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The Admiral 10/13/17 10:28:01 AM #51:	Asherlee10 posted... Well, they have been listed as a hate group, for one. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council) Second, they specifically go after dissolving equal rights for LGBT. That's pretty pointed. Third, I don't think it matters if Trump thinks it's a hate group or not. There is backlash and that's worthy of addressing. As was discussed above, they're listed as a hate group by the SPLC, an illegitimate propaganda outlet that even Eric Holder stopped citing as a credible organization. If they're a hate group just for these views on gays, so is Islam. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:888355905] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> Well, they have been listed as a hate group, for one. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council) Second, they specifically go after dissolving equal rights for LGBT. That's pretty pointed. Third, I don't think it matters if Trump thinks it's a hate group or not. There is backlash and that's worthy of addressing.</quote> As was discussed above, they're listed as a hate group by the SPLC, an illegitimate propaganda outlet that even Eric Holder stopped citing as a credible organization. If they're a hate group just for these views on gays, so is Islam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apocalyptic_4 10/13/17 10:28:20 AM #52:	5D chess boys --- PSN: Adrian396 XBL: Prime Legacy Nintendo ID: Apocalypse <cite>apocalyptic_4 posted [p:888355924] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>5D chess boys</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alabaster_Wings 10/13/17 10:29:29 AM #53:	The Southern Poverty Law Center is an "illegitimate propaganda outlet" according to CE's chief far-right propagandist... <cite>Alabaster_Wings posted [p:888355976] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>The Southern Poverty Law Center is an "illegitimate propaganda outlet" according to CE's chief far-right propagandist...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 10/13/17 10:30:14 AM #54:	Alabaster_Wings posted... The Southern Poverty Law Center is an "illegitimate propaganda outlet" according to CE's chief far-right propagandist... And the FBI and Eric Holder. Try harder, lowly alt account. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:888356005] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alabaster_Wings posted...</cite> <quote>The Southern Poverty Law Center is an "illegitimate propaganda outlet" according to CE's chief far-right propagandist...</quote> And the FBI and Eric Holder. Try harder, lowly alt account.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 10/13/17 10:34:47 AM #56:	How about we look at actual statements and beliefs from the FRC to judge them: CHRIS MATTHEWS: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior? PETER SPRIGG: Well, I think certainly- MATTHEWS: Im just asking you, should we outlaw gay behavior? SPRIGG: I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior. MATTHEWS: So we should outlaw gay behavior. SPRIGG: Yes. Then there's the whole idea that conversation therapy is legitimate: The LGBT activist movement has long been notorious for using a variety of untruths and/or distortions to advance their social and political agenda. In few areas has this been so blatant and shocking as in the current all-out war against the freedom of clients and therapists to pursue sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE). For example, we are repeatedly told (falsely) that scientific evidence has proven that all SOCE is harmful. Yet even the Left-leaning American Psychological Associationalthough critical of SOCEwas forced to admit: Early and recent research studies provide no clear evidence of the prevalence of harmful outcomes among people who have undergone efforts to change their sexual orientation Thus, we cannot conclude how likely it is that harm will occur from SOCE [emphasis added]. The mainstream medias complicity (or ignorance) in all this is highlighted by the continuing use of the term conversion therapy in reference to a practice whose actual practitioners refer to it as sexual reorientation therapy, sexual orientation change efforts, or SOCE; or the more recent sexual attraction fluidity exploration in therapy or SAFE-T; or reparative therapybut not conversion therapy. Another claim made by critics of SOCE is that it is premised on the belief that homosexuality is a mental disordera belief they claim was discredited by the American Psychological Associations vote in 1973 to remove homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). However, the 1973 decision was not based on any clear-cut body of scientific evidence proving that homosexuality is normal, natural, and harmless. Instead, as a result of aggressive political activism, the APA simply changed the definition of a mental disorder in such a way as to exclude homosexuality, by making it contingent on the presence of subjective distress. While it is probably true that most therapists who assist with sexual orientation change efforts do not consider homosexuality to be a normal and natural variant of human sexuality, it is not necessary to classify it as a mental disorder to justify their work. Many people who experience same-sex attractions do experience subjective distress about those feelings, and that alone is sufficient to justify allowing therapists to assist in overcoming those attractions, if that is the goal the client chooses. Then there's the plethora of posts on their blog blaming things like teenage suicide and depression on a lack of religion and being "confused" about their sexuality without the influence of God. The group is utter shit and deserves all the heat they take --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:888356226] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>How about we look at actual statements and beliefs from the FRC to judge them: CHRIS MATTHEWS: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior? PETER SPRIGG: Well, I think certainly- MATTHEWS: Im just asking you, should we outlaw gay behavior? SPRIGG: I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior. MATTHEWS: So we should outlaw gay behavior. SPRIGG: Yes. Then there's the whole idea that conversation therapy is legitimate: <quote>The LGBT activist movement has long been notorious for using a variety of untruths and/or distortions to advance their social and political agenda. In few areas has this been so blatant and shocking as in the current all-out war against the freedom of clients and therapists to pursue sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE). For example, we are repeatedly told (falsely) that scientific evidence has proven that all SOCE is harmful. Yet even the Left-leaning American Psychological Associationalthough critical of SOCEwas forced to admit: Early and recent research studies provide no clear evidence of the prevalence of harmful outcomes among people who have undergone efforts to change their sexual orientation Thus, we cannot conclude how likely it is that harm will occur from SOCE [emphasis added]. The mainstream medias complicity (or ignorance) in all this is highlighted by the continuing use of the term conversion therapy in reference to a practice whose actual practitioners refer to it as sexual reorientation therapy, sexual orientation change efforts, or SOCE; or the more recent sexual attraction fluidity exploration in therapy or SAFE-T; or reparative therapybut not conversion therapy. Another claim made by critics of SOCE is that it is premised on the belief that homosexuality is a mental disordera belief they claim was discredited by the American Psychological Associations vote in 1973 to remove homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). However, the 1973 decision was not based on any clear-cut body of scientific evidence proving that homosexuality is normal, natural, and harmless. Instead, as a result of aggressive political activism, the APA simply changed the definition of a mental disorder in such a way as to exclude homosexuality, by making it contingent on the presence of subjective distress. While it is probably true that most therapists who assist with sexual orientation change efforts do not consider homosexuality to be a normal and natural variant of human sexuality, it is not necessary to classify it as a mental disorder to justify their work. Many people who experience same-sex attractions do experience subjective distress about those feelings, and that alone is sufficient to justify allowing therapists to assist in overcoming those attractions, if that is the goal the client chooses.</quote> Then there's the plethora of posts on their blog blaming things like teenage suicide and depression on a lack of religion and being "confused" about their sexuality without the influence of God. The group is utter shit and deserves all the heat they take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bluebomber182 10/13/17 10:36:26 AM #57:	the value voters summit was created because some attendees thought CPAC wasnt conservative enough and were also angry that a pro gay faction called GOProud spoke at the event --- WWE Champ The Maharaja Jinder Mahal YOU CAN'T HINDER THE JINDER!!!!! <cite>Bluebomber182 posted [p:888356294] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>the value voters summit was created because some attendees thought CPAC wasnt conservative enough and were also angry that a pro gay faction called GOProud spoke at the event</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 10/13/17 10:37:25 AM #58:	The Admiral posted... As was discussed above, they're listed as a hate group by the SPLC, an illegitimate propaganda outlet that even Eric Holder stopped citing as a credible organization. If they're a hate group just for these views on gays, so is Islam. They're a hate group because they specifically take actions against policies they disagree with. It's disingenuous to claim it's the same as a religion. It's more like a specific group inspired by said religion. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:888356347] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>As was discussed above, they're listed as a hate group by the SPLC, an illegitimate propaganda outlet that even Eric Holder stopped citing as a credible organization. If they're a hate group just for these views on gays, so is Islam. </quote> They're a hate group because they specifically take actions against policies they disagree with. It's disingenuous to claim it's the same as a religion. It's more like a specific group inspired by said religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcolm_McGuffi 10/13/17 10:39:27 AM #59:	The Great Muta 22 posted... How about we look at actual statements and beliefs from the FRC to judge them: CHRIS MATTHEWS: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior? PETER SPRIGG: Well, I think certainly- MATTHEWS: Im just asking you, should we outlaw gay behavior? SPRIGG: I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior. MATTHEWS: So we should outlaw gay behavior. SPRIGG: Yes. @Asherlee10 For the record, when people condemn Admiral for defending reeeeeally bad people (such as Nazis), this is the kind of thing they're talking about. Everything is political for him. It can't possibly be that the FRC are bad people who advocate for oppression, it has to be a liberal hack-job... Every time, it's the same damn thing from them, even down to calling people who protest on the street against Nazis bad people. <cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted [p:888356445] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>How about we look at actual statements and beliefs from the FRC to judge them: CHRIS MATTHEWS: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior? PETER SPRIGG: Well, I think certainly- MATTHEWS: Im just asking you, should we outlaw gay behavior? SPRIGG: I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior. MATTHEWS: So we should outlaw gay behavior. SPRIGG: Yes. </quote> @Asherlee10 For the record, when people condemn Admiral for defending reeeeeally bad people (such as Nazis), this is the kind of thing they're talking about. Everything is political for him. It can't possibly be that the FRC are bad people who advocate for oppression, it has to be a liberal hack-job... Every time, it's the same damn thing from them, even down to calling people who protest on the street against Nazis bad people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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badasstion 10/13/17 10:44:57 AM #61:	"Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever <cite>badasstion posted [p:888356694] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>"Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wolf_J_Flywheel 10/13/17 10:46:42 AM #63:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Mal_Fet posted... Can we please stop using the SPLC to determine what is a hate group? They call Ben Carson, a surgeon, a threat to people's safety but they don't categorize Antifa as a threat. you don't consider a group who actively campaigns against gay people a hate group? :v Do they campaign against gay people or gay marriage? --- Those who act like sheep, will be eaten by wolves http://i.imgur.com/n1L1yBu.jpg <cite>Wolf_J_Flywheel posted [p:888356773] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Can we please stop using the SPLC to determine what is a hate group? They call Ben Carson, a surgeon, a threat to people's safety but they don't categorize Antifa as a threat.</quote> you don't consider a group who actively campaigns against gay people a hate group? :v</quote> Do they campaign against gay people or gay marriage?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 10/13/17 10:47:51 AM #65:	Asherlee10 posted... Now, if he says something like FRC are good people or they're right or something along those lines and I missed it, that's a different story. I don't think they're good people, but I disagree with throwing around the term "hate group" so casually. The SPLC uses it as a weasel expression for political propaganda. If a group that endorses policies against gay marriage is described using the same language as a group that actually encourages/commits violence against gays, that term is being applied incorrectly. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:888356836] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>Now, if he says something like FRC are good people or they're right or something along those lines and I missed it, that's a different story.</quote> I don't think they're good people, but I disagree with throwing around the term "hate group" so casually. The SPLC uses it as a weasel expression for political propaganda. If a group that endorses policies against gay marriage is described using the same language as a group that actually encourages/commits violence against gays, that term is being applied incorrectly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 10/13/17 10:48:14 AM #66:	Asherlee10 posted... badasstion posted... "Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever Wait, aren't you the guy from yesterday who couldn't understand how NBC doesn't have a broadcasting license despite 3-4 people telling you? @BignutzisBack - isn't this that guy? Yep thats him he's been stinking up multiple topics the last few days. I wonder what his main is --- http://i.imgur.com/plA0Vg9.gif http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:888356852] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>badasstion posted...</cite> <quote>"Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever</quote> Wait, aren't you the guy from yesterday who couldn't understand how NBC doesn't have a broadcasting license despite 3-4 people telling you? @BignutzisBack - isn't this that guy?</quote> Yep thats him he's been stinking up multiple topics the last few days. I wonder what his main is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lww99 10/13/17 10:49:09 AM #67:	Surely this can't be real... right? Oh wait, it's 2017 and Trump got elected. --- http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h239/nhottbarbwire/owningroad_zps2333f502.gif <cite>lww99 posted [p:888356894] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>Surely this can't be real... right? Oh wait, it's 2017 and Trump got elected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/13/17 10:50:52 AM #68:	badasstion posted... "Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever "I have to make up obvious bullshit lies in order to defend the stupid shit my cult leader does!" - badasstion --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:888356988] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>badasstion posted...</cite> <quote>"Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever</quote> "I have to make up obvious bullshit lies in order to defend the stupid shit my cult leader does!" - badasstion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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badasstion 10/13/17 10:56:36 AM #70:	BignutzisBack posted... Asherlee10 posted... badasstion posted... "Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever Wait, aren't you the guy from yesterday who couldn't understand how NBC doesn't have a broadcasting license despite 3-4 people telling you? @BignutzisBack - isn't this that guy? Yep thats him he's been stinking up multiple topics the last few days. I wonder what his main is Wait, what? Way to put words in my mouth. I never believed they don't have one, I thought they did. Whether it should be revoked is a different story. Heineken14 posted... badasstion posted... "Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever "I have to make up obvious bullshit lies in order to defend the stupid shit my cult leader does!" - badasstion Yeah, liberals bashing Trump as anti-lgbt and racist is sooo farfetched and obvious bullshit lmfao. This one, like most, is too far gone. RIP manlib, in the fake news studio shot up to 97 rhetorics <cite>badasstion posted [p:888357299] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>badasstion posted...</cite> <quote>"Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever</quote> Wait, aren't you the guy from yesterday who couldn't understand how NBC doesn't have a broadcasting license despite 3-4 people telling you? @BignutzisBack - isn't this that guy?</quote> Yep thats him he's been stinking up multiple topics the last few days. I wonder what his main is</quote> Wait, what? Way to put words in my mouth. I never believed they don't have one, I thought they did. Whether it should be revoked is a different story. <cite>Heineken14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>badasstion posted...</cite> <quote>"Omg Trump to be an evil racist nazi zombie who wants to kill you and take away your rights if you're not part of the Aryan master race" -title of every pathetic, brainwashing, hysteria indoctrination liberal article ever</quote> "I have to make up obvious bullshit lies in order to defend the stupid shit my cult leader does!" - badasstion</quote> Yeah, liberals bashing Trump as anti-lgbt and racist is sooo farfetched and obvious bullshit lmfao. This one, like most, is too far gone. RIP manlib, in the fake news studio shot up to 97 rhetorics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 10/13/17 11:00:23 AM #71:	Asherlee10 posted... The Admiral posted... Asherlee10 posted... Now, if he says something like FRC are good people or they're right or something along those lines and I missed it, that's a different story. I don't think they're good people, but I disagree with throwing around the term "hate group" so casually. The SPLC uses it as a weasel expression for political propaganda. If a group that endorses policies against gay marriage is described using the same language as a group that actually encourages/commits violence against gays, that term is being applied incorrectly. I think you make a fair point. I just disagree that they aren't a hate group, regardless of SPLC's stance. I see them as a hate group because they actively lobby against equal rights for LGBT. That is enough of a qualifier for me. What are your views on organized religious institutions that oppose LGBT, like the Catholic Church? The reason I'd be apprehensive to label it a hate group is because my mom is VERY religious and big into Focus on the Family kinds of shit. I get the email forwards all the time from her about how whatever social progress the nation is making is a sin or whatever. However I don't think my mom is a hateful person, she is just a brainwashed Christian who truly believes there is a God above who has some very strict rules, and it happens that LGBT falls under that blanket. I don't agree with her views but I find it hard to equate it to something like the KKK. --- A Green Butter Alt http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:888357493] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>Now, if he says something like FRC are good people or they're right or something along those lines and I missed it, that's a different story.</quote> I don't think they're good people, but I disagree with throwing around the term "hate group" so casually. The SPLC uses it as a weasel expression for political propaganda. If a group that endorses policies against gay marriage is described using the same language as a group that actually encourages/commits violence against gays, that term is being applied incorrectly.</quote> I think you make a fair point. I just disagree that they aren't a hate group, regardless of SPLC's stance. I see them as a hate group because they actively lobby against equal rights for LGBT. That is enough of a qualifier for me.</quote> What are your views on organized religious institutions that oppose LGBT, like the Catholic Church? The reason I'd be apprehensive to label it a hate group is because my mom is VERY religious and big into Focus on the Family kinds of shit. I get the email forwards all the time from her about how whatever social progress the nation is making is a sin or whatever. However I don't think my mom is a hateful person, she is just a brainwashed Christian who truly believes there is a God above who has some very strict rules, and it happens that LGBT falls under that blanket. I don't agree with her views but I find it hard to equate it to something like the KKK.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 10/13/17 11:06:42 AM #72:	There's varying levels of being a hate group. The problem is people are completely ignorant, at best, to nuance and want to equate everything as equal. Just because the FRC is labeled a hate group because they advocate and influence policies that discriminate against the LGBT community doesn't equate them to the Klan and such. That's rightfully absurd. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:888357798] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>There's varying levels of being a hate group. The problem is people are completely ignorant, at best, to nuance and want to equate everything as equal. Just because the FRC is labeled a hate group because they advocate and influence policies that discriminate against the LGBT community doesn't equate them to the Klan and such. That's rightfully absurd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JimiMorrison187 10/13/17 11:19:07 AM #73:	I love how Trumps LGbt support is decided based on the negative narrative that can be used against him. He has been a homophobe to the MSM since last year but when he stopped trans in the military they all quoted him as being an LGbt supporter from his inaugural speech to call him a liar about his support even though they denied be even said he supported them up until that point. So now he is anti-gay again. Bet he says be supports lgbt rights in this very speech. It the MSM will act as if he never did. --- because f*** you is why <cite>JimiMorrison187 posted [p:888358397] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>I love how Trumps LGbt support is decided based on the negative narrative that can be used against him. He has been a homophobe to the MSM since last year but when he stopped trans in the military they all quoted him as being an LGbt supporter from his inaugural speech to call him a liar about his support even though they denied be even said he supported them up until that point. So now he is anti-gay again. Bet he says be supports lgbt rights in this very speech. It the MSM will act as if he never did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 10/13/17 11:21:26 AM #75:	Romulox28 posted... Asherlee10 posted... The Admiral posted... Asherlee10 posted... Now, if he says something like FRC are good people or they're right or something along those lines and I missed it, that's a different story. I don't think they're good people, but I disagree with throwing around the term "hate group" so casually. The SPLC uses it as a weasel expression for political propaganda. If a group that endorses policies against gay marriage is described using the same language as a group that actually encourages/commits violence against gays, that term is being applied incorrectly. I think you make a fair point. I just disagree that they aren't a hate group, regardless of SPLC's stance. I see them as a hate group because they actively lobby against equal rights for LGBT. That is enough of a qualifier for me. What are your views on organized religious institutions that oppose LGBT, like the Catholic Church? The reason I'd be apprehensive to label it a hate group is because my mom is VERY religious and big into Focus on the Family kinds of shit. I get the email forwards all the time from her about how whatever social progress the nation is making is a sin or whatever. However I don't think my mom is a hateful person, she is just a brainwashed Christian who truly believes there is a God above who has some very strict rules, and it happens that LGBT falls under that blanket. I don't agree with her views but I find it hard to equate it to something like the KKK. Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888358527] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>Now, if he says something like FRC are good people or they're right or something along those lines and I missed it, that's a different story.</quote> I don't think they're good people, but I disagree with throwing around the term "hate group" so casually. The SPLC uses it as a weasel expression for political propaganda. If a group that endorses policies against gay marriage is described using the same language as a group that actually encourages/commits violence against gays, that term is being applied incorrectly.</quote> I think you make a fair point. I just disagree that they aren't a hate group, regardless of SPLC's stance. I see them as a hate group because they actively lobby against equal rights for LGBT. That is enough of a qualifier for me.</quote> What are your views on organized religious institutions that oppose LGBT, like the Catholic Church? The reason I'd be apprehensive to label it a hate group is because my mom is VERY religious and big into Focus on the Family kinds of shit. I get the email forwards all the time from her about how whatever social progress the nation is making is a sin or whatever. However I don't think my mom is a hateful person, she is just a brainwashed Christian who truly believes there is a God above who has some very strict rules, and it happens that LGBT falls under that blanket. I don't agree with her views but I find it hard to equate it to something like the KKK.</quote> Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 10/13/17 11:22:36 AM #76:	Callixtus posted... Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry. Giving people equal rights and protections isn't a LGBT agenda. It is a human one. :v --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:888358579] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry.</quote> Giving people equal rights and protections isn't a LGBT agenda. It is a human one. :v</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:24:25 AM #77:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Callixtus posted... Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry. Giving people equal rights and protections isn't a LGBT agenda. It is a human one. :v Human rights are a nebulous concept. That's why human rights typically coincide with whatever new thing Westerners have come up with. Arguing that same sex marriage is wrong is not being a "hate group". --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888358661] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry.</quote> Giving people equal rights and protections isn't a LGBT agenda. It is a human one. :v</quote> Human rights are a nebulous concept. That's why human rights typically coincide with whatever new thing Westerners have come up with. Arguing that same sex marriage is wrong is not being a "hate group".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcolm_McGuffi 10/13/17 11:25:32 AM #78:	Callixtus posted... Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry. If you support the FRC's platform, you support making homosexuality a criminal act and putting gay people in jail on account of their sexuality. That makes you an enemy of civilization and a human being of the most grotesque kind. <cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted [p:888358707] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry.</quote> If you support the FRC's platform, you support making homosexuality a criminal act and putting gay people in jail on account of their sexuality. That makes you an enemy of civilization and a human being of the most grotesque kind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:27:13 AM #79:	Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry. If you support the FRC's platform, you support making homosexuality a criminal act and putting gay people in jail on account of their sexuality. That makes you an enemy of civilization and a human being of the most grotesque kind. I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888358806] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry.</quote> If you support the FRC's platform, you support making homosexuality a criminal act and putting gay people in jail on account of their sexuality. That makes you an enemy of civilization and a human being of the most grotesque kind.</quote> I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcolm_McGuffi 10/13/17 11:27:22 AM #80:	Callixtus posted... Human rights are a nebulous concept. Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order <cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted [p:888358814] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Human rights are a nebulous concept. </quote> Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:27:58 AM #81:	Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... Human rights are a nebulous concept. Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order I voted for Rodham. Try again. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888358847] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Human rights are a nebulous concept. </quote> Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order</quote> I voted for Rodham. Try again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcolm_McGuffi 10/13/17 11:28:45 AM #82:	Callixtus posted... I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry. It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality. <cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted [p:888358884] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry.</quote> It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/13/17 11:30:59 AM #83:	Callixtus posted... Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry. If you support the FRC's platform, you support making homosexuality a criminal act and putting gay people in jail on account of their sexuality. That makes you an enemy of civilization and a human being of the most grotesque kind. I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry. Conservative bigotry: trying to make shit illegal and take away rigjts from minority groups Liberal bigotry: opposing conservative bigotry. Same thing both sides! Lolol --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:888359003] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Wow every person that disagrees with the LGBT agenda is now "brainwashed". Classic progressive bigotry.</quote> If you support the FRC's platform, you support making homosexuality a criminal act and putting gay people in jail on account of their sexuality. That makes you an enemy of civilization and a human being of the most grotesque kind.</quote> I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry.</quote> Conservative bigotry: trying to make shit illegal and take away rigjts from minority groups Liberal bigotry: opposing conservative bigotry. Same thing both sides! Lolol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 10/13/17 11:31:45 AM #84:	Callixtus posted... Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... Human rights are a nebulous concept. Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order I voted for Rodham. Try again. No one who's been on CE longer than a month believes that lol no matter how many times you say it. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:888359050] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Human rights are a nebulous concept. </quote> Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order</quote> I voted for Rodham. Try again.</quote> No one who's been on CE longer than a month believes that lol no matter how many times you say it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 10/13/17 11:32:03 AM #85:	Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry. It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality. Exactly. No logical reason for blocking same sex couples from marrying that doesn't revolve around the worship of a nebulous deity who (allegedly) disapproves of it. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:888359064] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry.</quote> It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality.</quote> Exactly. No logical reason for blocking same sex couples from marrying that doesn't revolve around the worship of a nebulous deity who (allegedly) disapproves of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:35:18 AM #86:	Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry. It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality. I never said I'm opposed to same sex marriage. I don't care about it. That doesn't mean that I think other people who advocate against it are a "hate group". Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people. Also there is nothing wrong with certain groups having more rights than others per se. There are many examples of that in our legal system that are uncontroversial. Not related to some ambiguous concept of "supremacy"either. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888359232] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry.</quote> It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality.</quote> I never said I'm opposed to same sex marriage. I don't care about it. That doesn't mean that I think other people who advocate against it are a "hate group". Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people. Also there is nothing wrong with certain groups having more rights than others per se. There are many examples of that in our legal system that are uncontroversial. Not related to some ambiguous concept of "supremacy"either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:36:18 AM #87:	Zeeak4444 posted... Callixtus posted... Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... Human rights are a nebulous concept. Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order I voted for Rodham. Try again. No one who's been on CE longer than a month believes that lol no matter how many times you say it. Idc what people think. When has anyone ever seen me praise a single thing Trump has done? As I type this right now I have an active post calling Trump a threat to the global order. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888359293] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Human rights are a nebulous concept. </quote> Spoken like a loyal follower of the Putin-Trump world order</quote> I voted for Rodham. Try again.</quote> No one who's been on CE longer than a month believes that lol no matter how many times you say it.</quote> Idc what people think. When has anyone ever seen me praise a single thing Trump has done? As I type this right now I have an active post calling Trump a threat to the global order.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 10/13/17 11:38:33 AM #88:	Callixtus posted... Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry. It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality. I never said I'm opposed to same sex marriage. I don't care about it. That doesn't mean that I think other people who advocate against it are a "hate group". Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone. Also there is nothing wrong with certain groups having more rights than others per se. There are many examples of that in our legal system that are uncontroversial. Not related to some ambiguous concept of "supremacy"either. Nice try by pivoting to marriage when this group wants to make homosexual ACTS illegal. So kindly get back to the topic. Thanks. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:888359414] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry.</quote> It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality.</quote> I never said I'm opposed to same sex marriage. I don't care about it. That doesn't mean that I think other people who advocate against it are a "hate group". Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone. Also there is nothing wrong with certain groups having more rights than others per se. There are many examples of that in our legal system that are uncontroversial. Not related to some ambiguous concept of "supremacy"either.</quote> Nice try by pivoting to marriage when this group wants to make homosexual ACTS illegal. So kindly get back to the topic. Thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 10/13/17 11:38:58 AM #89:	Callixtus posted... Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone. The difference is that they couldn't marry someone they were actually attracted to before same sex marriage. You're reducing it to black and white terms when it isn't a black and white issue. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:888359441] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone.</quote> The difference is that they couldn't marry someone they were actually attracted to before same sex marriage. You're reducing it to black and white terms when it isn't a black and white issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:41:44 AM #90:	CruelBuffalo posted... Callixtus posted... Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Callixtus posted... I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry. It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality. I never said I'm opposed to same sex marriage. I don't care about it. That doesn't mean that I think other people who advocate against it are a "hate group". Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone. Also there is nothing wrong with certain groups having more rights than others per se. There are many examples of that in our legal system that are uncontroversial. Not related to some ambiguous concept of "supremacy"either. Nice try by pivoting to marriage when this group wants to make homosexual ACTS illegal. So kindly get back to the topic. Thanks. I didn't pivot to marriage. I was responding to a post where a user said his mother was "brainwashed" for opposing the LGBT agenda, of which marriage is a significant part. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888359589] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>I don't support their platform on an individual liberty basis. But I don't think advocating against same sex marriage makes someone hateful or "brainwashed". That's just liberal bigotry.</quote> It means you think gay people deserve to have fewer rights than straight people, which is a supremacist mentality.</quote> I never said I'm opposed to same sex marriage. I don't care about it. That doesn't mean that I think other people who advocate against it are a "hate group". Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone. Also there is nothing wrong with certain groups having more rights than others per se. There are many examples of that in our legal system that are uncontroversial. Not related to some ambiguous concept of "supremacy"either.</quote> Nice try by pivoting to marriage when this group wants to make homosexual ACTS illegal. So kindly get back to the topic. Thanks.</quote> I didn't pivot to marriage. I was responding to a post where a user said his mother was "brainwashed" for opposing the LGBT agenda, of which marriage is a significant part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malcolm_McGuffi 10/13/17 11:44:18 AM #92:	Conservatives who play the "Liberals are the real bigots" card are so fucking contemptible and subversive. If you're sick of people calling you a bigot all the damn time, stop being a bigot. <cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted [p:888359714] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives who play the "Liberals are the real bigots" card are so fucking contemptible and subversive. If you're sick of people calling you a bigot all the damn time, stop being a bigot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:45:00 AM #93:	9OpheliaAdenade posted... Callixtus posted... Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone. The difference is that they couldn't marry someone they were actually attracted to before same sex marriage. You're reducing it to black and white terms when it isn't a black and white issue. Equal rights are equal rights. There's nothing in marriage that requires attraction. Indeed, for most of Western civilization, marriage had very little to do with attraction or love at all. I am not belaboring the point, but it is factually incorrect to say that they lacked equal rights. They had the exact same rights as straight people. They just found those rights too restrictive, for better or worse. That has nothing to do with the equality of those rights, which is just rhetoric. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888359744] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote>9<cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone.</quote> The difference is that they couldn't marry someone they were actually attracted to before same sex marriage. You're reducing it to black and white terms when it isn't a black and white issue.</quote> Equal rights are equal rights. There's nothing in marriage that requires attraction. Indeed, for most of Western civilization, marriage had very little to do with attraction or love at all. I am not belaboring the point, but it is factually incorrect to say that they lacked equal rights. They had the exact same rights as straight people. They just found those rights too restrictive, for better or worse. That has nothing to do with the equality of those rights, which is just rhetoric.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/13/17 11:45:11 AM #94:	Callixtus posted... Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people. The rich, as well as the poor, are free to sleep under bridges. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:888359763] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people. </quote> The rich, as well as the poor, are free to sleep under bridges.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/13/17 11:46:13 AM #95:	Asherlee10 posted... Callixtus posted... Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people. What? No. I was talking about marriage specifically. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888359822] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people.</quote> What? No. </quote> I was talking about marriage specifically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 10/13/17 11:47:10 AM #97:	Antifar posted... Callixtus posted... Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people. The rich, as well as the poor, are free to sleep under bridges. Once you get beyond the rhetoric and emotional appeal, yes that is an equal right. No one says that makes it fair or just. Why is this hard to understand? --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888359878] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Also LGBT people had the same rights as straight people before SSM. They too could marry a person of the opposite sex. Now everyone has gained an additional right: the ability to marry someone of the same sex. If you legislate against same sex marriage you are taking a right away from everyone not just LGBT people. </quote> The rich, as well as the poor, are free to sleep under bridges.</quote> Once you get beyond the rhetoric and emotional appeal, yes that is an equal right. No one says that makes it fair or just. Why is this hard to understand?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Callixtus 10/13/17 11:48:13 AM #99:	Malcolm_McGuffi posted... Conservatives who play the "Liberals are the real bigots" card are so fucking contemptible and subversive. If you're sick of people calling you a bigot all the damn time, stop being a bigot. Thanks for the compliment. Subversive has always been a term of endearment among leftists, no? --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:888359946] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives who play the "Liberals are the real bigots" card are so fucking contemptible and subversive. If you're sick of people calling you a bigot all the damn time, stop being a bigot.</quote> Thanks for the compliment. Subversive has always been a term of endearment among leftists, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 10/13/17 11:48:58 AM #100:	Callixtus posted... Equal rights are equal rights. There's nothing in marriage that requires attraction. Indeed, for most of Western civilization, marriage had very little to do with attraction or love at all. I am not belaboring the point, but it is factually incorrect to say that they lacked equal rights. They had the exact same rights as straight people. They just found thise rights too restrictive, for better or worse. That has nothing to do with the equality of those rights, which is just rhetoric. It is factually incorrect in only the most black and white of terms. Since the world isn't black and white, a black and white interpretation of a law concerning human rights is pointless. We aren't talking about property ownership. We're talking about human beings. You're choosing to overlook the point. :v That's your prerogative, go for it. At least the supreme court disagrees with you. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:888359995] in trump to s... [t:75872378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Equal rights are equal rights. There's nothing in marriage that requires attraction. Indeed, for most of Western civilization, marriage had very little to do with attraction or love at all. I am not belaboring the point, but it is factually incorrect to say that they lacked equal rights. They had the exact same rights as straight people. They just found thise rights too restrictive, for better or worse. That has nothing to do with the equality of those rights, which is just rhetoric.</quote> It is factually incorrect in only the most black and white of terms. Since the world isn't black and white, a black and white interpretation of a law concerning human rights is pointless. We aren't talking about property ownership. We're talking about human beings. You're choosing to overlook the point. :v That's your prerogative, go for it. At least the supreme court disagrees with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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