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Corrik
10/05/17 4:28:47 PM
#101:


Jakyl25 posted...
Wait, so if we back out of this deal, what stops Iran from becoming a nuclear power?

US military
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Jakyl25
10/05/17 4:29:52 PM
#102:


LOL what? How's that working out with North Korea
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 4:32:02 PM
#103:


Nothing
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Jakyl25
10/05/17 4:33:45 PM
#104:


Also aren't the Russians and Iran super pals?
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 4:34:03 PM
#105:


I mean I guess maybe they would still abide by the deal with the other parties to gain international capital relative to the US (much like the world did with the Paris Climate Accords after the US pulled out), but it almost certainly empowers Iranian hardliners who always opposed the deal.
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Jakyl25
10/05/17 4:36:20 PM
#106:


There is no way this does anything except make America's standing on the world stage weaker

UNLESS they actually have violated the deal, in which case I retract
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Regaro
10/05/17 4:44:18 PM
#107:


Jakyl25 posted...
UNLESS they actually have violated the deal, in which case I retract

I mean sure, but let's be honest here.
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Ashethan
10/05/17 4:45:28 PM
#108:


Jakyl25 posted...
Just because Trump doesn't like it, or have they actually violated it?


Just because Obama did it.

If Obama had only made open carry a law, we'd have full gun control today.
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Corrik
10/05/17 4:56:52 PM
#109:


Jakyl25 posted...
LOL what? How's that working out with North Korea

Iran is a lot easier to handle.
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FFDragon
10/05/17 5:01:37 PM
#110:


this sure does make the US look bad
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Corrik
10/05/17 5:18:36 PM
#111:


FFDragon posted...
this sure does make the US look bad

Maybe. Probably. We also looked bad when we made the deal also tho
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Suprak the Stud
10/05/17 5:19:50 PM
#112:


The Mana Sword posted...
Honestly, seems like a play to shift the blame of the deal (one way or the other) to congress so Trump doesn't have to be held responsible for anything.

Although that might be giving too much cognitive credit. It's probably just more dismantling of anything Obama-related.


This is the impression I got too. He isn't outright scrapping so much as kicking to congress and telling them to look at it.

So regardless of what happens he can just shrug his shoulders and go "don't blame me I asked Congress to do something about it".
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 5:21:30 PM
#113:


Corrik posted...
FFDragon posted...
this sure does make the US look bad

Maybe. Probably. We also looked bad when we made the deal also tho


I strongly disagree with that, but even if you think the deal was bad the self inflicted blow to the US's credibility that will be dealt by going back on our word will far outweigh any potential downsides of staying in the deal.
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 5:22:34 PM
#114:


Suprak the Stud posted...
So regardless of what happens he can just shrug his shoulders and go "don't blame me I asked Congress to do something about it".

This is what he did with DACA and the logic is just as ridiculously wrong now as it was then.
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trdl23
10/05/17 5:37:15 PM
#115:


This Catalonia thing is really heating up...
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 5:59:52 PM
#116:


https://nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html

Absolutely disgusting. This piece of shit needs to go to jail.
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Corrik
10/05/17 6:09:46 PM
#117:


Suprak the Stud posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
Honestly, seems like a play to shift the blame of the deal (one way or the other) to congress so Trump doesn't have to be held responsible for anything.

Although that might be giving too much cognitive credit. It's probably just more dismantling of anything Obama-related.


This is the impression I got too. He isn't outright scrapping so much as kicking to congress and telling them to look at it.

So regardless of what happens he can just shrug his shoulders and go "don't blame me I asked Congress to do something about it".

I was just going by CNN's breaking headline which said "Trump to decertify Iran deal next week"
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charmander6000
10/05/17 7:12:39 PM
#118:


Jakyl25 posted...
Also aren't the Russians and Iran super pals?


No, they don't like each other either. Just because they dislike the US doesn't mean they're friends.
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 7:30:56 PM
#119:


There was some question about whether the HHS level ACA sabotage was directed by Trump or just Price. Question answered (spoilers, Trump is a piece of shit):

https://twitter.com/laurahelmuth/status/916080446643097600
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FFDragon
10/05/17 7:34:06 PM
#120:


do you think trump drops a hard r when he talks about obama in private
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Inviso
10/05/17 7:34:37 PM
#121:


FFDragon posted...
do you think trump drops a hard r when he talks about obama in private


Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he think his name is Obamar.
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FFDragon
10/05/17 7:44:04 PM
#122:


obummer
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Terastodon
10/05/17 7:56:00 PM
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 8:38:19 PM
#124:


Damning report on Milo + Brietbart, as revealed through his emails:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism
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Mr Lasastryke
10/05/17 8:39:32 PM
#125:


this is the one time i'll tolerate milo being brought up in this topic.
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 8:40:48 PM
#126:


This is maybe the most striking anecdote:

And there was no way the journalists threatened with lawsuits for calling Yiannopoulos a racist could have known about his passwords.

In an April 6 email, Allum Bokhari mentioned having had access to an account of Yiannopouloss with a password that began with the word Kristall. Kristallnacht, an infamous 1938 riot against German Jews carried out by the SA the paramilitary organization that helped Hitler rise to power is sometimes considered the beginning of the Holocaust. In a June 2016 email to an assistant, Yiannopoulos shared the password to his email, which began LongKnives1290. The Night of the Long Knives was the Nazi purge of the leadership of the SA. The purge famously included Ernst Rhm, the SAs gay leader. 1290 is the year King Edward I expelled the Jews from England.

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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 8:48:34 PM
#127:


https://twitter.com/kwelkernbc/status/916086906621956096

What the fuck is he about to do now?
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 10:17:05 PM
#128:


tl;dr thread of the Milo/Brietbart story:

https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/916064003176067072
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LordoftheMorons
10/05/17 10:20:54 PM
#129:


Also Trump accuses VA's Democratic gubernatorial candidate Ralph Northam of "fighting for the violent MS 13 killer gangs":

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/916120435762266114
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Not_an_Owl
10/05/17 10:40:51 PM
#130:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Damning report on Milo + Brietbart, as revealed through his emails:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism

I am completely unsurprised that Bannon types like a 12 year old.
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HaRRicH
10/05/17 10:58:54 PM
#131:


My refusal to ever click Breitbart links feels pretty justified right now.
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BowserCuffs
10/05/17 11:25:26 PM
#132:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Damning report on Milo + Brietbart, as revealed through his emails:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism


Wow.

We were wrong about Breitbart.

It's even more of a clusterfuck of bad ideas and evil intentions than we said it was.
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 1:31:07 AM
#133:


Really though none of this is surprising at all.

Hopefully more people can see the tech industry's issue with young angry men dipping their toes into white supremacy
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 1:34:50 AM
#134:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/kwelkernbc/status/916086906621956096

What the fuck is he about to do now?


Hopefully it was the calm before the storm of all those military people yelling at him in private about how he can't start wars on Twitter
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Paratroopa1
10/06/17 1:37:44 AM
#135:


I don't feel like anything new was learned here about Breitbart at all, so I'm confused?
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 1:48:16 AM
#136:


It's a great primer for anyone who may be ignorant of them in the future.
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red sox 777
10/06/17 1:52:09 AM
#137:


Not a great way of going about canceling the Iran deal. He should just present it to the Senate for ratification as a treaty, and when it fails, announce that from the point of view of the United States, it was never legally anything.
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 1:53:39 AM
#138:


Also it's helpful to literally have video of Milo serenading white supremacists
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HaRRicH
10/06/17 2:01:14 AM
#139:


Yeah but did he kneel though?
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XIII_rocks
10/06/17 3:55:11 AM
#140:


Not a whole lot there was surprising though I did like the part where he seemed to have some kind of journalistic integrity and said "we should pull this, it isn't true" and Bannon just went OFF on him.

Good read regardless of the fact that you kinda knew Breitbart were slime beforehand anyway
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BowserCuffs
10/06/17 4:04:35 AM
#141:


XIII_rocks posted...
Not a whole lot there was surprising though I did like the part where he seemed to have some kind of journalistic integrity and said "we should pull this, it isn't true" and Bannon just went OFF on him.

Good read regardless of the fact that you kinda knew Breitbart were slime beforehand anyway


The read almost made me feel sorry for Milo.

Almost.
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LordoftheMorons
10/06/17 4:37:05 AM
#142:


Paratroopa1 posted...
I don't feel like anything new was learned here about Breitbart at all, so I'm confused?

I guess to me it's kind of analogous to the (hopefully forthcoming) case against Trump for obstruction of justice with the Comey firing: we all know it happened (or in this case that Brietbart is deliberately peddling slightly laundered white supremacist ideology), but this is laying out the proof beyond reasonable doubt.
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XIII_rocks
10/06/17 5:13:41 AM
#143:


BowserCuffs posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Not a whole lot there was surprising though I did like the part where he seemed to have some kind of journalistic integrity and said "we should pull this, it isn't true" and Bannon just went OFF on him.

Good read regardless of the fact that you kinda knew Breitbart were slime beforehand anyway


The read almost made me feel sorry for Milo.

Almost.


I didn't feel sorry for him but it did clearly show their roles - Bannon as the truly dangerous one and Milo as an empty showman, capitalising on things for stardom.
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BowserCuffs
10/06/17 6:00:11 AM
#144:


XIII_rocks posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Not a whole lot there was surprising though I did like the part where he seemed to have some kind of journalistic integrity and said "we should pull this, it isn't true" and Bannon just went OFF on him.

Good read regardless of the fact that you kinda knew Breitbart were slime beforehand anyway


The read almost made me feel sorry for Milo.

Almost.


I didn't feel sorry for him but it did clearly show their roles - Bannon as the truly dangerous one and Milo as an empty showman, capitalising on things for stardom.


Maybe "pity" is the word I was looking for
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 8:53:33 AM
#145:


"Empty" is the perfect word to describe Milo
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 9:30:16 AM
#146:


https://twitter.com/miravylash/status/916095440273182725

If you are offended by the idea that a game is anti-Nazis, you're probably a Nazi
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Dancedreamer
10/06/17 9:35:04 AM
#147:


Why do so many of the people on the right complain about how leftists get offended by EVERYTHING, then... get offended by everything else, and say that's okay because it's actually offensive.
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Regaro
10/06/17 9:36:55 AM
#148:


Dancedreamer posted...
Why do so many of the people on the right complain about how leftists get offended by EVERYTHING, then... get offended by everything else, and say that's okay because it's actually offensive.

It's simple projection on their part, friend
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 9:40:46 AM
#149:


Dancedreamer posted...
Why do so many of the people on the right complain about how leftists get offended by EVERYTHING, then... get offended by everything else, and say that's okay because it's actually offensive.


Because much of the right are cishet white men who remember a day when they had SO much power that no one questioned whether something they were doing was offensive.

Now that we are at the point where the power dynamics have shifted even the teeeeenyest bit, they feel attacked by this sudden swarm of objection to the old norms they thrived under.
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Jakyl25
10/06/17 9:41:44 AM
#150:


I mean, 100 years ago men were offended that women thought they should have the right to vote
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