Board 8 > Roy Moore, GOP Sen candidate in AL, sexually assaulted a 14 year old. He was 32.

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Gatarix
11/09/17 5:15:54 PM
#53:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Accusations are not proof. If we get proof, then by all means throw Roy Moore in jail. Until then, I dont buy it.

There's never going to be proof. Any physical evidence is long since gone. Assuming it went exactly as she said, even if she went to the police immediately I doubt there would be any physical evidence (unless he managed to leave fingerprints on her bra? but I really don't think fabric is conducive to that)

So yeah, if you don't buy it, you don't buy it. But don't make it sound like you're waiting for evidence before you pronounce judgment, because there will never be any more evidence than her word against his.
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Mr Lasastryke
11/09/17 5:17:15 PM
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i don't see the big deal with rock's explanation?

like, what else is there to say here? "it's fucking disgusting"? no shit, we all agree with that anyway.

explaining the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia actually adds information to the topic that some people (evidently) weren't aware of before.
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Peace___Frog
11/09/17 5:19:18 PM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Told you these allegations would get parlayed into randomly accusing conservatives the left doesnt like.


Sorry SEP. Carry on.

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MZero11
11/09/17 5:20:16 PM
#59:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i don't see the big deal with rock's explanation?

like, what else is there to say here? "it's fucking disgusting"? no shit, we all agree with that anyway.

explaining the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia actually adds information to the topic that some people (evidently) weren't aware of before.


Thank you! I was trying to think of a way to say this exactly
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DoomTheGyarados
11/09/17 5:20:34 PM
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As a writer I can appreciate wanting proper words used tbh. Use the right words is an ok ask, we just get emotional and go grr.
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Gatarix
11/09/17 5:23:05 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Gatarix posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Accusations are not proof. If we get proof, then by all means throw Roy Moore in jail. Until then, I dont buy it.

There's never going to be proof. Any physical evidence is long since gone. Assuming it went exactly as she said, even if she went to the police immediately I doubt there would be any physical evidence (unless he managed to leave fingerprints on her bra? but I really don't think fabric is conducive to that)

So yeah, if you don't buy it, you don't buy it. But don't make it sound like you're waiting for evidence before you pronounce judgment, because there will never be any more evidence than her word against his.

How come these allegations always seem to happen years later at the most opportune time?

Eh, I can buy it. You're 14, you're confused and not sure how to process what happened and more than a little ashamed, it makes sense that you would hide it for years. I think the timing is entirely plausible for a real victim.

("But isn't the timing also entirely plausible for a smear campaign??" you ask. Yeah, it is. I'm just saying the timing is a nulltell.)
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Mr Lasastryke
11/09/17 5:23:23 PM
#63:


lol
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TheRock1525
11/09/17 5:23:49 PM
#64:


Gatarix posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Accusations are not proof. If we get proof, then by all means throw Roy Moore in jail. Until then, I dont buy it.

There's never going to be proof. Any physical evidence is long since gone. Assuming it went exactly as she said, even if she went to the police immediately I doubt there would be any physical evidence (unless he managed to leave fingerprints on her bra? but I really don't think fabric is conducive to that)

So yeah, if you don't buy it, you don't buy it. But don't make it sound like you're waiting for evidence before you pronounce judgment, because there will never be any more evidence than her word against his.


I believe some 30 people can confirm that this woman told this story to them. It's hard to believe she just made up a lie over the course of 40 years for the sake of finally getting at him not when he became a fucking Supreme Court judge but rather his Senate bid.
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Bane_Of_Despair
11/09/17 5:23:56 PM
#65:


Guys don't put me on the side of ulti in this

It wasn't rock correcting it it was the timing that he chose to. Like call it whatever the fuck you want a 32 year old man sexually assaulted a 14 year old and that was getting downplayed for "WELL ACTUALLY IT ISN'T PEDOPHILIA"
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GuessMyUserName
11/09/17 5:24:12 PM
#66:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i don't see the big deal with rock's explanation?

like, what else is there to say here? "it's fucking disgusting"? no shit, we all agree with that anyway.

explaining the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia actually adds information to the topic that some people (evidently) weren't aware of before.

Nothing is wrong with Rock's comment but discussion should have ended there, this isn't the topic for it. Please don't rederail we already ended that thread.
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Mr Lasastryke
11/09/17 5:25:08 PM
#67:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Like call it whatever the fuck you want a 32 year old man sexually assaulted a 14 year old and that was getting downplayed for "WELL ACTUALLY IT ISN'T PEDOPHILIA"


nobody is downplaying anything.
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Mr Lasastryke
11/09/17 5:26:17 PM
#68:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Nothing is wrong with Rock's comment but discussion should have ended there, this isn't the topic for it. Please don't rederail we already ended that thread.


you're being overly dramatic.
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Bane_Of_Despair
11/09/17 5:26:31 PM
#69:


Feeling the need to point out the semantics is kind of downplaying it a bit yea whether he wanted to or not
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TheRock1525
11/09/17 5:29:14 PM
#70:


I didn't downplay it and it's not simply a semantics argument either.

Like I said, all very disgusting but for different and important reasons.
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CelesMyUserName
11/09/17 5:30:45 PM
#71:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
Nothing is wrong with Rock's comment but discussion should have ended there, this isn't the topic for it. Please don't rederail we already ended that thread.


you're being overly dramatic.

what is dramatic about "please no threadshitting"
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Gatarix
11/09/17 5:33:39 PM
#72:


TheRock1525 posted...
Like I said, all very disgusting but for different and important reasons.

I know you tried explaining this earlier, but I don't actually get what you mean

like you mentioned that one is "biologically driven" and one is "culturally driven" -- are you talking about the motivation of the predator? or the reason why it's wrong?
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Mr Lasastryke
11/09/17 5:34:45 PM
#73:


discussing the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia isn't "threadshitting." it's valuable and highly relevant to the topic at hand. it's not like rock went "HEY GUYS HERE'S MY TOP 5 GAMES LOL." that would be treadshitting.
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CelesMyUserName
11/09/17 5:37:25 PM
#74:


again, rock mentioning it the one time wise fine but now the thread is successfully shitted up about fucking nothing

note I didn't tell Rock to shut up when he first made the correction, because again that was a normal point, but we're a damn page past it now give it the hell up
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TheRock1525
11/09/17 5:43:00 PM
#75:


Gatarix posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Like I said, all very disgusting but for different and important reasons.

I know you tried explaining this earlier, but I don't actually get what you mean

like you mentioned that one is "biologically driven" and one is "culturally driven" -- are you talking about the motivation of the predator? or the reason why it's wrong?


Well the biological reason is the strong reason for pedophilia. It's a clear attraction to prepubescent children and obviously those children likely don't feel/understand those sexual attractions back.

The cultural reason goes more towards the ephebophilia. Certain cultures in America don't really bat an eyelash to a 14-15 year old having sex with a guy in college. Look at all the instances of high school males (14-18) getting into sexual affairs with older female teachers. While most are punished by law, there tends to be less of a pushback culturally on how disgusting the action is. And once again, look at the people coming out in defense Moore. It's because in a place like Alabama, an older man being with a teenager, even one legally not being able to consent, isn't seen as that big of a deal. If it came out Moore did it to a 10 year old, you can bet your ass they'd be distancing themselves a lot more.
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TheRock1525
11/09/17 5:43:34 PM
#76:


CelesMyUserName posted...
again, rock mentioning it the one time wise fine but now the thread is successfully shitted up about fucking nothing

note I didn't tell Rock to shut up when he first made the correction, because again that was a normal point, but we're a damn page past it now give it the hell up


I'd like to point out that our other option is to deal with Ulti.
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TheRock1525
11/09/17 5:47:08 PM
#77:


Hell, I lived in Michigan but when you got to the more rural country side there was a ton of freshman and sophomores with guys in their 20's.
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StealThisSheen
11/09/17 5:50:18 PM
#79:


Rock sorry, you are correct. It was somebody else that made the "it's not as creepy/bad" argument, not you.

I still disagree that it really needed to be brought up and argued in this particular case, but I see your argument.
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CelesMyUserName
11/09/17 5:50:27 PM
#80:


anyone with legit discussion to make like drak is totally cool, but we didn't even get a discussion on that but rather "was rock's post fine or not" which is not worth any posts

but back on topic is the question on if this will actually mean anything for the election

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/928734837887954950

my vote is "no", in fact the campaign is using these allegations to raise money to fight against them!

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TheRock1525
11/09/17 5:54:04 PM
#81:


StealThisSheen posted...
Rock sorry, you are correct. It was somebody else that made the "it's not as creepy/bad" argument, not you.

I still disagree that it really needed to be brought up and argued in this particular case, but I see your argument.


Basically it's the difference between "is Roy Moore a piece of shit because he has an untreated disease or is he a piece of shit because Alabama's culture condones this behavior more than any developed society should?"
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swordz9
11/09/17 5:56:40 PM
#82:


CelesMyUserName posted...
anyone with legit discussion to make like drak is totally cool, but we didn't even get a discussion on that but rather "was rock's post fine or not" which is not worth any posts

but back on topic is the question on if this will actually mean anything for the election

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/928734837887954950

my vote is "no", in fact the campaign is using these allegations to raise money to fight against them!

XzR2Hpu

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TheRock1525
11/09/17 5:58:04 PM
#83:


Also if you want an example of people condoning this behavior:

SEAN HANNITY: How do you possibly tell, know the truth, except -- okay, so, the two other girls were older in this case. He was apparently, like, 32, and he dated -- one girl was 18, one girl was 17, they never said he did -- there was no sexual -- there was kissing involved, and then they're saying this one encounter with a 14 year old --

LYNDA MCLAUGHLIN: And it was consensual --

HANNITY: And consensual, that's true.


"Look even though it's illegal and wrong, it was consensual so it's ok."
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Bane_Of_Despair
11/09/17 6:03:43 PM
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I still don't think it was the time to bring up the definition of pedophilia but I know rock so I knew it wasn't him being malicious or anything. I just wanted to stress to other people jumping on "oh yea it wasn't pedophilia!"

In any case the whole situation is shitty. Fuck older men who abuse their power like that.
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kevwaffles
11/09/17 6:10:13 PM
#87:


The Rolling Stones case involved them talking to one person and not following up on dates and locations that were easily debunked.

This case involves talking to like 30 people and at least one verified date and location with the court house.
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velocycloraptor
11/09/17 6:10:18 PM
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https://twitter.com/Lowenaffchen/status/928757092915273728
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Kinglicious
11/09/17 6:11:25 PM
#89:


I wouldn't call it downplaying, I'd call it correction it to what "play" it should be. Yeah, 14 isn't as bad as 8 which isn't as bad as 2. Each of those is a different level, with different terms, and different problems. None of this means any of that is good, it's simply getting to the right level of "bad" it is. People get hung up on that argument too, "oh you're just saying that to defend him" kind of crap - no, it's just not as bad. That doesn't still make it good or okay, it's properly measuring what you're dealing with and not letting your emotions get the better of you.
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Nia_Yuri
11/09/17 6:12:16 PM
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Im sure the dog knows more then hes letting on


LMAO
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kevwaffles
11/09/17 6:15:33 PM
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Ah yes, closing comment sections. The ULTImate sign of lying, apparently?
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charmander6000
11/09/17 6:16:59 PM
#93:


UltimaterializerX posted...
How many 14 year-old girls in Alabama had their own land lines in their own bedroom in 1979?


Why would she have to have her own landline?
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velocycloraptor
11/09/17 6:21:19 PM
#94:


https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/928762534412324864

another left wing pedo spotted
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Crossfiyah
11/09/17 6:23:33 PM
#95:


This topic is a pretty good example of why conservatives can get elected even when they commit sexual assault.

A bunch of people too mired down in artificial details to actually make anything of the situation.

While you guys were spending all of this wasted effort debating what was and waant pedophilia, and then what was and wasnt ducking up a thread, 85% of Republicans just put their heads in the sand and said fuck it to all semblance of nuance and voted for him anyway.
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tazzyboyishere
11/09/17 6:23:42 PM
#96:


Ulti I will provide proof that Moore is a child rapist the moment you provide proof that From Software is deliberately making their cameras bad to inflate difficulty.
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Crossfiyah
11/09/17 6:24:19 PM
#97:


Like you people have as poor of a grasp on what matters as they do.
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velocycloraptor
11/09/17 6:26:29 PM
#98:


us people are the true villains in all this
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Wanglicious
11/09/17 6:27:52 PM
#99:


there isn't much to discuss beyond the specific details and nuance used. none of us are voting in it. none of us are relevant to the election or its participants beyond pointing and laughing, being disgusted, and talking about specific details.

you're just the guy complaining and belittling people for little reason beyond wanting to feel superior.
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velocycloraptor
11/09/17 6:29:21 PM
#100:


Very mad at all of you people getting caught up in the crossfiyah
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Crossfiyah
11/09/17 6:29:48 PM
#101:


Yeah but you do this shit literally every time, literally everywhere.

It's pathological.
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velocycloraptor
11/09/17 6:30:39 PM
#102:


What do you think the purpose of a social message board is my dude
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StealThisSheen
11/09/17 6:31:27 PM
#103:


Crossfiyah posted...
Yeah but you do this shit literally every time, literally everywhere.

It's pathological.


Sorry everybody didn't just "this is bad" and then never post again, I guess
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