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MalcolmMasher 11/04/17 4:21:01 PM #101:	It should not be law enforcements job to literally tell people to not talk/confess. It seems like people in here want cops to basically sit suspects down and go Now hold on. Before you say anything, repeat after me: I want a lawyer. Okay, good. Now we cant talk to you. You are, I hope, aware that American police absolutely do have a legal requirement to inform the suspect that he doesn't have to talk to them. "You have the right to remain silent" is how it's normally phrased. They also have a legal requirement to obtain counsel for the defendant at his request, since they're hardly going to let the suspect leave their custody and find one himself, and this is true even though that counsel's first piece of advice for the suspect is generally going to be "Stop talking to the police, immediately". So, yes, the police absolutely do have legal obligations to do things that make their job harder. That's why it's important that cases like this one be subjected to scrutiny; the people 'on the spot' who are deciding whether it's a real request for a lawyer have built-in incentives to decide that it is not. Edit: And if the suspect has to say "Begin request: I would like a lawyer. End request", verbatim, in order to secure his right to a counsel, then someone needs to tell him so, and the only "someone" guaranteed to be on site are the police. So if we're deciding that suspects must be clear, succinct, and explicit when requesting counsel or the police are free to disregard that request, then the police now have a new responsibility to inform the suspect of that requirement. --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:889756384] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>It should not be law enforcements job to literally tell people to not talk/confess. It seems like people in here want cops to basically sit suspects down and go Now hold on. Before you say anything, repeat after me: I want a lawyer. Okay, good. Now we cant talk to you. You are, I hope, aware that American police absolutely do have a legal requirement to inform the suspect that he doesn't have to talk to them. "You have the right to remain silent" is how it's normally phrased. They also have a legal requirement to obtain counsel for the defendant at his request, since they're hardly going to let the suspect leave their custody and find one himself, and this is true even though that counsel's first piece of advice for the suspect is generally going to be "Stop talking to the police, immediately". So, yes, the police absolutely do have legal obligations to do things that make their job harder. That's why it's important that cases like this one be subjected to scrutiny; the people 'on the spot' who are deciding whether it's a real request for a lawyer have built-in incentives to decide that it is not. Edit: And if the suspect has to say "Begin request: I would like a lawyer. End request", verbatim, in order to secure his right to a counsel, then someone needs to tell him so, and the only "someone" guaranteed to be on site are the police. So if we're deciding that suspects must be clear, succinct, and explicit when requesting counsel or the police are free to disregard that request, then the police now have a new responsibility to inform the suspect of that requirement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 11/04/17 5:09:00 PM #102:	MalcolmMasher posted... You are, I hope, aware that American police absolutely do have a legal requirement to inform the suspect that he doesn't have to talk to them. "You have the right to remain silent" is how it's normally phrased. Wow. I'm gonna stop right there because you sure cherry picked what to read from my post. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:889758847] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>MalcolmMasher posted...</cite> <quote>You are, I hope, aware that American police absolutely do have a legal requirement to inform the suspect that he doesn't have to talk to them. "You have the right to remain silent" is how it's normally phrased. </quote> Wow. I'm gonna stop right there because you sure cherry picked what to read from my post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 11/04/17 7:01:15 PM #103:	I'm not going to jump into this whole thing, but: Lopen posted... Innocent men have nothing to fear by this law in and of itself, because an innocent man won't confess a crime they didn't commit without some major corruption in the process You are wrong. You are objectively, heinously wrong. Please fix this. (also: one of the Miranda rights is to inform the accused that they have a right to an attorney: The Miranda ruling says ...The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he/she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he/she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he/she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent him/her. so let's not pretend otherwise, eh?) --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:889764610] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>I'm not going to jump into this whole thing, but: <cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Innocent men have nothing to fear by this law in and of itself, because an innocent man won't confess a crime they didn't commit without some major corruption in the process</quote> You are wrong. You are objectively, heinously wrong. Please fix this. (also: one of the Miranda rights is to inform the accused that they have a right to an attorney: <cite>The Miranda ruling says</cite> <quote> ...The person in custody must, prior to interrogation, be clearly informed that he/she has the right to remain silent, and that anything the person says will be used against that person in court; the person must be clearly informed that he/she has the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if he/she is indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent him/her. </quote> so let's not pretend otherwise, eh?)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 11/04/17 7:38:11 PM #104:	dowolf posted... so let's not pretend otherwise, eh?) Holy crap literally nobody is doing this --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:889766471] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>so let's not pretend otherwise, eh?)</quote> Holy crap literally nobody is doing this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 11/04/17 7:48:34 PM #105:	Considering there's no dispute whether his miranda rights were read, he was told he had the right to remain silent, and then kept talking. --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:889766999] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Considering there's no dispute whether his miranda rights were read, he was told he had the right to remain silent, and then kept talking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 11/04/17 7:51:15 PM #106:	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-environment-adviser-air-too-clean-pollution-good-health-pruitt-phalen-a8033881.html --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:889767147] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-environment-adviser-air-too-clean-pollution-good-health-pruitt-phalen-a8033881.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/04/17 9:59:28 PM #107:	dowolf posted... You are wrong. You are objectively, heinously wrong. Please fix this. I would like an example of a situation that would cause someone to confess to a crime they didn't commit without corruption in the process Keeping in mind that coercion and the suspect being in a mentally unfit state to answer questions alone would be corruptions in the process --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:889773580] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>You are wrong. You are objectively, heinously wrong. Please fix this.</quote> I would like an example of a situation that would cause someone to confess to a crime they didn't commit without corruption in the process Keeping in mind that coercion and the suspect being in a mentally unfit state to answer questions alone would be corruptions in the process</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 11/05/17 12:47:46 AM #108:	I don't even know what you're arguing. "Major corruption" implies to me an accusation that cops are using dirty tactics, but that's not the root problem here. Are you saying that, if the legal system were working perfectly, an innocent man would never have anything to fear? Because of course that's true, and of course that's not the world we live in. We live in a world where many do not get adequate defense, where there is strong incentive to take a plea bargain rather than attempt to win a fight they have no guarantee they can win, and where the penalty for failure is immense. In a perfect world, of course, going to trial when innocent is a foolproof strategy; in reality, that is often foolhardy. This isn't a hypothetical. This is an actual outcome that has actually happened to actual Americans, and your professed ignorance to it is terrifying. There is a list of confessions a mile wrong that have been, say, overturned by DNA evidence. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:889785190] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>I don't even know what you're arguing. "Major corruption" implies to me an accusation that cops are using dirty tactics, but that's not the root problem here. Are you saying that, if the legal system were working perfectly, an innocent man would never have anything to fear? Because of course that's true, and of course that's not the world we live in. We live in a world where many do not get adequate defense, where there is strong incentive to take a plea bargain rather than attempt to win a fight they have no guarantee they can win, and where the penalty for failure is immense. In a perfect world, of course, going to trial when innocent is a foolproof strategy; in reality, that is often foolhardy. This isn't a hypothetical. This is an actual outcome that has actually happened to actual Americans, and your professed ignorance to it is terrifying. There is a list of confessions a mile wrong that have been, say, overturned by DNA evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 11/05/17 12:56:45 AM #109:	Relevant to the current discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:889785540] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Relevant to the current discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 11/05/17 1:07:35 AM #110:	Like, The Innocence Project writes, Sometimes law enforcement use harsh interrogation tactics with uncooperative suspects. But some police officers, convinced of a suspects guilt, occasionally use tactics so persuasive that an innocent person feels compelled to confess. For instance, it is perfectly legal for law enforcement to employ deception or trickery in the interrogation room. Some suspects are untruthfully told that there is already evidence pointing to their guilt, such as a forensic test that links the suspect to the crime. Some suspects have confessed to avoid physical harm or discomfort. Others are told they will be convicted with or without a confession and that their sentence will be more lenient if they confess. Some are told a confession is the only way to avoid the death penalty. These tactics can be persuasive in eliciting a false confession. Perfectly legal, all of it, no "corruption in the process," and now innocent people have confessed. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:889785910] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Like, <cite>The Innocence Project writes,</cite> <quote> Sometimes law enforcement use harsh interrogation tactics with uncooperative suspects. But some police officers, convinced of a suspects guilt, occasionally use tactics so persuasive that an innocent person feels compelled to confess. For instance, it is perfectly legal for law enforcement to employ deception or trickery in the interrogation room. Some suspects are untruthfully told that there is already evidence pointing to their guilt, such as a forensic test that links the suspect to the crime. Some suspects have confessed to avoid physical harm or discomfort. Others are told they will be convicted with or without a confession and that their sentence will be more lenient if they confess. Some are told a confession is the only way to avoid the death penalty. These tactics can be persuasive in eliciting a false confession.</quote> Perfectly legal, all of it, no "corruption in the process," and now innocent people have confessed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/05/17 1:28:17 AM #111:	dowolf posted... I don't even know what you're arguing. "Major corruption" implies to me an accusation that cops are using dirty tactics, but that's not the root problem here. Are you saying that, if the legal system were working perfectly, an innocent man would never have anything to fear? Because of course that's true, and of course that's not the world we live in. We live in a world where many do not get adequate defense, where there is strong incentive to take a plea bargain rather than attempt to win a fight they have no guarantee they can win, and where the penalty for failure is immense. In a perfect world, of course, going to trial when innocent is a foolproof strategy; in reality, that is often foolhardy. This isn't a hypothetical. This is an actual outcome that has actually happened to actual Americans, and your professed ignorance to it is terrifying. There is a list of confessions a mile wrong that have been, say, overturned by DNA evidence. Don't want to touch the rest of the conversation but this is all 100% true --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:889786694] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>I don't even know what you're arguing. "Major corruption" implies to me an accusation that cops are using dirty tactics, but that's not the root problem here. Are you saying that, if the legal system were working perfectly, an innocent man would never have anything to fear? Because of course that's true, and of course that's not the world we live in. We live in a world where many do not get adequate defense, where there is strong incentive to take a plea bargain rather than attempt to win a fight they have no guarantee they can win, and where the penalty for failure is immense. In a perfect world, of course, going to trial when innocent is a foolproof strategy; in reality, that is often foolhardy. This isn't a hypothetical. This is an actual outcome that has actually happened to actual Americans, and your professed ignorance to it is terrifying. There is a list of confessions a mile wrong that have been, say, overturned by DNA evidence.</quote> Don't want to touch the rest of the conversation but this is all 100% true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/05/17 1:40:57 AM #112:	dowolf posted... Some suspects are untruthfully told that there is already evidence pointing to their guilt, such as a forensic test that links the suspect to the crime. Some suspects have confessed to avoid physical harm or discomfort. Others are told they will be convicted with or without a confession and that their sentence will be more lenient if they confess. Some are told a confession is the only way to avoid the death penalty. These tactics can be persuasive in eliciting a false confession. Imo a lot of that stuff isn't really above the table and would count as corruption in the process, though, whether it's technically allowed by the law is another thing. Like your boogeyman should be that stuff being allowed as standard more than anything, cause that kinda stuff is basically coercion. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:889787101] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>Some suspects are untruthfully told that there is already evidence pointing to their guilt, such as a forensic test that links the suspect to the crime. Some suspects have confessed to avoid physical harm or discomfort. Others are told they will be convicted with or without a confession and that their sentence will be more lenient if they confess. Some are told a confession is the only way to avoid the death penalty. These tactics can be persuasive in eliciting a false confession.</quote> Imo a lot of that stuff isn't really above the table and would count as corruption in the process, though, whether it's technically allowed by the law is another thing. Like your boogeyman should be that stuff being allowed as standard more than anything, cause that kinda stuff is basically coercion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 11/05/17 3:01:01 AM #113:	Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:889789110] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 11/05/17 3:03:41 AM #114:	LordoftheMorons posted... Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income. TAX CUTS <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:889789171] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income.</quote> TAX CUTS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 11/05/17 3:19:02 AM #115:	Based on the numbers I saw my taxes would go up by a little over $1000 a year after factoring in the increased standard deduction. Luckily I go to a public school where the up until now meaningless tuition number is fairly low. Apparently if I went to MIT (chosen as an example private school for the numbers given) my taxes would go up by like $9000 (note: graduate students make like $35000 at most, and many make quite a bit less than that) --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:889789471] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Based on the numbers I saw my taxes would go up by a little over $1000 a year after factoring in the increased standard deduction. Luckily I go to a public school where the up until now meaningless tuition number is fairly low. Apparently if I went to MIT (chosen as an example private school for the numbers given) my taxes would go up by like $9000 (note: graduate students make like $35000 at most, and many make quite a bit less than that)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 11/05/17 3:35:58 AM #116:	LordoftheMorons posted... Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income. Jesus christ. Just to put this in perspective for everyone else--if I'm interpretting this right then this means I would to be paying something like 45% of my income just to income tax when my actual income should be putting me in the 15% tax bracket. Well, actually that might not be the case for me since I think post-candidacy students have lower tuition? However if the proposed change had happened last year then that is what would have happened to me at any rate. --- Congratulations to BK_Sheikah00, this year's guru to achieve contest enlightenment! <cite>pyresword posted [p:889789823] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income.</quote> Jesus christ. Just to put this in perspective for everyone else--if I'm interpretting this right then this means I would to be paying something like 45% of my income just to income tax when my actual income should be putting me in the 15% tax bracket. Well, actually that might not be the case for me since I think post-candidacy students have lower tuition? However if the proposed change had happened last year then that is what would have happened to me at any rate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 11/05/17 9:53:48 AM #117:	LordoftheMorons posted... Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income. Mother fucker. WE'RE POOR ENOUGH ALREADY DAMMIT! --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:889797722] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Motherfucker I just found out that among the many other terrible things the GOP tax bill does, it also makes graduate tuition received in exchange for TAing/RAing taxable income.</quote> Mother fucker. WE'RE POOR ENOUGH ALREADY DAMMIT!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/05/17 10:47:00 AM #118:	BTW, there's breaking news that Mueller has enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn. Which, again, isn't much of a surprise because most of the info we've gotten about him seemed to suggest so from the moment he was dispatched from the administration. Interestingly enough, though, they're going after his son as well. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:889799774] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>BTW, there's breaking news that Mueller has enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn. Which, again, isn't much of a surprise because most of the info we've gotten about him seemed to suggest so from the moment he was dispatched from the administration. Interestingly enough, though, they're going after his son as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/05/17 10:57:44 AM #119:	https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-has-enough-evidence-bring-charges-flynn-investigation-n817666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Some interesting stuff about him trying to kidnap people, too. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:889800219] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-has-enough-evidence-bring-charges-flynn-investigation-n817666?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Some interesting stuff about him trying to kidnap people, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 11/05/17 10:59:05 AM #120:	Mueller going after the son in order to get Flynn's cooperation is ice cold. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:889800277] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Mueller going after the son in order to get Flynn's cooperation is ice cold.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/05/17 11:00:23 AM #121:	FFDragon posted... Mueller going after the son in order to get Flynn's cooperation is ice cold. Well I mean... Trump DID say that you have to get the families if you wanna stop terrorists. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:889800341] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>Mueller going after the son in order to get Flynn's cooperation is ice cold.</quote> Well I mean... Trump DID say that you have to get the families if you wanna stop terrorists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/05/17 11:02:36 AM #122:	FFDragon posted... Mueller going after the son in order to get Flynn's cooperation is ice cold. Well they worked closely together so it makes sense. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:889800449] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>Mueller going after the son in order to get Flynn's cooperation is ice cold.</quote> Well they worked closely together so it makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 11/05/17 11:10:18 AM #123:	TheRock1525 posted... BTW, there's breaking news that Mueller has enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn. Which, again, isn't much of a surprise because most of the info we've gotten about him seemed to suggest so from the moment he was dispatched from the administration. Interestingly enough, though, they're going after his son as well. I want the clip of him leading a LOCK HER UP chant to play nonstop wherever he ends up. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:889800818] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>BTW, there's breaking news that Mueller has enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn. Which, again, isn't much of a surprise because most of the info we've gotten about him seemed to suggest so from the moment he was dispatched from the administration. Interestingly enough, though, they're going after his son as well.</quote> I want the clip of him leading a LOCK HER UP chant to play nonstop wherever he ends up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/05/17 12:59:03 PM #124:	https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/11/05/national/politics-diplomacy/trump-said-japan-shot-overflying-north-korea-missiles/#.Wf9Q7dBOlnE The U.S. president said he could not understand why a country of samurai warriors did not shoot down the missiles, the sources said. H... Help... --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:889806214] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/11/05/national/politics-diplomacy/trump-said-japan-shot-overflying-north-korea-missiles/#.Wf9Q7dBOlnE <quote>The U.S. president said he could not understand why a country of samurai warriors did not shoot down the missiles, the sources said.</quote> H... Help...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/05/17 1:01:46 PM #125:	http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41859283 Maybe they can show them how they clean up that coal after they pull it out of the ground. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:889806376] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41859283 Maybe they can show them how they clean up that coal after they pull it out of the ground.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 11/05/17 1:15:42 PM #126:	Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect. --- Congrats to 2017 Guru champ BKSheikah! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:889807157] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 11/05/17 1:27:25 PM #127:	Xeybozn posted... Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect. Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:889807764] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect.</quote> Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 11/05/17 2:43:01 PM #128:	Secretary of commerce failed to disclose business relationships with Russia when being confirmed for his position: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/amp/leaked-documents-show-commerce-secretary-concealed-ties-putin-cronies-n817711 Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary in the Trump administration, shares business interests with Vladimir Putins immediate family, and he failed to clearly disclose those interests when he was being confirmed for his cabinet position. Ross a billionaire industrialist retains an interest in a shipping company, Navigator Holdings, that was partially owned by his former investment company. One of Navigators most important business relationships is with a Russian energy firm controlled, in turn, by Putins son-in-law and other members of the Russian presidents inner circle. Some of the details of Rosss continuing financial holdings much of which were not disclosed during his confirmation process are revealed in a trove of more than 7 million internal documents of Appleby, a Bermuda-based law firm, that was leaked to the German newspaper Sddeutsche Zeitung. The documents consist of emails, presentations and other electronic data. These were then shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists a global network that won the Pulitzer Prize this year for its work on the Panama Papers and its international media partners. From the same source that uncovered the Panama papers. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:889812258] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Secretary of commerce failed to disclose business relationships with Russia when being confirmed for his position: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/amp/leaked-documents-show-commerce-secretary-concealed-ties-putin-cronies-n817711 <quote>Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary in the Trump administration, shares business interests with Vladimir Putins immediate family, and he failed to clearly disclose those interests when he was being confirmed for his cabinet position. Ross a billionaire industrialist retains an interest in a shipping company, Navigator Holdings, that was partially owned by his former investment company. One of Navigators most important business relationships is with a Russian energy firm controlled, in turn, by Putins son-in-law and other members of the Russian presidents inner circle. Some of the details of Rosss continuing financial holdings much of which were not disclosed during his confirmation process are revealed in a trove of more than 7 million internal documents of Appleby, a Bermuda-based law firm, that was leaked to the German newspaper Sddeutsche Zeitung. The documents consist of emails, presentations and other electronic data. These were then shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists a global network that won the Pulitzer Prize this year for its work on the Panama Papers and its international media partners.</quote> From the same source that uncovered the Panama papers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/05/17 2:49:13 PM #129:	But Russia is a nothingburger because a couple of CNN commentators said so behind the scenes! --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:889812628] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>But Russia is a nothingburger because a couple of CNN commentators said so behind the scenes!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/05/17 2:54:30 PM #130:	dowolf posted... Xeybozn posted... Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect. Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well. After Saudi Arabia just today shot down a ballistic missile headed to their capital from Yemen with older US Patriot missile defense systems, I do not know how this could be said. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:889812965] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect.</quote> Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well.</quote> After Saudi Arabia just today shot down a ballistic missile headed to their capital from Yemen with older US Patriot missile defense systems, I do not know how this could be said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/05/17 3:20:17 PM #131:	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41880511 sigh Fucking...god fucking dammit... --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:889814707] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41880511 sigh Fucking...god fucking dammit...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 11/05/17 4:08:37 PM #132:	Terrible. =( --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:889817819] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Terrible. =(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/05/17 5:37:04 PM #133:	Awful. During service no less, when people feel more safe and watched over than usual --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:889823173] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Awful. During service no less, when people feel more safe and watched over than usual</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/05/17 7:04:06 PM #134:	Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:889828447] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transcience 11/05/17 7:16:40 PM #135:	I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the paradise papers. the cynical side of me thinks it's because it's not 100% about the trump/russia stuff (though some is, certainly the most reported even though THE QUEEN) https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth --- add the c and back away iphonesience <cite>transcience posted [p:889829320] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the paradise papers. the cynical side of me thinks it's because it's not 100% about the trump/russia stuff (though some is, certainly the most reported even though THE QUEEN) https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/05/17 7:22:56 PM #136:	TheRock1525 posted... Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun. Authorities revealed that a heroic citizen in the church grabbed his rifle and confronted the suspect, who was armed with a Ruger AR assault type rifle. The local citizen pursued the suspect, who ran off the road and crashed and was found deceased in his vehicle. We dont know if it was a self inflicted gunshot wound or if he was shot by our local resident who engaged him with gunfire, authorities said. It was the largest mass shooting in Texas history. Take with grain of salt. Not entirely confirmed by major outlets. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:889829726] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.</quote> Authorities revealed that a heroic citizen in the church grabbed his rifle and confronted the suspect, who was armed with a Ruger AR assault type rifle. The local citizen pursued the suspect, who ran off the road and crashed and was found deceased in his vehicle. We dont know if it was a self inflicted gunshot wound or if he was shot by our local resident who engaged him with gunfire, authorities said. It was the largest mass shooting in Texas history. Take with grain of salt. Not entirely confirmed by major outlets.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmDubyaSee 11/05/17 7:40:00 PM #137:	TheRock1525 posted... Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun. He would have stopped him if he had a hand gun like a normal person. --- Tom Bombadil: "you are probably the king of b8 dragonball fans at least!" <cite>EmDubyaSee posted [p:889830812] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.</quote> He would have stopped him if he had a hand gun like a normal person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 11/05/17 8:10:23 PM #138:	Corrik posted... dowolf posted... Xeybozn posted... Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect. Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well. After Saudi Arabia just today shot down a ballistic missile headed to their capital from Yemen with older US Patriot missile defense systems, I do not know how this could be said. Israel has also had incredible success. The difference between those two countries and the US will be obvious if you look at a map. Surface area complicates things significantly. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:889832677] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect.</quote> Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well.</quote> After Saudi Arabia just today shot down a ballistic missile headed to their capital from Yemen with older US Patriot missile defense systems, I do not know how this could be said.</quote> Israel has also had incredible success. The difference between those two countries and the US will be obvious if you look at a map. Surface area complicates things significantly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/05/17 10:08:02 PM #139:	Peace___Frog posted... Corrik posted... dowolf posted... Xeybozn posted... Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect. Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well. After Saudi Arabia just today shot down a ballistic missile headed to their capital from Yemen with older US Patriot missile defense systems, I do not know how this could be said. Israel has also had incredible success. The difference between those two countries and the US will be obvious if you look at a map. Surface area complicates things significantly. The whole setup is to get it on initial trajectories. Hence the aegis system off their coast basically. Makes it a lot easier that way. Area surface of United States only really applied at the last line of defense. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:889839307] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xeybozn posted...</cite> <quote>Someone really needs to tell Trump that shooting North Korean missiles down isn't really a viable plan at all. Our missile defense systems have only ever succeeded in tests where we already know all the data about the target missiles, and even in those they're not perfect.</quote> Are you sure? I would have assumed there would be adversarial testing of them as well.</quote> After Saudi Arabia just today shot down a ballistic missile headed to their capital from Yemen with older US Patriot missile defense systems, I do not know how this could be said.</quote> Israel has also had incredible success. The difference between those two countries and the US will be obvious if you look at a map. Surface area complicates things significantly.</quote> The whole setup is to get it on initial trajectories. Hence the aegis system off their coast basically. Makes it a lot easier that way. Area surface of United States only really applied at the last line of defense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/05/17 10:37:04 PM #140:	I wonder why CNN reported on SA shooting down the missile today and FoxNews never did. Usually FoxNews would be up on that quick. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:889840794] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>I wonder why CNN reported on SA shooting down the missile today and FoxNews never did. Usually FoxNews would be up on that quick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/06/17 5:18:46 AM #141:	One of Rand Pauls neighbors kicked his ass for as of now unknown reasons Rand has five rib fractures, including three displaced fractures and lung contusions I disavow violence against libertarians, and the aggressor should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of federal law But Lordy I hope there are tapes --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:889853647] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>One of Rand Pauls neighbors kicked his ass for as of now unknown reasons Rand has <quote>five rib fractures, including three displaced fractures and lung contusions</quote> I disavow violence against libertarians, and the aggressor should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of federal law But Lordy I hope there are tapes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 11/06/17 6:07:49 AM #142:	That sucks, get well soon. Not sure which upsets Rand more though, the ass-whipping or having been offered insurance to cover it. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:889854566] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>That sucks, get well soon. Not sure which upsets Rand more though, the ass-whipping or having been offered insurance to cover it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 11/06/17 9:39:55 AM #143:	TheRock1525 posted... Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun. Meanwhile, https://www.dallasnews.com/news/guns/2017/11/05/paxton-texans-guns-can-help-stop-mass-shootings --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:889860153] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Just read that another guy engaged him with a rifle of his own and failed to stop him. So much for a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.</quote> Meanwhile, https://www.dallasnews.com/news/guns/2017/11/05/paxton-texans-guns-can-help-stop-mass-shootings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 11/06/17 9:43:09 AM #144:	everyone remember to vote tomorrow --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:889860274] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>everyone remember to vote tomorrow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 11/06/17 10:06:23 AM #145:	What are the biggest elections for tomorrow? I think the AL race and one in VA...not sure what else. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:889861300] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>What are the biggest elections for tomorrow? I think the AL race and one in VA...not sure what else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 11/06/17 10:08:49 AM #146:	I get to vote to kill the horrifically inefficient and ineffective Dallas County Schools organization. Literally nobody outside Dallas County should care, but yeah. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:889861421] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>I get to vote to kill the horrifically inefficient and ineffective Dallas County Schools organization. Literally nobody outside Dallas County should care, but yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fedorafreak 11/06/17 10:11:44 AM #147:	Utah - Special House election to replace Jason Chaffetz in the Third Congressional District. New Jersey - Governor, state legislature and mayor Virginia - Governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general and state legislature New York - New York City mayor, city council and municipal offices. Statewide referendum. Maine - Statewide questions Ohio - Statewide ballot measure Georgia - Atlanta mayor --- acknowledge @SSBM_Guy as alt. pleased to report restoration of dapper account an overwhelming success. <cite>fedorafreak posted [p:889861546] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Utah - Special House election to replace Jason Chaffetz in the Third Congressional District. New Jersey - Governor, state legislature and mayor Virginia - Governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general and state legislature New York - New York City mayor, city council and municipal offices. Statewide referendum. Maine - Statewide questions Ohio - Statewide ballot measure Georgia - Atlanta mayor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 11/06/17 11:28:23 AM #148:	Virginia will be the biggest election from the looks of it. New Jersey is pretty big, but should go to the Democrats. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah for winning the guru <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:889865324] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Virginia will be the biggest election from the looks of it. New Jersey is pretty big, but should go to the Democrats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 11/06/17 11:31:07 AM #149:	Virginia is probably the one that gets the most press, yeah, just because it's close. Still, even if you don't have a larger election like governor, go vote for local stuff too. It makes a difference. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:889865469] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>Virginia is probably the one that gets the most press, yeah, just because it's close. Still, even if you don't have a larger election like governor, go vote for local stuff too. It makes a difference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 11/06/17 11:42:37 AM #150:	I need to find out where my voting place is... i moved a few months ago to a different area of the city. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:889866131] in Politics C... [t:75952529]...</cite> <quote>I need to find out where my voting place is... i moved a few months ago to a different area of the city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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