Poll of the Day > Would you consider voting for the rock for prez?

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What are his policy stances and who is he running against
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He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America
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I dont really like the idea of celebrities running for potus(like trump) but I'd listen to what he had to say because he doesnt seem like a complete clown like a kid rock, so yeah.

probably not but i'd hear him out

And anytime he signed documents he would be using the peoples elbow!!
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Mead posted...

What are his policy stances and who is he running against

Anyone who answers the topic question without first answering these questions is the problem with democracy.
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'prob not'

Celebrity stains him a little bit. The 'probably' means he has to be a lot older than he is currently. The same would go for any celebrity who wants to go into politics.

BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

being popular, good looking and a good speaker is not really what I look for in a political candidate as it has nothing to do with actually running the country. good speaker helps though, as if they suck at it, they aren't really going to get their points across as well as someone who is. and i'm sure it helps on foreign diplomacy as well come to think of it.

but it does sadden me people would vote for a celebrity because "hey I liked that person in those movies" or something along those lines. or letting looks play a role at all.
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Eric B has my vote.

Roachmeat posted...

'prob not'

Celebrity stains him a little bit. The 'probably' means he has to be a lot older than he is currently. The same would go for any celebrity who wants to go into politics.

can't say i'm positive, but i'm very confident the rock is old enough to run. 35 is the minimum age

edit: fuck it, i'm positive the rock is old enough. he started wrestling a long time ago
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And the at the end he pulls off his face and it was a mask and he was Vince McMahon all along who then enters his inauguration... No chance!

And then stone cold rushes the stage, hits him with a stone cold stunner, and pours two beers over his face/chest
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BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

not saying he has been involved... but it's not like other people were just never accused for a long time.
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I'd vote for an actual rock before Trump
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BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

So, if I'm reading this right, the qualifications for being the leader of the United States are:
-Is well liked
-Manly
-Good looking
-Good at public speaking
-Rich
-Not a rapist

.......I can't help but feel that there are a few other items that probably deserve higher precedence here, but this sort of logic does kind of explain the current occupant of the oval office...
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darkknight109 posted...

BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

So, if I'm reading this right, the qualifications for being the leader of the United States are:
-Is well liked
-Manly
-Good looking
-Good at public speaking
-Rich
-Not a rapist

.......I can't help but feel that there are a few other items that probably deserve higher precedence here, but this sort of logic does kind of explain the current occupant of the oval office...

The last one isn't a qualification
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I don't know his political views because as far as I know The Rock hasn't deemed to share them and complicate his acting career.
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

darkknight109 posted...

BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

So, if I'm reading this right, the qualifications for being the leader of the United States are:
-Is well liked
-Manly
-Good looking
-Good at public speaking
-Rich
-Not a rapist

.......I can't help but feel that there are a few other items that probably deserve higher precedence here, but this sort of logic does kind of explain the current occupant of the oval office...

The last one isn't a qualification

it kind of is. if you haven't been convicted, then legally on paper, you aren't a rapist. doesn't make it actually so, but its gotta be proven in court for it to count.

I believe rape is a felony and presidents can't have felony records
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I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

trump had no political experience at all and he got elected
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UT1999 posted...

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

trump had no political experience at all and he got elected

yes requirements for prez are simply, 35 years old, natural born US citizen. and no felonies. maybe no criminal record period, but i'm positive at least no felony. but nothing about political experience
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UT1999 posted...

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

trump had no political experience at all and he got elected

Good point but lend me your pencil for a second.

TOO much political experience was just as bad in Hillary's case. Stay too long around politics and there is more chance to catch a few conspiracies you can't shake.

Roachmeat posted...

UT1999 posted...

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

trump had no political experience at all and he got elected

Good point but lend me your pencil for a second.

TOO much political experience was just as bad in Hillary's case. Stay too long around politics and there is more chance to catch a few conspiracies you can't shake.

Hillary was the epitome of the type of politician people hate.

The reason she was a presidential candidate in the first place was because she did all the things people hate about politicians.
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Roachmeat posted...

UT1999 posted...

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

trump had no political experience at all and he got elected

Good point but lend me your pencil for a second.

TOO much political experience was just as bad in Hillary's case. Stay too long around politics and there is more chance to catch a few conspiracies you can't shake.

on top of "conspiracies" you can look up a politicians record on how the voted on issues. couldn't do that with trump

and any politician whos been around a long time is bound to have changed stances on a issue or two, and to people that will make you look like a flip flopper or a liar, even if you had good reason for changing stances.

edit: and even though few people bother to look that sort of thing up, trump did like to point out things shes flipped stances on
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UT1999 posted...

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

trump had no political experience at all and he got elected

He's also an extremely shitty President, so this isn't a counterargument to what I said.

I'd need to hear his platform, but probably not because he's a guy who got concussions for a living.

argonautweakend posted...

I dont really like the idea of celebrities running for potus(like trump) but I'd listen to what he had to say because he doesnt seem like a complete clown like a kid rock, so yeah.

Literally everybody is a celeb by the time they can mount a serious campaign.

mooreandrew58 posted...

can't say i'm positive, but i'm very confident the rock is old enough to run. 35 is the minimum age

He's definitely older than 35.

darkknight109 posted...

BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

So, if I'm reading this right, the qualifications for being the leader of the United States are:
-Is well liked
-Manly
-Good looking
-Good at public speaking
-Rich
-Not a rapist

.......I can't help but feel that there are a few other items that probably deserve higher precedence here, but this sort of logic does kind of explain the current occupant of the oval office...

Those are the things which help get over with the general public, although pretty much everybody is rich by the time they run for president either because they've exploited their political office/celebrity for money (bribery, paid speeches, books, etc) or somewhat rarely made money in the private sector.

UT1999 posted...

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think he's qualified. He has no political experience.

trump had no political experience at all and he got elected

Trump *had* decades of experience dealing with politicians and other government officials given that he worked in real estate. The Rock, as just an entertainer, really has nothing.
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Broken_Zeus posted...

Trump *had* decades of experience dealing with politicians and other government officials given that he worked in real estate.

I have decades of experience dealing with doctors, given that most of my family is employed in the medical sector.

That still wouldn't make me a good candidate to be a chief surgeon in a hospital.
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BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

He's very likeable. He also doesn't seem to have any policy stances, which probably contributes to his likeability...but isn't all that hot for a presidential candidate.

No.

He has no clue what he's doing. He'll be schmoozed up by the establishment and they'll love him. They'll just show him pictures of some country stabbing puppies or something and we'll be in another intervention.

UT1999 posted...

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I wouldn't vote but would find it cool if he ran for it and won. It's possible I guess as although not the same as such Glenn Jacobs(Kane) is running as a Republican for the Knox County mayoral seat in 2018.
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Broken_Zeus posted...

He's definitely older than 35.

I did edit my post to say i'm positive. I just didn't know his age off the top of my head but after thinking about how long hes been around I was sure he was plenty old enough.
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Probably not, since he's an Independent. I don't do 3rd-party.
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wouldn't he run as a repub. or dem?
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UT1999 posted...

wouldn't he run as a repub. or dem?

He wants to "bring the country together". That probably means neoliberal/Republican-lite.

UT1999 posted...

wouldn't he run as a repub. or dem?

Last I checked (because I was curious to find out), he is registered under the GOP.

And I'd vote for him, if nothing else in the primaries. If nothing else, I hope he can stump the Trump! XD
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darkknight109 posted...

Broken_Zeus posted...

Trump *had* decades of experience dealing with politicians and other government officials given that he worked in real estate.

I have decades of experience dealing with doctors, given that most of my family is employed in the medical sector.

That still wouldn't make me a good candidate to be a chief surgeon in a hospital.

Maybe if you had experience dealing with grocers, you could recognize apples and oranges.

wwinterj25 posted...

UT1999 posted...

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I wouldn't vote but would find it cool if he ran for it and won. It's possible I guess as although not the same as such Glenn Jacobs(Kane) is running as a Republican for the Knox County mayoral seat in 2018.

To be fair, Glenn Jacobs *has* been politically vocal and has had something resembling a platform for years. Out of all the guys who get concussions for a living, he might be the most fit to hold office. Even Jim Cornette -- who speaks ill of libertarians -- praised Jacobs.
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Zeus posted...

Maybe if you had experience dealing with grocers, you could recognize apples and oranges.

It's not, though. Trump's world, and all of his experience, is in real estate. Just because that involved him occasionally meeting with politicians does not mean he has any meaningful experience in politics. Political process and negotiations are nothing like their real estate equivalents. This is exactly why Trump keeps making so many easily avoidable mistakes and fucking up his own agenda - because he literally has no idea what he's doing, thanks to the fact he doesn't know politics and doesn't care to listen to the people around him who do.

I perpetually see this in the pattern of Trump's conduct. He keeps acting like a real estate tycoon, then is shocked when it doesn't work in the political arena. Tactics and strategies that would work fine in the business world simply do not work at all in the political realm because the goals are different, as is the nature of the contest.
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I'd vote for him over Trump

BobToxsick posted...

He's probably the most well liked person in America. Guys like him cause his wrestling/manly movies. Women like him cause he's good looking, and kids even like him cause his kid movies. On top of him being a really good public speaker and being really great at getting involved with fans/communities. And he's a rich guy who hasn't been involved with any corruption or accused of rape I feel like he would be a really solid face of America

He's just such a genuine guy and when you hear about his story about how he got to where he is, it's hard to not get the feels.

Getting a hug from him is definitely on my bucket list.
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Yes but I wouldn't vote against President Trump.

No. But only because I dont vote

I might consider registering to vote if his vice president is the Undertaker

darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

Maybe if you had experience dealing with grocers, you could recognize apples and oranges.

It's not, though. Trump's world, and all of his experience, is in real estate. Just because that involved him occasionally meeting with politicians does not mean he has any meaningful experience in politics. Political process and negotiations are nothing like their real estate equivalents. This is exactly why Trump keeps making so many easily avoidable mistakes and fucking up his own agenda - because he literally has no idea what he's doing, thanks to the fact he doesn't know politics and doesn't care to listen to the people around him who do.

I perpetually see this in the pattern of Trump's conduct. He keeps acting like a real estate tycoon, then is shocked when it doesn't work in the political arena. Tactics and strategies that would work fine in the business world simply do not work at all in the political realm because the goals are different, as is the nature of the contest.

Which is still a silly argument and a false equivocation. If we're going with medical analogies, electing a senator to the presidency is like asking a podiatrist do brain surgery based on the logic that it's a doctor performing a medical procedure. The fact of the matter is that *nobody* -- excluding maybe a VP -- is ever truly prepared for the presidency. And most governmental roles impart no better advantage than being a real estate mogul when it comes to building connections. And, at best, most political posts convey nothing more than minor procedural knowledge specific to the role itself.

As for Trump not taking counsel, it's probably as much -- if not more -- a matter of counsel not taking Trump. The Republican establishment didn't want Trump to win. Otherwise, many of the issues he's had are problems *many* candidates have had. For instance, after winning the election, some of his representatives got in trouble for allegedly representing the US government... despite the fact that was literally what previous administrations had done. There's a pretty substantial political and media bias against Trump, as well as numerous interests who *want* him to fail at all costs because Trump broke the system -- he was a total outsider who managed to get into the highest office in the land. The powers-that-be have a vested interest in doing everything they can to ensure that doens't happen again.
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Zeus posted...

Which is still a silly argument and a false equivocation. If we're going with medical analogies, electing a senator to the presidency is like asking a podiatrist do brain surgery based on the logic that it's a doctor performing a medical procedure. The fact of the matter is that *nobody* -- excluding maybe a VP -- is ever truly prepared for the presidency.

Sure, there's no such thing as "true preparation", but that doesn't mean that some aren't better qualified than others based on their governmental experience. Since you're batting around logical fallacies in this topic, this is pretty much a straightforward Nirvana Fallacy.

Zeus posted...

And most governmental roles impart no better advantage than being a real estate mogul when it comes to building connections. And, at best, most political posts convey nothing more than minor procedural knowledge specific to the role itself.

Being a senator, for instance, allows you to, y'know, KNOW most of the senate - find out what makes them tick, what their interests are, how to bring them onside, and - for that matter - conveys an intimate knowledge of how Congress works (which you'll need to know, since they're ultimately the ones that control how much of your agenda actually gets implemented). Or maybe the candidate was a former secretary of state or other high-ranking official in the executive branch - that gives them an immediate leg up on the ins and outs of the branch of the government they will be in charge of. If you want to continue the medical analogy, someone who has worked in a hospital in some capacity will have an advantage over someone who has not if you're selecting a hospital administrator.

Zeus posted...

As for Trump not taking counsel, it's probably as much -- if not more -- a matter of counsel not taking Trump.

Please explain then why much of Trump's *hand picked* inner circle are currently in new occupations.

Zeus posted...

Otherwise, many of the issues he's had are problems *many* candidates have had.

Like undercutting his own party by calling the bill he ordered them to pass "mean"? Or botching a phone call to a Gold Star family? Or failing to denounce white supremacists in the aftermath of a riot that left a woman dead? Or bragging about being able to sexually assault women due to his status? Or complaining about the costs and talking about reparations when administering disaster relief to a US territory? Or repeatedly failing to acknowledge the reports of Russian interference in the election, thus leaving the US at risk for it happening a second time? Or repeatedly berating lawmakers from his own party - the same ones who he's trying to get to pass bills for him to sign?

I mean, my knowledge of the news isn't encyclopedic, but I'm pretty sure that if previous presidents did stuff like that I probably would have heard about it.
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fun fact: he actually has canadian citizenship through his father
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darkknight109 posted...

Sure, there's no such thing as "true preparation", but that doesn't mean that some aren't better qualified than others based on their governmental experience. Since you're batting around logical fallacies in this topic, this is pretty much a straightforward Nirvana Fallacy.

Again overlooking that much of that same experience in terms of building connections within the community is available OUTSIDE government. Excluding *maybe* governors, there's no real close parallel with most government positions... and, it should be noted, that governors have a pretty mixed track record when it comes to the presidency. Carter and GWB weren't exactly known as stellar presidents, for instance.

darkknight109 posted...

Being a senator, for instance, allows you to, y'know, KNOW most of the senate - find out what makes them tick, what their interests are, how to bring them onside, and - for that matter - conveys an intimate knowledge of how Congress works (which you'll need to know, since they're ultimately the ones that control how much of your agenda actually gets implemented).

Few problems there: First off, once again outsiders HAVE access to that same community, especially when they work in donor circles. In fact, sitting senators and congressmen are more likely to have donors in their contacts list than they are to have many of their peers.

Second, and equally importantly, those are legislative roles not executive roles. The presidency is an executive-level position. Know what's also an executive-level position? A Chief EXECUTIVE Officer. The same skills required to run a business play into the presidency.

darkknight109 posted...

If you want to continue the medical analogy, someone who has worked in a hospital in some capacity will have an advantage over someone who has not if you're selecting a hospital administrator.

Sure, let's continue the medical analogy. You're basically proposing that the hospital janitor is more qualified to be a hospital administrator than an actual administrator from another industry simply by virtue of the fact that he's worked in the building and knows some people whereas the other guy, who has actually served in an administrator-level capacity, has not.

darkknight109 posted...

Please explain then why much of Trump's *hand picked* inner circle are currently in new occupations.

Please explain how you know that Trump's "hand picked" list actually consists entirely of his first choices. A number of people who he had allegedly been eyeing attacked him on the campaign trail and refused to touch him afterward.

darkknight109 posted...

Like undercutting his own party by calling the bill he ordered them to pass "mean"? Or botching a phone call to a Gold Star family? Or failing to denounce white supremacists in the aftermath of a riot that left a woman dead? Or bragging about being able to sexually assault women due to his status? Or complaining about the costs and talking about reparations when administering disaster relief to a US territory? Or repeatedly failing to acknowledge the reports of Russian interference in the election, thus leaving the US at risk for it happening a second time? Or repeatedly berating lawmakers from his own party - the same ones who he's trying to get to pass bills for him to sign?

Wow, it's like a greatest hits list of unfounded, moronic slander, half-truths, innuendo, and outright misinformation! Even the Russians couldn't have done such a great job in compiling that much bunk! You should pat yourself on the back for collecting so much disinformation. Hell, the ONLY thing you left out was pretending that he said all "Mexicans are rapists by default"
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Zeus posted...

The presidency is an executive-level position. Know what's also an executive-level position? A Chief EXECUTIVE Officer.

holy fucking shit you cannot be this dense
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Which isn't even getting into the fact that you just proved my point: The plethora of bullshit manufactured scandals demonstrates that he IS being treated differently considering that when other presidents have done something similar -- especially the claim about the "botched" phone call (unless you somehow believe that no president ever gave an unpleasing phone call before now... if so, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell to you) -- it doesn't occupy several full days of the 24 hour news cycle.
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JunkoEnoshima posted...

Zeus posted...

The presidency is an executive-level position. Know what's also an executive-level position? A Chief EXECUTIVE Officer.

holy fucking shit you cannot be this dense

Holy fucking shit, you cannot be so dense as to not understand how EXECUTIVE-level positions are similar.
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