Board 8 > Rankings from a Lurker: Danganronpa (heavy spoilers for DR, DR2, and DRV3)

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LapisLazuli 10/26/17 2:55:47 PM #201:	Nagito is a crazy person and is one note to the extreme. Yes, he's entertaining, but that fact that his most noteable moment if character development after is insanity reveal is ~~pulling a gun on Junko~~ in DR3 is a shame. There are plenty of characters that are one note that I love, but you can't compare that to an actually evolving character. Kokichi is a RIDE. Very specific goals, destroying all of his own values for his honest attempt to save as much life as possible at the cost of being loathed by everyone, remorse over his actions, small slips of sympathy, sacrificing his life for a plan to help everyone rather than a ridiculous scheme to get everyone killed. Kokichi Ouma makes Nagito Komaeda's look worse in retrospect, and it's him that pushes V3 to surpass 2 as my favorite game. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889193893] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Nagito is a crazy person and is one note to the extreme. Yes, he's entertaining, but that fact that his most noteable moment if character development after is insanity reveal is pulling a gun on Junko in DR3 is a shame. There are plenty of characters that are one note that I love, but you can't compare that to an actually evolving character. Kokichi is a RIDE. Very specific goals, destroying all of his own values for his honest attempt to save as much life as possible at the cost of being loathed by everyone, remorse over his actions, small slips of sympathy, sacrificing his life for a plan to help everyone rather than a ridiculous scheme to get everyone killed. Kokichi Ouma makes Nagito Komaeda's look worse in retrospect, and it's him that pushes V3 to surpass 2 as my favorite game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CasanovaZelos 10/26/17 3:00:46 PM #202:	colliding posted... Janus5k posted... Mac Arrowny posted... Sympathy for Kokichi always confuses me, considering that there's nothing that comes later to justify him murdering Gonta. I mean, it's not much different from Kyoko throwing Makoto under the bus in the first game. hmmm. well, I won't really touch this except to say I'm pretty sure Kyoko would've felt really bad if Makoto had actually died and despite Kokichi's "no killing policy" I don't think he actually cared about Gonta Hmm...I felt it was clear during the end of case 4 that Kokichi was actually in mourning over Gonta's death. That's pretty much the only moment I felt confident in my read of his true feelings. --- Board 8's Top 250 Games 2016 Edition: https://casanovazelos.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/b8top250/ BK_Sheikah won the guru and all he got was my lousy sig. <cite>CasanovaZelos posted [p:889194210] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>colliding posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Janus5k posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mac Arrowny posted...</cite> <quote>Sympathy for Kokichi always confuses me, considering that there's nothing that comes later to justify him murdering Gonta.</quote> I mean, it's not much different from Kyoko throwing Makoto under the bus in the first game.</quote> hmmm. well, I won't really touch this except to say I'm pretty sure Kyoko would've felt really bad if Makoto had actually died and despite Kokichi's "no killing policy" I don't think he actually cared about Gonta</quote> Hmm...I felt it was clear during the end of case 4 that Kokichi was actually in mourning over Gonta's death. That's pretty much the only moment I felt confident in my read of his true feelings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:01:06 PM #203:	CasanovaZelos posted... I think an important thing to consider about the end game characters of DRV3 is that 5 of them come to the conclusion that the best option is for everyone to die; Kokichi, meanwhile, is actively trying to break the system that is causing this. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, and Shuichi are all ready to die for this game to be over. In addition to lying, a major theme of this game is the idea of sacrifice. Kokichi, however, is using the situation to try and sacrifice himself to save the others. He's the only character beside Kaede who really seems to be fighting to save everyone else; he unfortunately has to sacrifice Gonta along the way to get a chance at his plan, but Gonta was also ready to be sacrificed. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, Shuichi, Kokichi, Ryoma, Kaede...hell, the entire cast at the end of case 2 is ready to sacrifice themselves for the "greater good." Exactly. Kokichi is a fucking winner who doesn't give up even while actively dying. Nagito is a follower who spouted off about elevating everyone to hope, but as soon as he encountered people he thought were too far into despair he gave up killed himself in an attempt to take them out with him. Ironically, Hopeboy had some weak ass hope. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889194229] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>CasanovaZelos posted...</cite> <quote>I think an important thing to consider about the end game characters of DRV3 is that 5 of them come to the conclusion that the best option is for everyone to die; Kokichi, meanwhile, is actively trying to break the system that is causing this. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, and Shuichi are all ready to die for this game to be over. In addition to lying, a major theme of this game is the idea of sacrifice. Kokichi, however, is using the situation to try and sacrifice himself to save the others. He's the only character beside Kaede who really seems to be fighting to save everyone else; he unfortunately has to sacrifice Gonta along the way to get a chance at his plan, but Gonta was also ready to be sacrificed. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, Shuichi, Kokichi, Ryoma, Kaede...hell, the entire cast at the end of case 2 is ready to sacrifice themselves for the "greater good."</quote> Exactly. Kokichi is a fucking winner who doesn't give up even while actively dying. Nagito is a follower who spouted off about elevating everyone to hope, but as soon as he encountered people he thought were too far into despair he gave up killed himself in an attempt to take them out with him. Ironically, Hopeboy had some weak ass hope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:02:38 PM #204:	colliding posted... Janus5k posted... Mac Arrowny posted... Sympathy for Kokichi always confuses me, considering that there's nothing that comes later to justify him murdering Gonta. I mean, it's not much different from Kyoko throwing Makoto under the bus in the first game. hmmm. well, I won't really touch this except to say I'm pretty sure Kyoko would've felt really bad if Makoto had actually died and despite Kokichi's "no killing policy" I don't think he actually cared about Gonta All signs point towards Kokichi's "fake" signs of remorse at the end of the trial are actually how he really feels, including him voting for himself as the culprit. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889194356] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>colliding posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Janus5k posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mac Arrowny posted...</cite> <quote>Sympathy for Kokichi always confuses me, considering that there's nothing that comes later to justify him murdering Gonta.</quote> I mean, it's not much different from Kyoko throwing Makoto under the bus in the first game.</quote> hmmm. well, I won't really touch this except to say I'm pretty sure Kyoko would've felt really bad if Makoto had actually died and despite Kokichi's "no killing policy" I don't think he actually cared about Gonta</quote> All signs point towards Kokichi's "fake" signs of remorse at the end of the trial are actually how he really feels, including him voting for himself as the culprit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 10/26/17 3:07:23 PM #205:	Hopeman had the best hope wtf All he wanted to do was kill the despair, which would also ensure hope lived It was utterly brilliant tbqh --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:889194679] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Hopeman had the best hope wtf All he wanted to do was kill the despair, which would also ensure hope lived It was utterly brilliant tbqh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:11:26 PM #206:	Nagito gave up on the Remnants while the surviving DR1 cast held onto the belief that they could he saved. Nagito's hope was twisted at best, weak at worst. You could argue that he had an unrivaled amount of hope corrupted by despair, but everything about his plan is him falling to despair himself. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889194924] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Nagito gave up on the Remnants while the surviving DR1 cast held onto the belief that they could he saved. Nagito's hope was twisted at best, weak at worst. You could argue that he had an unrivaled amount of hope corrupted by despair, but everything about his plan is him falling to despair himself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/26/17 3:12:33 PM #207:	8. Kaede Akamatsu Appears in: Danganronpa V3 Ultimate Identity: Pianist Endearing Character Trait: Loves Rube Goldberg Machines KAI-YAY-DAY, no! First time playing DRV3, I wasn't super stoked about playing as a female protagonist, but at the very least I thought it was an interesting development. I was picturing the game setting up Kaede as an Ultimate Hope and gradually breaking her case by case in an almost fetishistic fashion. I'm glad that didn't happen because 1) that would have been too dark and 2) Kaede works better as this type of untouchable ideal that characters simply won't/can't live up to. Her living would have been cool too, I guess. There are fan theories that say as much; since she technically didn't murder Rantaro (STILL, such a great revelation and an all-time great DR moment that gets ** on by the ending) and she "has a twin." Of course, to make this theory work you have to assume that Tsumugi and Team Danganronpa were playing by the rules so hard that they wouldn't have actually executed Kaede after framing her for the murder, which wouldn't make sense. You also have to ignore the fact that the twin thing is obviously BS. Anyway, I digress. Is Kaede being the blackened in Chapter 1 cheating? I thought so, at first. After all, DR games have always been visual novels where the player assumes the role of the protagonist. V3 throws that out the window and instead places you in the role of "the audience" - evidenced by the multiple switches of perspective. Still, the fact remains that you do play as Kaede and you never drop a shot put down the grate. You do spend an obviously long time arranging the books on the shelf though. And from what I remember, the game does a good job of forcing you to examine the shot put in the warehouse. It probably should have forced you to examine the vent before you left, but I guess that would have been too obvious. In conclusion, the game isn't cheating, but it didn't do it perfectly either. Kudos to Kaede for being the first protagonist to actually try to kill the mastermind when given the chance instead of lounging around waiting to die. Nice! Next: A character from the first game. Gee, I wonder who it is. <cite>colliding posted [p:889195020] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>8. Kaede Akamatsu Appears in: Danganronpa V3 Ultimate Identity: Pianist Endearing Character Trait: Loves Rube Goldberg Machines KAI-YAY-DAY, no! First time playing DRV3, I wasn't super stoked about playing as a female protagonist, but at the very least I thought it was an interesting development. I was picturing the game setting up Kaede as an Ultimate Hope and gradually breaking her case by case in an almost fetishistic fashion. I'm glad that didn't happen because 1) that would have been too dark and 2) Kaede works better as this type of untouchable ideal that characters simply won't/can't live up to. Her living would have been cool too, I guess. There are fan theories that say as much; since she technically didn't murder Rantaro (STILL, such a great revelation and an all-time great DR moment that gets ** on by the ending) and she "has a twin." Of course, to make this theory work you have to assume that Tsumugi and Team Danganronpa were playing by the rules so hard that they wouldn't have actually executed Kaede after framing her for the murder, which wouldn't make sense. You also have to ignore the fact that the twin thing is obviously BS. Anyway, I digress. Is Kaede being the blackened in Chapter 1 cheating? I thought so, at first. After all, DR games have always been visual novels where the player assumes the role of the protagonist. V3 throws that out the window and instead places you in the role of "the audience" - evidenced by the multiple switches of perspective. Still, the fact remains that you do play as Kaede and you never drop a shot put down the grate. You do spend an obviously long time arranging the books on the shelf though. And from what I remember, the game does a good job of forcing you to examine the shot put in the warehouse. It probably should have forced you to examine the vent before you left, but I guess that would have been too obvious. In conclusion, the game isn't cheating, but it didn't do it perfectly either. Kudos to Kaede for being the first protagonist to actually try to kill the mastermind when given the chance instead of lounging around waiting to die. Nice! Next: A character from the first game. Gee, I wonder who it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/26/17 3:15:04 PM #208:	love that you guys are having this kokichi/nagito debate, but couldn't you have waited say... three more rankings? <cite>colliding posted [p:889195197] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>love that you guys are having this kokichi/nagito debate, but couldn't you have waited say... three more rankings?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:16:12 PM #209:	God, the fact that they can just drop the bomb that Kaede was framed, and then go so insanely more crazy than that to the point that you almost forget that even happened while playing is just.....stunning. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889195270] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>God, the fact that they can just drop the bomb that Kaede was framed, and then go so insanely more crazy than that to the point that you almost forget that even happened while playing is just.....stunning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 10/26/17 3:16:15 PM #210:	CasanovaZelos posted... I think an important thing to consider about the end game characters of DRV3 is that 5 of them come to the conclusion that the best option is for everyone to die; Kokichi, meanwhile, is actively trying to break the system that is causing this. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, and Shuichi are all ready to die for this game to be over. In addition to lying, a major theme of this game is the idea of sacrifice. Kokichi, however, is using the situation to try and sacrifice himself to save the others. He's the only character beside Kaede who really seems to be fighting to save everyone else; he unfortunately has to sacrifice Gonta along the way to get a chance at his plan, but Gonta was also ready to be sacrificed. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, Shuichi, Kokichi, Ryoma, Kaede...hell, the entire cast at the end of case 2 is ready to sacrifice themselves for the "greater good." Wow, this is interesting point, I didn't think of that Kokichi just gained more respect points in my eyes --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:889195274] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>CasanovaZelos posted...</cite> <quote>I think an important thing to consider about the end game characters of DRV3 is that 5 of them come to the conclusion that the best option is for everyone to die; Kokichi, meanwhile, is actively trying to break the system that is causing this. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, and Shuichi are all ready to die for this game to be over. In addition to lying, a major theme of this game is the idea of sacrifice. Kokichi, however, is using the situation to try and sacrifice himself to save the others. He's the only character beside Kaede who really seems to be fighting to save everyone else; he unfortunately has to sacrifice Gonta along the way to get a chance at his plan, but Gonta was also ready to be sacrificed. Gonta, Maki, Kibo, Himiko, Shuichi, Kokichi, Ryoma, Kaede...hell, the entire cast at the end of case 2 is ready to sacrifice themselves for the "greater good."</quote> Wow, this is interesting point, I didn't think of that Kokichi just gained more respect points in my eyes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:19:28 PM #211:	Shuichi walking in to the casual suicide talk, with Himiko asking if Maki can make it all painless and everyone being totally on board with it is another chillingly strong DR moment that gets glossed over because of its brevity and the huge dump of stuff immediately following it. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889195484] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Shuichi walking in to the casual suicide talk, with Himiko asking if Maki can make it all painless and everyone being totally on board with it is another chillingly strong DR moment that gets glossed over because of its brevity and the huge dump of stuff immediately following it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 10/26/17 3:19:44 PM #212:	LapisLazuli posted... Nagito's hope was twisted Like I said. Best. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:889195499] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Nagito's hope was twisted</quote> Like I said. Best.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 10/26/17 3:20:22 PM #213:	Kaede is the closest I have ever been to "fall in love with a fictional character" as much as pathetic it is Too charming I guess --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:889195536] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Kaede is the closest I have ever been to "fall in love with a fictional character" as much as pathetic it is Too charming I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CasanovaZelos 10/26/17 3:23:22 PM #214:	It's funny to me because Miu comes off as one of the few 'villains' of the cast, but no one else seems to view her that way. She's just as antagonistic to everyone as Kokichi, and she's the only character who tries to escape for her own selfish reasons. Kaede tries to kill the mastermind, Kirumi wants to save the country, Korekiyo is simply insane and is acting the same way within the game as outside of it, Gonta was simply saving someone else from being killed, while Kaito concocted a plan with Kokichi to put an end to the game. In a game about sacrifice, Miu is the character that stands in opposition, but we don't even consider her a 'villain' because she completely failed at her plan. --- Board 8's Top 250 Games 2016 Edition: https://casanovazelos.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/b8top250/ BK_Sheikah won the guru and all he got was my lousy sig. <cite>CasanovaZelos posted [p:889195741] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>It's funny to me because Miu comes off as one of the few 'villains' of the cast, but no one else seems to view her that way. She's just as antagonistic to everyone as Kokichi, and she's the only character who tries to escape for her own selfish reasons. Kaede tries to kill the mastermind, Kirumi wants to save the country, Korekiyo is simply insane and is acting the same way within the game as outside of it, Gonta was simply saving someone else from being killed, while Kaito concocted a plan with Kokichi to put an end to the game. In a game about sacrifice, Miu is the character that stands in opposition, but we don't even consider her a 'villain' because she completely failed at her plan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:26:03 PM #215:	Apparently Kodaka has stated that his goal with Miu was to make the "most hated DR character who will be at the bottom of all rankings". Considering Miu's popularity I think that's a little damning in regards to Kodaka'a view on women, lol. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889195909] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Apparently Kodaka has stated that his goal with Miu was to make the "most hated DR character who will be at the bottom of all rankings". Considering Miu's popularity I think that's a little damning in regards to Kodaka'a view on women, lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/26/17 3:35:41 PM #216:	7. Kyoko Kirigiri Appears in: Danganronpa Ultimate Identity: Detective Endearing Character Trait: Her totally messed up hands Man oh man, if Kyoko doesn't seem overwhelmingly vanilla, particularly in the midst of all this kokichi talk. To be fair, the entire first DR is vanilla compared to V3. Still, Kyoko's story is relatively straightforward. Amnesiac in the first killing game, still remarkably competent, never really pushed outside her comfort zone - even when she finds her papa's bones wrapped up in a birthday present! Being so even-keeled, it's hard to pick a best moment. I will say her chapter-ending whisper to Makoto about the Ultimate Depair and the 16th student is up there. You might say "well, it sucks that Kyoko had to basically do everything in the first game," but on the other, it's cool to have a character like Kyoko coaching you along. Knowing that the entire final case was meant to be Kyoko being framed for your murder by the mastermind, and Kyoko was just that good that Junko had to improvise. She's clearly good at what she does. Many bonus points for her character design too. Next: No more games. <cite>colliding posted [p:889196518] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>7. Kyoko Kirigiri Appears in: Danganronpa Ultimate Identity: Detective Endearing Character Trait: Her totally messed up hands Man oh man, if Kyoko doesn't seem overwhelmingly vanilla, particularly in the midst of all this kokichi talk. To be fair, the entire first DR is vanilla compared to V3. Still, Kyoko's story is relatively straightforward. Amnesiac in the first killing game, still remarkably competent, never really pushed outside her comfort zone - even when she finds her papa's bones wrapped up in a birthday present! Being so even-keeled, it's hard to pick a best moment. I will say her chapter-ending whisper to Makoto about the Ultimate Depair and the 16th student is up there. You might say "well, it sucks that Kyoko had to basically do everything in the first game," but on the other, it's cool to have a character like Kyoko coaching you along. Knowing that the entire final case was meant to be Kyoko being framed for your murder by the mastermind, and Kyoko was just that good that Junko had to improvise. She's clearly good at what she does. Many bonus points for her character design too. Next: No more games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
linkhatesganon 10/26/17 3:36:21 PM #217:	I also see Kokichi more of a victim of circumstances and that he is actually more of a good guy but takes pleasure in being seen as evil. Nagito on the other hand is just rotten the bone. --- All hail to he who could see the future, Guru 2017 BkSheikah http://letterboxd.com/jesusoni; http://www.backloggery.com/linkhatesganon <cite>linkhatesganon posted [p:889196568] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>I also see Kokichi more of a victim of circumstances and that he is actually more of a good guy but takes pleasure in being seen as evil. Nagito on the other hand is just rotten the bone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/26/17 3:37:54 PM #218:	Nanis23 posted... Kaede is the closest I have ever been to "fall in love with a fictional character" as much as pathetic it is Too charming I guess typical degenerate male <cite>colliding posted [p:889196654] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nanis23 posted...</cite> <quote>Kaede is the closest I have ever been to "fall in love with a fictional character" as much as pathetic it is Too charming I guess</quote> typical degenerate male</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:39:06 PM #219:	Kyoko doing everything in the first game is a strike against Makoto, not Kyoko, IMHO. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889196716] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Kyoko doing everything in the first game is a strike against Makoto, not Kyoko, IMHO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 10/26/17 3:43:38 PM #220:	LapisLazuli posted... Apparently Kodaka has stated that his goal with Miu was to make the "most hated DR character who will be at the bottom of all rankings". Considering Miu's popularity I think that's a little damning in regards to Kodaka'a view on women, lol. Most hated as a "waifu", maybe Although I would still take her over Toko But as just a character? she is god damn funny --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:889196984] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently Kodaka has stated that his goal with Miu was to make the "most hated DR character who will be at the bottom of all rankings". Considering Miu's popularity I think that's a little damning in regards to Kodaka'a view on women, lol.</quote> Most hated as a "waifu", maybe Although I would still take her over Toko But as just a character? she is god damn funny</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 10/26/17 3:46:16 PM #221:	Nanis23 posted... LapisLazuli posted... Apparently Kodaka has stated that his goal with Miu was to make the "most hated DR character who will be at the bottom of all rankings". Considering Miu's popularity I think that's a little damning in regards to Kodaka'a view on women, lol. Most hated as a "waifu", maybe Although I would still take her over Toko But as just a character? she is god damn funny Yeah this nails it basically. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:889197158] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nanis23 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently Kodaka has stated that his goal with Miu was to make the "most hated DR character who will be at the bottom of all rankings". Considering Miu's popularity I think that's a little damning in regards to Kodaka'a view on women, lol.</quote> Most hated as a "waifu", maybe Although I would still take her over Toko But as just a character? she is god damn funny</quote> Yeah this nails it basically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 3:48:59 PM #222:	It's why Ibuki vs Miu is so tough for me! Top waifu vs "I need to find some meds so I can trip balls". --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889197336] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>It's why Ibuki vs Miu is so tough for me! Top waifu vs "I need to find some meds so I can trip balls".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 10/26/17 3:51:20 PM #223:	colliding posted... Being so even-keeled, it's hard to pick a best moment. I will say her chapter-ending whisper to Makoto about the Ultimate Depair and the 16th student is up there Uh...this? and nothing else really even comes close? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3EHCTP3jic I raged quit a few times of how much they overused "New World Order" in V3, as the only fitting time was during "Right...Miss Ultimate Assassin?" but they decided to add it in the beginning of every class trial New World Order is special like that, they should save it for only special occassions Like Ace Attorney 3 ~~using the first Pursuit - Cornered theme when taking down Godot~~ --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:889197482] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>colliding posted...</cite> <quote>Being so even-keeled, it's hard to pick a best moment. I will say her chapter-ending whisper to Makoto about the Ultimate Depair and the 16th student is up there</quote> Uh...this? and nothing else really even comes close? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3EHCTP3jic I raged quit a few times of how much they overused "New World Order" in V3, as the only fitting time was during "Right...Miss Ultimate Assassin?" but they decided to add it in the beginning of every class trial New World Order is special like that, they should save it for only special occassions Like Ace Attorney 3 using the first Pursuit - Cornered theme when taking down Godot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zyxyz0 10/26/17 4:06:37 PM #224:	colliding posted... Still, the fact remains that you do play as Kaede and you never drop a shot put down the grate. For what it's worth, there is a line of narration along the lines of "I dropped everything I was holding" at the point where she would've dropped the shot put ball. IIRC it mentions her cleaning the room beforehand, so that on a first playthrough you'd think she's talking about dropping the broom used for that, when in reality it's talking about the shot put there. (Kind of like how after being forced to examine them in the warehouse, there's a narration line about putting "what I was holding" in her backpack, which is only later revealed to be the shot put.) --- Archive of my and others' playthrough/ranking topics, fanfiction recs, etc: http://zyxyzarchive.x10host.com/ <cite>Zyxyz0 posted [p:889198504] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>colliding posted...</cite> <quote>Still, the fact remains that you do play as Kaede and you never drop a shot put down the grate. </quote> For what it's worth, there is a line of narration along the lines of "I dropped everything I was holding" at the point where she would've dropped the shot put ball. IIRC it mentions her cleaning the room beforehand, so that on a first playthrough you'd think she's talking about dropping the broom used for that, when in reality it's talking about the shot put there. (Kind of like how after being forced to examine them in the warehouse, there's a narration line about putting "what I was holding" in her backpack, which is only later revealed to be the shot put.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 10/26/17 4:32:24 PM #225:	LapisLazuli posted... Kokichi is a RIDE. Very specific goals, destroying all of his own values for his honest attempt to save as much life as possible at the cost of being loathed by everyone, remorse over his actions, small slips of sympathy, sacrificing his life for a plan to help everyone rather than a ridiculous scheme to get everyone killed. Er, who does Kokichi save? DRv3 has fewer survivors than 1 or 2 do. Maybe if Kokichi had come up with a positive plan rather than murdering Gonta (please don't say Gonta cooperated. He manipulated a mentally challenged boy), and sacrificing his own life he could've actually saved some lives rather than causing so many deaths. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:889200112] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Kokichi is a RIDE. Very specific goals, destroying all of his own values for his honest attempt to save as much life as possible at the cost of being loathed by everyone, remorse over his actions, small slips of sympathy, sacrificing his life for a plan to help everyone rather than a ridiculous scheme to get everyone killed. </quote> Er, who does Kokichi save? DRv3 has fewer survivors than 1 or 2 do. Maybe if Kokichi had come up with a positive plan rather than murdering Gonta (please don't say Gonta cooperated. He manipulated a mentally challenged boy), and sacrificing his own life he could've actually saved some lives rather than causing so many deaths.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 4:42:32 PM #226:	"End the killing game" isn't such an easy plan to put together, and being open and clear about that goal is what got Kokichi's "Beloved Amami" killed, so Kokichi sees. Also wow, throwing shade at Gonta, classy. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889200806] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>"End the killing game" isn't such an easy plan to put together, and being open and clear about that goal is what got Kokichi's "Beloved Amami" killed, so Kokichi sees. Also wow, throwing shade at Gonta, classy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 10/26/17 4:54:04 PM #227:	Throwing shade? How? Do you consider it an insult to say that someone is mentally challenged? That's... unkind of you. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:889201616] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Throwing shade? How? Do you consider it an insult to say that someone is mentally challenged? That's... unkind of you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 4:55:26 PM #228:	He's not mentally challenged. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889201722] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>He's not mentally challenged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 10/26/17 4:59:59 PM #229:	Yes he is. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:889202035] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Yes he is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 5:04:58 PM #230:	OK well you have fun with that theory. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889202389] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>OK well you have fun with that theory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Janus5k 10/26/17 5:08:00 PM #231:	wow, calling someone mentally challenged just because they're left-handed --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." <cite>Janus5k posted [p:889202620] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>wow, calling someone mentally challenged just because they're left-handed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/26/17 7:02:23 PM #232:	Gonta isn't mentally challenged, he's just really dumb about everything except bugs and being strong Zyxyz0 posted... colliding posted... Still, the fact remains that you do play as Kaede and you never drop a shot put down the grate. For what it's worth, there is a line of narration along the lines of "I dropped everything I was holding" at the point where she would've dropped the shot put ball. IIRC it mentions her cleaning the room beforehand, so that on a first playthrough you'd think she's talking about dropping the broom used for that, when in reality it's talking about the shot put there. (Kind of like how after being forced to examine them in the warehouse, there's a narration line about putting "what I was holding" in her backpack, which is only later revealed to be the shot put.) Also - I don't buy this as being enough to suggest putting a shot put into a closed vent. I've seen other people bring this up as "evidence" and it's just not enough. Again, I don't feel like the writers cheated there, but there needed to be more in that particular instant to insinuate action on Kaede's part. Even a message like "Do I hear something from the vent? I should check it before I leave." <cite>colliding posted [p:889209761] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Gonta isn't mentally challenged, he's just really dumb about everything except bugs and being strong <cite>Zyxyz0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>colliding posted...</cite> <quote>Still, the fact remains that you do play as Kaede and you never drop a shot put down the grate. </quote> For what it's worth, there is a line of narration along the lines of "I dropped everything I was holding" at the point where she would've dropped the shot put ball. IIRC it mentions her cleaning the room beforehand, so that on a first playthrough you'd think she's talking about dropping the broom used for that, when in reality it's talking about the shot put there. (Kind of like how after being forced to examine them in the warehouse, there's a narration line about putting "what I was holding" in her backpack, which is only later revealed to be the shot put.)</quote> Also - I don't buy this as being enough to suggest putting a shot put into a closed vent. I've seen other people bring this up as "evidence" and it's just not enough. Again, I don't feel like the writers cheated there, but there needed to be more in that particular instant to insinuate action on Kaede's part. Even a message like "Do I hear something from the vent? I should check it before I leave."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 10/26/17 7:52:19 PM #233:	colliding posted... Gonta isn't mentally challenged, he's just really dumb about everything except bugs and being strong I don't think it's very nice to call someone with a mental disability "really dumb" --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:889212884] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>colliding posted...</cite> <quote>Gonta isn't mentally challenged, he's just really dumb about everything except bugs and being strong</quote> I don't think it's very nice to call someone with a mental disability "really dumb"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 8:04:10 PM #234:	OK Mac, I'll bite. Why is Gonta mentally disabled? Try not to get modded in you explanation. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889213577] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>OK Mac, I'll bite. Why is Gonta mentally disabled? Try not to get modded in you explanation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sceptilesolar 10/26/17 8:07:57 PM #235:	I really don't like Kirigiri. It just seems like she doesn't have any interesting character traits, she's just cool and smart. --- Just killing time until the world ends. <cite>Sceptilesolar posted [p:889213789] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>I really don't like Kirigiri. It just seems like she doesn't have any interesting character traits, she's just cool and smart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 10/26/17 8:26:10 PM #236:	He displays subnormal intelligence in everything he does, and is frequently unable to understand basic concepts. Definitely seems to be pretty low IQ. Acts similarly to the way mentally challenged people do in real life. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:889214936] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>He displays subnormal intelligence in everything he does, and is frequently unable to understand basic concepts. Definitely seems to be pretty low IQ. Acts similarly to the way mentally challenged people do in real life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/26/17 8:52:13 PM #237:	You've got a different definition of mentally challenged than....just about everyone, Mac. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889216527] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>You've got a different definition of mentally challenged than....just about everyone, Mac.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Big Bob 10/26/17 8:54:34 PM #238:	Kyoko has some good moments, but she's too much of a spotlight-stealer. Also, the first time Makoto talks to her, I realized that she would live to the end of the game. In DRV3 I thought the same about Rantaro, but then he went and died in the first act. So at least these games are getting less predictable! --- Come watch me on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/gameryogi <cite>Big Bob posted [p:889216696] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Kyoko has some good moments, but she's too much of a spotlight-stealer. Also, the first time Makoto talks to her, I realized that she would live to the end of the game. In DRV3 I thought the same about Rantaro, but then he went and died in the first act. So at least these games are getting less predictable!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenZeroX 10/27/17 2:54:36 PM #239:	Taggage --- FFBE IGN Zero, Fryevia or Dark Veritas Marie, Emperor, Tidus, Dark Knight Cecil, Rem, Ace, Trance Terra or Ayaka on request <cite>RaidenZeroX posted [p:889260788] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Taggage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/28/17 10:02:56 AM #240:	Bump. Busy day yesterday and today. <cite>colliding posted [p:889305288] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Bump. Busy day yesterday and today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/28/17 5:19:22 PM #241:	Who's the hottest girl? Despite my low ranking of her, I think Celeste got pretty hot toward the end. <cite>colliding posted [p:889325173] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Who's the hottest girl? Despite my low ranking of her, I think Celeste got pretty hot toward the end.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/28/17 5:29:50 PM #242:	Ibuki Miodaaaaaaaa --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889325665] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>Ibuki Miodaaaaaaaa</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 10/28/17 5:34:18 PM #243:	colliding posted... Who's the hottest girl? Despite my low ranking of her, I think Celeste got pretty hot toward the end. I can't tell if this is the cheap, obvious wordplay or serious --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:889325868] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>colliding posted...</cite> <quote>Who's the hottest girl? Despite my low ranking of her, I think Celeste got pretty hot toward the end.</quote> I can't tell if this is the cheap, obvious wordplay or serious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Big Bob 10/29/17 12:50:56 AM #244:	I used to think the girls on DR were pretty attractive. Then I went to a convention one time and saw a group of teenage girls cosplaying as them. Then I realized these girls were probably age-appropriate for the characters. Hard to stay interested after that. Don't get me wrong, they were actually really faithful to the characters. It's just that anime art tends to age its characters by several years. --- Come watch me on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/gameryogi <cite>Big Bob posted [p:889346376] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>I used to think the girls on DR were pretty attractive. Then I went to a convention one time and saw a group of teenage girls cosplaying as them. Then I realized these girls were probably age-appropriate for the characters. Hard to stay interested after that. Don't get me wrong, they were actually really faithful to the characters. It's just that anime art tends to age its characters by several years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/29/17 12:54:37 AM #245:	https://i.pinimg.com/564x/42/82/ca/4282ca2a3159f792c97d12abe194e9bb--super-danganronpa-cosplay-danganronpa.jpg --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889346534] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>https://i.pinimg.com/564x/42/82/ca/4282ca2a3159f792c97d12abe194e9bb--super-danganronpa-cosplay-danganronpa.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/29/17 1:47:08 PM #246:	guys, I was just making the obvious joke because I hate obvious bump posts. I've actually been social this weekend so I haven't had time for this. I'll get back to this soon though. <cite>colliding posted [p:889368696] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>guys, I was just making the obvious joke because I hate obvious bump posts. I've actually been social this weekend so I haven't had time for this. I'll get back to this soon though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 10/29/17 4:06:52 PM #247:	Big Bob posted... I used to think the girls on DR were pretty attractive. Then I went to a convention one time and saw a group of teenage girls cosplaying as them. Then I realized these girls were probably age-appropriate for the characters. Hard to stay interested after that. Don't get me wrong, they were actually really faithful to the characters. It's just that anime art tends to age its characters by several years. Well If the only hot female DR character that is not underage is Chisa, I am still satisfied --- 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:889376944] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote><cite>Big Bob posted...</cite> <quote>I used to think the girls on DR were pretty attractive. Then I went to a convention one time and saw a group of teenage girls cosplaying as them. Then I realized these girls were probably age-appropriate for the characters. Hard to stay interested after that. Don't get me wrong, they were actually really faithful to the characters. It's just that anime art tends to age its characters by several years.</quote> Well If the only hot female DR character that is not underage is Chisa, I am still satisfied</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 10/30/17 4:16:19 PM #248:	6. Chiaki Nanami Appears in: Danganronpa 2 Ultimate Identity: Gamer Endearing Character Trait: Narcolepsy Chiaki is tailored to be a well-liked character, and it's almost manipulative in a way how she is "perfect" in so many ways. So part of me wants to resist this, but on the other hand - she's a good character. Chiaki, in a way, is the first real "descendant" in the series, being a natural extension of Alter Ego. When thought of this way, as a kind of extension of Chihiro, her character becomes even more interesting. Here we have the sort of strong mindset that Chihiro was really striving for. She has a lot of endearing character traits: falling asleep, her knowledge of games, her general attractiveness... I think. She asks a lot of questions. In this way, she doesn't take over cases as much as say Kyoko or Kaito. All of this compounds why DR2 chapter 5 is so tragic: she's the traitor, but in this case, her being a "traitor" is actually her being a protector. Like many of the best characters in DR2, you are surprised by how much you like them by the end. People make parallels between Chiaki and Kaede in terms of them being exemplars of hope/goodness, and I think that's an apt comparison. I give Chiaki a slight edge in that she's around longer. Again, her only real drawback is that she's almost "too perfect" in a way that feels false. Next: This too must be the will of causality... <cite>colliding posted [p:889444665] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>6. Chiaki Nanami Appears in: Danganronpa 2 Ultimate Identity: Gamer Endearing Character Trait: Narcolepsy Chiaki is tailored to be a well-liked character, and it's almost manipulative in a way how she is "perfect" in so many ways. So part of me wants to resist this, but on the other hand - she's a good character. Chiaki, in a way, is the first real "descendant" in the series, being a natural extension of Alter Ego. When thought of this way, as a kind of extension of Chihiro, her character becomes even more interesting. Here we have the sort of strong mindset that Chihiro was really striving for. She has a lot of endearing character traits: falling asleep, her knowledge of games, her general attractiveness... I think. She asks a lot of questions. In this way, she doesn't take over cases as much as say Kyoko or Kaito. All of this compounds why DR2 chapter 5 is so tragic: she's the traitor, but in this case, her being a "traitor" is actually her being a protector. Like many of the best characters in DR2, you are surprised by how much you like them by the end. People make parallels between Chiaki and Kaede in terms of them being exemplars of hope/goodness, and I think that's an apt comparison. I give Chiaki a slight edge in that she's around longer. Again, her only real drawback is that she's almost "too perfect" in a way that feels false. Next: This too must be the will of causality...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenZeroX 10/30/17 6:35:37 PM #249:	I was so happy at the start of case 5, because I figured that Chiaki would never kill anyone and seemed too important to be a victim. I was so ignorant. My favorites almost always die! --- FFBE IGN Zero, Fryevia or Dark Veritas Marie, Emperor, Tidus, Dark Knight Cecil, Rem, Ace, Trance Terra or Ayaka on request <cite>RaidenZeroX posted [p:889453045] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>I was so happy at the start of case 5, because I figured that Chiaki would never kill anyone and seemed too important to be a victim. I was so ignorant. My favorites almost always die!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 10/30/17 7:17:05 PM #250:	I hand't realized Gundahm was still missing. And also Fuyuhiko. Good list. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889455320] in Rankings f... [t:75854410]...</cite> <quote>I hand't realized Gundahm was still missing. And also Fuyuhiko. Good list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > Rankings from a Lurker: Danganronpa (heavy spoilers for DR, DR2, and DRV3)