Current Events > Just 100%'d Super Mario Odyssey, AMA (also read my conspiracy theory about it)

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I think it goes without saying that there will be spoilers for the entirety of the game in this topic. We good? Good.

Honestly probably the best 3D Mario game there is, now. It's like really good. Everything leading up to the end was 9/10, and the postgame was 10/10. Peach's Castle, the 64 costume, the lobby, the courtyard, it all hit me like a ton of bricks. It's great. Just finished getting all 880 moons.

Anyway conspiracy theory about Sunshine:

When the game was revealed, this chart () was released by Nintendo to show that Odyssey was squarely in the same camp as 64 and Sunshine- a world-spanning adventure where you explore and collect. Throughout the game's prerelease cycle, we saw evidence of both Isle Delfino and the Mushroom Kingdom on the game's world maps ().

So what did we get in the full game in reference to the other two games in its Mario subgenre?

Well, for Mario 64, we got the Mushroom Kingdom jam packed with references. I'll list a few: Yoshi on top of the castle, Same castle lobby music, carpet, looking up into the sky, paintings and entrance sounds, a full faithful recreation of the courtyard from 64, full faithful recreations of both the 64 model of Mario and the metal cap version, Power Stars instead of Moons in the Kingdom complete with identical pickup sounds to 64, similar trees to 64 in the Kingdom, and possibly more that I can't even remember at the moment. Point is is they didn't really hold back- there's tons of Mario 64 stuff that tickles people with nostalgia for such things.

Now let's look at Sunshine.

Nothing. We got literally nothing Sunshine related in the entire game. Even the references to Delfino island on the world map were *removed completely*. It's simply not there. No characters, costumes, or anything of the sort. Why would they do this? The most damning absence, to me, is the lack of a Shine Sprite shirt. That was the first instance of a purely cosmetic character appearance change in any Main series Super Mario game, at least I think so. When they *literally* pulled costumes out of one-off commercial appearances (

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCwpeXPKJ7Q), it just doesn't make any damn sense for them to overlook something like this. So what's the deal?

I, like at least a few others, believe that Isle Delfino will be some sort of DLC, and all of this content was only partially finished or was not worked on in order to be used to greater effect as DLC down the line. I honestly can't think of a single reason as to why something like the Shine Sprite shirt wouldn't be in the game, other than it being saved for later, as DLC or promotional material or something like that.

Also, as evidence that at least *some* work was done in game in reference to Delfino, you can see here () that just northwest of the Mushroom kingdom, even though the texture for this area of the globe is still simply ocean, the normal mapping was never changed and light still reflects off of that particular patch of ocean as if Isle Delfino was still there. Go in game yourself and check it out if you don't believe me, it's a little easier to see in motion and not compressed in a screenshot or video.

So what do you think? Why do you think FLUDD, E. Gadd, Piantas, Nokis, Bowser Jr., Il Piantissimo, Cataquacks, durians, Shine Sprites, and goopy graffiti are all completely absent from Odyssey?
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how long was it
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

how long was it

There were 880 moons to collect. I don't have play time at the moment, the Switch is really dumb about it and I won't be able to see for a few more days. But I can assure you it was a good amount. I've played it a lot since release.
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bumpin
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Was the game racist towards Mexicans?
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alphagamerXXL posted...

Was the game racist towards Mexicans?

The only people who think it was racist against Mexicans are people who aren't Mexican
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Timohtep posted...

alphagamerXXL posted...

Was the game racist towards Mexicans?

The only people who think it was racist against Mexicans are people who aren't Mexican

Based on what exactly?
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Based on the fact that Mario can wear a poncho and sombrero and people cried cultural appropriation when literally everyone Mexican was like "that's awesome"
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Good morning ce
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How did you go about collecting the straggler moons? Used a guide online (if so, which one?) or use the toad/parrot in-game hints?
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was it really only 880? I was under the impression the final number was actually 999.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

How did you go about collecting the straggler moons? Used a guide online (if so, which one?) or use the toad/parrot in-game hints?

I used the parrot first and if that failed I used the toad.

Except for one moon in the Wooded kingdom which I looked up online: A Treasure Made of Coins.

Dumbest moon in the game by a fucking mile

CookieMarvin posted...

was it really only 880? I was under the impression the final number was actually 999.

It is. But there are 880 unique moons. In order to get 999 you would need to grind out 11900 coins to buy them from the store and tbh I don't want to do that. At least not now
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Jesus Christ I have to buy 119 moons?

At least these koopa races are netting me bank, I guess.
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How is that volleyball mini game? You get 100?
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CookieMarvin posted...

Jesus Christ I have to buy 119 moons?

At least these koopa races are netting me bank, I guess.

You get coins from those? I never did them after I got the moons.

GiftedACIII posted...

How is that volleyball mini game? You get 100?

I did it by playing as Cappy, got it first try. Seems like it would be almost impossible in one player.
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GiftedACIII posted...

How is that volleyball mini game? You get 100?

that 100 jump rope one can go straight to hell.

Timohtep posted...

I used the parrot first and if that failed I used the toad.

Except for one moon in the Wooded kingdom which I looked up online: A Treasure Made of Coins.

Dumbest moon in the game by a fucking mile

Super props, Timohtep. :) I want to do that to, stick to my in-game smarts, but man it's overwhelming. I have about 650 right now.
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where does it rank in difficulty of getting 100% in a mario game?
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Leanaunfurled posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

How is that volleyball mini game? You get 100?

that 100 jump rope one can go straight to hell.

Timohtep posted...

I used the parrot first and if that failed I used the toad.

Except for one moon in the Wooded kingdom which I looked up online: A Treasure Made of Coins.

Dumbest moon in the game by a fucking mile

Super props, Timohtep. :) I want to do that to, stick to my in-game smarts, but man it's overwhelming. I have about 650 right now.

Thanks yo. The parrot helps a ton, and combined with the toad makes it totally doable. 650 was where I was at just a couple days ago. You'll make it
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BignutzisBack posted...

where does it rank in difficulty of getting 100% in a mario game?

Way easier than Sunshine, a little harder than 64, easier than both galaxies. I think. Take those as you will. Game was a little too easy I'm.
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Ugh, DLC in my Mario games, no thanks.
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I hope this doesnt sound contentious or anything, but why do people think sms is hard all of a sudden? Has this always been the sentiment and I just wasnt paying attention?
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CookieMarvin posted...

I hope this doesnt sound contentious or anything, but why do people think sms is hard all of a sudden? Has this always been the sentiment and I just wasnt paying attention?

Finding all of the blue coins, Pachinko, that one shine on the far away island you have to ride Yoshi on the boats for, watermelon fest, the list goes on. It's not like, REALLY HARD, it's just on the more difficult end of the spectrum for a Mario game.
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Returning_CEmen posted...

Ugh, DLC in my Mario games, no thanks.

Why not? As long as it's priced fairly and has a lot of content, who cares?
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Timohtep posted...

Returning_CEmen posted...

Ugh, DLC in my Mario games, no thanks.

Why not? As long as it's priced fairly and has a lot of content, who cares?

Good point
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The part in the Seaside Kingdom where you capture one of the octopus enemies and clean up the lava felt like a Sunshine nod.
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Metua posted...

The part in the Seaside Kingdom where you capture one of the octopus enemies and clean up the lava felt like a Sunshine nod.

But what's a nod in a game that literally has a couple entire areas from SM64 with multiple costumes and DIRECT references to 64? A "nod" may as well mean nothing in a game that gives much bigger nods to really obscure shit like a single fucking commercial, for god's sake.
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Timohtep posted...

BignutzisBack posted...

where does it rank in difficulty of getting 100% in a mario game?

Way easier than Sunshine, a little harder than 64, easier than both galaxies. I think. Take those as you will. Game was a little too easy I'm.

Jesus f****** Christ why am I not surprised
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Timohtep posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

I hope this doesnt sound contentious or anything, but why do people think sms is hard all of a sudden? Has this always been the sentiment and I just wasnt paying attention?

Finding all of the blue coins, Pachinko, that one shine on the far away island you have to ride Yoshi on the boats for, watermelon fest, the list goes on. It's not like, REALLY HARD, it's just on the more difficult end of the spectrum for a Mario game.

Alright, that seems fair. some of those blue coins are difficult to acquire, and that pachinko machine is fundamentally broken.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

that 100 jump rope one can go straight to hell.

People had trouble with that? That shit was easy. Now volleyball? THAT can go straight to hell.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

that 100 jump rope one can go straight to hell.

People had trouble with that? That shit was easy. Now volleyball? THAT can go straight to hell.

I had a little bit of trouble with jump rope but it wasn't mind destroyingly hard or anything.
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100 volleyball can go 100% go straight to hell with no speed bumps.
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Good morning ce
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alphagamerXXL posted...

Was the game racist towards Mexicans?

No

Im Mexican and I fucking loved the level, the skulls, the music, holy crap. Between this and Coco its the first time weve gotten so much positive exposure. Nintendo did a really good job with it.

SerPounceAIot posted...

alphagamerXXL posted...

Was the game racist towards Mexicans?

No

Im Mexican and I fucking loved the level, the skulls, the music, holy crap. Between this and Coco its the first time weve gotten so much positive exposure. Nintendo did a really good job with it.

happy to hear that. I think "cultural appropriation" is a crock of shit.
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Timohtep posted...

Based on the fact that Mario can wear a poncho and sombrero and people cried cultural appropriation when literally everyone Mexican was like "that's awesome"

It's almost as though the people who always cry "cultural appropriation" do not even know what it actually means and what kind of cases would actually be offensive to the actual culture.
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There wasn't really any reference to Galaxy either.

I think they went heavy into 64 because it was marketed as a game returning to those roots.
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Darmik posted...

There wasn't really any reference to Galaxy either.

I think they went heavy into 64 because it was marketed as a game returning to those roots.

Yeah but Sunshine is explicitly in those same roots. Look at the chart. It doesn't make much sense.

Also there's a Rosalina pixel art, from what I hear, so it got at least one direct reference
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Darmik posted...

There wasn't really any reference to Galaxy either.

I think they went heavy into 64 because it was marketed as a game returning to those roots.

There was, sorta. When you go through the menu the Galaxy song plays.

I've got an important question.

If the shirt in question does appear in DLC, will you post of picture of yourself, dressed as Mario from Super Mario Sunshine, playing as Mario in Super Mario Odyssey, dressed as Mario from Super Mario Sunshine, in the Isle Delfino level?
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

I've got an important question.

If the shirt in question does appear in DLC, will you post of picture of yourself, dressed as Mario from Super Mario Sunshine, playing as Mario in Super Mario Odyssey, dressed as Mario from Super Mario Sunshine, in the Isle Delfino level?

I would love to, but FLUDD is currently super fucked up after PAX. Got really damaged and broken up
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Aww. Well, just wear the shirt then.
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You 100%'d the game in a week...isn't that pretty unimpressive? Even assuming you played 12 hours a day (which is a lot), that's still well less than 100 hours of gameplay.

Seems underwhelming tbh
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Muffinz0rz posted...

You 100%'d the game in a week...isn't that pretty unimpressive? Even assuming you played 12 hours a day (which is a lot), that's still well less than 100 hours of gameplay.

Seems underwhelming tbh

I didn't truly 100%. I'd have to grind coins forever to do that. Also I've 100%'d other games in far less time.

Also this is a platformer mang. Platformers have never taken this long for 100%.
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Timohtep posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

You 100%'d the game in a week...isn't that pretty unimpressive? Even assuming you played 12 hours a day (which is a lot), that's still well less than 100 hours of gameplay.

Seems underwhelming tbh

I didn't truly 100%. I'd have to grind coins forever to do that. Also I've 100%'d other games in far less time.

Also this is a platformer mang. Platformers have never taken this long for 100%.

So, topic title is a lie?
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CookieMarvin posted...

was it really only 880? I was under the impression the final number was actually 999.

I think it's less than 880, but after you beat the game you can buy duplicate moons (still need to buy 1 minimum from each kingdom to fill out 100%). So you have to collect all the moons, and then buy the rest up to 999 moons.
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Did you start experimenting with Mario's arsenal of moves in crazy ways to get places? I watched Mark Brown's video of the game and he showed off some pretty nifty tricks.
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Banjo2553 posted...

Did you start experimenting with Mario's arsenal of moves in crazy ways to get places? I watched Mark Brown's video of the game and he showed off some pretty nifty tricks.

I'm stumped on how to get on top of the wall in the inverted pyramid. The one where you ride a bullet bill through some scrolling pillars. If you look at the walls on either side there is some junk up there but I can't figure out how to get there.
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