happens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St_Kevin 10/02/17 4:33:10 PM #7:	impatientperson posted... We need to bicker back and forth and eventually do nothing until it's forgotten about. Then we can pick it up again when the next mass shooting happens. ok --- [:D] That Canadian Emperor Guy King of ** posts and memes [:)]** <cite>St_Kevin posted [p:887682131] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>impatientperson posted...</cite> <quote>We need to bicker back and forth and eventually do nothing until it's forgotten about. Then we can pick it up again when the next mass shooting happens.</quote> ok</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Quol 10/02/17 4:38:53 PM #8:	Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened" <cite>Quol posted [p:887682455] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 10/02/17 4:42:07 PM #9:	Quol posted... Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened" yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands? --- http://i.imgur.com/anU2AWL.png <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:887682637] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Quol posted...</cite> <quote>Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened"</quote> yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/02/17 4:44:26 PM #10:	DirtBasedSoap posted... Quol posted... Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened" yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands? It hasn't so far. Keep in mind that we're the world's largest producer of guns. It'd be kind of hard to mass-manufacture weapons in a country then not expect them to illegally fall into the wrong hands. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887682772] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>DirtBasedSoap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Quol posted...</cite> <quote>Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened"</quote> yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands?</quote> It hasn't so far. Keep in mind that we're the world's largest producer of guns. It'd be kind of hard to mass-manufacture weapons in a country then not expect them to illegally fall into the wrong hands.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain 10/02/17 4:44:56 PM #11:	DirtBasedSoap posted... Quol posted... Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened" yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands? Not really, all you are doing is making it harder for someone to get a gun legally and easier to do so through illegal means. Like drugs. --- I am a senior software engineer. If you see me post here, I am tired of writing TPS reports. <cite>Dikitain posted [p:887682803] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>DirtBasedSoap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Quol posted...</cite> <quote>Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened"</quote> yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands?</quote> Not really, all you are doing is making it harder for someone to get a gun legally and easier to do so through illegal means. Like drugs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 10/02/17 4:47:07 PM #12:	Zeus posted... DirtBasedSoap posted... Quol posted... Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened" yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands? It hasn't so far. Keep in mind that we're the world's largest producer of guns. It'd be kind of hard to mass-manufacture weapons in a country then not expect them to illegally fall into the wrong hands. you can't really just say 'it hasn't helped at all' because it flat out isn't true. obviously laws aren't going to prevent literally every shorting but it seems like a dumb approach to just say 'criminals will be criminals' and just shrug it off and do nothing --- http://i.imgur.com/anU2AWL.png <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:887682930] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DirtBasedSoap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Quol posted...</cite> <quote>Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened"</quote> yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands?</quote> It hasn't so far. Keep in mind that we're the world's largest producer of guns. It'd be kind of hard to mass-manufacture weapons in a country then not expect them to illegally fall into the wrong hands.</quote> you can't really just say 'it hasn't helped at all' because it flat out isn't true. obviously laws aren't going to prevent literally every shorting but it seems like a dumb approach to just say 'criminals will be criminals' and just shrug it off and do nothing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Quol 10/02/17 4:47:26 PM #13:	DirtBasedSoap posted... Quol posted... Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened" yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands? No, i literally just googled "Where can you buy illegal guns" and turns out there are facebook pages that sell illegal guns. Stricter control will make it harder to find vendors but they will always exist, you dont even need to be zealously determined, if you are just a little determined to get a gun and have money people on the internet will happily help. Edit; thinking about it now i might be on some watch list. Hooray. <cite>Quol posted [p:887682946] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>DirtBasedSoap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Quol posted...</cite> <quote>Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened"</quote> yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands?</quote> No, i literally just googled "Where can you buy illegal guns" and turns out there are facebook pages that sell illegal guns. Stricter control will make it harder to find vendors but they will always exist, you dont even need to be zealously determined, if you are just a little determined to get a gun and have money people on the internet will happily help. Edit; thinking about it now i might be on some watch list. Hooray.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duck-I-Says 10/02/17 4:49:24 PM #14:	Peterass posted... Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless. It's weird that we don't apply this policy to rogue nuclear states. <cite>Duck-I-Says posted [p:887683073] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless.</quote> It's weird that we don't apply this policy to rogue nuclear states.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 10/02/17 4:50:11 PM #15:	Quol posted... DirtBasedSoap posted... Quol posted... Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened" yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands? No, i literally just googled "Where can you buy illegal guns" and turns out there are facebook pages that sell illegal guns. Stricter control will make it harder to find vendors but they will always exist, you dont even need to be zealously determined, if you are just a little determined to get a gun and have money people on the internet will happily help. interesting. yeah, not really sure what can be done to prevent that --- http://i.imgur.com/anU2AWL.png <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:887683125] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Quol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DirtBasedSoap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Quol posted...</cite> <quote>Its useless to make gun control stricter. Simply because the people that would follow that law are not the people that would shoot 'em up. The shooters are going to get guns regardless of gun control and thinking it will make any difference is just a coping mechanism of "If only we did this, then that event would never have happened"</quote> yeah well would stricter control make it less likely for the weapons to end up in the wrong hands?</quote> No, i literally just googled "Where can you buy illegal guns" and turns out there are facebook pages that sell illegal guns. Stricter control will make it harder to find vendors but they will always exist, you dont even need to be zealously determined, if you are just a little determined to get a gun and have money people on the internet will happily help.</quote> interesting. yeah, not really sure what can be done to prevent that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 10/02/17 4:55:37 PM #16:	DirtBasedSoap posted... you can't really just say 'it hasn't helped at all' because it flat out isn't true. obviously laws aren't going to prevent literally every shorting but it seems like a dumb approach to just say 'criminals will be criminals' and just shrug it off and do nothing It could even make it worse. The war on drugs has created a hellish nightmare in the US and in South America. You might even create a new cartel industry just for guns. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887683441] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>DirtBasedSoap posted...</cite> <quote>you can't really just say 'it hasn't helped at all' because it flat out isn't true. obviously laws aren't going to prevent literally every shorting but it seems like a dumb approach to just say 'criminals will be criminals' and just shrug it off and do nothing </quote> It could even make it worse. The war on drugs has created a hellish nightmare in the US and in South America. You might even create a new cartel industry just for guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SushiSquid 10/02/17 4:55:54 PM #17:	Peterass posted... Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless. You're right. Let's make it so murder is legal too. After all, people who want to kill people are just going to do it regardless. <cite>SushiSquid posted [p:887683460] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless.</quote> You're right. Let's make it so murder is legal too. After all, people who want to kill people are just going to do it regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeminiX7 10/02/17 4:57:22 PM #18:	Yes. But banning all guns or anything of that like isn't the same as gun control. Stricter screening and mental health checks are what's much more pertinent. Also Most gun violence(and violence in general) is pretty spur of the moment, whether the gun is being used on yourself(i.e. suicide rates lowering with a gun not being in the home) or on others(not even counting the massive increase of accidental deaths due to discharge). Everyone having a gun just makes it more likely that the drunken fist fight or the five fingers across the face of a loved one becomes a hot one in the dome. What we need is better gun safety(not the same as just banning guns), better mental health treatment, and stricter screening for gun purchasing/licensing. That doesn't help violent crimes committed with illegal guns, but that problem is almost separate from the other gun issues because the causes, effects, and groups affected by it are so far removed from the other kinds of similar issues. It's like trying to discuss deliberate arsonists when talking about making a building safer against fire danger in general. If a person is actively looking to burn that building down you are going to have to plan differently than if you are worried about sparks from a faulty outlet or a particularly dry, hot summer. It's a fallacy to believe that people actually defend themselves with guns when confronted with an armed attacker. Even trained officers and soldiers falter under gunfire, and they are both specifically trained and expect to go into those situations. Saying you need a gun for self-defense is like claiming your Taekwondo lessons are for self defense. There's legit reasons to have it, there's recreational reasons to have it, but that specific one is bullshit in 999 of 1000 cases. Bolded and ribbed for your pleasure. --- MSI Z97\| Intel i5-4690 @ 3.5 Ghz \| 8GB Cosair Vengence @ 1600 \|Radeon R9 390 8GB Who gave you permission to talk to me, mongrel? <cite>GeminiX7 posted [p:887683562] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Yes. But banning all guns or anything of that like isn't the same as gun control. Stricter screening and mental health checks are what's much more pertinent. Also <quote>Most gun violence(and violence in general) is pretty spur of the moment, whether the gun is being used on yourself(i.e. suicide rates lowering with a gun not being in the home) or on others(not even counting the massive increase of accidental deaths due to discharge). Everyone having a gun just makes it more likely that the drunken fist fight or the five fingers across the face of a loved one becomes a hot one in the dome. What we need is better gun safety(not the same as just banning guns), better mental health treatment, and stricter screening for gun purchasing/licensing. That doesn't help violent crimes committed with illegal guns, but that problem is almost separate from the other gun issues because the causes, effects, and groups affected by it are so far removed from the other kinds of similar issues. It's like trying to discuss deliberate arsonists when talking about making a building safer against fire danger in general. If a person is actively looking to burn that building down you are going to have to plan differently than if you are worried about sparks from a faulty outlet or a particularly dry, hot summer. It's a fallacy to believe that people actually defend themselves with guns when confronted with an armed attacker. Even trained officers and soldiers falter under gunfire, and they are both specifically trained and expect to go into those situations. Saying you need a gun for self-defense is like claiming your Taekwondo lessons are for self defense. There's legit reasons to have it, there's recreational reasons to have it, but that specific one is bullshit in 999 of 1000 cases.</quote> Bolded and ribbed for your pleasure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/02/17 4:58:37 PM #19:	Tobacco kills a 9/11 every two days... (and that's just stats for the US) --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:887683637] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Tobacco kills a 9/11 every two days... (and that's just stats for the US)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeminiX7 10/02/17 4:59:56 PM #20:	Lokarin posted... Tobacco kills a 9/11 every two days... (and that's just stats for the US) Make guns legal only for the purposes of suicide then? --- MSI Z97\| Intel i5-4690 @ 3.5 Ghz \| 8GB Cosair Vengence @ 1600 \|Radeon R9 390 8GB Who gave you permission to talk to me, mongrel? <cite>GeminiX7 posted [p:887683730] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Tobacco kills a 9/11 every two days... (and that's just stats for the US)</quote> Make guns legal only for the purposes of suicide then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
impatientperson 10/02/17 5:02:55 PM #21:	The real question is how do we loosen gun control (I dunno Nevada's stance on control). 'Cause you always here about how lax gun control means the bad guy'll never know who will be there to stop them. Effectively scaring them from any sort of harmful activity. Dunno where those 'heroes' were this time but ehhh maybe next time. --- This user is awesome!: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/user.php?board=804141&topic=12351915135 <cite>impatientperson posted [p:887683907] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>The real question is how do we loosen gun control (I dunno Nevada's stance on control). 'Cause you always here about how lax gun control means the bad guy'll never know who will be there to stop them. Effectively scaring them from any sort of harmful activity. Dunno where those 'heroes' were this time but ehhh maybe next time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Currant_Kaiser 10/02/17 5:04:37 PM #22:	DirtBasedSoap posted... you can't really just say 'it hasn't helped at all' because it flat out isn't true. obviously laws aren't going to prevent literally every shorting but it seems like a dumb approach to just say 'criminals will be criminals' and just shrug it off and do nothing This. Nobody says 'criminals will be criminals' in regards to theft or murder; while putting laws against theft and murder in place would obviously be enough to discourage many from doing them, there are some that will commit the crimes regardless. Part of why you put the laws in place is so you can punish them when they break the law. Illegally owning firearms is no different. <cite>Currant_Kaiser posted [p:887683992] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>DirtBasedSoap posted...</cite> <quote>you can't really just say 'it hasn't helped at all' because it flat out isn't true. obviously laws aren't going to prevent literally every shorting but it seems like a dumb approach to just say 'criminals will be criminals' and just shrug it off and do nothing</quote> This. Nobody says 'criminals will be criminals' in regards to theft or murder; while putting laws against theft and murder in place would obviously be enough to discourage many from doing them, there are some that will commit the crimes regardless. Part of why you put the laws in place is so you can punish them when they break the law. Illegally owning firearms is no different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeminiX7 10/02/17 5:04:44 PM #23:	impatientperson posted... The real question is how do we loosen gun control (I dunno Nevada's stance on control). 'Cause you always here about how lax gun control means the bad guy'll never know who will be there to stop them. Effectively scaring them from any sort of harmful activity. Dunno where those 'heroes' were this time but ehhh maybe next time. It's a bullshit fantasy meant to sell guns to people who imagine actual situations with guns play out like movies. --- MSI Z97\| Intel i5-4690 @ 3.5 Ghz \| 8GB Cosair Vengence @ 1600 \|Radeon R9 390 8GB Who gave you permission to talk to me, mongrel? <cite>GeminiX7 posted [p:887683996] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>impatientperson posted...</cite> <quote>The real question is how do we loosen gun control (I dunno Nevada's stance on control). 'Cause you always here about how lax gun control means the bad guy'll never know who will be there to stop them. Effectively scaring them from any sort of harmful activity. Dunno where those 'heroes' were this time but ehhh maybe next time.</quote> It's a bullshit fantasy meant to sell guns to people who imagine actual situations with guns play out like movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peterass 10/02/17 5:31:43 PM #24:	SushiSquid posted... Peterass posted... Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless. You're right. Let's make it so murder is legal too. After all, people who want to kill people are just going to do it regardless. No let's make it even more illegal so people stop doing it. Btw, you're using the wrong analogy to attack me. I get what you were trying to do, by It doesn't really fit. --- Everything is awesome <cite>Peterass posted [p:887685591] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>SushiSquid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless.</quote> You're right. Let's make it so murder is legal too. After all, people who want to kill people are just going to do it regardless.</quote> No let's make it even more illegal so people stop doing it. Btw, you're using the wrong analogy to attack me. I get what you were trying to do, by It doesn't really fit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 10/02/17 5:48:23 PM #25:	Currant_Kaiser posted... This. Nobody says 'criminals will be criminals' in regards to theft or murder; while putting laws against theft and murder in place would obviously be enough to discourage many from doing them, there are some that will commit the crimes regardless. Part of why you put the laws in place is so you can punish them when they break the law. Illegally owning firearms is no different. But there are already laws against illegally owning firearms. So what are you trying to do? --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887686654] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Currant_Kaiser posted...</cite> <quote>This. Nobody says 'criminals will be criminals' in regards to theft or murder; while putting laws against theft and murder in place would obviously be enough to discourage many from doing them, there are some that will commit the crimes regardless. Part of why you put the laws in place is so you can punish them when they break the law. Illegally owning firearms is no different. </quote> But there are already laws against illegally owning firearms. So what are you trying to do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/02/17 5:48:26 PM #26:	Peterass posted... Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless. This is such a hollow argument, I'm so sick of seeing it. If that's your logic, why outlaw anything? "There's no point in outlawing robbery, criminals will rob people no matter how illegal it is. They don't care about laws, so you may as well keep it legal so that good-willed vigilantes can then rob the robbers." "Why bother banning black market F-16 sales? If a street gang wants to get their hands on a fighter jet, they'll find a way." "You may as well not bother putting a lock on your door - if a criminal wants to get in your house, they'll get into your house." Yes, it's true that you will never completely stop gun crime. Even the nations with the strictest gun control measures in the world still have gun crime. Some criminals are just that industrious. But not all of them, and that's the point. The objective isn't to prevent gun crime altogether, it's to reduce it, and just about every metric shows that tighter gun controls have that effect. Will the well-connected mafiosos and narco gangs still get guns? Yeah, probably - some of them have gotten a hold of fucking submarines, so guns are probably not beyond their reach. But what about the fuck-up cooking low quality meth in his trailer? You think he's going to be able to navigate the intricacies (and pay the expenses) of a black market to get a gun? What about the wife-beater who is an otherwise law-abiding citizen but starts waving a handgun around whenever he gets drunk? You think he's going to risk prison on something he doesn't even need? Hell, what about the fucking asshole who started this whole discussion by shooting up a music show in Vegas? By all accounts this guy was not a career criminal - for reasons as of yet undetermined, he just walked into a gun store, bought himself a fucking armoury, then holed up in a hotel and used it. Gun control might not have completely prevented the crime from happening, but you can't tell me that the body count would have been nearly as high if you made it illegal to acquire the sort of high-power weaponry he's packing. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:887686657] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless.</quote> This is such a hollow argument, I'm so sick of seeing it. If that's your logic, why outlaw anything? "There's no point in outlawing robbery, criminals will rob people no matter how illegal it is. They don't care about laws, so you may as well keep it legal so that good-willed vigilantes can then rob the robbers." "Why bother banning black market F-16 sales? If a street gang wants to get their hands on a fighter jet, they'll find a way." "You may as well not bother putting a lock on your door - if a criminal wants to get in your house, they'll get into your house." Yes, it's true that you will never completely stop gun crime. Even the nations with the strictest gun control measures in the world still have gun crime. Some criminals are just that industrious. But not all of them, and that's the point. The objective isn't to prevent gun crime altogether, it's to reduce it, and just about every metric shows that tighter gun controls have that effect. Will the well-connected mafiosos and narco gangs still get guns? Yeah, probably - some of them have gotten a hold of fucking submarines, so guns are probably not beyond their reach. But what about the fuck-up cooking low quality meth in his trailer? You think he's going to be able to navigate the intricacies (and pay the expenses) of a black market to get a gun? What about the wife-beater who is an otherwise law-abiding citizen but starts waving a handgun around whenever he gets drunk? You think he's going to risk prison on something he doesn't even need? Hell, what about the fucking asshole who started this whole discussion by shooting up a music show in Vegas? By all accounts this guy was not a career criminal - for reasons as of yet undetermined, he just walked into a gun store, bought himself a fucking armoury, then holed up in a hotel and used it. Gun control might not have completely prevented the crime from happening, but you can't tell me that the body count would have been nearly as high if you made it illegal to acquire the sort of high-power weaponry he's packing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 10/02/17 6:03:13 PM #27:	Our murder rate doesn't deviate wildly from other nations that have given/had taken their rights away. People will fight gun, knife, tooth and nail, but the solution to violent crime isn't going to be mandatory muzzles and oven mitts. <cite>dedbus posted [p:887687499] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Our murder rate doesn't deviate wildly from other nations that have given/had taken their rights away. People will fight gun, knife, tooth and nail, but the solution to violent crime isn't going to be mandatory muzzles and oven mitts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/02/17 6:28:04 PM #28:	dedbus posted... Our murder rate doesn't deviate wildly from other nations that have given/had taken their rights away. Erm.... yes, it does. The US has a murder rate of 4.88 per 100,000, which is the highest rate in the developed world by a wide, wide margin. It's comparable to Somalia (5.56) or Rwanda (4.51). Contrast that to some of the US's contemporaries: Canada (1.68) Finland (1.60) France (1.58) Israel (1.36) Sweden (1.15) Australia (0.98) United Kingdom (0.92) New Zealand (0.91) Greece (0.85) Italy (0.78) Spain (0.66) Norway (0.56) Austria (0.51) Japan (0.31). There was a study done a couple years ago that I'll see if I can dig up after work. It found that in a study of 20 developed, first-world nations, the US ranked dead last (or first, I guess, depending on how you want to phrase it) in violent crime. Someone in the US was 7x more likely to be murdered than the study's average, and 20x more likely to be killed with a firearm. The US has a problem. It's lunacy not to admit it. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:887688882] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>dedbus posted...</cite> <quote>Our murder rate doesn't deviate wildly from other nations that have given/had taken their rights away. </quote> Erm.... yes, it does. The US has a murder rate of 4.88 per 100,000, which is the highest rate in the developed world by a wide, wide margin. It's comparable to Somalia (5.56) or Rwanda (4.51). Contrast that to some of the US's contemporaries: Canada (1.68) Finland (1.60) France (1.58) Israel (1.36) Sweden (1.15) Australia (0.98) United Kingdom (0.92) New Zealand (0.91) Greece (0.85) Italy (0.78) Spain (0.66) Norway (0.56) Austria (0.51) Japan (0.31). There was a study done a couple years ago that I'll see if I can dig up after work. It found that in a study of 20 developed, first-world nations, the US ranked dead last (or first, I guess, depending on how you want to phrase it) in violent crime. Someone in the US was 7x more likely to be murdered than the study's average, and 20x more likely to be killed with a firearm. The US has a problem. It's lunacy not to admit it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 10/02/17 7:50:46 PM #30:	Peterass posted... Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless. Then we can arrest them when they have possession of guns illegally rather than... wait til they kill everyone. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887693375] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Criminals that want to use guns will obtain them regardless.</quote> Then we can arrest them when they have possession of guns illegally rather than... wait til they kill everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 10/02/17 7:53:00 PM #31:	Nope, in fact there's nothing you can do to prevent a shooter with no political, religious agenda, or nothing else for the matter. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:887693499] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Nope, in fact there's nothing you can do to prevent a shooter with no political, religious agenda, or nothing else for the matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 10/02/17 7:59:22 PM #32:	Yes, anyone denying is humming when hearing the statistics, ok? --- http://i.imgur.com/qL0DHFI.gif http://i.imgur.com/JL9rRLt.gif https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:887693837] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Yes, anyone denying is humming when hearing the statistics, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 10/02/17 8:05:32 PM #33:	TigerTycoon posted... You think someone who commits suicide after breaking the law is afraid if the consequences of breaking the law? Besides, the end result of all proposed gun laws even completely enforceable through magic isn't "nobody has guns", it's "the government and criminals have all the guns" since the government which enforces the law will never give up the guns themselves, and criminals don't care about breaking the law. fixed --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:887694226] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>You think someone who commits suicide after breaking the law is afraid if the consequences of breaking the law? Besides, the end result of all proposed gun laws even completely enforceable through magic isn't "nobody has guns", it's "the government and criminals have all the guns" since the government which enforces the law will never give up the guns themselves, and criminals don't care about breaking the law.</quote> fixed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 10/02/17 8:08:46 PM #34:	No, liberals need to stop using tragedies to push their anti 2nd amendment agenda, it's disgraceful --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:887694405] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>No, liberals need to stop using tragedies to push their anti 2nd amendment agenda, it's disgraceful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChimeraBlue 10/02/17 9:00:58 PM #35:	Obviously, yes. <cite>ChimeraBlue posted [p:887697440] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>Obviously, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 10/02/17 9:06:47 PM #36:	It can't do any harm. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:887697779] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>It can't do any harm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 10/02/17 9:09:43 PM #37:	wwinterj25 posted... It can't do any harm. someone not having a gun while a criminal has a gun... clearly harm can be done --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:887697939] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>It can't do any harm.</quote> someone not having a gun while a criminal has a gun... clearly harm can be done</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 10/02/17 9:11:51 PM #38:	Krazy_Kirby posted... someone not having a gun while a criminal has a gun... clearly harm can be done In that case best carry every available weapon with you just incase a criminal has one. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:887698056] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote>someone not having a gun while a criminal has a gun... clearly harm can be done</quote> In that case best carry every available weapon with you just incase a criminal has one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
impatientperson 10/02/17 9:13:17 PM #39:	Muscles posted... No, liberals need to stop using tragedies to push their anti 2nd amendment agenda, it's disgraceful No, conservatives need to stop using this argument to avoid talking about it, it's underhanded. It only makes sense that this comes up when there's a mass shooting. Especially when they happen as often as they do. Yes, it's a tragedy, and it's very sad but we have to work toward preventing this from happening over and over and over. It's unfortunate that we live in a place that this happens so frequently. And unfortunately politics is an important part of the discussion. It's just a way to hide out until the commotion dies down and then the NRA can go back to buying out half our government. --- This user is awesome!: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/user.php?board=804141&topic=12351915135 <cite>impatientperson posted [p:887698151] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>No, liberals need to stop using tragedies to push their anti 2nd amendment agenda, it's disgraceful</quote> No, conservatives need to stop using this argument to avoid talking about it, it's underhanded. It only makes sense that this comes up when there's a mass shooting. Especially when they happen as often as they do. Yes, it's a tragedy, and it's very sad but we have to work toward preventing this from happening over and over and over. It's unfortunate that we live in a place that this happens so frequently. And unfortunately politics is an important part of the discussion. It's just a way to hide out until the commotion dies down and then the NRA can go back to buying out half our government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 10/02/17 9:52:41 PM #40:	darkknight109 posted... The US has a problem. It's lunacy not to admit it. it does, but nobody wants to look at the actual problem, which resides in inner city ghettoes. were it not for those, the us would have a violent crime rate comparable to most of the countries you listed. <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:887700468] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>The US has a problem. It's lunacy not to admit it.</quote> it does, but nobody wants to look at the actual problem, which resides in inner city ghettoes. were it not for those, the us would have a violent crime rate comparable to most of the countries you listed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GhostGiblet 10/02/17 10:05:00 PM #41:	KaptainKiro posted... darkknight109 posted... The US has a problem. It's lunacy not to admit it. it does, but nobody wants to look at the actual problem, which resides in inner city ghettoes. were it not for those, the us would have a violent crime rate comparable to most of the countries you listed. This guy come from a ghetto? Or the Columbine shooters or the Sandy Hook shooter? --- The wannabe artist formerly known as Snoopydance <cite>GhostGiblet posted [p:887701173] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>The US has a problem. It's lunacy not to admit it.</quote> it does, but nobody wants to look at the actual problem, which resides in inner city ghettoes. were it not for those, the us would have a violent crime rate comparable to most of the countries you listed.</quote> This guy come from a ghetto? Or the Columbine shooters or the Sandy Hook shooter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 10/02/17 10:21:42 PM #42:	GhostGiblet posted... This guy come from a ghetto? Or the Columbine shooters or the Sandy Hook shooter? all of those guys combined are literally a drop in the bucket compared to inner city gang violence <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:887702191] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>GhostGiblet posted...</cite> <quote>This guy come from a ghetto? Or the Columbine shooters or the Sandy Hook shooter?</quote> all of those guys combined are literally a drop in the bucket compared to inner city gang violence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/02/17 10:29:17 PM #43:	we just need to actually enforce and follow through on what we already have. maybe close up any existing loopholes (knew a felon that has possession of guns because on paper they belonged to the person he lived with, thank god his stint in prison apparently taught him his lesson on actually doing criminal things aside from possessing guns illegally) I could perhaps live with becoming stricter on the private sell of firearms, though not liking making that a law would actually stop it. but if this is about the vegas attack, I haven't read any articles yet on it, but I heard dude used a fully auto weapon? wouldn't that already be illegal, so more gun control wouldn't have exactly stopped it. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:887702662] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>we just need to actually enforce and follow through on what we already have. maybe close up any existing loopholes (knew a felon that has possession of guns because on paper they belonged to the person he lived with, thank god his stint in prison apparently taught him his lesson on actually doing criminal things aside from possessing guns illegally) I could perhaps live with becoming stricter on the private sell of firearms, though not liking making that a law would actually stop it. but if this is about the vegas attack, I haven't read any articles yet on it, but I heard dude used a fully auto weapon? wouldn't that already be illegal, so more gun control wouldn't have exactly stopped it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SushiSquid 10/02/17 11:04:01 PM #44:	mooreandrew58 posted... but if this is about the vegas attack, I haven't read any articles yet on it, but I heard dude used a fully auto weapon? wouldn't that already be illegal, so more gun control wouldn't have exactly stopped it. I can go buy a full-auto conversion kit right now and no one will stop me. I can buy a bump fire stock. I can purchase dozens of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition and in many states, no one will check more than my age. We've made the possession and proliferation of firearms extremely easy. These are tools like any other, but they're tools with the sole purpose being to kill. It's absurd that as technology has changed, our laws haven't caught up, in this and in many other ways. <cite>SushiSquid posted [p:887704557] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>but if this is about the vegas attack, I haven't read any articles yet on it, but I heard dude used a fully auto weapon? wouldn't that already be illegal, so more gun control wouldn't have exactly stopped it.</quote> I can go buy a full-auto conversion kit right now and no one will stop me. I can buy a bump fire stock. I can purchase dozens of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition and in many states, no one will check more than my age. We've made the possession and proliferation of firearms extremely easy. These are tools like any other, but they're tools with the sole purpose being to kill. It's absurd that as technology has changed, our laws haven't caught up, in this and in many other ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/02/17 11:06:14 PM #45:	SushiSquid posted... mooreandrew58 posted... but if this is about the vegas attack, I haven't read any articles yet on it, but I heard dude used a fully auto weapon? wouldn't that already be illegal, so more gun control wouldn't have exactly stopped it. I can go buy a full-auto conversion kit right now and no one will stop me. I can buy a bump fire stock. I can purchase dozens of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition and in many states, no one will check more than my age. We've made the possession and proliferation of firearms extremely easy. These are tools like any other, but they're tools with the sole purpose being to kill. It's absurd that as technology has changed, our laws haven't caught up, in this and in many other ways. my point is it being illegal already, so stricter laws wouldn't be the answer. not on the citizens anyways, stricter laws on the places that make and sell these things maybe. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:887704700] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>SushiSquid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>but if this is about the vegas attack, I haven't read any articles yet on it, but I heard dude used a fully auto weapon? wouldn't that already be illegal, so more gun control wouldn't have exactly stopped it.</quote> I can go buy a full-auto conversion kit right now and no one will stop me. I can buy a bump fire stock. I can purchase dozens of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition and in many states, no one will check more than my age. We've made the possession and proliferation of firearms extremely easy. These are tools like any other, but they're tools with the sole purpose being to kill. It's absurd that as technology has changed, our laws haven't caught up, in this and in many other ways.</quote> my point is it being illegal already, so stricter laws wouldn't be the answer. not on the citizens anyways, stricter laws on the places that make and sell these things maybe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SushiSquid 10/02/17 11:09:49 PM #46:	How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology. <cite>SushiSquid posted [p:887704897] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote>How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/02/17 11:14:32 PM #47:	SushiSquid posted... How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology. yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:887705151] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>SushiSquid posted...</cite> <quote>How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology.</quote> yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 10/02/17 11:15:49 PM #48:	mooreandrew58 posted... SushiSquid posted... How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology. yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it. So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy. --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:887705212] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SushiSquid posted...</cite> <quote>How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology.</quote> yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it.</quote> So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/02/17 11:20:58 PM #49:	XlaxJynx007 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... SushiSquid posted... How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology. yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it. So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy. as far as full auto conversion kits, they shouldn't make them, not for public sell at the very least. and no its not bullshit, i've watched a documentary before on how this guy was stealing shit loads of military equipment to use as payment for large amounts of drugs. not all of it was guns granted, but my point stands, I feel military bases are way too lax on their security. and fuck the checking weapons out part, all it takes is a guy on duty for that, to not take his job seriously and you could steal them from under his nose. i've actually been in said room where they issue out the guns. so yeah stealing them wouldn't be a easy task, but I wouldn't say its impossible by any means. and thats part of my problem with their security measures, me as a citizen non military person, should not have even been allowed in that room. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:887705491] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SushiSquid posted...</cite> <quote>How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology.</quote> yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it.</quote> So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy.</quote> as far as full auto conversion kits, they shouldn't make them, not for public sell at the very least. and no its not bullshit, i've watched a documentary before on how this guy was stealing shit loads of military equipment to use as payment for large amounts of drugs. not all of it was guns granted, but my point stands, I feel military bases are way too lax on their security. and fuck the checking weapons out part, all it takes is a guy on duty for that, to not take his job seriously and you could steal them from under his nose. i've actually been in said room where they issue out the guns. so yeah stealing them wouldn't be a easy task, but I wouldn't say its impossible by any means. and thats part of my problem with their security measures, me as a citizen non military person, should not have even been allowed in that room.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 10/02/17 11:26:54 PM #50:	mooreandrew58 posted... XlaxJynx007 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... SushiSquid posted... How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology. yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it. So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy. as far as full auto conversion kits, they shouldn't make them, not for public sell at the very least. and no its not bullshit, i've watched a documentary before on how this guy was stealing shit loads of military equipment to use as payment for large amounts of drugs. not all of it was guns granted, but my point stands, I feel military bases are way too lax on their security. and fuck the checking weapons out part, all it takes is a guy on duty for that, to not take his job seriously and you could steal them from under his nose. i've actually been in said room where they issue out the guns. so yeah stealing them wouldn't be a easy task, but I wouldn't say its impossible by any means. Full auto kits are illegal as shit. There have been no full auto guns for civilian sale since 1986, don't listen to the media's bullshit on that. Military arms rooms are secure as fuck and you can't put a weapon in your car, somebody is going to see, and unless you have ammo with you, you won't be able to use it since the ammo isn't stored there. I've been attached to the infantry for 8 years, I kinda know how it works at this point. --- XB1: MrMegaNutz Steam: Kennetic <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:887705826] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SushiSquid posted...</cite> <quote>How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology.</quote> yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it.</quote> So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy.</quote> as far as full auto conversion kits, they shouldn't make them, not for public sell at the very least. and no its not bullshit, i've watched a documentary before on how this guy was stealing shit loads of military equipment to use as payment for large amounts of drugs. not all of it was guns granted, but my point stands, I feel military bases are way too lax on their security. and fuck the checking weapons out part, all it takes is a guy on duty for that, to not take his job seriously and you could steal them from under his nose. i've actually been in said room where they issue out the guns. so yeah stealing them wouldn't be a easy task, but I wouldn't say its impossible by any means.</quote> Full auto kits are illegal as shit. There have been no full auto guns for civilian sale since 1986, don't listen to the media's bullshit on that. Military arms rooms are secure as fuck and you can't put a weapon in your car, somebody is going to see, and unless you have ammo with you, you won't be able to use it since the ammo isn't stored there. I've been attached to the infantry for 8 years, I kinda know how it works at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/02/17 11:29:58 PM #51:	XlaxJynx007 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... XlaxJynx007 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... SushiSquid posted... How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology. yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it. So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy. as far as full auto conversion kits, they shouldn't make them, not for public sell at the very least. and no its not bullshit, i've watched a documentary before on how this guy was stealing shit loads of military equipment to use as payment for large amounts of drugs. not all of it was guns granted, but my point stands, I feel military bases are way too lax on their security. and fuck the checking weapons out part, all it takes is a guy on duty for that, to not take his job seriously and you could steal them from under his nose. i've actually been in said room where they issue out the guns. so yeah stealing them wouldn't be a easy task, but I wouldn't say its impossible by any means. Full auto kits are illegal as shit. There have been no full auto guns for civilian sale since 1986, don't listen to the media's bullshit on that. Military arms rooms are secure as fuck and you can't put a weapon in your car, somebody is going to see, and unless you have ammo with you, you won't be able to use it since the ammo isn't stored there. I've been attached to the infantry for 8 years, I kinda know how it works at this point. so how did that guy I talked about in said documentary manage it? all it takes is being the right person, knowing the right people, having the keys etc etc. I still don't think I as a citizen should have been allowed to go into that room, would have been nothing for me to snatch a gun and shoot someone as I was in their as they where handing them out. just handguns sure, but I still could have, fortunately I value my life --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:887705948] in Does the U... [t:75836971]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SushiSquid posted...</cite> <quote>How do you mean stricter? Stopping people from having these things and effectively enforcing those rules? That works great. Increasing enforcement of existing rules? Also works. Increasing penalties for existing crimes? Never works with any crime. If you mean the first two, then stricter absolutely works. This is basic criminology.</quote> yeah thats what I meant, i've taken criminology thank you, though my memory is rusty on it. but they need to crack down on those who make them more so than the citizens themselves, because if they are made people will find a way to obtain them legally or illegally. also military really needs to be stricter on their shit, i've been on and off military bases plenty of times, you might get checked coming onto the base but they never and I mean never check you leaving. so if you are stealing military shit, its too damn easy to drive it right off the base once you are in possession of it.</quote> So what do you want the manufacturers to do? Also your last point is complete bullshit, they know who signs out a weapon and will hunt you down the moment they think something's fishy.</quote> as far as full auto conversion kits, they shouldn't make them, not for public sell at the very least. and no its not bullshit, i've watched a documentary before on how this guy was stealing shit loads of military equipment to use as payment for large amounts of drugs. not all of it was guns granted, but my point stands, I feel military bases are way too lax on their security. and fuck the checking weapons out part, all it takes is a guy on duty for that, to not take his job seriously and you could steal them from under his nose. i've actually been in said room where they issue out the guns. so yeah stealing them wouldn't be a easy task, but I wouldn't say its impossible by any means.</quote> Full auto kits are illegal as shit. There have been no full auto guns for civilian sale since 1986, don't listen to the media's bullshit on that. Military arms rooms are secure as fuck and you can't put a weapon in your car, somebody is going to see, and unless you have ammo with you, you won't be able to use it since the ammo isn't stored there. I've been attached to the infantry for 8 years, I kinda know how it works at this point.</quote> so how did that guy I talked about in said documentary manage it? all it takes is being the right person, knowing the right people, having the keys etc etc. I still don't think I as a citizen should have been allowed to go into that room, would have been nothing for me to snatch a gun and shoot someone as I was in their as they where handing them out. just handguns sure, but I still could have, fortunately I value my life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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