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FrisbeeDude
10/03/17 5:08:57 PM
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Ta-Nahisi Coates dropping yet another gem

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/colin-kaepernick/541845/

One common response to the national anthem protests originated by Colin Kaepernick is to disparage them as polarizing. Joe Scarborough, host of Morning Joe, summed up this particular critique in a tweet last weekend:

"This may be unpopular but it is a political reality:

Every NFL player refusing to stand for the national anthem helps Trump politically."

The idea here is that kneeling NFL players are committing an act of such blatant disrespect that they hand Trump an easy image with which to demagogue. Often attendant to the idea that protesting players are shooting themselves in the foot is the notion that in some other era, black protest proved to be a unifying force that altered the psychology of some critical mass of open-minded whites.

David Leonhardt offers a version of this in Mondays New York Times:

"In one of his first prominent speeches, during the 1955 Montgomery bus boycott, Martin Luther King Jr. spoke of the glory of America, with all its faults. At the March on Washington, King described not just a dream but a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. Before finishing, he recited the first seven lines of My Country, Tis of Thee, ending with Let freedom ring!

A year-and-a-half later, marchers from Selma to Montgomery carried American flags. Segregationist hecklers along the route held up Confederate flags. Within six months, Lyndon Johnson had signed the Voting Rights Act.'

Leonhardt goes on to contrast this species of activism, which aligned the civil-rights movement with the symbols and ideals of America, with kneeling during the national anthem, which presumably signals opposition to those same symbols. Leonhardt is sympathetic to the aims of Kaepernicks protest but he contrasts this angry approach with the smart approach of the civil-rights movement.


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FrisbeeDude
10/03/17 5:10:07 PM
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Theres a lot of ground covered in this column, and not all of it thoroughly. Leonhardts rendering of the civil-rights movement, for instance, implies a kind of direct and seamless chain of events, from the March on Washingtons invocation of American ideals, to growing white support, to the passage of the Civil Rights Act. This elides self-interested motives for civil-rights reformthe influence of the Cold War, the threat of urban rebellionin favor of warm and fuzzy ones.

The trajectory of Leonhardts argument is doomed by the defective pad from which it was launched. The problem here is not just a just-so chain of events, but the actual effects of the events. Implicit in Leonhardts critique is the idea that Martin Luther King and other civil-rights pioneers, and their protests, were better able to appeal to the hearts of white Americans than Kaepernick and his allies. Leonhardt cites a Yougov poll showing that only 36 percent consider the kneeling protest to be appropriate. This might be damning if not for the fact that the very civil-rights movement Leonhardt cites was generally thought to be equally, if not more, inappropriate.

As The Washington Post noted last year, only 22 percent of all Americans approved of the Freedom Rides, and only 28 percent approved of the sit-ins. The vast majority of Americans60 percenthad unfavorable feelings about the March on Washington. As FiveThirtyEight notes, in 1966, 63 percent of Americans had a negative opinion of Martin Luther King. The popular hostility toward King extended to the very government he tried to embraceKing was bugged and harassed by the FBI until the end of his life. His assassination sprang from the deep hostility with which he was viewed, not by a fringe radical minority, but by the majority of the American citizenry.

That the civil-rights movement was unpopular is not shocking to the activists who protested at the time. When Im told by people, Thank you for what you did, I almost want to look around and see who theyre talking to, Dorie Ladner told the Post. The paper quotes Julian Bond satirizing the kind of history Leonhardts argument is premisedRosa sat down, Martin stood up and then the white folks saw the light and saved the day.

Leonhardt is a smart and knowledgeable columnist. It is thus surprising to see him embrace a mythical rendition of the civil-rights movement that runs counter to the the facts and figures of the time. But Leonhardts column seems less interested in offering an accurate apprehension of the civil-rights movement than in employing the civil-rights movement as a club against radicalism in general, and the Bernie Sanders-wing of the left in particular:

"Getting smart means nominating progressive candidates who can win, even if they arent progressive on every issue. Getting smart means delaying internal fights (like single-payer health care) and unifying against Trumps agenda (as Democrats in Congress have). Getting smart means understanding, as civil-rights leaders did, that American symbols are a worthy ally."

Reading this you would think Blanche Lincoln was primaried, that Alison Lundergan Grimes was done in by her implacable leftist fanaticism, that Evan Bayh never ran in 2016, that Bob Casey wasnt pro-life, that Joe Manchin wasnt a senator. But more, you'd think that smart necessarily equated with centrist. In fact, the very history Leonhardt summons says the opposite.


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FrisbeeDude
10/03/17 5:10:42 PM
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Whatever symbols they embraced, civil-rights activistsmuch like black activists todaynever successfully connected with the hearts of the majority of adults of their own day. The process was neither neat nor particular unifying. In fact, it destroyed the Democratic Party of Roosevelt and Truman. But the activists did sketch a theater of violence, with men like Bull Connor in starring roles, that shamed and embarrassed the country. And aided by an intemperate radicalism within and the Cold War threat without, the activists were able to use that shame to affect meaningful change.

Perhaps most importantly they affected the attitudes of the children of those white Americans who scorned them. This points to the true target, in terms of white people, of Kaepernicks protest. The point is not to convince people who boo even when a team kneels before the anthem is sung. The point is to reach the children of those people. The point is the future.

Kaepernick did not inaugurate his protest in hopes of helping elect more centrist Democrats, or any kind of Democrat. That said, he was not immune to compromise. When his initial efforts were met with disdain and deemed disrespectful, he actually consulted a group of veterans to see how he might better pursue a protest. That is the origin of Kaepernick kneeling, and the fact that it too has been met with scoffs points to deeper problem. If young people attempting to board a bus are unacceptable, if gathering on the National Mall is verboten, if preaching nonviolence gets you harassed by your own government and then killed, if a protest founded in consultation with military veterans is offensive, then what specific manner of protest is white America willing to endure?

Its almost as if the manner of protest isnt the real problem.

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evosthunder
10/03/17 5:11:54 PM
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Now we wait for the out-of-context MLK quote.
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lilORANG
10/03/17 5:13:28 PM
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Seneca_Wallace_
10/03/17 5:13:47 PM
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Hard for me to care when I know that most african americans wouldn't give a shit if the situation was reversed and they were on top.

Sorry, the truth hurts. The problem isn't white people, the problem is human nature and the need for the majority, whatever it is, to shit on the minority, and that will just never change.
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UncleBourbon33
10/03/17 5:14:42 PM
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lol if you think this is a civil rights protest.
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iPhone_7
10/03/17 5:17:32 PM
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MLK hated gay people or something
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Freddie_Mercury
10/03/17 5:19:09 PM
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Seneca_Wallace_ posted...
Hard for me to care when I know that most african americans wouldn't give a shit if the situation was reversed and they were on top.

Sorry, the truth hurts. The problem isn't white people, the problem is human nature and the need for the majority, whatever it is, to shit on the minority, and that will just never change.



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Twin3Turbo
10/03/17 5:22:34 PM
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Seneca_Wallace_ posted...
Hard for me to care when I know that most african americans wouldn't give a shit if the situation was reversed and they were on top.

Sorry, the truth hurts. The problem isn't white people, the problem is human nature and the need for the majority, whatever it is, to shit on the minority, and that will just never change.

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/03/17 5:22:36 PM
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Seneca_Wallace_ posted...
Hard for me to care when I know that most african americans wouldn't give a shit if the situation was reversed and they were on top.

Sorry, the truth hurts. The problem isn't white people, the problem is human nature and the need for the majority, whatever it is, to shit on the minority, and that will just never change.


not everybody is as terrible as you. don't talk to people as if everybody feels like you.
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The Admiral
10/03/17 5:22:43 PM
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If you don't want to get when you see you don't or , you simply and .

Problem solved.
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hollow_shrine
10/03/17 5:35:16 PM
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I know this tea is just too hot for some of y'all, but I love that there are still people with the endurance keep exposing the emptiness of anti-protest rhetoric, and respectability politics.
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FrisbeeDude
10/03/17 5:36:14 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
I know this tea is just too hot for some of y'all, but I love that there are still people with the endurance keep exposing the emptiness of anti-protest rhetoric, and respectability politics.


Can't stop, wont stop
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Zodd3224
10/03/17 5:39:23 PM
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The Admiral posted...
If you don't want to get when you see you don't or , you simply and .

Problem solved.


This was pretty well done
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Romulox28
10/03/17 5:40:50 PM
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The Admiral posted...
If you don't want to get when you see you don't or , you simply and .

Problem solved.


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Samurontai
10/03/17 5:41:53 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
The Admiral posted...
If you don't want to get when you see you don't or , you simply and .

Problem solved.


What are these hieroglyphs


He's saying Tamir Rice ran when he was being choked out by the cops

And that Philando Castile was running when he was sitting in his car and got shot by a cop that stopped him

And that one Australian(?) chick who called the police because someone was being sexually assaulted, and was shot by the cops who responded was also running
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/03/17 5:42:17 PM
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cops don't hurt people using jazz hands. good info to have.
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Blue_Inigo
10/03/17 5:42:54 PM
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Seneca_Wallace_ posted...
Hard for me to care when I know that most african americans wouldn't give a shit if the situation was reversed and they were on top.

Sorry, the truth hurts. The problem isn't white people, the problem is human nature and the need for the majority, whatever it is, to shit on the minority, and that will just never change.


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emblem boy
10/03/17 5:46:18 PM
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The Admiral
10/03/17 5:48:15 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
cops don't hurt people using jazz hands. good info to have.


Guessing that's another Apple thing

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