Current Events > Why are so many of you so quick to play devil's advocate for publishers?

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Every single time I make a topic shitting on microtransactions or the greedy assholes behind them, there's always without fail some people who are so desperate to try and find middle ground in these situations where none exists.

Why? These people have shown their hand time and time again how they have no care of customer satisfaction or enjoyment and only care about sucking up as much cash as humanly possible and yet we STILL have people so desperate to rush and reach to their defense and try to make it seem like they aren't trying to fleece us or are doing us a favor or something, how I'm "narrow minded" because I flat out refuse to buy into the notion that these people are doing anything for our benefit.

I makes my head hurt every single time I see someone so fucking desperate to make these greedy soulless assholes not look like the greedy soulless assholes they are, it's just so baffling to see people THIS brainwashed
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ZombiePelican posted...

how I'm "narrow minded" because I flat out refuse

Because you refuse to sway your opinions at all.
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Tmaster148 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

how I'm "narrow minded" because I flat out refuse

Because you refuse to sway your opinions at all.

Why the fuck should I? As I've said a hundred times already, publishers flat out do not deserve us sympathizing with them and looking at things from their pov when their pov only comes from an insatiable avarice for obscene amounts of cash at our expense

It's naive and ignorant to try and take their side making up reasons to make them look good, when again

They. Do. Not. Deserve. It.
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Literally every business is out to make money. If you don't like just don't spend your money on their products.

You don't need to throw a bitch fit on CE about it every day.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Literally every business is out to make money.

No, literally every business is not out to fleece their customers,literally every business is not run by people whose only measure of success in making more money than you've ever seen in your life , literally every business has not thrown customer satisfaction out the window to try and please their insatiable avarice

Tmaster148 posted...

If you don't like just don't spend your money on their products

I don't. But I'm still going to criticize their avaricious business practices that are damaging to the future of this industry.

Tmaster148 posted...

You don't need to throw a bitch fit on CE about it every day.

Then blame the ones who keep pulling these shady greed driven schemes,if they'd stop pulling these stunts I wouldn't be making these topics
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You shit on Duel Links and they're about the only ones who actually do well and don't rip you off with microtransanctions or lot boxes.
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It's literally capitalism. Businesses serve to make a profit. Business will do anything to make that profit. Hence why the government has come in with regulations at times. Maybe you should talk to your representative instead of bitching on a message board.

Just because you don't understand how capitalism works and somehow think only the video game industry is out to exploit it's customers really shows how much it's worth to engage with you.
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Youre not winning people over to your side with your topics, if that is your intent, so you should probably rethink things. If that is not your intent, your topics are pointless bitching and you deserve the backlash.
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El Mexicano Texano posted...

You shit on Duel Links and they're about the only ones who actually do well and don't rip you off with microtransanctions or lot boxes.

Joke post? Duel Links is irrelevant in a world where YGOpro exists.

Tmaster148 posted...

It's literally capitalism. Businesses serve to make a profit.

And this justifies NOTHING. How many times do I have to say this before you get it through your thick fucking skull?

Tmaster148 posted...

Business will do anything to make that profit. Hence why the government has come in with regulations at times.

Which they won't do because publishers keep the government good and lobbied, but by your logic this is a good thing because "captialism"

Tmaster148 posted...

Maybe you should talk to your representative instead of bitching on a message board.

Maybe you should stop acting like a sniveling corporate thrall instead?

Tmaster148 posted...

Just because you don't understand how capitalism works and somehow think only the video game industry is out to exploit it's customers really shows how much it's worth to engage with you.

I know how Capitalism works, but again profit is justification for nothing.

Were banks justified for starting the housing bubble that left millions without a home and crashed our economy because they made a huge profit from it?

What about during WW2 when IBM literally worked with the Nazis, was that justified too because they were profitable?
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The whole, "businesses exist t make money" argument is one I see a lot, and it doesn't really hold water to me anymore. Yes, they exist to make money, however making money does not excuse blatantly predatory practices some companies use to extort their customers.

Every time an ea or wb try something like tying gameplay into lootboxes, they don't have their customers best interests in mind. Lootboxes have now become borderline gambling practices, and prey on people with gambling compulsions by tying favourable outcomes in gameplay to random paid chance.
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most AAA games that use microtransactions manage to break even with sales costs alone. salaries are pre-calculated into the development budget before the project even starts. bonuses might be dependent on revenue, but the base salary absolutely is not

microtransactions are largely revenue stretchers to increase profit for the people at the very top.

tl;dr: they're bad

(side note: it's really weird to see people angry about microtransactions, but then outside of this one issue they're hardcore rightwing libertarian)
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Profit is the justification for businesses. You are literally upset that businesses are engaging in tactics that make them money when that's the whole reason for businesses to exist.

Companies don't care about the customer unless it's profitable too.

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that this is a good thing, because of capitalism. I'm explaining that this is how our system functions and you are acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Profit is the justification for businesses. You are literally upset that businesses are engaging in tactics that make them money when that's the whole reason for businesses to exist.

Companies don't care about the customer unless it's profitable too.

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that this is a good thing, because of capitalism. I'm explaining that this is how our system functions and you are acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it.

saying something is bad =/= acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it
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averagejoel posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Profit is the justification for businesses. You are literally upset that businesses are engaging in tactics that make them money when that's the whole reason for businesses to exist.

Companies don't care about the customer unless it's profitable too.

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that this is a good thing, because of capitalism. I'm explaining that this is how our system functions and you are acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it.

saying something is bad =/= acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it

I would like to redirect you to this post he made earlier.

ZombiePelican posted...

No, literally every business is not out to fleece their customers,literally every business is not run by people whose only measure of success in making more money than you've ever seen in your life , literally every business has not thrown customer satisfaction out the window to try and please their insatiable avarice

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Tmaster148 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Profit is the justification for businesses. You are literally upset that businesses are engaging in tactics that make them money when that's the whole reason for businesses to exist.

Companies don't care about the customer unless it's profitable too.

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I never said that this is a good thing, because of capitalism. I'm explaining that this is how our system functions and you are acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it.

saying something is bad =/= acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it

I would like to redirect you to this post he made earlier.

ZombiePelican posted...

No, literally every business is not out to fleece their customers,literally every business is not run by people whose only measure of success in making more money than you've ever seen in your life , literally every business has not thrown customer satisfaction out the window to try and please their insatiable avarice

that's correct though, if a little easy to misconstrue: there are businesses that do not have profit for shareholders as their main objective.
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Tmaster148 posted...

rofit is the justification for businesses. You are literally upset that businesses are engaging in tactics that make them money when that's the whole reason for businesses to exist.

For the hundredth fucking time, profit is not and never will be justification for predatory businesses tactics and shady anti consumer bullshit like microtransactions in full priced games or lootboxes.

I also love how you dodged those two questions I asked.

Tmaster148 posted...

Companies don't care about the customer unless it's profitable too.

Lol what? And you claim I'm the one who doesn't understand Capitalism. The first rule of business is the customer is always right, if you don't take care of your customers you have nobody to buy your shit

Tmaster148 posted...

I'm explaining that this is how our system functions and you are acting ignorant on the basic concepts of it.

And I'm explaining that's a bullshit cop out used to justify greed driven bullshit. You don't get to handwave any criticism of shady and anticonsumer bullshit by saying "That's just Capitalism"
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ZombiePelican posted...

Were banks justified for starting the housing bubble that left millions without a home and crashed our economy because they made a huge profit from it?

No one went to jail and any punishments doled out were less than the rewards reaped from predatory practices, so, you tell me.
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ZombiePelican posted...

And I'm explaining that's a bullshit cop out used to justify greed driven bullshit. You don't get to handwave any criticism of shady and anticonsumer bullshit by saying "That's just Capitalism"

I don't see it as a handwaving as much as "you should be upset at the whole damn system, not just when it interferes with your hobby of choice."
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ZombiePelican posted...

Lol what? And you claim I'm the one who doesn't understand Capitalism. The first rule of business is the customer is always right, if you don't take care of your customers you have nobody to buy your shit

And you can't read. If there's more profit to be made in exploiting the customer than putting the customer first, businesses will do that.

This is exactly what loot boxes and microtransactions are examples off.

You can bitch all day about how exploitative this practice is, but the video game industry simply does not care what you think, because they don't need you to make profit. So yes profit is the justification, because your money is not more important than the money of people being exploited.
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Antifar posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

And I'm explaining that's a bullshit cop out used to justify greed driven bullshit. You don't get to handwave any criticism of shady and anticonsumer bullshit by saying "That's just Capitalism"

I don't see it as a handwaving as much as "you should be upset at the whole damn system, not just when it interferes with your hobby of choice."

Exactly.
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ZP, can you just once make a topic where you discuss something without turning into a raving lunatic? You instantly aggressively attack anyone who expresses a different opinion, no matter how respectfully stated.

It's too bad too because this could be an interesting topic if you didn't cause it to immediately devolve into name-calling and personal attacks
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Look at the top selling games and most played games every month. If gamers are dissatisfied with these types of games they're doing a piss poor job of showing it.
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Antifazeeer posted...

I don't see it as a handwaving as much as "you should be upset at the whole damn system, not just when it interferes with your hobby of choice."

ITP:It's not dismissive handwaving beacuse I say it's not

Opinion discarded

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

ZP, can you just once make a topic where you discuss something without turning into a raving lunatic?

Where's the fun in that?

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

You instantly aggressively attack anyone who expresses a different opinion, no matter how respectfully stated.

I respectfully disagree, I don't attack anyone unless they're being thick headed on purpose for the sake of baiting me

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

It's too bad too because this could be an interesting topic if you didn't cause it to immediately devolve into name-calling and personal attacks

Lol what? I do no such thing, I'm usually the only one making coherent statements while the opposition mostly resorts to flinging shit from afar

Darmik posted...

Look at the top selling games and most played games every month. If gamers are dissatisfied with these types of games they're doing a piss poor job of showing it.

ITP: People buy popular games specifically for microtransactions
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Because people are idiots.
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