Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 139: The Price for Tickets is $400,000

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Jakyl25 posted...

A lot of these legal issues that seemingly unfairly benefit women that MRA's complain about only exist because of the grandfathered in concept that men are superior.

Except it's not 1770 anymore and having legal hypocrisy isn't something to be proud of, no matter who it benefits.
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FFDragon posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

A lot of these legal issues that seemingly unfairly benefit women that MRA's complain about only exist because of the grandfathered in concept that men are superior.

Except it's not 1770 anymore and having legal hypocrisy isn't something to be proud of, no matter who it benefits.

We shouldn't be proud of it.

But it's a prime example of systemic sexism that takes a lot of effort to change

And change is happening slowly. More fathers are winning custody battles, and more ex-husbands are getting alimony from their breadwinner ex-wives than in previous decades.

But still the social stigma lingers. Men don't come forward about rape or assault by women because our culture has deemed that to be emasculating. Many men would be embarrassed to be supported in divorce by their ex.

We need to change these ideas of what it means to be masculine, and that has to be done from within by us men.
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Or we can just accept that men and women are not inherently "equal" in a number of societal measures and should not be legally treated as such
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So then you're fine with those legal inequalities persisting with regard to rape and divorce?
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Jakyl25 posted...

So then you're fine with those legal inequalities persisting with regard to rape and divorce?

Yes, of course. Just like I am fine with no forced gender redistribution in the workplace (ie, google)
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That's pretty fucked up IMO

Seph's kind of wrong
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FFDragon posted...

I've never understood how the onus is on the guy in drunk situations.

Like, yes, if a guy plies a girl into unconsciousness with liquor and then has sex with her, that is rape.

But if both the guy and the girl are four drinks in and both decide to have sex, how is that still rape?

Actually it tends to be the person who initiates the sex. And men just happen to be the ones that initiate more often. Of course this is also reinforced by the two stereotypes of men and women: That men are naturally aggressors, and that women are weak and unable to hold their alcohol.

If a Drunk woman initiates unwanted sex against a man who is unable to consent, she's just as guilty of rape as a drunk man who initiates unwanted sex against a woman who is unable to consent.
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Dancedreamer posted...

If a Drunk woman initiates unwanted sex against a man who is unable to consent, she's just as guilty of rape as a drunk man who initiates unwanted sex against a woman who is unable to consent.

In theory, yes

But good luck
A.) Getting that man to come forward
and
B.) Getting society to not belittle him based on the aforementioned sexual stereotypes
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A lot of women don't come forward with rape, either. There's a social stigma on both sides. Both need to be dealt with.
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Jakyl25 posted...

That's pretty fucked up IMO

Seph's kind of wrong

I wouldn't really call it "fucked up" to believe that the sexes are so biologically different that inequality is a natural state of being, and that the laws should reflect this. But to each his own!
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Mershaaay posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

That's pretty fucked up IMO

Seph's kind of wrong

I wouldn't really call it "fucked up" to believe that the sexes are so biologically different that inequality is a natural state of being, and that the laws should reflect this. But to each his own!

So you complain about stuff like the man often having to pay alimony in divorce, but then support the kind of inequality in law and society that causes it?
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I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd assume there are like almost zero news stories about female on male drunk rape.

And I don't think there is anything inherently biological that should warrant a legal double standard.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Mershaaay posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

That's pretty fucked up IMO

Seph's kind of wrong

I wouldn't really call it "fucked up" to believe that the sexes are so biologically different that inequality is a natural state of being, and that the laws should reflect this. But to each his own!

So you complain about stuff like the man often having to pay alimony in divorce, but then support the kind of inequality in law and society that causes it?

I didn't complain about it?

I just pointed out the hypocrisy of faux-egalitarian feminists
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Mershaaay posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Mershaaay posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

That's pretty fucked up IMO

Seph's kind of wrong

I wouldn't really call it "fucked up" to believe that the sexes are so biologically different that inequality is a natural state of being, and that the laws should reflect this. But to each his own!

So you complain about stuff like the man often having to pay alimony in divorce, but then support the kind of inequality in law and society that causes it?

I didn't complain about it?

I just pointed out the hypocrisy of faux-egalitarian feminists

...But you support the same thing they do, when it gets to the bottom line, so...
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StealThisSheen posted...

Mershaaay posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Mershaaay posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

That's pretty fucked up IMO

Seph's kind of wrong

I wouldn't really call it "fucked up" to believe that the sexes are so biologically different that inequality is a natural state of being, and that the laws should reflect this. But to each his own!

So you complain about stuff like the man often having to pay alimony in divorce, but then support the kind of inequality in law and society that causes it?

I didn't complain about it?

I just pointed out the hypocrisy of faux-egalitarian feminists

...But you support the same thing they do, when it gets to the bottom line, so...

No, I do not support artificial workforce reallocation in the guise of equality just as I do not support reworking divorce law and rape standards in the guise of equality.
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Mershaaay posted...

No, I do not support artificial workforce reallocation in the guise of equality just as I do not support reworking divorce law and rape standards in the guise of equality.

I'm talking about the "faux" ones you speak of that want the inequality in divorce and such
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StealThisSheen posted...

Mershaaay posted...

No, I do not support artificial workforce reallocation in the guise of equality just as I do not support reworking divorce law and rape standards in the guise of equality.

I'm talking about the "faux" ones you speak of that want the inequality in divorce and such

The hypocrisy is in wanting complete equality in all aspects of society except when that equality will take away an upper hand that women already have. I'm not sure how you're inferring my alignment with feminists from this.
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Like, I'm trying to follow you, here.

What "biological differences" should cause a man to lose more in a divorce?
What "biological differences" should cause women to make less money than men in non-manual labor jobs?
What "biological differences" say that a work place shouldn't have equality?

Is there something biological about men that makes them able to type on a keyboard better, or something that says "You're going to be the one to lose big in a divorce."
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Mershaaay posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

That's pretty fucked up IMO

Seph's kind of wrong

I wouldn't really call it "fucked up" to believe that the sexes are so biologically different that inequality is a natural state of being, and that the laws should reflect this. But to each his own!

A list of biological differences between the sexes:

1) Reproductive organs and secondary sexual characteristics
2) Men have an easier time building muscle mass

Are there any I'm leaving out that should cause the law to reflect a "natural state of being" of inequality?
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Not_an_Owl posted...

A list of biological differences between the sexes:

1) Reproductive organs and secondary sexual characteristics
2) Men have an easier time building muscle mass

3.) Women don't poop
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCtgaDNgDaU

Far left is just as bad as the Far Right and many of you exhibit the behavior they encompass.
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We all have asperger for not agreeing with you, remember

The moment you pulled that shit, you lost the right to be treated with any kind of respect whatsoever.

well that didn't last long.
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Corrik posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCtgaDNgDaU

Far left is just as bad as the Far Right and many of you exhibit the behavior they encompass.

lol
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Even equating the two is idiotic, given that one has literally killed people in the US and is in governmental positions of power.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCtgaDNgDaU

Far left is just as bad as the Far Right and many of you exhibit the behavior they encompass.

lol

For those who actually care, the video is a small group of students (I believe 5) protesting having to take the midterm and wanting it postponed or being made into a take home test due to a demonstration previously. The professor hears them out (as the students rant and tell the other students they have to shut up and must listen to them). They try pressuring the professor and even question his character. When he reaffirms the exam will be taken as scheduled, they walk out and say the people and the professor taking the tests are "White Supremacists".

This is at Cal Berkeley. OFC
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Corrik posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCtgaDNgDaU

Far left is just as bad as the Far Right and many of you exhibit the behavior they encompass.

lol

For those who actually care, the video is a small group of students (I believe 5) protesting having to take the midterm and wanting it postponed or being made into a take home test due to a demonstration previously. The professor hears them out (as the students rant and tell the other students they have to shut up and must listen to them). They try pressuring the professor and even question his character. When he reaffirms the exam will be taken as scheduled, they walk out and say the people and the professor taking the tests are "White Supremacists".

This is at Cal Berkeley. OFC

I get your point, but you probably shouldn't use this as your example for "The far left is as bad as the far right" when your example for the far left is "They walked out on an exam" and a recent example for the far right is "They ran people down with a car and killed somebody."
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCtgaDNgDaU

Far left is just as bad as the Far Right and many of you exhibit the behavior they encompass.

lol

For those who actually care, the video is a small group of students (I believe 5) protesting having to take the midterm and wanting it postponed or being made into a take home test due to a demonstration previously. The professor hears them out (as the students rant and tell the other students they have to shut up and must listen to them). They try pressuring the professor and even question his character. When he reaffirms the exam will be taken as scheduled, they walk out and say the people and the professor taking the tests are "White Supremacists".

This is at Cal Berkeley. OFC

I get your point, but you probably shouldn't use this as your example for "The far left is as bad as the far right" when your example for the far left is "They walked out on an exam" and a recent example for the far right is "They ran people down with a car and killed somebody."

That seems like cherrypicking the most extreme example versus a regular example. However, while I am not lessening the despicable action taken there, I am stating how the mindsets on both the Far Left and Far Right are so gone that they only exist for themselves and are fighting more and more to pressure the middle of the spectrum into choosing side in their efforts to continue polarizing the nation.
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I mean the issue isn't "why is the man accused of rape in a situation where both parties are black out drunk?"

It's "why doesn't the man feel that he's been raped as well in a situation where both parties are black out drunk?"

That's the Patriarchy in a nutshell, really. We tell men they're the stronger, more responsible party and then in a situation where they're just as much a victim as the woman, they opt not to claim rape because men are programmed to think any sex is good and men who get raped are wusses.
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Corrik posted...

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCtgaDNgDaU

Far left is just as bad as the Far Right and many of you exhibit the behavior they encompass.

lol

For those who actually care, the video is a small group of students (I believe 5) protesting having to take the midterm and wanting it postponed or being made into a take home test due to a demonstration previously. The professor hears them out (as the students rant and tell the other students they have to shut up and must listen to them). They try pressuring the professor and even question his character. When he reaffirms the exam will be taken as scheduled, they walk out and say the people and the professor taking the tests are "White Supremacists".

This is at Cal Berkeley. OFC

so...

lol

seriously who gives a fuck how is this at all "just as bad" as alt-right
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Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing"
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StealThisSheen posted...

Like, I'm trying to follow you, here.

What "biological differences" should cause a man to lose more in a divorce?
What "biological differences" should cause women to make less money than men in non-manual labor jobs?
What "biological differences" say that a work place shouldn't have equality?

Is there something biological about men that makes them able to type on a keyboard better, or something that says "You're going to be the one to lose big in a divorce."

Women are biologically programmed to provide for children while men are biologically programmed to provide for women. Men generally have more analytic brains than women which suit them for high-paying jobs. This isn't difficult.
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are gay men biologically programmed to provide for women
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Mershaaay posted...

Men generally have more analytic brains than women which suit them for high-paying jobs.

See, that's where I, and many others, take issue with your assessment.
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Mershaaay posted...

Men generally have more analytic brains than women which suit them for high-paying jobs.

So why does India have more women in Tech than men?
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Mershaaay posted...

men are biologically programmed to provide for women.

Yeah, okay. Tell that to the 80% of 12 million single mothers in the United States.
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Also, this extends beyond divorce law and the workplace. If a 95 pound woman punches a 200 pound man in the face, she does not deserve the same punishment that the man would receive if the roles were reversed.

Just like female-on-male "rape," you can make a philosophical argument for it, but in all practicality you'll just seem silly and socially unaware.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I mean the issue isn't "why is the man accused of rape in a situation where both parties are black out drunk?"

It's "why doesn't the man feel that he's been raped as well in a situation where both parties are black out drunk?"

That's the Patriarchy in a nutshell, really. We tell men they're the stronger, more responsible party and then in a situation where they're just as much a victim as the woman, they opt not to claim rape because men are programmed to think any sex is good and men who get raped are wusses.

if both people are the victim then shouldn't like... no one be the victim? it sounds like you're saying both people should be pressing rape charges against each other in this situation which .
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Mershaaay posted...

men are biologically programmed to provide for women.

Yeah, okay. Tell that to the 80% of 12 million single mothers in the United States.

Tell that to the laws in all 50 states that require men to pay child support
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TheRock1525 posted...

Mershaaay posted...

Men generally have more analytic brains than women which suit them for high-paying jobs.

So why does India have more women in Tech than men?

Do call center sweatshops count as "tech"?
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Mershaaay posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Mershaaay posted...

men are biologically programmed to provide for women.

Yeah, okay. Tell that to the 80% of 12 million single mothers in the United States.

Tell that to the laws in all 50 states that require men to pay child support

How do you keep using these as some kind of pushback when you are literally arguing in support of it.

Like, what's wrong with you
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I mean the issue isn't "why is the man accused of rape in a situation where both parties are black out drunk?"

It's "why doesn't the man feel that he's been raped as well in a situation where both parties are black out drunk?"

That's the Patriarchy in a nutshell, really. We tell men they're the stronger, more responsible party and then in a situation where they're just as much a victim as the woman, they opt not to claim rape because men are programmed to think any sex is good and men who get raped are wusses.

if both people are the victim then shouldn't like... no one be the victim? it sounds like you're saying both people should be pressing rape charges against each other in this situation which .

You'd file separate charges and go through the evidence to find which party is at fault, and if there's evidence for neither then the charges are dismissed for both sides.
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Mershaaay posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Mershaaay posted...

men are biologically programmed to provide for women.

Yeah, okay. Tell that to the 80% of 12 million single mothers in the United States.

Tell that to the laws in all 50 states that require men to pay child support

Oh is child support a biological imperative? Good try.
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In other news, remember when Obama freed terrorists and put soldiers in harm's way for this scumbag?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/bowe-bergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-deserting-his-post-ap.html
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StealThisSheen posted...

Mershaaay posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Mershaaay posted...

men are biologically programmed to provide for women.

Yeah, okay. Tell that to the 80% of 12 million single mothers in the United States.

Tell that to the laws in all 50 states that require men to pay child support

How do you keep using these as some kind of pushback when you are literally arguing in support of it.

Like, what's wrong with you

I'm sorry the part of your brain in charge of logical deduction cannot figure out what I am saying.

Is this your way of making me reconsider male biological imperatives?
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SgtSphynx posted...

Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing"

I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it.
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Mershaaay posted...

In other news, remember when Obama freed terrorists and put soldiers in harm's way for this scumbag?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/bowe-bergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-deserting-his-post-ap.html

It seems like he is pleading guilty to avoid the death penalty or life imprisonment

Barack Obama freed 5 Taliban terrorists to get this guy back to America and use him as a political prop
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Corrik posted...

SgtSphynx posted...

Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing"

I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it.

man this post is just as bad as nazis

I'm not saying that this post is as bad as exterminating jews, but nazis do other minor bad things too and so that's what I'm making the comparison towards
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Seph claim, exhibit a: men as a gender are inclined to provide for women.
Alternate hypothesis: Not all men are inclined to provide for women.
Seph claim, exhibit b: the laws are structured in a way so that men provide for women.
The disconnect: b does not prove a.
Seph, response: you guys are idiots for not following my argument!
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oh yeah baby give me more of those shitty pedantic arguments

you know I love it
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Mershaaay posted...

Mershaaay posted...

In other news, remember when Obama freed terrorists and put soldiers in harm's way for this scumbag?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/bowe-bergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-deserting-his-post-ap.html

It seems like he is pleading guilty to avoid the death penalty or life imprisonment

Barack Obama freed 5 Taliban terrorists to get this guy back to America and use him as a political prop

or there's still an overriding belief that we do not leave a man behind to be tortured to death by terrorists, even if he's a deserter?

also: i feel like none of us except maybe FFD get a right to judge him, since most of us have never served overseas.
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