Poll of the Day > This 17 y/o Boy AND Girl Planned a High School Massacre with Guns AND Bombs!!!

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17 y/o Ugly Trolls, Alfred Dupree and Victoria McCurly who were NOT romantically involved are accused of blowing up their Etowah High School in Georgia after police found a disturbing number of social media posts they made praising the Columbine Massacre and felt SUICIDAL!!

The bullied loners are charged as adults with attempted murder and making terror threats when police were tipped off

They found Alfred's journal that revealed a plot and hit list of targets and found a home made incendiary device at Victoria's home.

Victoria made a picture of the High School Musical movie poster that was altered with "High School Massacre"

The heifer posted a picture of the Columbine killers with threatening messages of "Fear the nobodies" and another of Dylan Klebold with "Outrun my gun. She also made multiple posts featuring guns, knives and swords and a pentagram drawing with the words "hail Satan"

Alfred was suicidal who made posts about death and the hashtag #killme.

Classmates who knew them said they were not lovers and were loners who were often picked on.

Sam Jackson a student said "I just couldn't believe it. Because i knew both of those kids. They both rode my bus. They released the names today, everyone found out today, and everyone was just shocked"

Police are now stating "mental health" issues may be a factor and could determine if they will be sent to the nut house

Parents have been left terrified of the event as Andy Waldron, a parent said that students were scared the pair had been planning the hit at the homecoming parade

Spokeswoman Barbara Jacoby assured parents that the school will "not tolerate violence or threats of violence at any of our schools"

Both are charged as adults with 3 counts of criminal attempt to commit murder and 4 counts of terroristic threats and acts. They also face charges of attempted arson, possession and/or transportation of an explosive with intent to kill, injure or destroy public property.

Were you a loner in high school?

Alfred - Nutjob

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Victoria - Nutjob Heifer

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School -

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>tries to make a bomb
>produces sparklers
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As you can see, bullying causes massacres.
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kinda? I had people I talked to in school but I didn't consider them friends. and really only talked to people at lunch. or maybe a quick word or two between classes.
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Full Throttle posted...

Classmates who knew them said they were not lovers and were loners who were often picked on.

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Police are now stating "mental health" issues may be a factor and could determine if they will be sent to the nut house

Yeah, I'm sure it was the "mental health" issues and not the fact they were bullied...

In general, I doubt they would ever have attempted it but better safe than sorry, I suppose.
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Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

Classmates who knew them said they were not lovers and were loners who were often picked on.

[...]

Police are now stating "mental health" issues may be a factor and could determine if they will be sent to the nut house

Yeah, I'm sure it was the "mental health" issues and not the fact they were bullied...

In general, I doubt they would ever have attempted it but better safe than sorry, I suppose.

call it what you want but anyone who thinks shooting/bombing people just cause they where bullied (talking involving potentially all those innocent as well) have some screws loose in their head. I got bullied in school and never once did killing anyone at my school cross my mind.
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Oh wow, this happened in my town, I go by that School almost every day I go out shopping/eating.
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Lokarin posted...

As you can see, bullying causes massacres.

Actually, annoying emos do that.

Full Throttle posted...

Were you a loner in high school?

Yep. That hasn't changed.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

call it what you want but anyone who thinks shooting/bombing people just cause they where bullied (talking involving potentially all those innocent as well) have some screws loose in their head. I got bullied in school and never once did killing anyone at my school cross my mind.

Some domestic abuse victims kill their attackers too and we don't call them mental, however the attackers are typically significant to them, spouses, family. Nobodies at school are a hell of a lot easier to hate that people who are supposed to be your allies.

You can't run from school to avoid violence and you can't appeal to authority as it's never handled properly, this mimics domestic abuse. The difference here is that fucking nobodies who you sure won't miss would die, not somebody you feel strongly about as a member of the inner-most circle.

When people are being terrorised, there's no option to ignore it. It's a kill or be killed scenario to them, and they were considering dealing with the aggressors and the silent onlookers rather than taking out the victims.

There is a line of reasoning for why they feel justified for their actions and there's greatly heightened emotions to blow shit way out of proportion. They weren't right, but they weren't completely irrational and insane either. They deserve punishment, but they don't deserve to have their feelings brushed under the rug in a country where bullying is probably the worst in the first world.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

call it what you want but anyone who thinks shooting/bombing people just cause they where bullied (talking involving potentially all those innocent as well) have some screws loose in their head. I got bullied in school and never once did killing anyone at my school cross my mind.

Some domestic abuse victims kill their attackers too and we don't call them mental, however the attackers are typically significant to them, spouses, family. Nobodies at school are a hell of a lot easier to hate that people who are supposed to be your allies.

You can't run from school to avoid violence and you can't appeal to authority as it's never handled properly, this mimics domestic abuse. The difference here is that fucking nobodies who you sure won't miss would die, not somebody you feel strongly about as a member of the inner-most circle.

When people are being terrorised, there's no option to ignore it. It's a kill or be killed scenario to them, and they were considering dealing with the aggressors and the silent onlookers rather than taking out the victims.

There is a line of reasoning for why they feel justified for their actions and there's greatly heightened emotions to blow shit way out of proportion. They weren't right, but they weren't completely irrational and insane either. They deserve punishment, but they don't deserve to have their feelings brushed under the rug in a country where bullying is probably the worst in the first world.

in the case of the bolded, they are generally only attacking the ones who actually hurt them

as for the rest their is a thing called temporary insanity. has been used in court cases before successfully. their mental state got broken or snapped if you will. they where normal before, and with some help or in some cases simply with time can return to normal.

but as said plenty of people go through the same shit everyday, and don't blow up and start killing people. I was bullied in school from about 6th grade till I wanna say 10th grade. it was in highschool I stopped responding to the bullies and after a year or so they gave up and moved on to another target I suppose.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

in the case of the bolded, they are generally only attacking the ones who actually hurt them

They believe the school allowed them to be abused and they aren't wrong.

mooreandrew58 posted...

as for the rest their is a thing called temporary insanity. has been used in court cases before successfully. their mental state got broken or snapped if you will. they where normal before, and with some help or in some cases simply with time can return to normal.

There's also crimes of passion, i.e. their emotions were heightened to such a degree it interfered with their self-control. This basically says they could defend their reason to a degree insufficient to make it acceptable then their emotions exaggerated the validity.

Temporary insanity is having a breakdown, stripping naked, wiping menstrual blood on your face and running screaming down the street. Nobody can remotely reason that as a logical conclusion to anything, it's insane because it has no motivation. These kids can use some facts to make their conclusion, it's not the best solution by far, but it does solve their problem.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

but as said plenty of people go through the same shit everyday, and don't blow up and start killing people. I was bullied in school from about 6th grade till I wanna say 10th grade. it was in highschool I stopped responding to the bullies and after a year or so they gave up and moved on to another target I suppose.

What makes you think their bullying was as light as yours, or that they don't feel more strongly about the same transgressions?

If they responded 10x worse to the same stimuli and were subjected to 10x the bullying, they were 100x more hurt. If you were genuinely 100x more upset than you were, how would you feel?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

in the case of the bolded, they are generally only attacking the ones who actually hurt them

They believe the school allowed them to be abused and they aren't wrong.

mooreandrew58 posted...

as for the rest their is a thing called temporary insanity. has been used in court cases before successfully. their mental state got broken or snapped if you will. they where normal before, and with some help or in some cases simply with time can return to normal.

There's also crimes of passion, i.e. their emotions were heightened to such a degree it interfered with their self-control. This basically says they could defend their reason to a degree insufficient to make it acceptable then their emotions exaggerated the validity.

Temporary insanity is having a breakdown, stripping naked, wiping menstrual blood on your face and running screaming down the street. Nobody can remotely reason that as a logical conclusion to anything, it's insane because it has no motivation. These kids can use some facts to make their conclusion, it's not the best solution by far, but it does solve their problem.

temporary insanity has been used in murder cases. successfully I might add. got them a stint in the looney bin instead of prison I think. or at least reduced charges.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

but as said plenty of people go through the same shit everyday, and don't blow up and start killing people. I was bullied in school from about 6th grade till I wanna say 10th grade. it was in highschool I stopped responding to the bullies and after a year or so they gave up and moved on to another target I suppose.

What makes you think their bullying was as light as yours, or that they don't feel more strongly about the same transgressions?

If they responded 10x worse to the same stimuli and were subjected to 10x the bullying, they were 100x more hurt. If you were genuinely 100x more upset than you were, how would you feel?

thats some odd math and speculating you got going there. and how would I feel if I was 100X more upset? like a weak minded person.

im sorry just the way I see it, if you think bullying is an excuse to kill people you got problems. and i'm talking verbal abuse, physical abuse is more than just bullying its assault. (still not worth killing over though unless you honestly felt your life was threatened)

i've never been on the end of physical abuse as far as being punched goes, but ive been shoved around, my book bag literally ripped from shoulders (ripped the shoulder strap clean apart) and even spat on. and thats on top of being called all sorts of things on a daily basis.

the most I ever did in retaliation was shove one of them back one day knocking him over.
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Were they bullied? I mean, their so-called "heroes" were bullies themselves, so...
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mooreandrew58 posted...

temporary insanity has been used in murder cases. successfully I might add. got them a stint in the looney bin instead of prison I think. or at least reduced charges.

That's not relevant as:

1) you have to prove you would had no motivation to kill for it to be insanity, that if you were sane there would be no logic to killing them. And;
2) A good lawyer changes the need to actually have no motivation to the prosecutor needing to present a motivation, which they can't do if the motive is hidden well enough.

mooreandrew58 posted...

thats some odd math and speculating you got going there.

10x10=100, and I'm merely being a skeptic, I'm presenting ways in which they could of acted in a sane way. I'm not giving the most likely numbers as I only need reasonable doubt, not strong circumstantial evidence.

mooreandrew58 posted...

and how would I feel if I was 100X more upset? like a weak minded person.

You already are weak-minded, imagine being more hurt.

mooreandrew58 posted...

im sorry just the way I see it, if you think bullying is an excuse to kill people you got problems.

They did, serious abuse.

mooreandrew58 posted...

and i'm talking verbal abuse, physical abuse is more than just bullying its assault. (still not worth killing over though unless you honestly felt your life was threatened)

When is assault in school by children on children EVER presented as assault? On school grounds very illegal things take place and the police themselves dismiss heavily bruised students as bullied and hand responsibility to the school to educate them.

To your bracketed point though, that is how a calm, relaxed outsider sees schoolyard bullying. To a emotionally and physically damaged student, fucking up their life is more than enough motivation, even assuming they don't believe their life is at risk.

mooreandrew58 posted...

i've never been on the end of physical abuse as far as being punched goes, but ive been shoved around, my book bag literally ripped from shoulders (ripped the shoulder strap clean apart) and even spat on. and thats on top of being called all sorts of things on a daily basis.

So have I, and that's low-level shit a lot of us experienced, people who haven't tried to bomb schools. Is it really that hard to imagine they were treated worse than you were? They wanted to blow up a building, that isn't driven by being "shoved around" a little.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

temporary insanity has been used in murder cases. successfully I might add. got them a stint in the looney bin instead of prison I think. or at least reduced charges.

That's not relevant as:

1) you have to prove you would had no motivation to kill for it to be insanity, that if you were sane there would be no logic to killing them. And;
2) A good lawyer changes the need to actually have no motivation to the prosecutor needing to present a motivation, which they can't do if the motive is hidden well enough.

mooreandrew58 posted...

thats some odd math and speculating you got going there.

10x10=100, and I'm merely being a skeptic, I'm presenting ways in which they could of acted in a sane way. I'm not giving the most likely numbers as I only need reasonable doubt, not strong circumstantial evidence.

mooreandrew58 posted...

and how would I feel if I was 100X more upset? like a weak minded person.

You already are weak-minded, imagine being more hurt.

mooreandrew58 posted...

im sorry just the way I see it, if you think bullying is an excuse to kill people you got problems.

They did, serious abuse.

mooreandrew58 posted...

and i'm talking verbal abuse, physical abuse is more than just bullying its assault. (still not worth killing over though unless you honestly felt your life was threatened)

When is assault in school by children on children EVER presented as assault? On school grounds very illegal things take place and the police themselves dismiss heavily bruised students as bullied and hand responsibility to the school to educate them.

To your bracketed point though, that is how a calm, relaxed outsider sees schoolyard bullying. To a emotionally and physically damaged student, fucking up their life is more than enough motivation, even assuming they don't believe their life is at risk.

mooreandrew58 posted...

i've never been on the end of physical abuse as far as being punched goes, but ive been shoved around, my book bag literally ripped from shoulders (ripped the shoulder strap clean apart) and even spat on. and thats on top of being called all sorts of things on a daily basis.

So have I, and that's low-level shit a lot of us experienced, people who haven't tried to bomb schools. Is it really that hard to imagine they were treated worse than you were? They wanted to blow up a building, that isn't driven by being "shoved around" a little.

only way my bullying could have been worse. is they would have had to start punching me. and as said that takes it from bullying to assault which is a legit crime. I mean as I said I got called just about everything you can call a person to insult them, pretty much daily, and got spit on a few times. how does it get much worse without it coming to actually getting punched. and my school wouldn't do anything about either. I went to the principal over it. all they would do is "have a talk with them about it"

just to clarify in no way am I saying their feelings should be swept under the rug, but to say they where of sound mind when they decided to do this shit just kills me. what they did is not excusable in any fashion, and no perfectly normal sane person would do it.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

only way my bullying could have been worse. is they would have had to start punching me. and as said that takes it from bullying to assault which is a legit crime.

You know what's also a legit crime?

mooreandrew58 posted...

I got called just about everything you can call a person to insult them, pretty much daily and got spit on

And like I said:

mooreandrew58 posted...

my school wouldn't do anything about either. I went to the principal over it. all they would do is "have a talk with them about it"

I know this is an extreme example but in my school, a kid got stabbed with scissors and went to hospital and that was dealt with internally, it was classed as bullying.

School life is separate from public life, much as home life is separate from public life. Schools do not treat crime on children by children as crime as it's meant to be a learning environment. Conflict is supposed to be figured out internally, however as they are not bound by contract to fix the abuse, they are allowed to ignore the issue and allow the bully to be dealt with when they meet the workforce.

This is too late for the bullied, in a learning environment they are taught to either sort the problem themself without guidance or tank it til they leave. In this scenario they taught themselves a way to stop the bullies and without guidance they made a horrific decision. Without somebody to help them, nobody could call them out, and because they had eachother they could hotbox their ideas until they were high on seeking revenge.

While this may not be the case, it's entirely possible this occurred for them. There are logical avenues to come to the conclusion of "kill the enemy".
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

only way my bullying could have been worse. is they would have had to start punching me. and as said that takes it from bullying to assault which is a legit crime.

You know what's also a legit crime?

mooreandrew58 posted...

I got called just about everything you can call a person to insult them, pretty much daily and got spit on

And like I said:

mooreandrew58 posted...

my school wouldn't do anything about either. I went to the principal over it. all they would do is "have a talk with them about it"

I know this is an extreme example but in my school, a kid got stabbed with scissors and went to hospital and that was dealt with internally, it was classed as bullying.

School life is separate from public life, much as home life is separate from public life. Schools do not treat crime on children by children as crime as it's meant to be a learning environment. Conflict is supposed to be figured out internally, however as they are not bound by contract to fix the abuse, they are allowed to ignore the issue and allow the bully to be dealt with when they meet the workforce.

This is too late for the bullied, in a learning environment they are taught to either sort the problem themself without guidance or tank it til they leave. In this scenario they taught themselves a way to stop the bullies and without guidance they made a horrific decision. Without somebody to help them, nobody could call them out, and because they had eachother they could hotbox their ideas until they were high on seeking revenge.

While this may not be the case, it's entirely possible this occurred for them. There are logical avenues to come to the conclusion of "kill the enemy".

umm no not unless you have a real reason to think your life is in danger.

when I said the "legit crime" thing I meant you can actually have them arrested over it, much more easily at least, its the only thing that kept shit like bullies attack people from happening in my school. but my school also had the fucked up rule that if you fought back you could also be arrested. basically if a fight happened both got cuffed even if one was in self defense.

once again though if your life is not in immediate danger, you have no good reason to kill someone.
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bullying scars you for life
i wake up with that flight feeling every single day because my friends dropped me to hang out with other people so I have nothing to look forward to other than death lol it sounds funny but when you wake up humiliated by a different ghost for years and decades it becomes a part of your thought process. I litterally wake up remember being bullied everyday. Play video games remember being bullied do homework remember being bullied etc.
the only time I'm not being bullied is when I'm on drugs but then they wear off and the voices come to tell me i hate myself
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I wasnt a loner until I was in my mid-twenties and just stopped caring about doing anything. I had a pretty active social life until I killed it intentionally.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

umm no not unless you have a real reason to think your life is in danger.

As I already addressed:

1) That's from a calm, moralistic view point, and;
2) They may have felt their life was in danger.

mooreandrew58 posted...

when I said the "legit crime" thing I meant you can actually have them arrested over it

You can have them arrested over it, on the street. It's not more illegal in the public eye but the police are expected to respond.

mooreandrew58 posted...

much more easily at least

It's easier to be arrested for a bar fight than rape, does that make rape not a "legit crime"? Your line of reasoning isn't consistent.

mooreandrew58 posted...

its the only thing that kept shit like bullies attack people from happening in my school.

Or because your school's bullies had some kind of ethics, that they couldn't justify to themselves crossing that line.

mooreandrew58 posted...

but my school also had the fucked up rule that if you fought back you could also be arrested. basically if a fight happened both got cuffed even if one was in self defense.

Yeah, no, that's not how the law works. The school can penalise both parties with suspensions and whatnot but if the police is involved, you are dealt with as the law dictates, which means no arrest for self-defence.

mooreandrew58 posted...

once again though if your life is not in immediate danger, you have no good reason to kill someone.

See above.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

umm no not unless you have a real reason to think your life is in danger.

As I already addressed:

1) That's from a calm, moralistic view point, and;
2) They may have felt their life was in danger.

mooreandrew58 posted...

when I said the "legit crime" thing I meant you can actually have them arrested over it

You can have them arrested over it, on the street. It's not more illegal in the public eye but the police are expected to respond.

mooreandrew58 posted...

much more easily at least

It's easier to be arrested for a bar fight than rape, does that make rape not a "legit crime"? Your line of reasoning isn't consistent.

mooreandrew58 posted...

its the only thing that kept shit like bullies attack people from happening in my school.

Or because your school's bullies had some kind of ethics, that they couldn't justify to themselves crossing that line.

mooreandrew58 posted...

but my school also had the fucked up rule that if you fought back you could also be arrested. basically if a fight happened both got cuffed even if one was in self defense.

Yeah, no, that's not how the law works. The school can penalise both parties with suspensions and whatnot but if the police is involved, you are dealt with as the law dictates, which means no arrest for self-defence.

mooreandrew58 posted...

once again though if your life is not in immediate danger, you have no good reason to kill someone.

See above.

yeah no they didn't have ethics, I mean they fucking spit on me, in my face. the fact people did actually get arrested over fighting in that school i'm betting more played a role. it happend a few times. hell we had 10 cops show up over a food fight before. well not just the food fight. one girl flipped her shit and started raising hell. not attacking anyone though, but she came off as she might.. she did end up attacking a cop though. was hilarious, she swung missed and immediately had her face planted into the floor by said cop.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

yeah no they didn't have ethics, I mean they fucking spit on me, in my face.

Is spitting in someone's face the worst thing in the world according to your ethical scale? Because to me there's a long jump from being disrespectful and turning to violence, and I'm assuming they make some kind of distinction too.

mooreandrew58 posted...

the fact people did actually get arrested over fighting in that school i'm betting more played a role.

That school as in the school you went to or the topic school? In any case, in your school there was a boundary defined between violent and non-violent crimes. They had something stopping them doing physical harm to you, this is more an exception than a rule. This school was more likely to have not brought in police over violent crime.

mooreandrew58 posted...

it happend a few times. hell we had 10 cops show up over a food fight before. well not just the food fight. one girl flipped her shit and started raising hell. not attacking anyone though, but she came off as she might.. she did end up attacking a cop though. was hilarious, she swung missed and immediately had her face planted into the floor by said cop.

It sounds like violence got out of control in your school so the school couldn't opt out of punishing violence without dire consequences from the community. As above, exception, not rule.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

yeah no they didn't have ethics, I mean they fucking spit on me, in my face.

Is spitting in someone's face the worst thing in the world according to your ethical scale? Because to me there's a long jump from being disrespectful and turning to violence, and I'm assuming they make some kind of distinction too.

mooreandrew58 posted...

the fact people did actually get arrested over fighting in that school i'm betting more played a role.

That school as in the school you went to or the topic school? In any case, in your school there was a boundary defined between violent and non-violent crimes. They had something stopping them doing physical harm to you, this is more an exception than a rule. This school was more likely to have not brought in police over violent crime.

mooreandrew58 posted...

it happend a few times. hell we had 10 cops show up over a food fight before. well not just the food fight. one girl flipped her shit and started raising hell. not attacking anyone though, but she came off as she might.. she did end up attacking a cop though. was hilarious, she swung missed and immediately had her face planted into the floor by said cop.

It sounds like violence got out of control in your school so the school couldn't opt out of punishing violence without dire consequences from the community. As above, exception, not rule.

I mean didn't live their my whole life but people didn't seem more violent than anywhere else I lived. they just had a strict school system. it worked though I went to schools where all sorts of shit happened and gotten away with because the school simply didn't seem to give a fuck.

no spitting isn't the worse thing a person can do. but its pretty up there if not counting being physically attacked. i'd rather take verbal abuse all day everyday than be spat on.

you keep mentioning maybe they where being physically assaulted. first off do you have proof they where, I highly doubt any school system will sit idly by while a kid gets assaulted constantly, and two still not a reason to kill someone. especially coming back and doing it later. let someone hit several times over the course of a period of time you then go kill them on a day they hadn't touched you yet and see how that works out for you in the court system.

i'm done you aren't worth arguing with anymore at this point. seriously there is no justifying mass murdering people for any reason. but I apparently ain't gonna convince you, and trust me not a damn thing you can say will convince me
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mooreandrew58 posted...

it worked though I went to schools where all sorts of shit happened and gotten away with because the school simply didn't seem to give a fuck.

That defends my point, other places weren't as well off as yours. You were not in their size shoes, much as right-wingers don't necessarily understand radical right.

mooreandrew58 posted...

no spitting isn't the worse thing a person can do. but its pretty up there if not counting being physically attacked. i'd rather take verbal abuse all day everyday than be spat on.

And they may have rather took being spat on than physical violence, you don't actually know. Sane until proven insane.

mooreandrew58 posted...

you keep mentioning maybe they where being physically assaulted. first off do you have proof they where

I don't need to prove doubt, I just need a route that defies the idea that could have occurred. It might be that they weren't hit, and they might be certifiably insane but you don't have proof of that either. Considering how very few people are outright devoid of reason, it's more reasonable to assume sane than brushing them off as insane and not seeking to solve any causes.

mooreandrew58 posted...

I highly doubt any school system will sit idly by while a kid gets assaulted constantly

You just said your school was unique to your area regarding violence, why do you doubt your own eyes?

mooreandrew58 posted...

two still not a reason to kill someone.

During the crusades people killed other people who weren't harming anybody, but they weren't deemed as insane. They had reason for their action, even though we see it as abhorrent. Your morality isn't the reference point for insanity, it's based on rational cause and effect, that doing x can cause y and yes, blowing up a school of bullies would logically stop bullying, it's just monsterous and we don't deem the action right.

mooreandrew58 posted...

let someone hit several times over the course of a period of time you then go kill them on a day they hadn't touched you yet and see how that works out for you in the court system.

Nobody is arguing what they did was legal or right, just that it probably wasn't insanity.

mooreandrew58 posted...

i'm done you aren't worth arguing with anymore at this point. seriously there is no justifying mass murdering people for any reason. but I apparently ain't gonna convince you, and trust me not a damn thing you can say will convince me

"Waaa, everybody who doesn't think like me is insane, why is everybody so insane? While nobody in the world has the same moral boundaries as me so only I'm sane, clearly the issue is you, not me."
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

"Waaa, everybody who doesn't think like me is insane, why is everybody so insane? While nobody in the world has the same moral boundaries as me so only I'm sane, clearly the issue is you, not me."

now you are just being asinine. I never once stated everyone who thinks differently than me is insane. just anyone who thinks mass murder is an appropriate response is.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

I never once stated everyone who thinks differently than me is insane. just anyone who thinks mass murder is an appropriate response is.

What you stated was:

mooreandrew58 posted...

if your life is not in immediate danger, you have no good reason to kill someone.

Which equates to "This is my perspective, doing differently is no good reason." and:

mooreandrew58 posted...

anyone who thinks shooting/bombing people just cause they where bullied (talking involving potentially all those innocent as well) have some screws loose in their head.

They did differently and you named these people as "having some screws loose in their head". Ergo, they had a different perspective so they had no good reason which means they had a screw loose. This can be shortened to "They had a different perspective so they're insane.".

Nobody is disagreeing that they acted inappropriately, but you said they were insane.

It's one to say "They acted outside my sensibilities so I think they're inappropriate." and another to say "They acted outside my sensibilities so they are insane.".
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mooreandrew58 posted...

i'm done you aren't worth arguing with anymore at this point. seriously there is no justifying mass murdering people for any reason. but I apparently ain't gonna convince you, and trust me not a damn thing you can say will convince me

I don't think anyone is trying to justify the actual act of mass murder. I think Kyuubi is trying to understand the situation from these bullied kids' point of view and how it was justified to them. A normal person would never justify mass murder, but if pushed to a limit, anyone can feel like they have the right to kill. Why do you think people enjoy revenge movies like Taken? From the outsider's perspective, this guy is a fucking loon just killing everyone left and right. But as the person watching the film, you have an idea of why Liam Neeson's character is going on a huge murderous rampage, so it is "justified" in that sense.

No one here knows how much bullying these two went through, but clearly it was enough to set them off. It probably wasn't just a couple of days here and there, it was probably years and years. It's not unheard of for kids at a young age to be bullied for all of their schooling years (I kind of was to a much lesser extent). And when being bullied is all you feel you're good for, and you have no social circle, and maybe you have some family issues or a lack of outside support, sounds like a perfect storm for developing antisocial behavior and doing counter-cultural things.

So no, bullying does not cause mass murder. But bullying kids who have no one to turn to for support and have endured this for the majority of their life certainly can create the opportunity for mass murder.
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Super_Thug44 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

i'm done you aren't worth arguing with anymore at this point. seriously there is no justifying mass murdering people for any reason. but I apparently ain't gonna convince you, and trust me not a damn thing you can say will convince me

I don't think anyone is trying to justify the actual act of mass murder. I think Kyuubi is trying to understand the situation from these bullied kids' point of view and how it was justified to them. A normal person would never justify mass murder, but if pushed to a limit, anyone can feel like they have the right to kill. Why do you think people enjoy revenge movies like Taken? From the outsider's perspective, this guy is a fucking loon just killing everyone left and right. But as the person watching the film, you have an idea of why Liam Neeson's character is going on a huge murderous rampage, so it is "justified" in that sense.

No one here knows how much bullying these two went through, but clearly it was enough to set them off. It probably wasn't just a couple of days here and there, it was probably years and years. It's not unheard of for kids at a young age to be bullied for all of their schooling years (I kind of was to a much lesser extent). And when being bullied is all you feel you're good for, and you have no social circle, and maybe you have some family issues or a lack of outside support, sounds like a perfect storm for developing antisocial behavior and doing counter-cultural things.

So no, bullying does not cause mass murder. But bullying kids who have no one to turn to for support and have endured this for the majority of their life certainly can create the opportunity for mass murder.

all I was trying to get it, is they had some loose screws. even if said bullying is what caused it which I stated with my "temporary insanity" comment. I practically admitted to they could have been normal before but pushed to a breaking point.

and in a way I understand that. i've been pushed to a breaking point before, but managed to not go over that edge because I did have someone to notice sit me down talk and give support. though I didn't plan a mass murder or anything. but it still would have been something really bad. (though me being pushed to my point wasn't bullying. just being a really shitty life situation period)
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Wonder why the TC didn't list their race...?