Board 8 > Board 8 National Football League League (B8NFLL) Season 9: FA + preseason

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oh god, pick protection is officially making a storm now isn't it? Man I thought this was the nfl not the nba ;_;
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Sorry for starting it...
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To make things a bit more concise for everyone, here are the trades that were just proposed

Packers receive:
DT Red Bryant (90)
SS Robert Polite (77)

Buccaneers receive:
SS Joe Goosby (83)
3rd Round Draft Pick
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Wildcats receive
ROLB Lance Briggs (82)
Titans' 1st round draft pick (if it falls in Top 10) or Titans' 2nd and 3rd round picks (if they do not fall in Top 10)

Titans receive
WR Larry Fitzgerald (92)
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KCF0107 posted...

Sorry for starting it...

No need to be sorry

It's just like any new feature....people are going to use it
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theawesomestevr posted...

I'm hoping KCF can fill me in here if he's risking having one of his 3 WRs forcing a trade due to not starting or if he's safe there.

Early season Bucs had an upper 80s Drew Bennett backing up David Givens and Nate Burleson. His morale wasn't affected. That being said, the Bucs won the Super Bowl in that inaugural season, which can help slow the effects of morale drops. Also, Bennett was like an 87, not 90 the player that will win the #3 spot in Tennessee will. I honestly couldn't tell you what will happen.
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DoubleTangicide posted...

KCF0107 posted...

Sorry for starting it...

No need to be sorry

It's just like any new feature....people are going to use it

Yeah, it's just not my preference, but I'll be okay.
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KCF0107 posted...

Wildcats receive
ROLB Lance Briggs (82)
Titans' 1st round draft pick (if it falls in Top 10) or Titans' 2nd and 3rd round picks (if they do not fall in Top 10)

Titans receive
WR Larry Fitzgerald (92)

I confirm this trade.

And since it seems people are looking okay with that trade, I have another trade to announce that might help explain the Packers/Bucs trade.

Titans Receive:
SS George Iloka
Bucs 2nd Round Pick

Buccanears Receive:
OG Claude Terrell

Dunno if this changes people's opinions on the Packers/Bucs trade but that would be why the Bucs seem to be trading for a position they didn't need.

theawesomestevr posted...

I assume this means Stan is sticking with the Titans then? >_>

Yes. Ride or die, m'right?

ShatteredElysium posted...

So Stan is basically like fuck picks, I'll just get already developed players instead? I like it!

Drafting hasn't worked for me so why not!? YOLO!

theawesomestevr posted...

He also seems to be doubling down on that all-offense approach. Because of the current trade proposal between he and Prof, it made me wonder if having 3 90+ WRs could potentially be bad for Stan/anyone.

This is what I dream of when this happened.
ShatteredElysium posted...

Well he drafted a WR with the no 4 pick when he already had 2 great WRs so it's in line with his past behavior!

But really, I'm hoping that either we A) do well enough to were it doesn't matter or B) Reggie Wayne retires at the end of the season (hopefully) making it a moot point. Worst case scenario is I'm forced to not resign Fitzgerald next year or cut/trade Colbert/Wayne.

MysteriousStan posted...

KCF0107 posted...

Wildcats receive
ROLB Lance Briggs (82)
Titans' 1st round draft pick (if it falls in Top 10) or Titans' 2nd and 3rd round picks (if they do not fall in Top 10)

Titans receive
WR Larry Fitzgerald (92)

I confirm this trade.

And since it seems people are looking okay with that trade, I have another trade to announce that might help explain the Packers/Bucs trade.

Titans Receive:
SS George Iloka
Bucs 2nd Round Pick

Buccanears Receive:
OG Claude Terrell

Dunno if this changes people's opinions on the Packers/Bucs trade but that would be why the Bucs seem to be trading for a position they didn't need.

It sounds like it might make more sense then if it's just posted as a 3 way trade.
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*shrug* Probably.

But I did let MZero know that I might not want to do that trade if my trade with the Wildcats wasn't accepted. So uh...yeah, that could have backfired on them I guess.

I put in conditional picks in both of my trades as I do not need starting NFL talent in place of Andre Johnson and Travelle Wharton. I have Kenny O'Neal and Rob Pettiti to take their place. Thus, fair compensation (to me) for the #1 WR and #1 LT in the game would have to come mostly from draft picks, and I don't think a single 1st would be fair given how many years they have left in the tank. Ergo, two first round picks seemed ideal.

That being said, I don't want to screw over other teams in case their efforts land with a thud so I brought up the idea of pick protection. The worst-case scenario (from the Dolphins' perspective), I will get four Top 75 picks (between 33-74) in exchange for each, which isn't terrible by any means.
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For the record, I want to say that I do not include myself in terms of the "general sentiment" for trades under review. However, I will give my input or raise questions if I am asked or I feel compelled to do so.

With that out of the way, this is how the Bucs look in these pair of trades.

Bucs give up:
29 year old, 90 DT
23 year old, 84 SS
24 year old, 77 SS
2nd round pick

Bucs receive:
31 year old, 88 LG
27 year old, 83 SS
3rd round pick
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Bills sign DE Ben Taylor to a 1 year deal
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I would agree that MZero's not getting good compensation on either of his trades, and I think that getting a better pick and/or giving up a lesser pick would go a long way to making those deals fairer.

That said, my best guess is that he is looking to start his younger DT, so he sees Bryant as expendable and is willing to take less for him, so I'm not sure how much of that we should take into account when weighing the trade.

But in the end he's getting the lesser of the two draft picks, the lesser of the two safeties, and the lesser of the linemen while giving up the better of all 3. I'd like to here everyone's thoughts before deciding definitively though.

My personal thought is why are the Bucs even giving up a draft pick to the Titans? Given the age discrepancy and relatively minor rating difference, a straight up deal makes a lot more sense than the Bucs giving up a high draft pick. There have been plenty of older talent for young, lesser player trades, such as the Bills giving up WR Santana Moss for Pumpkins DT Roy Miller, Browns giving up what was effectively C Mike Flynn for Colts DT Darryl Richard, and Chiefs giving up RT Jason Fabini for Panthers MLB Odell Thurman (before many of you entered the league).

Take that 2nd round pick away, and it looks like this:

Bucs give up:
29 year old, 90 DT
23 year old, 84 SS
24 year old, 77 SS

Bucs receive:
31 year old, 88 LG
27 year old, 83 SS
3rd round pick

This, in my eyes, looks a hell of a lot better. It's not necessarily great, especially for a team that's built to win now like the Bucs, but there I can see some semblance of sense and fair value.
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That's fair. I'm willing to eliminate the pick from my trade. As for the Bucs/Packers trade, been a busy day so I haven't looked all that closely at that one and don't really have an input.

Also uh...there may have been a bit of a mix up in what OLB I was giving to the Wildcats. Prof put down Briggs when it should have been Dias. I'd have preferred Dias given the cap hit I'll take next year from trading Briggs but like I said, long day (and tomorrow is going to be just as busy) so I wanted to get this trade in so that I could get my Bucs trade under review as well before preseason starts. But I did confirm it so if Briggs is who I send, Briggs it is.

Actually...I also just realized that Briggs doesn't really help him with his cap problem. The idea was that I would trade him a cheap OLB who still represents a significant upgrade (Dias has been actually rather productive for me) at the position for prof. This gets him under the cap while still having enough space to sign a cheap WR to fill out his hole that trading Fitzgerald causes. So uh...yeah...

Man, we really Browns/Bengals this thing up here.

KCF0107 posted...

Chiefs giving up RT Jason Fabini for Panthers MLB Odell Thurman

Did we get Fabini back in free agency? He retired as a Chief after season 7.
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Yeah uh if people are amicable to me being a fucking idiot.

Change to Dias instead of Briggs on that trade which, while dropping 2 rating is also two years younger and still above my current ROLB by a good chunk.
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I don't mind either way on the OLB involved, I'm still more in shock at someone trading for a Titans D in order to improve their own D!

ShatteredElysium posted...

I don't mind either way on the OLB involved, I'm still more in shock at someone trading for a Titans D in order to improve their own D!

Yeah well.

I DON'T KNOW MAN IT JUST HAPPENED.
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Ranlom posted...

KCF0107 posted...

Chiefs giving up RT Jason Fabini for Panthers MLB Odell Thurman

Did we get Fabini back in free agency? He retired as a Chief after season 7.

Yes, that is what happened
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ShatteredElysium posted...

I don't mind either way on the OLB involved, I'm still more in shock at someone trading for a Titans D in order to improve their own D!

To be fair, Dias was one of a handful of defensive players that didn't drop in rating last year!
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OLBs and MLBs are like the one position I can develop (DEs not so much!)

I've had Laurinaitis go 80 > 90 in 3 years. Tufts go 75 > 87 in 3 years. And McClain go 78 > 87 in 2 years. It's probably my most productive position.

I'm actually surprised more people don't run 3-4 instead of 4-3. Seems that MLB's are cheaper than DT's. Only reason I traded Favorite away was because of the money he was asking for and I didn't want to pay both him and McCoy when only 1 was playing.

Sucks that the game requires you to have 3 DT's even if you're running 3-4.

Packers/Bucs, Wildcats/Titans, and Bucs/Titans trades are official.

Stan, you are not obligated to refuse the 2nd round pick as the trade passed peer review, but I need confirmation from you if I am including it or not.
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Um. Well I guess I'll take the pick then.

Per instructions, the Bills have signed CB Ellis Hobbs to a 1 year deal
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Titans have signed OLB Anthony Felder to a 1 year deal
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I think that the spreadsheet is now fully updated
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I can't keep up with this. My life has been so busy that it completely slipped my mind that I have yet to send out coaching strategy PMs. I will send those out before simming the preseason. The break between the preseason and Week 1 will probably be longer than usual.
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All good, take the time you need! Real life is always more important!
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No worries on that man! Take all the time you need!!
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mccheyne posted...

All good, take the time you need! Real life is always more important!

DoubleTangicide posted...

No worries on that man! Take all the time you need!!

ShatteredElysium posted...

Seems that MLB's are cheaper than DT's.

False, unless you want to be pedantic. The difference is extremely negligible. That's the games way of preventing the salary cap from becoming sort of meaningless (as in running a 3-4 or 4-3 doesn't matter in terms of finances).
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Wildcats release RE James Hall and CB Curtis Deloatch.

Wildcats sign WR Chris Henry to a 4 year deal
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I will soon start sending out PMs concerning coaching strategies. Let me break everything down and what your options are for each.

Defensive Alignment - You can either run a 4-3 or a 3-4. A 4-3 has two starting DTs and one starting MLB. A 3-4 has two starting MLBs and one starting DT. The overwhelming majority of the league runs a 4-3, but there is no statistical or financial advantage at the individual or team level for either alignment.

Run/Pass Offense - This is the intended percentage of plays on offense that are run or pass. These are on sliding 100 point scales, and run will always be listed first.

Conservative/Aggressive Offense - This is the intended percentage of plays that are considered conservative or aggressive. I honestly cannot tell you what the game considers to be conservative vs aggressive, but I suppose conservative plays are risk-averse in terms of turnover, loss of yards, and yards gained potential and aggressive plays are risky plays that are more prone to lead to turnovers, loss of yards, and huge yard gains. These are on sliding 100 point scales, and conservative will always be listed first.

RB1/RB2 Splits - This is the theoretical percentage of carries that will divided between the #1 and #2 RB on your depth chart. Personally, I think that the splits more accurately reflect the amount of rushes divided between your #1 RB and your #2 RB/#3 RB/FBs/WRs/TEs/maybe QBs. These are on sliding 100 point scales, and your split cannot go any lower than 51/49.

Run/Pass Defense - This is the intended percentage of plays on defense that are geared toward stopping the run or pass.. These are on sliding 100 point scales, and run will always be listed first.

Conservative/Aggressive Defense - This is the intended percentage of plays that are considered conservative or aggressive. I honestly cannot tell you what the game considers to be conservative vs aggressive, but I suppose conservative plays are risk-averse in terms of turnover, sacks/tackles for loss, and yards allowed potential and aggressive plays are risky plays that are more prone to lead to turnovers, sacks/tackles for loss, and allowing huge yard gains. These are on sliding 100 point scales, and conservative will always be listed first.
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All PMs have been sent. I plan on simming the preseason tonight somewhere around 9-9:30 PM ET. You can come to the spreadsheet if you want. I will mostly be updating the injury and depth chart sheets while wiping the league leader and schedule/standings sheet while also putting up the new schedule. I might have time to post my seasonal predictions tonight.

For those who don't remember, I am very spot-on (called for great seasons from the 49ers and Bears, called the Raiders my dark horse AFC playoff pick) and hilariously wrong with my predictions (called for Jets, Pioneers, Seahawks, and Pumpkins playoff appearances in each of the past two seasons I believe, said that the Falcons were the #1 lock to make the playoffs last season). I am easily more wrong than right.
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To be fair to you, you also brought up concerns with the Panthers last year about what would happen to their thin team if their starters on offense got hurt. Guess what happened ;_;
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KCF0107 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Seems that MLB's are cheaper than DT's.

False, unless you want to be pedantic. The difference is extremely negligible. That's the games way of preventing the salary cap from becoming sort of meaningless (as in running a 3-4 or 4-3 doesn't matter in terms of finances).

Really? Because my 85 DT wanted 19.5m over 4 years and a FA 83 MLB was 11m over 3. That seems like a substantial difference for a 2 rating change

ShatteredElysium posted...

KCF0107 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Seems that MLB's are cheaper than DT's.

False, unless you want to be pedantic. The difference is extremely negligible. That's the games way of preventing the salary cap from becoming sort of meaningless (as in running a 3-4 or 4-3 doesn't matter in terms of finances).

Really? Because my 85 DT wanted 19.5m over 4 years and a FA 83 MLB was 11m over 3. That seems like a substantial difference for a 2 rating change

Ages? That's only like a 1 mil/year difference.
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Without saving the results obviously, I released a bunch of players at the MLB and DT position to see if the results still matched up with those when I was play-testing for the creation of B8NFLL. With the overall ratings the same, MLBs and DTs ask for essentially the same salary on an annual basis. The largest difference I found was less than $150k.

The problem with your example was that the ratings didn't match. That means A LOT. The higher a player's rating is, the more they expect to be paid, and the relationship between asking price and overall rating can be described as an exponential, not linear.
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Preseason Madden Team Rating Tiers

Each team is assigned an overall team rating based on the collective rating of their starting players on offense, defense, and special teams. I do not use the actual numbers but instead wordy descriptions that are neither funny nor interesting. Tiers will be listed in descending order and within each tier, the teams will be ordered via alphabetical team name.

Cavs/Warriors?
Dolphins
Cowboys

NFC Beast (and others)
Buccaneers
49ers
Giants
Jaguars
Pumpkins
Redskins
Seahawks

Too Many Teams For a Clever Tier Name
Bills
Broncos
Falcons
Hawks
Jets
Packers
Panthers
Patriots
Raiders
Steelers
Vikings
Pioneers

AFC No...? Goddammit I Can't of a Play-On Word for North with a Negative Denotation or Connotation!
Bears
Bengals
Browns
Chiefs
Rams
Ravens
Titans

Probably Didn't Have Playoff Aspirations Anyway
Colts
Lightning
Wildcats

Come Back Peyton!
Lions
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KCF0107 posted...

AFC No...? Goddammit I Can't of a Play-On Word for North with a Negative Denotation or Connotation!
Bears
Bengals
Browns
Chiefs
Rams
Ravens
Titans

No
Other
Reason
To
Hope
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I hate Maddon.
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And Madden hates you
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Considering all the injuries he gave me last year for no good reason and the typical defensive woes, I'm not surprised.
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Simming will be probably close to 9:30 ET. I am playing Scrabble at 8:30 and don't know how long a game takes
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Depends on how long you contemplate trying to get a bajillion point word!
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Still playing and losing at Scrabble
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