Poll of the Day > Hammers, axes, and other tools to be used to test the border wall prototypes.

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WastelandCowboy
10/27/17 11:39:32 PM
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https://www.mail.com/news/politics/8039524-hammers-axes-will-help-test-trump-border-wall-prot.html

SAN DIEGO (AP) The U.S. government announced Thursday that prototypes for President Donald Trump's proposed border wall with Mexico have been completed and will be subjected to punishment to test their mettle by workers wielding sledgehammers, torches, pickaxes and battery-operated tools.

The testing lasting up to two months could lead to officials concluding that elements of several designs should be merged to create effective walls, said Ronald Vitiello, U.S. Customs and Border Protection's acting deputy commissioner. That raises the possibility of no winner or winners.

Results of the testing will dictate future wall construction, which has not yet been funded by Congress. The testing won't start for at least a month because some concrete in the wall prototypes still needs to dry.

Vitiello told reporters that workers during the 30-60 day testing period will try to answer basic questions: "Can it be climbed? Can it be dug under? Can it withstand cutting tools?" Here are some questions and answers about the border wall project.

WHY WERE THE PROTOTYPES BUILT? The U.S. currently has 654 miles (1,052 kilometers) of single-layer fence along the 1,954-mile (3,143-kilometer) border, plus 51 miles (82 kilometers) of double- and triple-layer fence. This summer, the government picked six companies to build models to guide future construction.

Each model is spaced about 30 feet (9.1 meters) apart a few steps from a fence made from old steel airstrip landing mats separating San Diego from Tijuana, Mexico. Contractors were awarded between $300,000 and $500,000 for each model and had a month to build them.

W.G. Yates & Sons Construction Co. of Philadelphia, Mississippi, and Caddell Construction Co. of Montgomery, Alabama, built one concrete model and one of other materials. Texas Sterling Construction Co. a unit of Sterling Construction Co., and Fisher Sand & Gravel Co. of Tempe, Arizona, did concrete designs.

ELTA North America Inc., part of state-run Israel Aerospace Industries, and KWR Construction Inc. of Sierra Vista, Arizona, built models from other materials.

WHAT DO THE PROTYPES LOOK LIKE? Each reaches the maximum allowed height of 30 feet (9.1 meters) or close significantly higher than existing walls. Vitiello said the height was what struck him most on his tour Thursday.

The concrete walls are solid, preventing agents from seeing through them and into Mexico. Others are made of thick metal poles. Some are topped by round tubes, which are less vulnerable to grappling hooks than sharp edges.

One requirement is for the walls to be "aesthetically pleasing" from the U.S. side. ELTA's solid metal wall features six light blue squares with white trim on the bottom third, topped by dark blue beams and metal plates.

Texas Sterling's has a gray surface stamped with patterns of different-sized bricks, like driveways or sidewalks for upscale homes. There is a steel plate on top with prongs that feature three metal spikes, resembling an agave plant.

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WastelandCowboy
10/27/17 11:40:00 PM
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WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? Trump has asked Congress for $1.6 billion for the first installment of his wall. It would replace 14 miles (22.4 kilometers) in San Diego and build 60 miles (96 kilometers) in Texas' Rio Grande Valley, the busiest corridor for illegal crossings.

It's unclear to what extent Trump will weigh in on the selection, and Vitiello said he didn't know if the president will visit the site. Trump has expressed interest in including solar panels, which are not part of any of the prototypes.

Three lawsuits one filed by California's Democratic attorney general, Xavier Becerra seek to block construction, claiming the administration overstepped its authority by waiving environmental reviews and other laws.

A hearing on the administration request to dismiss the lawsuits is scheduled Feb. 9 before U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, a target of Trump's enduring scorn for his handling of complaints against the now-defunct Trump University.
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green dragon
10/27/17 11:44:29 PM
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can this wall possibly be built during trump's first (and possibly only ) term?

Like, what happens when the wall still isn't built, and a new president (and new congress members), who doesn't want the wall, wants it gone? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money?
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WastelandCowboy
10/27/17 11:48:52 PM
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green dragon posted...
can this wall possibly be built during trump's first (and possibly only ) term?

Like, what happens when the wall still isn't built, and a new president (and new congress members), who doesn't want the wall, wants it gone? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money?

If that were to happen, it'd probably be dismantled and used for construction jobs elsewhere or sold off to the highest bidder. I'm sure people will pay an arm and a leg for a segment of "Trump's wall".
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Kyuubi4269
10/27/17 11:52:19 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
green dragon posted...
can this wall possibly be built during trump's first (and possibly only ) term?

Like, what happens when the wall still isn't built, and a new president (and new congress members), who doesn't want the wall, wants it gone? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money?

If that were to happen, it'd probably be dismantled and used for construction jobs elsewhere or sold off to the highest bidder. I'm sure people will pay an arm and a leg for a segment of "Trump's wall".

I think it's more likely they'll just ignore it.
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dainkinkaide
10/27/17 11:52:45 PM
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Are they also going to test them against boats?
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Zeus
10/28/17 12:06:16 AM
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tbh, I had always hoped we'd get something along the lines of the Great Wall of China. Most of the wall models are kinda eh. The only design that seems kinda neat was the corridor one.

green dragon posted...
can this wall possibly be built during trump's first (and possibly only ) term?

Like, what happens when the wall still isn't built, and a new president (and new congress members), who doesn't want the wall, wants it gone? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money?


I can't imagine you could do a project of that scale during a single term.
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wwinterj25
10/28/17 12:11:05 AM
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Time to hire these guys:

Zh7ecHz
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Kyuubi4269
10/28/17 12:13:12 AM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Time to hire these guys:

Zh7ecHz

Red phantoms? Use Dried Fingers.
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kind9
10/28/17 5:28:39 AM
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dainkinkaide posted...
Are they also going to test them against boats?

They might also want to test the ground beneath with shovels.
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Lokarin
10/28/17 5:32:01 AM
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This wall will protect against cartel planes, smuggling tunnels and drug boats... right?
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BTB
10/28/17 6:48:52 AM
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green dragon
10/28/17 7:09:10 AM
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Zeus posted...
I can't imagine you could do a project of that scale during a single term

I mean, I think it's possible, but yeah, I doubt it would finish in one term, which was kinda my point. Let's say the wall starts to get built during trump's first and only term. Will they stop constriction when a new president and Congress are elected?

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Red phantoms? Use Dried Fingers

I kinda love you for that comment
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Foppe
10/28/17 7:41:48 AM
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Waitwaitwait...
They are solid with no peeping holes?
I thought Trump wanted peeping holes to prevent people from getting injured by drugs thrown over the wall...
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kind9
10/28/17 8:01:59 AM
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We need 3 more walls, a roof, and a basement.
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lihlih
10/28/17 9:32:51 AM
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green dragon posted...
can this wall possibly be built during trump's first (and possibly only ) term?

Like, what happens when the wall still isn't built, and a new president (and new congress members), who doesn't want the wall, wants it gone? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money?


We elected Reagan twice and George W Bush twice, I'm sure Trump will get a second term.
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Foppe
10/28/17 9:40:02 AM
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Trump says that he needs four more years to make America great again, and that everybody works against him, and then the US citizens will give him another term.
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darkknight109
10/28/17 12:05:06 PM
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I wonder how they'll do against expired Visas...
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Foppe
10/28/17 12:07:37 PM
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Throw them over the wall?
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Broken_Zeus
10/29/17 12:51:24 PM
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green dragon posted...
Zeus posted...
I can't imagine you could do a project of that scale during a single term

I mean, I think it's possible, but yeah, I doubt it would finish in one term, which was kinda my point. Let's say the wall starts to get built during trump's first and only term. Will they stop constriction when a new president and Congress are elected?


Depends on the president. Some presidents are okay with continuing a previous president's project as a sign of respect even if they disagree with it, others continue it because they agree, some cancel it because they disagree, and some cancel projects merely to virtue-signal.

lihlih posted...
green dragon posted...
can this wall possibly be built during trump's first (and possibly only ) term?

Like, what happens when the wall still isn't built, and a new president (and new congress members), who doesn't want the wall, wants it gone? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money?


We elected Reagan twice and George W Bush twice, I'm sure Trump will get a second term.


Reagan was a massively popular president, making your comparison a weird one. Reagan won reelection with 525 electoral votes. Bill Clinton only won reelection with 379 and Obama only had 332.
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EvilMegas
10/29/17 12:54:16 PM
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BTB posted...
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I expected it but that killed me.
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Broken_Zeus
10/29/17 1:05:30 PM
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EvilMegas posted...
BTB posted...
https://poetluckerate.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/koolaid.jpg

I expected it but that killed me.


idk, kinda needs a sombrero.
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Blightzkrieg
10/29/17 1:40:59 PM
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"ay si papa"
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