Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 146: Judge Roy Moore

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https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/929947477805027328

Trump laughed as Duterte shut down questions. "You are the spies," Duterte said, referring to press. "Hah, hah, hah," Trump said laughing. "You are," Duterte repeated. (per WH pool) https://t.co/K4M2JsQCzw

Trump allowed Duterte to shut down US reporters' questions about human rights. Duterte told reporters they weren't at a news conference. Question wasn't answered.

This is America First - the president backing up a foreign leader disrespecting Americans in the same room.
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Somehow Trump paling around with Duterte doesn't concern conservatives at all.

I wonder how they'd feel if Obama palled around with a guy who just went around shooting gun owners, and said "You're doing it right!"
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America First and MAGA were always thinly veiled buzzwords for "return to the days where rich, white people hold all the power and fuck everyone else, got mine."
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Also of interest is how the most developed democracy in the middle east, and what many (myself included) have held up as a pillar of success in the region:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.822220

Sources in the Israel Police believe there is sufficient evidence to charge Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu with bribery for accepting hundreds of thousands of shekels worth of gifts from wealthy businessmen, Israel Channel 10 News reported on Friday.

No indictment yet, but as someone who wasn't aware of this scandal previously, this is a very interesting development.
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FFDragon posted...

America First and MAGA were always thinly veiled buzzwords for "return to the days where rich, white people hold all the power and fuck everyone else, got mine."

that's how those of us who didn't drink the koolaid interpreted it. But there are those who don't fit into that category who fully embraced those empty buzz words.
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I think people who did drink the koolaid also interpreted it that way as well. That's kind of what they wanted (though some maybe omitted the "rich" part).
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Another Roy Moore accuser to have a press conference at 2:30.

Mitch McConnell supposedly said "I believe the women."
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I can't really see any other outcomes to this than:

Jones wins, serves out term until at least 2020
Moore wins, is expelled from the Senate, Strange re-appointed, special election held again, Moore wins (??), repeat (??)
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Can you run again if you are expelled?

...Are there even any disqualifying conditions for Congress seats? I legitimately don't know.
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given some of the people who get elected to congress it seems like the conditions are pretty lax
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Like Congress would ever expel a Republican.
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FFDragon posted...

Can you run again if you are expelled?

...Are there even any disqualifying conditions for Congress seats? I legitimately don't know.

There's nothing in the constitution that disqualifies you except for age, citizenship, and state of residence. So I believe he could go for it again.
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Inviso posted...

Like Congress would ever expel a Republican.

Mitch McConnell fucking despises Moore and I think there are enough sensible senators who would vote for expulsion. Plus if it merely got called to a vote, it would look terrible to vote "no."
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At this point though I truly think Jones will win. He'll probably be one of the more conservative Democratic senators too, so that's the best outcome for now.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Inviso posted...

Like Congress would ever expel a Republican.

Mitch McConnell fucking despises Moore and I think there are enough sensible senators who would vote for expulsion. Plus if it merely got called to a vote, it would look terrible to vote "no."

When has Mitch McConnell EVER done something morally right at the cost of his own political advantage? It just wouldn't get called to vote, no one has to go on record one way or another, and Republicans maintain the current senatorial split.
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Inviso posted...

When has Mitch McConnell EVER done something morally right at the cost of his own political advantage?

Blocking Garland and risking a more liberal Clinton-appointed justice
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lol
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I think Moore still wins.

Have you seen all the people smashing their $120 Keurig coffee makers to show support?
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FFDragon posted...

I think Moore still wins.

Have you seen all the people smashing their $120 Keurig coffee makers to show support?

That's support for Hannity. If Hannity threw Moore under the bus they'd agree with that.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Inviso posted...

When has Mitch McConnell EVER done something morally right at the cost of his own political advantage?

Blocking Garland and risking a more liberal Clinton-appointed justice

Even if that was "morally right", that didn't cost him anything. The court seat rightfully went to a Democratic president. Even if Clinton won, that doesn't change anything because the seat would've gone to a liberal regardless.

Instead, he subverted the will of the people to push an activist agenda and it worked out for him, to the dismay of three million more voters.
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TheRock1525 posted...

FFDragon posted...

I think Moore still wins.

Have you seen all the people smashing their $120 Keurig coffee makers to show support?

That's support for Hannity. If Hannity threw Moore under the bus they'd agree with that.

I'm not so sure about that. Weren't people up in arms at Hannity for not lobbing (relative) softballs to Moore in their interview?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Inviso posted...

When has Mitch McConnell EVER done something morally right at the cost of his own political advantage?

Blocking Garland and risking a more liberal Clinton-appointed justice

lol
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The Mana Sword posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

FFDragon posted...

I think Moore still wins.

Have you seen all the people smashing their $120 Keurig coffee makers to show support?

That's support for Hannity. If Hannity threw Moore under the bus they'd agree with that.

I'm not so sure about that. Weren't people up in arms at Hannity for not lobbing (relative) softballs to Moore in their interview?

I saw the opposite. Hannity giving him softballs and criticisms for Moore implicating himself.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Inviso posted...

When has Mitch McConnell EVER done something morally right at the cost of his own political advantage?

Blocking Garland and risking a more liberal Clinton-appointed justice

How is that risking anything when the plan was to block Clinton's nominee as long as the GOP held the Senate (which would have probably been at least until 2020)?
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Btw Seth Abramson is on a Twitter string that might be the strongest evidence of Russian Collusion yet.
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Link?
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seth abramson says a lot of things
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Link please.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

At this point though I truly think Jones will win. He'll probably be one of the more conservative Democratic senators too, so that's the best outcome for now.

Yeah I am hoping Alabamas people will save us on this one.
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Inviso posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Inviso posted...

Like Congress would ever expel a Republican.

Mitch McConnell fucking despises Moore and I think there are enough sensible senators who would vote for expulsion. Plus if it merely got called to a vote, it would look terrible to vote "no."

When has Mitch McConnell EVER done something morally right at the cost of his own political advantage? It just wouldn't get called to vote, no one has to go on record one way or another, and Republicans maintain the current senatorial split.

It absolutely would be to his political advantage.

He would be down a vote for like a week until the governor appointed a temporary replacement and another special election was held which would almost certainly go to a Republican.
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Eddv posted...

Inviso posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Inviso posted...

Like Congress would ever expel a Republican.

Mitch McConnell fucking despises Moore and I think there are enough sensible senators who would vote for expulsion. Plus if it merely got called to a vote, it would look terrible to vote "no."

When has Mitch McConnell EVER done something morally right at the cost of his own political advantage? It just wouldn't get called to vote, no one has to go on record one way or another, and Republicans maintain the current senatorial split.

It absolutely would be to his political advantage.

He would be down a vote for like a week until the governor appointed a temporary replacement and another special election was held which would almost certainly go to a Republican.

Oh, I meant that stirring up trouble within the party itself looks bad and weakens Republicans overall, from his perspective. Same reason he clamps down on any discussion of removing the tremendous Republican liability in the White House.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Link?

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/930114503655743490
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Polls have the two candidates within margin of error. Jones winning here would give the Democrats a good chance at winning the senate in 2018 (though far from guaranteed). Sure he'll be another Manchin, but having a Manchin on your side for things like the healthcare bill is important.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/us/nsa-shadow-brokers.html

this hasn't been talked about enough, probably because it's not as easy to understand as a lot of the gossip around the White House
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What's really weird about this Roy Moore issue:

-Roy Moore coerces a 12 year old into Sex, and some people have said even if he's guilty they'd still vote for him.
-Collin Kaepernick kneels for the National Anthem, and he's the worst person ever and they wouldn't want him on their team no matter what. Even if their QB is terrible.
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transcience posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/us/nsa-shadow-brokers.html

this hasn't been talked about enough, probably because it's not as easy to understand as a lot of the gossip around the White House

Some veteran intelligence officials believe a lopsided focus on offensive weapons and hacking tools has, for years, left American cyberdefense dangerously porous.

We have had a train wreck coming, said Mike McConnell, the former N.S.A. director and national intelligence director. We should have ratcheted up the defense parts significantly.

Those with influence will not learn this lesson, the NSA will continue its domestic spying, and I will continue to find it difficult to give a shit about them when things like this happen.
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every conversation about companies building in back doors for the NSA should start and end with this article.
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transcience posted...

every conversation about companies building in back doors for the NSA should start and end with this article.

Yeah this is 100% true too.

It's literally impossible to have a backdoor that's only accessible by one person/group.
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Eddv posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

At this point though I truly think Jones will win. He'll probably be one of the more conservative Democratic senators too, so that's the best outcome for now.

Yeah I am hoping Alabamas people will save us on this one.

He's fairly conservative and will certainly be one of the two most conservative democrats in the senate if elected. Also he's a great candidate and is probably the absolute best the democrats could've found.

But he's pro choice and I worry that alone will mean we get stuck with Moore in the senate, sadly.
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Ashethan posted...

What's really weird about this Roy Moore issue:

-Roy Moore coerces a 12 year old into Sex, and some people have said even if he's guilty they'd still vote for him.
-Collin Kaepernick kneels for the National Anthem, and he's the worst person ever and they wouldn't want him on their team no matter what. Even if their QB is terrible.

This isn't weird at all. Roy Moore isn't black.
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But he's pro choice and I worry that alone will mean we get stuck with Moore in the senate, sadly.

new Moore slogan: "It's better to fuck a child than abort it!"'
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Having conservative democrats in the Senate is infinitely better than having whatever the fuck republicans are pretending not to be (because they sure as hell aren't conservative)
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TheRock1525 posted...

The Mana Sword posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

FFDragon posted...

I think Moore still wins.

Have you seen all the people smashing their $120 Keurig coffee makers to show support?

That's support for Hannity. If Hannity threw Moore under the bus they'd agree with that.

I'm not so sure about that. Weren't people up in arms at Hannity for not lobbing (relative) softballs to Moore in their interview?

I saw the opposite. Hannity giving him softballs and criticisms for Moore implicating himself.

I actually had no problem with the interview itself and thought Hannity did a fine job.

There are several other segments surrounding his coverage though that I very much have an issue with, particularly the one with the woman on his show going "most of these women make these allegations up".
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@Corrik shame on you for trying to summon me during football Sunday, you monster.

I don't know what you were looking for my perspective on because there were too many posts when I checked this morning and I didn't feel like reading them all, but assume my response would be disappointing to everyone involved.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

@Corrik shame on you for trying to summon me during football Sunday, you monster.

I don't know what you were looking for my perspective on because there were too many posts when I checked this morning and I didn't feel like reading them all, but assume my response would be disappointing to everyone involved.

Wanted you to give a rational opinion on the California NAACP wanting to have the national anthem removed as the national anthem for supposedly being anti-black and racist.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/bannon-appeals-jews-join-war-gop-establishment-51105681
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Jones isn't that liberal, but from the interviews I've read he seems a decent bit to the left of Manchin. I think he'd be more like the 5th-10th most moderate Dem, not 2nd.

In any case, there's a new Moore allegation. This time it's the attempted rape of a 16 year old:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/13/woman-accuses-roy-moore-of-trying-to-rape-her-when-she-was-a-teenager.html
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Senator Cory Gardner (R-CO) has called for Moore's expulsion from the Senate if he wins (requires 67 votes).
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Hannity retweeting White Supremacists:

https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2017/11/13/Screen_Shot_2017-11-13_at_10.58.52_AM.png
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I hope people go out and buy keurig machines specifically to break them
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