Current Events > wow we in america have a lot of mass shootings

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like wow im reading through the wikis for the most deadly ones and i started crying lol. im such a bitch

holy shit virginia tech was so fuckin gnarly. so many people sacrificed their lives to save the students

and the dude was fucking 23. are you kidding me

A small acceptable price for the right to put a gun in the hands of every sick individual.
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There's one almost every day, we only hear about some of them
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Well, America also has lots of people, and more people you have more nut jobs you likely get too. Also, afaik, its also easy/ier to get hold of a gun in US.
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pinky0926 posted...

did we really try nothing? i seriously need to educate myself on this...

my god reading these makes me so mad and i cry angry tears. wtf why am i so emotional today

People die everyday, get over it. By the time I've typed this post and you've read it thousands of lives have ended. Gonna cry over those,too? It's just reality accept it or don't.
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It is very sad, but to keep it in perspective, more people will die this year due to not having healthcare in the US than in all mass shootings in the history of the nation.
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the most important thing to remember is that these shootings have nothing to do with guns, absolutely nothing at all. if people interested in mass shooting did not have access to firearms they would still commit these atrocities using a variety of swords and medieval weaponry, such as trebuchets.

its all about mental health, personally i believe we need more lunatic asylums and MORE guns, because as we all know the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have hundreds of good guys with guns in the crowd at the concert all open firing on the bad guy and shredding him to bits in a hailstorm of gunfire
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Sativa_Rose posted...

It is very sad, but to keep it in perspective, more people will die this year due to not having healthcare in the US than in all mass shootings in the history of the nation.

...so?

JustMyOpinion posted...

tremain07 posted...

People die everyday, get over it. By the time I've typed this post and you've read it thousands of lives have ended. Gonna cry over those,too? It's just reality accept it or don't.

Kid, shut the fuck up and stop being such an edgy tryhard.

There's nothing edgy about reality. This shit isn't gonna change ever. I'm sick of the cycle and those who comment on the cycle not changing, it's just pointless to talk about or care about so why even bother? They might as well be talking to the empty sky and bricks it accomplishes the same amount of nothing. Edgy or not, one day a shooting will be treated the same as a traffic jam.
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Mal_Fet posted...

This does put things in perspective. I think the Las Vegas shooting alone is gonna increased that 0.2% to like 0.5% or something this year though unfortunately. One man was so fucking crazy that he committed ~0.3% of the murders in a year, which is actually a hell of a lot in a country of over 300 million people.
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i make a topic upset about some twisted people and some loss of life and people feel the need to bestow upon me their wise "perspective"

ok

Sativa_Rose posted...

This does put things in perspective. I think the Las Vegas shooting alone is gonna increased that 0.2% to like 0.5% or something this year though unfortunately. One man was so fucking crazy that he committed ~0.3% of the murders in a year, which is actually a hell of a lot in a country of over 300 million people.

If we assume the amount of murders in 2017 will be similar to 2015 (when that chart was made), 15,399, then 58 victims would be about 0.004%.

Most mass shootings involve gang violence and have way less victims, but those are the types of shootings make up the overwhelming bulk of mass shooting numbers.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

i make a topic upset about some twisted people and some loss of life and people feel the need to bestow upon me their wise "perspective"

ok

Yes, it would be better for us to believe false narratives like how mass shootings are somehow an epidemic to be constantly fearful of. That's the correct course of action for sure.
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Mal_Fet posted...

my problem with this chart is that it ignores all other aspects of mass shootings other than the body count.

by this logic, we shouldnt give a shit about things like 9/11 because it's so statistically insignificant when you look at the amount of deaths vs the population of the US (or even compare the 2977 ppl that died during 9/11 vs the 3,287 that die daily in the US from car accidents). not really a good way to look at things imo
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Romulox28 posted...

3,287 that die daily in the US from car accidents

That number is way too high, we aren't losing a million people a year in car accidents.

but yeah, with this kind of stuff, it's the media & the terror it strikes in people's hearts that makes it stand out so much
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Romulox28 posted...

my problem with this chart is that it ignores all other aspects of mass shootings other than the body count.

by this logic, we shouldnt give a shit about things like 9/11 because it's so statistically insignificant when you look at the amount of deaths vs the population of the US (or even compare the 2977 ppl that died during 9/11 vs the 3,287 that die daily in the US from car accidents). not really a good way to look at things imo

Um, 9/11 was REALLY statistically significant. If counted as a mass murder, it would have made up like 20% of the homicide victims that year

Also your car accident deaths figure is off I'm pretty sure
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Mal_Fet posted...

Yes, it would be better for us to believe false narratives like how mass shootings are somehow an epidemic to be constantly fearful of. That's the correct course of action for sure.

dude i didnt say any of that shit

eston posted...

There's one almost every day, we only hear about some of them

That's exactly right. The media only reports on the saucy ones they can use for whatever agenda they have for the day.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Romulox28 posted...

my problem with this chart is that it ignores all other aspects of mass shootings other than the body count.

by this logic, we shouldnt give a shit about things like 9/11 because it's so statistically insignificant when you look at the amount of deaths vs the population of the US (or even compare the 2977 ppl that died during 9/11 vs the 3,287 that die daily in the US from car accidents). not really a good way to look at things imo

Um, 9/11 was REALLY statistically significant. If counted as a mass murder, it would have made up like 20% of the homicide victims that year

Also your car accident deaths figure is off I'm pretty sure

9/11 victims are still just 0.0009% of the US population though. and the car accident death things is probably way off (I just googled it), but you get my point, people die from shit every day so if you take any accident out of context it doesnt seem to be that big of a deal
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I do think its messed up that owning guns is a right but having good healthcare is a privilege. Both should be rights.
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Romulox28 posted...

9/11 victims are still just 0.0009% of the US population though.

Which is a HUGE amount of the population that is murdered in a year

creativerealms posted...

I do think its messed up that owning guns is a right but having good healthcare is a privilege. Both should be rights.

Nah

Saying "bearing arms is a right" doesn't mean taxpayers are gonna pay for your gun, right? So how come "healthcare is a right" means that taxpayers have to pay for your health insurance?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Also, only 4% of worldwide deaths are American. Therefore people dying in America for any reason at all is nothing really to worry about and we shouldn't concern ourselves as human beings with any policy, law or healthcare that might improve those statistics.

For that matter, we are all just specs of dust in a vast universe and our lives are utterly meaningless in the grand scope of things.

See how appealing to the fallacy of relative privation is not actually helpful?
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pinky0926 posted...

Also, only 4% of worldwide deaths are American. Therefore people dying in America for any reason at all is nothing really to worry about and we shouldn't concern ourselves as human beings with any policy, law or healthcare that might improve those statistics.

For that matter, we are all just specs of dust in a vast universe and our lives are utterly meaningless in the grand scope of things.

See how appealing to the fallacy of relative privation is not actually helpful?

There's a difference between putting relevant factors into perspective and just being reductive, bro.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Saying "bearing arms is a right" doesn't mean taxpayers are gonna pay for your gun, right? So how come "healthcare is a right" means that taxpayers have to pay for your health insurance?

just curious, what is your opinion on public education, like your tax money going towards public schools
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Mal_Fet posted...

There's a difference between putting relevant factors into perspective and just being reductive, bro.

How is "lots of people die every day" a relevant factor to consider when looking at how frequent mass shootings occur?
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Romulox28 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Saying "bearing arms is a right" doesn't mean taxpayers are gonna pay for your gun, right? So how come "healthcare is a right" means that taxpayers have to pay for your health insurance?

just curious, what is your opinion on public education, like your tax money going towards public schools

I think the board of education that runs public schools should be eradicated. Many of our parents didn't have a Federal board of education, and this is the first generation since the Great Depression. And that's not a coincidence.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Romulox28 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Saying "bearing arms is a right" doesn't mean taxpayers are gonna pay for your gun, right? So how come "healthcare is a right" means that taxpayers have to pay for your health insurance?

just curious, what is your opinion on public education, like your tax money going towards public schools

I think the board of education that runs public schools should be eradicated. Many of our parents didn't have a Federal board of education, and this is the first generation since the Great Depression. And that's not a coincidence.

but do you think that education is a right or should all schools be privatized
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FrenchCrunch posted...

pinky0926 posted...

did we really try nothing? i seriously need to educate myself on this...

Thoughts and prayers.... so yeah.... nothing.
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pinky0926 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

There's a difference between putting relevant factors into perspective and just being reductive, bro.

How is "lots of people die every day" a relevant factor to consider when looking at how frequent mass shootings occur?

Because it shows that mass shootings, relative to all murders, is really uncommon.

That's why your "we're all just dust in the wind" retort makes no sense. Yes, we are pretty irrelevant on a cosmic scale. But that's not what we're talking about.

Romulox28 posted...

but do you think that education is a right or should all schools be privatized

I think public education is necessary, but that private education is too. Gotta maintain a level of competition so public schooling doesn't start lagging.
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Mal_Fet posted...

How is "lots of people die every day" a relevant factor to consider when looking at how frequent mass shootings occur?

Because it shows that mass shootings, relative to all murders, is really uncommon.

If we're going to ignore the other implications of a phenomenon in light of how many people die because of it, I'm sure then that you'll happily dismiss terror related deaths as equally (or even moreso) unimportant, considering how much more uncommon they are.
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pinky0926 posted...

If we're going to ignore the other implications of a phenomenon in light of how many people die because of it, I'm sure then that you'll happily dismiss terror related deaths as equally (or even moreso) unimportant, considering how much more uncommon they are.

Did I say deaths in mass shootings were unimportant? Quote the post where I say that
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pinky0926 posted...

It's not that we've 'tried nothing.' You do understand that any attempt at gun legislation needs to be looked at as to whether or not it's Constitutional, right?
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Mal_Fet posted...

pinky0926 posted...

If we're going to ignore the other implications of a phenomenon in light of how many people die because of it, I'm sure then that you'll happily dismiss terror related deaths as equally (or even moreso) unimportant, considering how much more uncommon they are.

Did I say deaths in mass shootings were unimportant? Quote the post where I say that

Your opening post was presumably to point out how mass shootings are not a big problem to be concerned about, considering you provided no commentary and merely a graph labelled "perspective".

You and I both would agree that anyone dying due to a terror attack is serious and not merely a matter of how big the death toll, so why not treat mass shootings with the same degree of respect? Someone dressing up in combat gear and loading an AR-15 with enough rounds to render a village extinct before going on a Grand Theft Auto style rampage should not be normal, and yet it's happening with alarming frequency. That's not a comparable problem to someone stabbing their ex-husband in a fit of rage or a gang shooting, even if the fit-of-rage-stabbings and gang shootings happens more often on the whole.
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Heineken14 posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

pinky0926 posted...

did we really try nothing? i seriously need to educate myself on this...

Thoughts and prayers.... so yeah.... nothing.

Don't forget all the unconstitutional gun bans and assault weapons bans that had no effect on gun crime.
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pinky0926 posted...

Your opening post was presumably to point out how mass shootings are not a big problem to be concerned about, considering you provided no commentary and merely a graph labelled "perspective".

So pointing out the fact that mass shootings are uncommon means the deaths are unimportant?
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Mal_Fet posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Your opening post was presumably to point out how mass shootings are not a big problem to be concerned about, considering you provided no commentary and merely a graph labelled "perspective".

So pointing out the fact that mass shootings are uncommon means the deaths are unimportant?

Do you think they are statistically insignificant?
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There's a lot more mass shootings in mexico only no one cares

I say this as a mexican
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pinky0926 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Your opening post was presumably to point out how mass shootings are not a big problem to be concerned about, considering you provided no commentary and merely a graph labelled "perspective".

So pointing out the fact that mass shootings are uncommon means the deaths are unimportant?

Do you think they are statistically insignificant?

The deaths are not insignificant. Saying that a figure is statistically insignificant relative to another figure is not the same as saying death is insignificant.

Look just admit you took my post the wrong way and be done with it.
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Mass shootings occur every day in the likes of Chicago, Oakland, Detroit, and every other major city in the US.
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Mal_Fet posted...

The deaths are not insignificant. Saying that a figure is statistically insignificant relative to another figure is not the same as saying death is insignificant.

Look just admit you took my post the wrong way and be done with it.

I took your post to mean you think that mass shootings are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and that people are being alarmist about it, because "look at all the other reasons people die". Am I wrong about that?

I'm not suggesting you're being callous. I'm suggesting that it's dishonest to put this statistic up against other kinds of violent crime.
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If you add up all the mass shooting deaths from the last 50 years, there were 974 victims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/

The number is higher if you include accidents, robberies, and family disputes. But those are still as rare as mass shootings, all things considered. In a single Islamic terror attack in Nice, France, a truck driver killed 86 people and injured 458 others. Almost a tenth of 50 years' worth of mass shootings in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack

There are over 300 million guns in America. Over 330 million people. And yet politicians and leftists want us to believe that we have a gun issue, despite the fact that 99.9% of the people who own guns are never implicated in any such violence.

Each year, approximately 30,000 people die in car accidents. That number used to be much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

250,000 deaths per year are due to medical errors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/03/researchers-medical-errors-now-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-united-states

Meanwhile, in 2017 alone, there were 2,118 verified instances of home invasion and 1,736 verified instances of defensive usage of a gun outside of home invasions. These numbers across the same 50 year period are astronomically higher than the number of mass shooting deaths.

So why are leftists insisting on banning firearms? Note that this is referring to the leftists here who have outright said they want to ban firearms. I'm not addressing the people who want more regulations or who want to use regulation as a stepping stone for a ban.

Yes, the number of gun deaths per year is higher if you include gang violence and suicides. But that'd be a disingenuous way to frame the issue, because gang violence and suicides are in their own categories. We're concerned with public safety, and mass shootings are the relevant category here.

Based on the data alone, there is NO real risk to public safety. The mass shootings we've seen recently are anomalies, and while we should definitely take steps and precautions to ensure that they don't happen again.....gun ownership is clearly not to blame.

pinky0926 posted...

I took your post to mean you think that mass shootings are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and that people are being alarmist about it, because "look at all the other reasons people die". Am I wrong about that?

You're trying to derive some kind of odd nihilist message out of a factual chart that merely shows the reality of how frequent mass shootings really are compared to all other forms of murder. Yes that's clearly the wrong message to take from it. Knock it off.
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Mal_Fet posted...

pinky0926 posted...

I took your post to mean you think that mass shootings are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and that people are being alarmist about it, because "look at all the other reasons people die". Am I wrong about that?

You're trying to derive some kind of odd nihilist message out of a factual chart that merely shows the reality of how frequent mass shootings really are compared to all other forms of murder. Yes that's clearly the wrong message to take from it. Knock it off.

No, I was using an absurd nihilist statement to illustrate how appealing to a larger statistic should not distract from a real problem, even if it's a smaller problem.

Mass shootings are a fairly unique problem, putting them in a piechart compared to other murders isn't really helpful.
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pinky0926 posted...

Mass shootings are a fairly unique problem, putting them in a piechart compared to other murders isn't really helpful.

It is when you're trying to combat the media narrative that covers them around the clock to make mass shootings out to be more of an issue than they really are.
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