Current Events > Man, I really wish Persona 5 was my GOTY, but it isn't >_>

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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 3:42:57 PM
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I had a blast with the game but it just had too many little problems and then completely fell flat at the end. I'm glad it came out but I wish it was as good as P3/P4 >_> I hope P5 Golden fixes it

The Bad:

-My biggest problem is definitely the pacing. It's all over the place, especially towards the end. Sometimes the game just drags on between dungeons and even during dungeons like 5 and 8. But the last part after palace 7 until the end of the game just takes FOREVER to do. They really should've ended the game at Shido. Instead, right about when we are supposed to get the climax, the game blue-balls us and is like "Hold up ho! You gotta wait like 10 more hours before you can do that lulz" It just meanders and drags until the final boss before it lets go my junk and it legit made me really frustrated. I just wanted the game to end already at that point and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

-The group just doesn't feel as close as the other 2. Ann basically is in the background after Makoto shows up and Haru barely has any time to integrate herself into the group since she shows up so late. She was still a stranger to me at the end of the game and just didn't feel like she belonged. Even Akechi felt more natural to the party because we interacted with him throughout the game beforehand and in his dungeon, he was a team player and interacted with the party a lot, while Haru literally just opens 1 door in her dungeon and then doesn't do jack shit for the rest of it lol. Plus she literally doesn't even get properly introduced into the plot until like the last like 20% of the game, where they just dump all her shit on you at once. I'd still fuck her tho and she does have nice tits >_>

-The texting is really poorly handled lol. It's so hard to read them all and most of the time it's just a repeat of everything you already heard talked about. The worst is the when you complete a dungeon and literally every text EVERY NIGHT is 'I wonder if their heart will change?' 'I guess we'll find out...' x20

-The "shenanigans" cutscenes are awful in this game >_> They start off strong, like the buffet and infiltrating Yusuke's house were great, but after that, they took a nosedive and none of the events are fun to watch. The beach, Hawaii, Culture Festival,and Destinyland were all boring as fuck and barely anything fun happens in them. P4 and maybe even P3 had more fun scenes to bond the party members together.

-Morgana telling you to go the fuck to bed between dungeons is frustrating >_> "Oh you had a 10 minute convo with your friends after school? Better go to bed, you must be tired!" They honestly should've removed that restriction and bumped up all the requirements a tiny bit to compensate. It feels really restrictive on free time when you're not in a dungeon.

-The Good:

-The social links were still aight. The Gun Dealer and Sadayo were top quality links and a lot of fun to do. The only one I didn't really like was Ryuji, but everyone else was fine.

-The hubworld is the best one so far. There's a ton of stuff to do in it and just walking around looking for something to spend time on was legit fun on its own.

-The battle system is better than Golden and is very fun. Even just grinding was fun.

-The music is 10/10 like the rest of the series. I still listen to the music on occasion. Walking around Tokyo at night to 'Beneath the Mask' is fucking GOAT

-You can fuck mad MILFs. And the waifu quality is great. Sadayo, Tae, Makoto, etc. are top tier >_>

-The style of everything is on another level. 3 and 4 were stylish, but 5 is fucking stylish

- MOST of the dungeons were fun. No more random generated crap, they felt like actual dungeons now. Even the not so good ones had a few moments I liked.

-Overall they did a great job with the whole 'Thief' theme of the game. The theming is well put together throughout the game.
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Itachi157
11/15/17 3:43:15 PM
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Mine is Yakuza 0
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GODTIER
11/15/17 3:43:29 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
I had a blast with the game but it just had too many little problems and then completely fell flat at the end. I'm glad it came out but I wish it was as good as P3/P4 >_> I hope P5 Golden fixes it

The Bad:

-My biggest problem is definitely the pacing. It's all over the place, especially towards the end. Sometimes the game just drags on between dungeons and even during dungeons like 5 and 8. But the last part after palace 7 until the end of the game just takes FOREVER to do. They really should've ended the game at Shido. Instead, right about when we are supposed to get the climax, the game blue-balls us and is like "Hold up ho! You gotta wait like 10 more hours before you can do that lulz" It just meanders and drags until the final boss before it lets go my junk and it legit made me really frustrated. I just wanted the game to end already at that point and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

-The group just doesn't feel as close as the other 2. Ann basically is in the background after Makoto shows up and Haru barely has any time to integrate herself into the group since she shows up so late. She was still a stranger to me at the end of the game and just didn't feel like she belonged. Even Akechi felt more natural to the party because we interacted with him throughout the game beforehand and in his dungeon, he was a team player and interacted with the party a lot, while Haru literally just opens 1 door in her dungeon and then doesn't do jack shit for the rest of it lol. Plus she literally doesn't even get properly introduced into the plot until like the last like 20% of the game, where they just dump all her shit on you at once. I'd still fuck her tho and she does have nice tits >_>

-The texting is really poorly handled lol. It's so hard to read them all and most of the time it's just a repeat of everything you already heard talked about. The worst is the when you complete a dungeon and literally every text EVERY NIGHT is 'I wonder if their heart will change?' 'I guess we'll find out...' x20

-The "shenanigans" cutscenes are awful in this game >_> They start off strong, like the buffet and infiltrating Yusuke's house were great, but after that, they took a nosedive and none of the events are fun to watch. The beach, Hawaii, Culture Festival,and Destinyland were all boring as fuck and barely anything fun happens in them. P4 and maybe even P3 had more fun scenes to bond the party members together.

-Morgana telling you to go the fuck to bed between dungeons is frustrating >_> "Oh you had a 10 minute convo with your friends after school? Better go to bed, you must be tired!" They honestly should've removed that restriction and bumped up all the requirements a tiny bit to compensate. It feels really restrictive on free time when you're not in a dungeon.

-The Good:

-The social links were still aight. The Gun Dealer and Sadayo were top quality links and a lot of fun to do. The only one I didn't really like was Ryuji, but everyone else was fine.

-The hubworld is the best one so far. There's a ton of stuff to do in it and just walking around looking for something to spend time on was legit fun on its own.

-The battle system is better than Golden and is very fun. Even just grinding was fun.

-The music is 10/10 like the rest of the series. I still listen to the music on occasion. Walking around Tokyo at night to 'Beneath the Mask' is fucking GOAT

-You can fuck mad MILFs. And the waifu quality is great. Sadayo, Tae, Makoto, etc. are top tier >_>

-The style of everything is on another level. 3 and 4 were stylish, but 5 is fucking stylish

- MOST of the dungeons were fun. No more random generated crap, they felt like actual dungeons now. Even the not so good ones had a few moments I liked.

-Overall they did a great job with the whole 'Thief' theme of the game. The theming is well put together throughout the game.

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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 3:44:52 PM
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metralo
11/15/17 3:45:48 PM
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i still think its best out of the three by a decent margin
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NewerMernardi
11/15/17 3:45:48 PM
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tl;dr

Nier was my GOTY
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 3:48:06 PM
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metralo posted...
i still think its best out of the three by a decent margin

The pacing is honestly the biggest deal breaker. P3 and P4 had some rough spots (December in P3 and the intro to P4) but idk this one hits really hard for some reason. Maybe because it encompasses the full last 10 hours of the game >_> If the game was 10-15 hours shorter, I'd definitely would favor it a lot more.
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BignutzisBack
11/15/17 3:48:21 PM
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TC thinks Persona 4 is a 10/10 game which means this topic proves Persona 5 is easily game of the year
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boxington
11/15/17 3:53:46 PM
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I like it, but yea, the pacing is killing the game, for me.

I got P5 when it first came out, and I'm only at the part where you change the heart of the Boss's adopted daughter
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giantblimpN7
11/15/17 3:54:38 PM
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I'm replaying it for the platinum and by god I understand the pacing issues people have now. I still think it's the best of the 3 and 10 x the game Persona 4 was.
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 3:55:23 PM
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boxington posted...
I like it, but yea, the pacing is killing the game, for me.

I got P5 when it first came out, and I'm only at the part where you change the heart of the Boss's adopted daughter

How many hours you put in so far? >_> I beat the game at 110 hours
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 3:57:20 PM
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giantblimpN7 posted...
I'm replaying it for the platinum and by god I understand the pacing issues people have now. I still think it's the best of the 3 and 10 x the game Persona 4 was.

I got a plat in it too and yeah the 2nd run just hit home all the problems I had. Usually the 2nd playthrough of Persona more fun, but this was worse since the slog was amplified to me >_>
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boxington
11/15/17 3:57:38 PM
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60 something hours.

but I finished that part, and have about 10 days to go.

I thought that I'd have to best two palaces within the time period, so I went through it as fast as I could
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 3:58:53 PM
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boxington posted...
60 something hours.

but I finished that part, and have about 10 days to go.

I thought that I'd have to best two palaces within the time period, so I went through it as fast as I could

The only palaces where you have to do them in 2 days are the art museum and the Casino palace. All the other palaces can be done in 1 shot.
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Alucard188
11/15/17 3:59:11 PM
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Great game, but yeah, not as good as Persona 4 Golden.
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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 3:59:38 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
TC thinks Persona 4 is a 10/10 game which means this topic proves Persona 5 is easily game of the year

3 and 4 are better than 5, 5 has a lot of great elements but everything neon said is exactly how I feel about it and they detract so much from those great elements it's hard to justify 9 years between 4 and 5
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BignutzisBack
11/15/17 4:00:19 PM
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drunkmuggle posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
TC thinks Persona 4 is a 10/10 game which means this topic proves Persona 5 is easily game of the year

3 and 4 are better than 5, 5 has a lot of great elements but everything neon said is exactly how I feel about it and they detract so much from those great elements it's hard to justify 9 years between 4 and 5


4 is one of the worst games ever made though
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 4:00:45 PM
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It sucks that it took 9 years for this game to come out and within that, 4 of those years were them blue balling us with delays lol >_>
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Romulox28
11/15/17 4:05:07 PM
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as someone who had not played a single JRPG in the last 10+ years until P5:

the style & vibe of the game were awesome. i loved the thief theme, the whole "kids solving problems adults cannot" atmosphere (reminded me of the goonies or stranger things in a way), the character party interactions, etc.

gameplay-wise i also thought persona 5 was pretty solid. i loved the emphasis on finishing battles quickly, flashy moves, and collecting and fusing personas is really addictive. i was not a big fan of how reliant the game was on enemy weaknesses, but this was minor once you knew what you were expecting in a palace.

i did have a few big problems though. first and foremost the pacing is really rough. this is a 100 hour game and it knows it. i felt like there is so much wasted time, pointless filler (like the hawaii trip), etc. mementos was a real drag as well and i hated how it was mandatory.

this might be a complaint with JRPGs in general but i also didnt like how theres a complete lack of choice in the game. everything is on rails. when i heard of the persona series i figured the social aspect would be more involved, but really all that S links are is triggering 10 cutscenes.

The only choice is you deciding which line of cutscenes you want to trigger, with the outcomes for them always being static. I found that to be really dull since I think one of the most important elements of an RPG is choice, especially since you are "roleplaying" as a silent protagonist in persona 5.

overall i enjoyed what i played of persona 5, but i felt like it really dragged and the charm started eroding as the game went on (and especially as the party started getting bigger). i think part of it is the game design and part of it is how i really dislike anime lol
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Drrobotniks
11/15/17 4:06:54 PM
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drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

nah 5 is better than 3 and 4
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 4:08:37 PM
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Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

nah 3 and 4 are better than 5

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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 4:09:06 PM
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Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

you're right

Thanks

BignutzisBack posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
TC thinks Persona 4 is a 10/10 game which means this topic proves Persona 5 is easily game of the year

3 and 4 are better than 5, 5 has a lot of great elements but everything neon said is exactly how I feel about it and they detract so much from those great elements it's hard to justify 9 years between 4 and 5


4 is one of the worst games ever made though

what why do you hate 4 so much
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NeverOffended
11/15/17 4:09:21 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

nah 3 and 4 are better than 5


nah 3 and 5 are better than 4
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Drrobotniks
11/15/17 4:11:23 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

nah 5 are better than 3 and 4


I know right?
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boxington
11/15/17 4:11:41 PM
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between the two, I thought that P3 had a better story than P4, but P4 had better, more relatable characters.
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 4:13:04 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
i figured the social aspect would be more involved, but really all that S links are is triggering 10 cutscenes.

Yeah, the only things they affect are if you fuck them or not (which why wouldn't you fuck them lol) and who you spend Christmas/Valentine's with. Otherwise you're just choosing who's story you want to watch for the day.
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 4:14:31 PM
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boxington posted...
between the two, I thought that P3 had a better story than P4, but P4 had better, more relatable characters.

Yeah, P3 still has the best story of the 3 and the best final boss too. P4 and P5's final bosses were lame compared to P3's >_>
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Alucard188
11/15/17 4:16:46 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
i did have a few big problems though. first and foremost the pacing is really rough. this is a 100 hour game and it knows it. i felt like there is so much wasted time, pointless filler (like the hawaii trip), etc. mementos was a real drag as well and i hated how it was mandatory.


The Hawaii isn't pointless though; it sets up for the next story arc by focusing on how much the notoriety of the Phantom Thieves has grown as of late, and points out how a Japanese business magnate has inexplicably grown in scope and magnitude over the last little while. The problem is they didn't allow the player to have fun with the characters, which P3 and P4 did. In P3, it was about picking up girls on a resort island, while in P4 is was about "I'M READY TO BE BORN, DAMNIT!". They tried it again in P5, but it wasn't as good. Also, Mishima is a dork, and you spend _way_ too much time with him in the game.
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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 4:17:05 PM
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Drrobotniks posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

3 and 4 are better than 5


you're right, I just have really bad taste and low standards


Alucard188 posted...
Romulox28 posted...
i did have a few big problems though. first and foremost the pacing is really rough. this is a 100 hour game and it knows it. i felt like there is so much wasted time, pointless filler (like the hawaii trip), etc. mementos was a real drag as well and i hated how it was mandatory.


The Hawaii isn't pointless though; it sets up for the next story arc by focusing on how much the notoriety of the Phantom Thieves has grown as of late, and points out how a Japanese business magnate has inexplicably grown in scope and magnitude over the last little while. The problem is they didn't allow the player to have fun with the characters, which P3 and P4 did. In P3, it was about picking up girls on a resort island, while in P4 is was about "I'M READY TO BE BORN, DAMNIT!". They tried it again in P5, but it wasn't as good. Also, Mishima is a dork.

hawaii felt like they put no effort into it, even the characters were talking about how lame it was. why didn't they make it interesting
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Kircheis
11/15/17 4:17:12 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
The only one I didn't really like was Ryuji, but everyone else was fine.

See this is where I straight up disagree, I thought he was a great character in his confidant. Too bad the main story didn't get the memo.

I'll forgive his stupid moments in the main story just for how consistently useful he is in combat though.
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Drrobotniks
11/15/17 4:18:19 PM
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drunkmuggle posted...
Drrobotniks posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

3 and 4 are better than 5


I'm wrong, I also shitpost alot so there's really no reason to take me seriously
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Darmik
11/15/17 4:18:25 PM
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I loved Persona 3 and 4 but I played them both on PSP/Vita. I don't know if I can handle that game on a console.
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Romulox28
11/15/17 4:18:55 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Romulox28 posted...
i figured the social aspect would be more involved, but really all that S links are is triggering 10 cutscenes.

Yeah, the only things they affect are if you fuck them or not (which why wouldn't you fuck them lol) and who you spend Christmas/Valentine's with. Otherwise you're just choosing who's story you want to watch for the day.

yea, and i don't think that's inherently bad at all, just a little different and a tad bit disappointing because i was kind of hoping you'd be able to kind of customize your relationships with party members.

persona 5 was like when you're hanging out with a friend and he tells a story that is interesting at first, but then it just goes on and on and you're wondering why he is telling you about how he took part in a burger eating contest every single night
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Alucard188
11/15/17 4:20:59 PM
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Darmik posted...
I loved Persona 3 and 4 but I played them both on PSP/Vita. I don't know if I can handle that game on a console.


I much prefer P3 FES on console because the presentation is so much better. Yeah, you lose out on a banging new OP, playing as a girl, some new SLs, and being able to control your entire party, but the game's story-telling relies on visual cues. The storybook aspect of P3P doesn't do the story justice. Now, if they did a P4G to P3P, I would be pretty happy with that.
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 4:21:06 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
The problem is they didn't allow the player to have fun with the characters, which P3 and P4 did. In P3, it was about picking up girls on a resort island, while in P4 is was about "I'M READY TO BE BORN, DAMNIT!". They tried it again in P5, but it wasn't as good. Also, Mishima is a dork, and you spend _way_ too much time with him in the game.

Exactly, all the scenes after dungeon 2 are literal borefests and all they do is talk phantom thieves business and serious stuff and don't have any fun during it. When P4 crew went on a trip, they left all the drama of the main plot behind for a bit and just had silly fun. Even P3 had more fun with Operation Babehunt on their beach scene compared to almost nothing with the P5 beach scene
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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 4:22:23 PM
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Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
Drrobotniks posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
3 and 4 are better than 5

3 and 4 are better than 5


I'm wrong, I also shitpost alot so there's really no reason to take me seriously

lol you're right, congrats on finally admitting it ya doofus
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 4:23:46 PM
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Kircheis posted...
See this is where I straight up disagree, I thought he was a great character in his confidant

idk, I just didn't feel invested in it at all. I gave zero fucks about all the track drama and that was the entirety of his S Link. It was really boring to me >_>
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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 4:23:54 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Exactly, all the scenes after dungeon 2 are literal borefests and all they do is talk phantom thieves business and serious stuff and don't have any fun during it. When P4 crew went on a trip, they left all the drama of the main plot behind for a bit and just had silly fun. Even P3 had more fun with Operation Babehunt on their beach scene compared to almost nothing with the P5 beach scene

god you're reminding me of how bad the social events were in p5, it was so disappointing. they had a great cast of characters and it just ended up being boring
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Drrobotniks
11/15/17 4:24:12 PM
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drunkmuggle posted...
lol you're right,

of course I'm right, there's legit no reason to take you seriously if at all due to all the insane shitposting, lol
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Alucard188
11/15/17 4:25:01 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Alucard188 posted...
The problem is they didn't allow the player to have fun with the characters, which P3 and P4 did. In P3, it was about picking up girls on a resort island, while in P4 is was about "I'M READY TO BE BORN, DAMNIT!". They tried it again in P5, but it wasn't as good. Also, Mishima is a dork, and you spend _way_ too much time with him in the game.

Exactly, all the scenes after dungeon 2 are literal borefests and all they do is talk phantom thieves business and serious stuff and don't have any fun during it. When P4 crew went on a trip, they left all the drama of the main plot behind for a bit and just had silly fun. Even P3 had more fun with Operation Babehunt on their beach scene compared to almost nothing with the P5 beach scene


I mean, you could argue that their constant banging on about the Phantom Thieves is a commentary about how we're always connected to the world through our smartphones, so it's much harder to get away than it was in P4, which happened when they still actually called each other instead of joining group chats. Plus, it was usually Mishima and Ryuji that banged on about the PT, and they both have story reasons why they do it. It's just too bad that they were the characters that were always around the MC.

But yeah, the social gatherings were pretty boring for the most part, and almost always had a factor into the story. They didn't have a social gathering for the sake of having one; there was always a narrative hook to it.
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Romulox28
11/15/17 4:25:28 PM
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imagine how much fun persona 5 could have been if they let you beat the shit out of mishima
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giantblimpN7
11/15/17 4:25:39 PM
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4 is genuinely not good outside of the characters
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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 4:26:02 PM
#43:


Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
lol you're right,

of course I'm right, there's legit no reason to take you seriously if at all due to all the insane shitposting, lol

go look at your post again before spouting some more shitposts

this is why no one listens to you or takes you seriously
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NeverOffended
11/15/17 4:26:21 PM
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spoilers everywhere smh, hopefully no pour souls who haven't finished the game yet don't enter this topic
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Drrobotniks
11/15/17 4:26:52 PM
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drunkmuggle posted...
I think you're actually mentally deficient,

Says the one resorting to ad hominem first, lol

drunkmuggle posted...
this is why no one listens to you or takes you seriously

Projecting something fierce right here
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drunkmuggle
11/15/17 4:28:24 PM
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Drrobotniks posted...
drunkmuggle posted...
I think you're actually mentally deficient,

Says the one resorting to ad hominem first, lol

drunkmuggle posted...
this is why no one listens to you or takes you seriously

Projecting something fierce right here

stop mucking up the topic with you not being able to read please

giantblimpN7 posted...
4 is genuinely not good outside of the characters

that's pretty important in a game that centers around like 8-9 characters for 100 hours
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Alucard188
11/15/17 4:28:55 PM
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giantblimpN7 posted...
4 is genuinely not good outside of the characters


Weak points about P4:

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Randomly generated dungeons, the culprit reveal, and the final dungeon (not the actual dungeon, but the revelation that it exists).

That's pretty much it.
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Drrobotniks
11/15/17 4:29:28 PM
#48:


drunkmuggle posted...
stop mucking up the topic with you not being able to read please

as soon as you stop mucking it up with shitposting, and changing other people's quotes
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MC_BatCommander
11/15/17 4:29:31 PM
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I loved it despite its pacing issues. The fun combat, incredible soundtrack, smooth art style, and generally likable characters made it a fantastic experience start to finish IMO.
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NeonOctopus
11/15/17 4:30:11 PM
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NeverOffended posted...
spoilers everywhere smh, hopefully no pour souls who haven't finished the game yet don't enter this topic

A. Literally where are the spoilers I mentioned besides the party members (which the boxart lists anyway lol)
B. It's been out for 7 months bruh >_>
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