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The Great Muta 22
10/05/17 4:52:20 PM
#152:


Tezlok posted...
we can tell that WW2 was a major impact on history that shaped the world we live in today. if you prevented it, and then came back to 2017, the world you returned to would be unrecognizable. assuming you even still existed to see it


Which wouldn't guarantee that the world you come back to is a negative. And you're citing fictional stories as factual "evidence" with this idea, stop it.
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Tezlok
10/05/17 4:53:37 PM
#153:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Which wouldn't guarantee that the world you come back to is a negative. And you're citing fictional stories as factual "evidence" with this idea, stop it.


even if it's a positive, you would not exist to see it. so what's the point?

and I'm not citing the movies. just using them as an example for people who don't get it to understand. the only reason it happens in movies is cause it's common sense.
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Kineth
10/05/17 4:53:54 PM
#154:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Tezlok posted...
we can tell that WW2 was a major impact on history that shaped the world we live in today. if you prevented it, and then came back to 2017, the world you returned to would be unrecognizable. assuming you even still existed to see it


Which wouldn't guarantee that the world you come back to is a negative. And you're citing fictional stories as factual "evidence" with this idea, stop it.

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MabusIncarnate
10/05/17 4:54:18 PM
#155:


Tezlok posted...
MabusIncarnate posted...
I can't wrap my head around being the deciding factor knowing that many people would be tortured and murdered. I get it entirely, and who knows what happens beyond that moment in history if Hitler never existed, but to prevent the holocaust from happening? I couldn't live with myself.

way more people would never exist. in saving 6 million people, you erase 6 billion from existence. including yourself. the odds of you surviving the history change are astronomical so it's best to just assume you won't. this is why time travel is dangerous. people don't realize what they are doing when they try to change history. in almost every time travel story ever written, the main character changes something thinking they are doing good, and they only make it worse. you are not supposed to mess with the past.

But that's fiction and theory, which I understand but not sure I necessarily entirely agree with. There's really no basis because time travel doesn't exist, much like the scenario in this thread.
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Kineth
10/05/17 4:54:18 PM
#156:


Tezlok posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Which wouldn't guarantee that the world you come back to is a negative. And you're citing fictional stories as factual "evidence" with this idea, stop it.


even if it's a positive, you would not exist to see it. so what's the point?


jfc, shut up you narcissist.
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Tezlok
10/05/17 4:54:33 PM
#157:


also would you be willing to live in a 2017 that only has 1970's technology? even if it's a nice world, it would be low tech. you wouldn't have the internet or playstation when you got back home
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Tezlok
10/05/17 4:55:32 PM
#158:


Kineth posted...
jfc, shut up you narcissist.

this is hilarious. I'm the one trying to save 6 billion people from being erased, and you call me the narcissist. your the one who wants to kill 6 billion people just so you can feel like a hero.
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mortimerjames
10/05/17 4:56:46 PM
#159:


Kineth posted...
There's nothing that supports this claim or at the very least, it's not a f***ing given. Quit pretending like it is.

yes people are forgetting there is also the chance that things get better minus Hilter

but of course the only guarantee is something would change
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Tezlok
10/05/17 4:59:08 PM
#160:


mortimerjames posted...
Kineth posted...
There's nothing that supports this claim or at the very least, it's not a f***ing given. Quit pretending like it is.

yes people are forgetting there is also the chance that things get better minus Hilter

but of course the only guarantee is something would change


I am not forgetting that it might be a better world. but it still will erase countless lives. so it's evil

my focus is on the change of who is born. I am not saying it's conclusion that it would be a worse world. this is 100% just about the fact that 6 billion people will never be born
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hollow_shrine
10/05/17 4:59:12 PM
#161:


If we don't learn the lessons we learned from the aftermath of WWII, when will we learn them and more terrifyingly, how? How do you control for eighty years of human history to achieve a good result? If then we must make a decision, shouldn't we make the decision that carries the least amount of risk?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/05/17 5:01:40 PM
#162:


Seneca_Wallace_ posted...
I thought pro-abortion libs on here were fine with people never being born?


As a comparsion, stupid. As a joke, amusing.
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Kim Kusanagi
10/05/17 5:30:20 PM
#163:


Foppe posted...
If we prevent Hitler from being born...
...then we wouldnt have had the technology jump we had, and everything would be different.
Trump might not even be born, and if he was then he would be raised different and be a different person in a more lowtech world.


The tech jump is not a valid argument. Your life would be different but not necessarily worse.
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DreadedWave
10/05/17 5:34:37 PM
#164:


What if killing Hitler results in a more intelligent dictator that actually maintains the Molotov Ribbentrop pact but still enacts the Final Solution?

The problem with killing Hitler is that your inviting far as many negative possibilities as you are positive ones. Of course this is all silly speculation regardless.
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Blue_Inigo
10/05/17 5:36:04 PM
#165:


YookaLaylee posted...
Why the fuck did anyone choose Trump over fucking Hitler?

It's pretty fucking obvious
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deanshow
10/05/17 5:36:28 PM
#166:


Id probably kill Gavrillo Princip thus avoiding the downward spiral this world has been on
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Tezlok
10/05/17 5:39:23 PM
#167:


Kim Kusanagi posted...
The tech jump is not a valid argument. Your life would be different but not necessarily worse.

inferior healthcare in 2017

DreadedWave posted...
What if killing Hitler results in a more intelligent dictator that actually maintains the Molotov Ribbentrop pact but still enacts the Final Solution?

this too. Hitler was actually not that smart. he was good at getting people to follow him but that's it. when it came to war strategy he sucked. one of the reasons we won was cause the enemy was led by a moron who ignored his advisors all the time. if someone more clever had been in charge, the axis may have won the war
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Bokothechoco2
10/05/17 5:39:41 PM
#169:


Stop Hitler's birth - potentially negative impact on the current state of the world + I wasn't even alive during WW2
Stop Trump from campaigning - Not really negative at all

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Tezlok
10/05/17 5:40:36 PM
#170:


Cpt_Pineapple posted...
Prevent Hitler's birth

so there aren't enough nazis to vote for Trump

Trump would not have even been born if this happens
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hollow_shrine
10/05/17 5:41:58 PM
#171:


DreadedWave posted...
What if killing Hitler results in a more intelligent dictator that actually maintains the Molotov Ribbentrop pact but still enacts the Final Solution?

The problem with killing Hitler is that your inviting far as many negative possibilities as you are positive ones. Of course this is all silly speculation regardless.

Yeah, Europe is heading towards fascism in the twenties and thirties. America courted it too. The sociopolitical climate that birthed the Third Reich is largely still present across Europe and Asia even without Hitler to ignite the kindling. Maybe someone else steps up to light the fire. Maybe those attitudes fester and carry on unchallenged for two or three generations. What does that time line look like?
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Kineth
10/05/17 5:53:25 PM
#172:


Tezlok posted...
Kineth posted...
jfc, shut up you narcissist.

this is hilarious. I'm the one trying to save 6 billion people from being erased, and you call me the narcissist.


Spoken like a true narcissist.
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Tezlok
10/05/17 5:56:18 PM
#173:


Kineth posted...
Tezlok posted...
Kineth posted...
jfc, shut up you narcissist.

this is hilarious. I'm the one trying to save 6 billion people from being erased, and you call me the narcissist.


Spoken like a true narcissist.

your just using that word as a slogan much like the nazi accusation. it has no meaning when you say it.

the fact is that if WW2 was prevented by a time traveler, not one single person alive today, that was born after the war ended, would exist. not me, not you. not your friends or family. it would all be gone. it would be a totally different world with completely different humans on it.
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Kineth
10/05/17 6:00:35 PM
#174:


No, you literally said, "I'm trying to save 6 billion people here and.." as a justification for how good of a person you are. stfu clown. For someone who whines about being called a Nazi sympathizer, you sure do go out of your way to defend Nazis pretty frequently.
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ReaperCloud
10/05/17 6:01:30 PM
#175:


Twilight Zone has taught us that nothing will change either way.
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Tezlok
10/05/17 6:17:21 PM
#176:


Kineth posted...
No, you literally said, "I'm trying to save 6 billion people here and.." as a justification for how good of a person you are. stfu clown. For someone who whines about being called a Nazi sympathizer, you sure do go out of your way to defend Nazis pretty frequently.

you've gone insane. why are you brining up that nazi shit again? cause I don't want someone to kill Hitler? you are so ignorant. and I never even claimed to be a good person. you did. I simply mocked you for calling me a narcisist. you really are worked up about this. I understand that what I am saying upsets your dreams of saving the world as a time traveling hero. but I am only trying to teach you not to destroy history.
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_Krave_
10/05/17 7:21:20 PM
#177:


scorpion41 posted...
Hitler's birth obviously. The man orchestrated the murder of 6 million innocent people in the modern age. Trump is just a dick.

Isn't there some conjecture on that number?
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Kim Kusanagi
10/05/17 7:21:31 PM
#178:


Tezlok posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
The tech jump is not a valid argument. Your life would be different but not necessarily worse.

inferior healthcare in 2017

DreadedWave posted...
What if killing Hitler results in a more intelligent dictator that actually maintains the Molotov Ribbentrop pact but still enacts the Final Solution?

this too. Hitler was actually not that smart. he was good at getting people to follow him but that's it. when it came to war strategy he sucked. one of the reasons we won was cause the enemy was led by a moron who ignored his advisors all the time. if someone more clever had been in charge, the axis may have won the war


Inferior Healthcare is a literal assumption with no basis whatsoever
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DreadedWave
10/05/17 9:12:52 PM
#179:


YookaLaylee posted...
Why the fuck did anyone choose Trump over fucking Hitler?


Wait, who said anything about fucking Hitler?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/05/17 9:24:40 PM
#180:


_Krave_ posted...

Isn't there some conjecture on that number?


I suppose that depends if you believe neo-Nazis on Youtube over the work of thousands of reputable historians.
~Six million is Jews alone btw.
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SamsungGearS2
10/05/17 9:25:38 PM
#181:


Flasbangs posted...
Neither. We can't know what would have happened instead that might have been worse.

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APM
10/05/17 9:26:10 PM
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Neither.
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_Krave_
10/05/17 10:19:16 PM
#183:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
_Krave_ posted...

Isn't there some conjecture on that number?


I suppose that depends if you believe neo-Nazis on Youtube over the work of thousands of reputable historians.
~Six million is Jews alone btw.

I'm looking and all I'm finding is that the number might be made up.
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Kim Kusanagi
10/05/17 10:47:38 PM
#184:


_Krave_ posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
_Krave_ posted...

Isn't there some conjecture on that number?


I suppose that depends if you believe neo-Nazis on Youtube over the work of thousands of reputable historians.
~Six million is Jews alone btw.

I'm looking and all I'm finding is that the number might be made up.


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Kineth
10/05/17 10:48:30 PM
#185:


Literally Holocaust skeptics on this site.
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AmonAmarth
10/05/17 10:49:49 PM
#186:


Flasbangs posted...
Neither. We can't know what would have happened instead that might have been worse.

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DreadedWave
10/05/17 10:59:35 PM
#187:


Kineth posted...
Literally Holocaust skeptics on this site.

Does that really surprise you?
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LethalAffinity
10/05/17 11:00:39 PM
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marthsheretoo
10/05/17 11:08:39 PM
#189:


The one that keeps me alive, and it isn't close.
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Zack_Attackv1
10/05/17 11:11:42 PM
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DarkChozoGhost
10/05/17 11:17:12 PM
#191:


I picked Trump because the world would be an entirely different place if you picked Hitler. None of us would ever exist, and who knows what else might have happened. Japan may have taken over all of Asia before anyone in the West went to war with them.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/05/17 11:35:27 PM
#192:


Kineth posted...
Literally Holocaust skeptics on this site.


I blame cookie monster
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Iron-Tarkus
10/06/17 12:43:33 AM
#193:


APM posted...
Neither.


SamsungGearS2 posted...
Flasbangs posted...
Neither. We can't know what would have happened instead that might have been worse.

You can't neither an either or topic.
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Jet_Enduro101
10/06/17 12:47:04 AM
#194:


Hitler not coming to power changes the entire world dynamic we have right now and very possibly prevents my existence. I would definitely just remove Trump. May seem a bit selfish, but I genuinely like existing.
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StickFigures720
10/06/17 12:47:21 AM
#195:


Morton's Fork.
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MrOnionHead
10/06/17 1:36:16 AM
#196:


Bagamak posted...
MrOnionHead posted...
No, just the one.

your not getting it. your about to change history and possibly cause 6 billion people to never be born. including yourself.

also like i said, you need to go back to WW1. your thinking too small


I am getting it. I just don't agree with you. I wouldn't be killing those people. You can't kill something that doesn't exist yet.

Also, you're = you are.
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Tmaster148
10/06/17 10:52:31 AM
#198:


JustMyOpinion posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
Anyone who votes for the Trump option is a terrible person. AFAIK, Trump has not instituted genocide.


Not everyone is voting for Trump, because they think Trump is on the same level as Hitler.

Preventing Trump from being president is a far safer choice when it comes to changing the present. Only the past 2 years would be affected and there likely wouldn't be some major change from someone getting elected president.

Removing Hitler changes the entire landscape of the WW2 era and there are a lot of unknown variables that could drastically change the present given the huge gap 80 year gap from the start of WW2.


Hypothetical changes that may be good or may be bad vs. definitely saving millions of lives. Yeah, I can totally see how that's a tough call.


You do also risk causing your parents to not meet. Being born after the events of WW2 and drastically changing the events of WW2 could cause them just to never cross paths.

If you must change the past, I would not recommend you change events before you are born.
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Heineken14
10/06/17 10:58:46 AM
#199:


JustMyOpinion posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
Anyone who votes for the Trump option is a terrible person. AFAIK, Trump has not instituted genocide.


Not everyone is voting for Trump, because they think Trump is on the same level as Hitler.

Preventing Trump from being president is a far safer choice when it comes to changing the present. Only the past 2 years would be affected and there likely wouldn't be some major change from someone getting elected president.

Removing Hitler changes the entire landscape of the WW2 era and there are a lot of unknown variables that could drastically change the present given the huge gap 80 year gap from the start of WW2.


Hypothetical changes that may be good or may be bad vs. definitely saving millions of lives. Yeah, I can totally see how that's a tough call.


Except hypothetically you could end up causing way more death and destruction than the holocaust.
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