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MalcolmMasher 11/12/17 12:13:22 PM #302:	It is a good attempt at a backdoor technicality argument. I admire that. However, traitor is a word I added and wasn't present in the song verse. Thus, your argument is more directed at me than the song itself. Acknowledged. If you would like to restate your interpretation of the song to remove the word 'traitor', I've no objection. However, I don't think your use of 'traitor' was inaccurate; I think Key did believe that slaves who defected to the British to gain freedom for themselves were doing something morally wrong. To you personally though, do you consider Abraham Lincoln racist? I haven't made any personal study of his writings, but my understanding is that Abraham Lincoln thought that A) black people were inherently inferior to white people, but B) that did not justify enslaving them. Therefore, I would say that Lincoln was racist, although I feel an obligation to qualify this by pointing out that for his time he was less racist than the average American. --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:890243389] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>It is a good attempt at a backdoor technicality argument. I admire that. However, traitor is a word I added and wasn't present in the song verse. Thus, your argument is more directed at me than the song itself. Acknowledged. If you would like to restate your interpretation of the song to remove the word 'traitor', I've no objection. However, I don't think your use of 'traitor' was inaccurate; I think Key did believe that slaves who defected to the British to gain freedom for themselves were doing something morally wrong. To you personally though, do you consider Abraham Lincoln racist? I haven't made any personal study of his writings, but my understanding is that Abraham Lincoln thought that A) black people were inherently inferior to white people, but B) that did not justify enslaving them. Therefore, I would say that Lincoln was racist, although I feel an obligation to qualify this by pointing out that for his time he was less racist than the average American.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 12:15:48 PM #303:	DeathChicken posted... I am not surprised at that, but I am kind of surprised a guy with a daughter would try to condone pedophilia through weasel words. That's a special kind of weird, and I feel bad thinking about it and the implications for his family I do not have a daughter. You are still mislabeling. Like, why can't he be a monster because he broke the law and engaged in illegal conduct with an underaged girl? Why does he have to be labeled like a guy who took 4 year olds and violated them? I do not get why the first isn't a bad enough scenario to be a monster and that you have to move the goal posts factually incorrectly to have a good enough monster label? And, no, I am against all sides when it comes to this shit. I just do not outright believe the alleged victim just because they said it happened. I remember being called a supporter of rapists because I said I would wait for the facts of a case before judging those two NYPD cops accused of raping that girl (who likely are Democrats based on demographics). I believe those guilty of such crimes should be prosecuted. I believe they should step down if it is uncovered. I also believe that it needs to be proven and not to blindly just believe the person accusing either. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890243545] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>DeathChicken posted...</cite> <quote>I am not surprised at that, but I am kind of surprised a guy with a daughter would try to condone pedophilia through weasel words. That's a special kind of weird, and I feel bad thinking about it and the implications for his family</quote> I do not have a daughter. You are still mislabeling. Like, why can't he be a monster because he broke the law and engaged in illegal conduct with an underaged girl? Why does he have to be labeled like a guy who took 4 year olds and violated them? I do not get why the first isn't a bad enough scenario to be a monster and that you have to move the goal posts factually incorrectly to have a good enough monster label? And, no, I am against all sides when it comes to this shit. I just do not outright believe the alleged victim just because they said it happened. I remember being called a supporter of rapists because I said I would wait for the facts of a case before judging those two NYPD cops accused of raping that girl (who likely are Democrats based on demographics). I believe those guilty of such crimes should be prosecuted. I believe they should step down if it is uncovered. I also believe that it needs to be proven and not to blindly just believe the person accusing either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 12:17:01 PM #304:	MalcolmMasher posted... It is a good attempt at a backdoor technicality argument. I admire that. However, traitor is a word I added and wasn't present in the song verse. Thus, your argument is more directed at me than the song itself. Acknowledged. If you would like to restate your interpretation of the song to remove the word 'traitor', I've no objection. However, I don't think your use of 'traitor' was inaccurate; I think Key did believe that slaves who defected to the British to gain freedom for themselves were doing something morally wrong. To you personally though, do you consider Abraham Lincoln racist? I haven't made any personal study of his writings, but my understanding is that Abraham Lincoln thought that A) black people were inherently inferior to white people, but B) that did not justify enslaving them. Therefore, I would say that Lincoln was racist, although I feel an obligation to qualify this by pointing out that for his time he was less racist than the average American. Do you think Abraham Lincoln's goal was to have a freed African American population in the United States? --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890243592] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>MalcolmMasher posted...</cite> <quote>It is a good attempt at a backdoor technicality argument. I admire that. However, traitor is a word I added and wasn't present in the song verse. Thus, your argument is more directed at me than the song itself. Acknowledged. If you would like to restate your interpretation of the song to remove the word 'traitor', I've no objection. However, I don't think your use of 'traitor' was inaccurate; I think Key did believe that slaves who defected to the British to gain freedom for themselves were doing something morally wrong. To you personally though, do you consider Abraham Lincoln racist? I haven't made any personal study of his writings, but my understanding is that Abraham Lincoln thought that A) black people were inherently inferior to white people, but B) that did not justify enslaving them. Therefore, I would say that Lincoln was racist, although I feel an obligation to qualify this by pointing out that for his time he was less racist than the average American.</quote> Do you think Abraham Lincoln's goal was to have a freed African American population in the United States?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 11/12/17 12:35:44 PM #305:	If a 32 year old man had sex with my teen daughter, I'd probably be in jail. --- Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool." <cite>Ashethan posted [p:890244515] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>If a 32 year old man had sex with my teen daughter, I'd probably be in jail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 11/12/17 12:35:48 PM #306:	Do you think Abraham Lincoln's goal was to have a freed African American population in the United States? Technically there were already some free African Americans in the United States, but I get what you mean. Lincoln was a Republican, at a time when Republican meant "anti-slavery". If I recall correctly, though, in campaign speeches Lincoln stated that, if elected, he would not attempt to stamp out slavery but would prevent it from spreading. I think this was sincere. My conclusion is that Lincoln personally opposed slavery, but professionally felt his first obligation was to preserve the Union, and would therefore have chosen to avoid attacking slavery directly and risking civil war. I think that if the South had said "okay fine, let's see how this works out" and stayed part of the Union, then there would still have been slaves in America at the end of Lincoln's term(s). So... his dream, yes, but his goal, no. I think in Lincoln's long-term plans, freeing all the slaves would be something done through legislation after decades of free-only expansion gave the free states a veto-proof legislative bloc. (Though I'm sure if Congress _had_ managed to legitimately pass a bill banning slavery under "Alternate Universe : Sedate South" Lincoln, he'd have signed it.) --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:890244520] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Do you think Abraham Lincoln's goal was to have a freed African American population in the United States? Technically there were already some free African Americans in the United States, but I get what you mean. Lincoln was a Republican, at a time when Republican meant "anti-slavery". If I recall correctly, though, in campaign speeches Lincoln stated that, if elected, he would not attempt to stamp out slavery but would prevent it from spreading. I think this was sincere. My conclusion is that Lincoln personally opposed slavery, but professionally felt his first obligation was to preserve the Union, and would therefore have chosen to avoid attacking slavery directly and risking civil war. I think that if the South had said "okay fine, let's see how this works out" and stayed part of the Union, then there would still have been slaves in America at the end of Lincoln's term(s). So... his dream, yes, but his goal, no. I think in Lincoln's long-term plans, freeing all the slaves would be something done through legislation after decades of free-only expansion gave the free states a veto-proof legislative bloc. (Though I'm sure if Congress _had_ managed to legitimately pass a bill banning slavery under "Alternate Universe : Sedate South" Lincoln, he'd have signed it.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 12:37:59 PM #307:	MalcolmMasher posted... Do you think Abraham Lincoln's goal was to have a freed African American population in the United States? Technically there were already some free African Americans in the United States, but I get what you mean. Lincoln was a Republican, at a time when Republican meant "anti-slavery". If I recall correctly, though, in campaign speeches Lincoln stated that, if elected, he would not attempt to stamp out slavery but would prevent it from spreading. I think this was sincere. My conclusion is that Lincoln personally opposed slavery, but professionally felt his first obligation was to preserve the Union, and would therefore have chosen to avoid attacking slavery directly and risking civil war. I think that if the South had said "okay fine, let's see how this works out" and stayed part of the Union, then there would still have been slaves in America at the end of Lincoln's term(s). So... his dream, yes, but his goal, no. I think in Lincoln's long-term plans, freeing all the slaves would be something done through legislation after decades of free-only expansion gave the free states a veto-proof legislative bloc. (Though I'm sure if Congress _had_ managed to legitimately pass a bill banning slavery under "Alternate Universe : Sedate South" Lincoln, he'd have signed it.) From what I have read, Abraham Lincoln supported freeing and removing African Americans from America and having them go back to Africa foremost. Liberia was set up to send African Americans back to Africa ( not by him personally). A good bit of abolitionists that are read about actually believed African Americans should be deported back to Africa. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890244638] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>MalcolmMasher posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think Abraham Lincoln's goal was to have a freed African American population in the United States? Technically there were already some free African Americans in the United States, but I get what you mean. Lincoln was a Republican, at a time when Republican meant "anti-slavery". If I recall correctly, though, in campaign speeches Lincoln stated that, if elected, he would not attempt to stamp out slavery but would prevent it from spreading. I think this was sincere. My conclusion is that Lincoln personally opposed slavery, but professionally felt his first obligation was to preserve the Union, and would therefore have chosen to avoid attacking slavery directly and risking civil war. I think that if the South had said "okay fine, let's see how this works out" and stayed part of the Union, then there would still have been slaves in America at the end of Lincoln's term(s). So... his dream, yes, but his goal, no. I think in Lincoln's long-term plans, freeing all the slaves would be something done through legislation after decades of free-only expansion gave the free states a veto-proof legislative bloc. (Though I'm sure if Congress _had_ managed to legitimately pass a bill banning slavery under "Alternate Universe : Sedate South" Lincoln, he'd have signed it.)</quote> From what I have read, Abraham Lincoln supported freeing and removing African Americans from America and having them go back to Africa foremost. Liberia was set up to send African Americans back to Africa ( not by him personally). A good bit of abolitionists that are read about actually believed African Americans should be deported back to Africa.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 11/12/17 12:49:19 PM #308:	I knew about Liberia; I didn't know Lincoln was a supporter, but it's plausible. To the Wikipedia! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society TLDR: Lincoln was not a founder but did support their goals; he unsuccessfully attempted to arrange resettlements early in his presidency; he may have changed his mind during the Civil War, but it's not impossible that he simply stopped talking about it. A different page (Abraham Lincoln and slavery) provides the reassuring addition that Lincoln only supported resettling people who were willing to leave, a belief which I expect was prevalent, but not universal. --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:890245194] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>I knew about Liberia; I didn't know Lincoln was a supporter, but it's plausible. To the Wikipedia! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society TLDR: Lincoln was not a founder but did support their goals; he unsuccessfully attempted to arrange resettlements early in his presidency; he may have changed his mind during the Civil War, but it's not impossible that he simply stopped talking about it. A different page (Abraham Lincoln and slavery) provides the reassuring addition that Lincoln only supported resettling people who were willing to leave, a belief which I expect was prevalent, but not universal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 12:53:36 PM #309:	There was a lot of economics in play in regards to the freeing of slaves. In motivations to wanting them freed, not wanting them freed, and the African-American "issue" if they were freed. That said, we kind of went horribly off tangent. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890245423] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>There was a lot of economics in play in regards to the freeing of slaves. In motivations to wanting them freed, not wanting them freed, and the African-American "issue" if they were freed. That said, we kind of went horribly off tangent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 11/12/17 12:56:05 PM #310:	That said, we kind of went horribly off tangent. Um, I did kinda figure you were going somewhere with this. <_< Corrik, have you led me astray with your wiles and historical questions? --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:890245556] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>That said, we kind of went horribly off tangent. Um, I did kinda figure you were going somewhere with this. <_< Corrik, have you led me astray with your wiles and historical questions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 1:03:56 PM #311:	MalcolmMasher posted... That said, we kind of went horribly off tangent. Um, I did kinda figure you were going somewhere with this. <_< Corrik, have you led me astray with your wiles and historical questions? Well, I was going for... What you view as Racist today by our standards may not have been really by then standards. That opens a huge can of worms on this board though with everyone coming out to call me a racist as in the past because many here view racist is racist end of story and that doesn't matter on the times. Which I assume means for all crimes. I kind of decided halfway through it that I didn't want to deal with the nonsense that was gonna bring. Lol --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890245975] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>MalcolmMasher posted...</cite> <quote>That said, we kind of went horribly off tangent. Um, I did kinda figure you were going somewhere with this. <_< Corrik, have you led me astray with your wiles and historical questions?</quote> Well, I was going for... What you view as Racist today by our standards may not have been really by then standards. That opens a huge can of worms on this board though with everyone coming out to call me a racist as in the past because many here view racist is racist end of story and that doesn't matter on the times. Which I assume means for all crimes. I kind of decided halfway through it that I didn't want to deal with the nonsense that was gonna bring. Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/12/17 1:07:14 PM #312:	I didn't care about the national anthem at all, but thanks to Corrik I'm now actively in favor of tossing it. Very convincing. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:890246143] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>I didn't care about the national anthem at all, but thanks to Corrik I'm now actively in favor of tossing it. Very convincing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/12/17 1:09:07 PM #313:	LapisLazuli posted... I didn't care about the national anthem at all, but thanks to Corrik I'm now actively in favor of tossing it. Very convincing. Those sanctimonious conservatives lectured me all the time and now Im a Maoist --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890246240] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't care about the national anthem at all, but thanks to Corrik I'm now actively in favor of tossing it. Very convincing.</quote> Those sanctimonious conservatives lectured me all the time and now Im a Maoist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 1:09:10 PM #314:	LapisLazuli posted... I didn't care about the national anthem at all, but thanks to Corrik I'm now actively in favor of tossing it. Very convincing. You were for whatever side the Left was for regardless. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890246242] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't care about the national anthem at all, but thanks to Corrik I'm now actively in favor of tossing it. Very convincing.</quote> You were for whatever side the Left was for regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 11/12/17 1:33:25 PM #315:	Well, I was going for... What you view as Racist today by our standards may not have been really by then standards. Ah. Yeah that's a can of worms, and one I believe we've personally gotten into before. Let me say this, though, and then fall silent: I don't think it's relevant. I believe the objections to the Star Spangled Banner are from people who are offended by (their reading of) the lyrics, not from people who are offended by America choosing to honor the author. (Now, it had been written by Jefferson Davis...) --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:890247554] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Well, I was going for... What you view as Racist today by our standards may not have been really by then standards. Ah. Yeah that's a can of worms, and one I believe we've personally gotten into before. Let me say this, though, and then fall silent: I don't think it's relevant. I believe the objections to the Star Spangled Banner are from people who are offended by (their reading of) the lyrics, not from people who are offended by America choosing to honor the author. (Now, it had been written by Jefferson Davis...)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 11/12/17 1:38:09 PM #316:	Don't really see a big deal about changing the anthem. It was only declared our national anthem in 1931. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:890247799] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Don't really see a big deal about changing the anthem. It was only declared our national anthem in 1931.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/12/17 1:38:44 PM #317:	https://twitter.com/fuctupmind/status/929567516757774336 Hannity fans are very mad at Keurig for pulling their ads from his show --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890247826] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/fuctupmind/status/929567516757774336 Hannity fans are very mad at Keurig for pulling their ads from his show</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 11/12/17 1:40:23 PM #318:	Honestly, who cares one way or the other? Petition to change the National Anthem to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=desJKYvdq9A --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:890247915] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, who cares one way or the other? Petition to change the National Anthem to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=desJKYvdq9A</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 11/12/17 1:47:10 PM #319:	Why the fuck is this making you shit yourself, Corrik. How the fuck did you go from "not playing the anthem and do you think it's racist" (not really, but I didn't dive deeply) to "Hillary Clinton beheading people" as though they're remotely close. Why the fuck are you so smug to bitch about "people going with what the Left thinks" when you know you're in a topic with mostly left-leaning people. How the fuck are you interpreting "I don't really care" with "I hate the national anthem and get rid of it everywhere" when the former, by definition, cannot be the latter. I'm not using question marks, Corrik, because there is no legitimate answer to any of these questions. Consider the "fucks" to replace them. Not that it matters because you'll just say "lol" instead of confronting the fact that you're wrong. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:890248303] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Why the fuck is this making you shit yourself, Corrik. How the fuck did you go from "not playing the anthem and do you think it's racist" (not really, but I didn't dive deeply) to "Hillary Clinton beheading people" as though they're remotely close. Why the fuck are you so smug to bitch about "people going with what the Left thinks" when you know you're in a topic with mostly left-leaning people. How the fuck are you interpreting "I don't really care" with "I hate the national anthem and get rid of it everywhere" when the former, by definition, cannot be the latter. I'm not using question marks, Corrik, because there is no legitimate answer to any of these questions. Consider the "fucks" to replace them. Not that it matters because you'll just say "lol" instead of confronting the fact that you're wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 1:48:44 PM #320:	trdl23 posted... Why the fuck is this making you shit yourself, Corrik. How the fuck did you go from "not playing the anthem and do you think it's racist" (not really, but I didn't dive deeply) to "Hillary Clinton beheading people" as though they're remotely close. Why the fuck are you so smug to bitch about "people going with what the Left thinks" when you know you're in a topic with mostly left-leaning people. How the fuck are you interpreting "I don't really care" with "I hate the national anthem and get rid of it everywhere" when the former, by definition, cannot be the latter. I'm not using question marks, Corrik, because there is no legitimate answer to any of these questions. Consider the "fucks" to replace them. Not that it matters because you'll just say "lol" instead of confronting the fact that you're wrong. No idea what you are talking about but ok. Thanks for the contribution. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890248395] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the fuck is this making you shit yourself, Corrik. How the fuck did you go from "not playing the anthem and do you think it's racist" (not really, but I didn't dive deeply) to "Hillary Clinton beheading people" as though they're remotely close. Why the fuck are you so smug to bitch about "people going with what the Left thinks" when you know you're in a topic with mostly left-leaning people. How the fuck are you interpreting "I don't really care" with "I hate the national anthem and get rid of it everywhere" when the former, by definition, cannot be the latter. I'm not using question marks, Corrik, because there is no legitimate answer to any of these questions. Consider the "fucks" to replace them. Not that it matters because you'll just say "lol" instead of confronting the fact that you're wrong.</quote> No idea what you are talking about but ok. Thanks for the contribution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/12/17 2:09:46 PM #321:	We know you don't get it, Corrik. Nothing is more obvious. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:890249550] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>We know you don't get it, Corrik. Nothing is more obvious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 2:13:45 PM #322:	LapisLazuli posted... We know you don't get it, Corrik. Nothing is more obvious. Yeah, I do not get when people literally make stuff up that never happened instead of just giving input on a discussion topic, if they wished to do so. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890249781] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>We know you don't get it, Corrik. Nothing is more obvious.</quote> Yeah, I do not get when people literally make stuff up that never happened instead of just giving input on a discussion topic, if they wished to do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 11/12/17 2:27:39 PM #323:	Regarding the Star Spangled Banner: 1) One argument for getting rid of it is that it's (musically) terribly written and difficult to sing - it covers an extremely wide range, making it hard for people without much musical training to sing it. Plus it's in 3 so you can't march to it, a key requirement for a good patriotic song. 2) An (admittedly biased) source on the racism behind the song: http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893 To understand the full Star-Spangled Banner story, you have to understand the author. Key was an aristocrat and city prosecutor in Washington, D.C. He was, like most enlightened men at the time, not against slavery; he just thought that since blacks were mentally inferior, masters should treat them with more Christian kindness. He supported sending free blacks (not slaves) back to Africa and, with a few exceptions, was about as pro-slavery, anti-black and anti-abolitionist as you could get at the time. Of particular note was Keys opposition to the idea of the Colonial Marines. The Marines were a battalion of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in exchange for their freedom. The Marines were not only a terrifying example of what slaves would do if given the chance, but also a repudiation of the white superiority that men like Key were so invested in. All of these ideas and concepts came together around Aug. 24, 1815, at the Battle of Bladensburg, where Key, who was serving as a lieutenant at the time, ran into a battalion of Colonial Marines. His troops were taken to the woodshed by the very black folks he disdained, and he fled back to his home in Georgetown to lick his wounds. The British troops, emboldened by their victory in Bladensburg, then marched into Washington, D.C., burning the Library of Congress, the Capitol Building and the White House. You can imagine that Key was very much in his feelings seeing black soldiers trampling on the city he so desperately loved. A few weeks later, in September of 1815, far from being a captive, Key was on a British boat begging for the release of one of his friends, a doctor named William Beanes. Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1815. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write The Star-Spangled Banner right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army: And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battles confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has washd out their foul footsteps pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave Oer the land of the free and the home of the brave. In other words, Key was saying that the blood of all the former slaves and hirelings on the battlefield will wash away the pollution of the British invaders. With Key still bitter that some black soldiers got the best of him a few weeks earlier, The Star-Spangled Banner is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom. Perhaps thats why it took almost 100 years for the song to become the national anthem. Do note that the author is a professor of political science; presumably he knows what he's talking about here. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:890250517] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Regarding the Star Spangled Banner: 1) One argument for getting rid of it is that it's (musically) terribly written and difficult to sing - it covers an extremely wide range, making it hard for people without much musical training to sing it. Plus it's in 3 so you can't march to it, a key requirement for a good patriotic song. 2) An (admittedly biased) source on the racism behind the song: http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893 To understand the full Star-Spangled Banner story, you have to understand the author. Key was an aristocrat and city prosecutor in Washington, D.C. He was, like most enlightened men at the time, not against slavery; he just thought that since blacks were mentally inferior, masters should treat them with more Christian kindness. He supported sending free blacks (not slaves) back to Africa and, with a few exceptions, was about as pro-slavery, anti-black and anti-abolitionist as you could get at the time. Of particular note was Keys opposition to the idea of the Colonial Marines. The Marines were a battalion of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in exchange for their freedom. The Marines were not only a terrifying example of what slaves would do if given the chance, but also a repudiation of the white superiority that men like Key were so invested in. All of these ideas and concepts came together around Aug. 24, 1815, at the Battle of Bladensburg, where Key, who was serving as a lieutenant at the time, ran into a battalion of Colonial Marines. His troops were taken to the woodshed by the very black folks he disdained, and he fled back to his home in Georgetown to lick his wounds. The British troops, emboldened by their victory in Bladensburg, then marched into Washington, D.C., burning the Library of Congress, the Capitol Building and the White House. You can imagine that Key was very much in his feelings seeing black soldiers trampling on the city he so desperately loved. A few weeks later, in September of 1815, far from being a captive, Key was on a British boat begging for the release of one of his friends, a doctor named William Beanes. Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1815. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write The Star-Spangled Banner right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army: And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battles confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has washd out their foul footsteps pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave Oer the land of the free and the home of the brave. In other words, Key was saying that the blood of all the former slaves and hirelings on the battlefield will wash away the pollution of the British invaders. With Key still bitter that some black soldiers got the best of him a few weeks earlier, The Star-Spangled Banner is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom. Perhaps thats why it took almost 100 years for the song to become the national anthem. Do note that the author is a professor of political science; presumably he knows what he's talking about here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 11/12/17 2:33:33 PM #324:	Not_an_Owl posted... Plus it's in 3 so you can't march to it Well having personally marched to songs in 3 I can guarantee you this part isn't true at least. It's of course easier to march to a song in 2/4 or 4/4, but it's certainly not impossible to march to a song in 3/4. --- Congratulations to BK_Sheikah00, this year's guru to achieve contest enlightenment! <cite>pyresword posted [p:890250827] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>Plus it's in 3 so you can't march to it</quote> Well having personally marched to songs in 3 I can guarantee you this part isn't true at least. It's of course easier to march to a song in 2/4 or 4/4, but it's certainly not impossible to march to a song in 3/4.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/12/17 2:51:36 PM #325:	Regaro posted... Are you guys even remotely surprised Corrik is only defending Moore because he's a Republican, and then will turn around and accuse people of only defending someone becaise they're a democrat (I recall him doing this with some of Obama's actions before, but I'd have to go archive digging for examples)? Corrik posted... You were for whatever side the Left was for regardless. oh hey, looks like you won't have to do any archive digging. we have corrik doing something similar right here. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890251855] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Regaro posted...</cite> <quote>Are you guys even remotely surprised Corrik is only defending Moore because he's a Republican, and then will turn around and accuse people of only defending someone becaise they're a democrat (I recall him doing this with some of Obama's actions before, but I'd have to go archive digging for examples)?</quote> <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>You were for whatever side the Left was for regardless.</quote> oh hey, looks like you won't have to do any archive digging. we have corrik doing something similar right here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 2:56:42 PM #326:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Regaro posted... Are you guys even remotely surprised Corrik is only defending Moore because he's a Republican, and then will turn around and accuse people of only defending someone becaise they're a democrat (I recall him doing this with some of Obama's actions before, but I'd have to go archive digging for examples)? Corrik posted... You were for whatever side the Left was for regardless. oh hey, looks like you won't have to do any archive digging. we have corrik doing something similar right here. Do you guys really struggle that bad with reading? How many times are you going to misread and attribute things to me? lol --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890252135] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Regaro posted...</cite> <quote>Are you guys even remotely surprised Corrik is only defending Moore because he's a Republican, and then will turn around and accuse people of only defending someone becaise they're a democrat (I recall him doing this with some of Obama's actions before, but I'd have to go archive digging for examples)?</quote> <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>You were for whatever side the Left was for regardless.</quote> oh hey, looks like you won't have to do any archive digging. we have corrik doing something similar right here.</quote> Do you guys really struggle that bad with reading? How many times are you going to misread and attribute things to me? lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/12/17 3:00:14 PM #327:	please explain to me how "LTM is for whatever side the left is for" is not an example of what reg was describing. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890252351] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>please explain to me how "LTM is for whatever side the left is for" is not an example of what reg was describing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 3:12:58 PM #328:	Mr Lasastryke posted... please explain to me how "LTM is for whatever side the left is for" is not an example of what reg was describing. He said I do that. Me saying he does that does not mean I do that. Lol. Important to read what he was actually saying. He said I am defending Moore when I did no such thing. I merely stated the facts of the case and said if true, he should be prosecuted if possible and should step down. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890253100] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>please explain to me how "LTM is for whatever side the left is for" is not an example of what reg was describing.</quote> He said I do that. Me saying he does that does not mean I do that. Lol. Important to read what he was actually saying. He said I am defending Moore when I did no such thing. I merely stated the facts of the case and said if true, he should be prosecuted if possible and should step down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 11/12/17 3:16:20 PM #329:	They're not even quoting you talking about Moore, dumb ass. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:890253311] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>They're not even quoting you talking about Moore, dumb ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 3:20:11 PM #330:	Regaro posted... Are you guys even remotely surprised Corrik is only defending Moore because he's a Republican, and then will turn around and accuse people of only defending someone becaise they're a democrat (I recall him doing this with some of Obama's actions before, but I'd have to go archive digging for examples)? Lord give me strength they do not know how to read. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890253539] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Regaro posted... Are you guys even remotely surprised Corrik is only defending Moore because he's a Republican, and then will turn around and accuse people of only defending someone becaise they're a democrat (I recall him doing this with some of Obama's actions before, but I'd have to go archive digging for examples)? Lord give me strength they do not know how to read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/12/17 3:20:58 PM #331:	yeah, i don't see how i misread anything. your argument seems to be "reg is wrong about me defending moore" now. fine, but how does that mean i misread anything? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890253588] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>yeah, i don't see how i misread anything. your argument seems to be "reg is wrong about me defending moore" now. fine, but how does that mean i misread anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 11/12/17 3:26:32 PM #332:	Do you not know what "quoting you" means? Because that's referring to you, not quoting you. He's quoting you responding about the anthem. The part of Reg's statement he was focusing on was clearly the latter part, as that's the part that applies outside of the Moore argument. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:890253904] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Do you not know what "quoting you" means? Because that's referring to you, not quoting you. He's quoting you responding about the anthem. The part of Reg's statement he was focusing on was clearly the latter part, as that's the part that applies outside of the Moore argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 3:37:28 PM #333:	Mr Lasastryke posted... yeah, i don't see how i misread anything. your argument seems to be "reg is wrong about me defending moore" now. fine, but how does that mean i misread anything? Because his entire point was that "I defend people based on their party affiliation and then go and accuse you all (certain ones of you) of just choosing sides based on party affiliation." That is what Reg is saying outright. While I am saying, I do not choose my sides or who to defend on party affiliation. I condemn both sides when I feel they are wrong or support whoever I feel is right. The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks has nothing to do with Reg's point. Reg's point was I was a hypocrite. You said you didn't need to go to the archive that you quoted me being a hypocrite. All you did though was quote me calling out someone for just choosing their positions on party line. Not for being a hypocrite. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890254567] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>yeah, i don't see how i misread anything. your argument seems to be "reg is wrong about me defending moore" now. fine, but how does that mean i misread anything?</quote> Because his entire point was that "I defend people based on their party affiliation and then go and accuse you all (certain ones of you) of just choosing sides based on party affiliation." That is what Reg is saying outright. While I am saying, I do not choose my sides or who to defend on party affiliation. I condemn both sides when I feel they are wrong or support whoever I feel is right. The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks has nothing to do with Reg's point. Reg's point was I was a hypocrite. You said you didn't need to go to the archive that you quoted me being a hypocrite. All you did though was quote me calling out someone for just choosing their positions on party line. Not for being a hypocrite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 11/12/17 3:39:36 PM #334:	The first half being wrong wouldn't disprove the second half of that statement. That's not how that works. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:890254722] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>The first half being wrong wouldn't disprove the second half of that statement. That's not how that works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 3:41:34 PM #335:	kevwaffles posted... The first half being wrong wouldn't disprove the second half of that statement. That's not how that works. The point requires both halves to be true to prove the point. It is a 2 part hypocrisy argument. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890254853] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote>The first half being wrong wouldn't disprove the second half of that statement. That's not how that works.</quote> The point requires both halves to be true to prove the point. It is a 2 part hypocrisy argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/12/17 3:44:05 PM #336:	Corrik posted... The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks Personally, I think you have a tendency of assuming this too often. Or at the very least of not responding that well when it's turned around on you by others in this topic. I don't like wading into these kind of arguments that often because they seem especially pointless to me, but IMO you seem to have little problem stating the motives of others in this topic while taking issue when others do it to you. If you're going to complain when some people in this topic accuse you of acting on a partisan basis it strikes me as a bit hypocritical when you'll do the same. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890255001] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks</quote> Personally, I think you have a tendency of assuming this too often. Or at the very least of not responding that well when it's turned around on you by others in this topic. I don't like wading into these kind of arguments that often because they seem especially pointless to me, but IMO you seem to have little problem stating the motives of others in this topic while taking issue when others do it to you. If you're going to complain when some people in this topic accuse you of acting on a partisan basis it strikes me as a bit hypocritical when you'll do the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 11/12/17 3:44:58 PM #337:	Blatantly doing the second half doesn't not happen if you didn't do the first half. I don't give a shit if the overall point is good or not. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:890255050] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Blatantly doing the second half doesn't not happen if you didn't do the first half. I don't give a shit if the overall point is good or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 3:48:08 PM #338:	kevwaffles posted... Blatantly doing the second half doesn't not happen if you didn't do the first half. I don't give a shit if the overall point is good or not. You are just really digging your own grave and getting torn apart at this point. You aren't not grasping points and what is being said. You are now regurgitating arguments which have already been proven as fallible. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890255234] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote>Blatantly doing the second half doesn't not happen if you didn't do the first half. I don't give a shit if the overall point is good or not.</quote> You are just really digging your own grave and getting torn apart at this point. You aren't not grasping points and what is being said. You are now regurgitating arguments which have already been proven as fallible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/12/17 3:49:24 PM #339:	Always funny to see Corrik tell someone else they're looking bad. A complete lack of self awareness. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:890255333] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Always funny to see Corrik tell someone else they're looking bad. A complete lack of self awareness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 3:49:38 PM #340:	xp1337 posted... Corrik posted... The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks Personally, I think you have a tendency of assuming this too often. Or at the very least of not responding that well when it's turned around on you by others in this topic. I don't like wading into these kind of arguments that often because they seem especially pointless to me, but IMO you seem to have little problem stating the motives of others in this topic while taking issue when others do it to you. If you're going to complain when some people in this topic accuse you of acting on a partisan basis it strikes me as a bit hypocritical when you'll do the same. It is possible that is true. I did preface this by me saying I thought this topic of the anthem being racist was indefensible at the start. So, I did give the benefit of the doubt that they would break ranks here over something that is pretty outright ridiculous and denounce it. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890255350] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks</quote> Personally, I think you have a tendency of assuming this too often. Or at the very least of not responding that well when it's turned around on you by others in this topic. I don't like wading into these kind of arguments that often because they seem especially pointless to me, but IMO you seem to have little problem stating the motives of others in this topic while taking issue when others do it to you. If you're going to complain when some people in this topic accuse you of acting on a partisan basis it strikes me as a bit hypocritical when you'll do the same.</quote> It is possible that is true. I did preface this by me saying I thought this topic of the anthem being racist was indefensible at the start. So, I did give the benefit of the doubt that they would break ranks here over something that is pretty outright ridiculous and denounce it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 11/12/17 3:51:07 PM #341:	Oh no, I'm getting destroyed in the Court of Corrik Opinion! My life is basically over! --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:890255451] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>Oh no, I'm getting destroyed in the Court of Corrik Opinion! My life is basically over!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 11/12/17 3:54:38 PM #342:	kevwaffles posted... Oh no, I'm getting destroyed in the Court of Corrik Opinion! My life is basically over! It is okay. I will bring you back from the brink. I am a benevolent gaming pal. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:890255679] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote>Oh no, I'm getting destroyed in the Court of Corrik Opinion! My life is basically over!</quote> It is okay. I will bring you back from the brink. I am a benevolent gaming pal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/12/17 4:05:14 PM #343:	Corrik posted... Because his entire point was that "I defend people based on their party affiliation and then go and accuse you all (certain ones of you) of just choosing sides based on party affiliation." That is what Reg is saying outright. While I am saying, I do not choose my sides or who to defend on party affiliation. I condemn both sides when I feel they are wrong or support whoever I feel is right. The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks has nothing to do with Reg's point. Reg's point was I was a hypocrite. You said you didn't need to go to the archive that you quoted me being a hypocrite. All you did though was quote me calling out someone for just choosing their positions on party line. Not for being a hypocrite. i never said you're a hypocrite. nice of you to accuse me of being bad at reading and then misread my post. reg said "i have to go digging in archives to find examples of corrik accusing users of only defending people because they're democrats" and i replied "you don't have to, because he's doing something similar in this very topic." that's all there is to it. i didn't say you're a hypocrite and i didn't accuse you of defending moore. seems like you're grasping at straws to make it seem as if i'm acting unreasonably. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890256350] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Because his entire point was that "I defend people based on their party affiliation and then go and accuse you all (certain ones of you) of just choosing sides based on party affiliation." That is what Reg is saying outright. While I am saying, I do not choose my sides or who to defend on party affiliation. I condemn both sides when I feel they are wrong or support whoever I feel is right. The fact that I do call out people who only decide based on what their party thinks has nothing to do with Reg's point. Reg's point was I was a hypocrite. You said you didn't need to go to the archive that you quoted me being a hypocrite. All you did though was quote me calling out someone for just choosing their positions on party line. Not for being a hypocrite.</quote> i never said you're a hypocrite. nice of you to accuse me of being bad at reading and then misread my post. reg said "i have to go digging in archives to find examples of corrik accusing users of only defending people because they're democrats" and i replied "you don't have to, because he's doing something similar in this very topic." that's all there is to it. i didn't say you're a hypocrite and i didn't accuse you of defending moore. seems like you're grasping at straws to make it seem as if i'm acting unreasonably.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 11/12/17 4:24:05 PM #344:	Jakyl25 posted... A fun graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOXTEaCVoAAv-GM?format=jpg&name=small holy fucking shit lol what's the source on this though <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:890257648] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>A fun graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOXTEaCVoAAv-GM?format=jpg&name=small</quote> holy fucking shit lol what's the source on this though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 11/12/17 5:08:50 PM #345:	That graph is a touch confusing on who actually went down over the years. Is it the unaffiliated or white mainline Protestants? --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:890260564] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>That graph is a touch confusing on who actually went down over the years. Is it the unaffiliated or white mainline Protestants?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/12/17 7:13:00 PM #347:	Paratroopa1 posted... Jakyl25 posted... A fun graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOXTEaCVoAAv-GM?format=jpg&name=small holy fucking shit lol what's the source on this though NPR https://www.npr.org/2016/10/23/498890836/poll-white-evangelicals-have-warmed-to-politicians-who-commit-immoral-acts From a year ago though --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890267910] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>A fun graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOXTEaCVoAAv-GM?format=jpg&name=small</quote> holy fucking shit lol what's the source on this though</quote> NPR https://www.npr.org/2016/10/23/498890836/poll-white-evangelicals-have-warmed-to-politicians-who-commit-immoral-acts From a year ago though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/12/17 7:28:15 PM #348:	https://twitter.com/bradtubb/status/929308041908051969 Some satisfying karma --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890268797] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/bradtubb/status/929308041908051969 Some satisfying karma</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 11/12/17 9:38:09 PM #349:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/bradtubb/status/929308041908051969 Some satisfying karma "Concerned by a sharp fall in the number of EU workers" Oh gee, poor souls. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:890276022] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/bradtubb/status/929308041908051969 Some satisfying karma</quote> "Concerned by a sharp fall in the number of EU workers" Oh gee, poor souls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 11/12/17 10:15:02 PM #350:	...this Trump/Duterte photo https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/929902932778278912 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:890277997] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>...this Trump/Duterte photo https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/929902932778278912</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
transience 11/12/17 10:18:28 PM #351:	we need to fund Trump overseas trips more often. the best pictures come out of them. --- xyzzy <cite>transience posted [p:890278204] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote>we need to fund Trump overseas trips more often. the best pictures come out of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/12/17 10:29:47 PM #352:	transience posted... we need to fund Trump overseas trips more often. the best pictures come out of them. Make golf illegal in the US. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:890278896] in Politics C... [t:75973733]...</cite> <quote><cite>transience posted...</cite> <quote>we need to fund Trump overseas trips more often. the best pictures come out of them.</quote> Make golf illegal in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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