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Funbazooka
11/19/17 1:09:03 AM
#152:


Sayoria posted...
Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...
This topic is no different than making a topic asking why don't gay dudes get together with girls


That's arrogant.

Sexual orientation isn't arrogance.

It's just a fact of life.
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Funbazooka
11/19/17 1:10:29 AM
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I mean, is it time to go over the birds and the bees again?
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Deadpool_18
11/19/17 1:10:56 AM
#154:


Sayoria posted...
I mean think about it.


Thats the thing. I dont have to. Post this in one of those circle jerk support forums. There are too many sexless neckbeards here to give you an accurate reading.
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Eevee-Trainer
11/19/17 1:23:39 AM
#155:


Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...
My point is this, though I get what you are saying: the topic totally dismisses the human psyche. You like what you like, despite the countless discussions on this board, for instance, if you aren't into black people then that's your preference. If you aren't into fat people, that's your preference. Why should trans be any different? Preferences exist and we all have them. Why run from that? There are well over six billion people in the world which means somebody for everybody. Why shouldn't we aim for what we are into. I'm not at all into the idea of fucking a mtf no matter how good they transition... I'm not a bigot, I'm just not into it. We all act that way and we should.

This much I can understand and respect.

Not to say I like it or agree, but I can at least understand it.
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SeanRexBach
11/19/17 1:25:14 AM
#156:


pretty rad you can have dick sword fights stab her in the fucking eye bitch
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KILBOTz
11/19/17 1:26:35 AM
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Y2J0sHBK_GB
11/19/17 1:33:46 AM
#158:


Eevee-Trainer posted...
Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...
My point is this, though I get what you are saying: the topic totally dismisses the human psyche. You like what you like, despite the countless discussions on this board, for instance, if you aren't into black people then that's your preference. If you aren't into fat people, that's your preference. Why should trans be any different? Preferences exist and we all have them. Why run from that? There are well over six billion people in the world which means somebody for everybody. Why shouldn't we aim for what we are into. I'm not at all into the idea of fucking a mtf no matter how good they transition... I'm not a bigot, I'm just not into it. We all act that way and we should.

This much I can understand and respect.

Not to say I like it or agree, but I can at least understand it.


Thank you. It's certainly nice to see civility on the internet
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Tmk
11/19/17 1:42:38 AM
#159:


Funbazooka posted...
I mean, is it time to go over the birds and the bees again?

"Now you see son, women are considerably larger than you and a different species, and if you put your stinger in anything, you'll die on the spot. Goodnight champ!"
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Itennu
11/19/17 6:46:49 AM
#160:


Tmk posted...
Funbazooka posted...
I mean, is it time to go over the birds and the bees again?

"Now you see son, women are considerably larger than you and a different species, and if you put your stinger in anything, you'll die on the spot. Goodnight champ!"

>assuming the bees are the males

did you just assume bird and bee gender?

you did
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Omnislasher
11/19/17 7:12:50 AM
#161:


We know what pleases a man and all the places to focus on.

yes. so does a good woman, and they are many.

We can't get pregnant, and that seems to be something many are trying to avoid these days.

yes, but it's also quite easily avoided with women with the most minimal effort and knowledge.

More likely to be loyal I'd think, given how many of us feel desperate at times and too many resort to "take what I can get."

this is just a sad and terrible thing on so many levels i won't address it now. damn.

No tampons or feminine hygiene products in the house or expected you to buy for us while you are at the store.

yeah sure but this isn't actually a problem unless you're a real troglodyte. if i pick up her tampons it's no more an inconvenience than picking up a frozen pizza or some cored pineapple..who fucking cares

look, i'm an ally and not trying to put down your argument. only read the OP. but you should expect to find someone who is interested in you for exactly who you are and not because of how you stack up to some perceived notion of born females

you're great and you deserve something great by virtue simply of being you.
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pinky0926
11/19/17 7:23:03 AM
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I would think the main challenges with dating a trans person would be the social stigma and the very high likelihood of mental health issues.
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Sayoria
11/19/17 8:30:53 AM
#163:


Omnislasher posted...
We know what pleases a man and all the places to focus on.

yes. so does a good woman, and they are many.

We can't get pregnant, and that seems to be something many are trying to avoid these days.

yes, but it's also quite easily avoided with women with the most minimal effort and knowledge.

More likely to be loyal I'd think, given how many of us feel desperate at times and too many resort to "take what I can get."

this is just a sad and terrible thing on so many levels i won't address it now. damn.

No tampons or feminine hygiene products in the house or expected you to buy for us while you are at the store.

yeah sure but this isn't actually a problem unless you're a real troglodyte. if i pick up her tampons it's no more an inconvenience than picking up a frozen pizza or some cored pineapple..who fucking cares

look, i'm an ally and not trying to put down your argument. only read the OP. but you should expect to find someone who is interested in you for exactly who you are and not because of how you stack up to some perceived notion of born females

you're great and you deserve something great by virtue simply of being you.


Oh, I know. My thing is, there's the benefits. So many guys slam the idea, but we can get so close. My thing is, we aren't bad.
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thanosibe
11/19/17 12:12:21 PM
#164:


s0nicfan posted...
thanosibe posted...
TC.....why's it so important that people date a transgendered person?

I'm not trying to be a dick. But I've never understood the need to be concerned about who people enter relationship with and why. I've only ever been concerned with who I entered a relationship with.


TC is trans, and thus has a vested interest in convincing people that it's a viable option.
I'm heterosexual and I don't have vested interest in convincing people gals are the most viable opinion. Shit I don't even tell my own boys that.
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COVxy
11/19/17 12:15:20 PM
#165:


thanosibe posted...
s0nicfan posted...
thanosibe posted...
TC.....why's it so important that people date a transgendered person?

I'm not trying to be a dick. But I've never understood the need to be concerned about who people enter relationship with and why. I've only ever been concerned with who I entered a relationship with.


TC is trans, and thus has a vested interest in convincing people that it's a viable option.
I'm heterosexual and I don't have vested interest in convincing people gals are the most viable opinion. Shit I don't even tell my own boys that.


I mean, it's moreover about actually being accepted as your identity.

If you sit down and probe people who refuse to consider ever dating a transwoman, you end up finding that the vast majority of them just don't consider transwomen women.
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Zodd3224
11/19/17 12:16:25 PM
#166:


thanosibe posted...
s0nicfan posted...
thanosibe posted...
TC.....why's it so important that people date a transgendered person?

I'm not trying to be a dick. But I've never understood the need to be concerned about who people enter relationship with and why. I've only ever been concerned with who I entered a relationship with.


TC is trans, and thus has a vested interest in convincing people that it's a viable option.
I'm heterosexual and I don't have vested interest in convincing people gals are the most viable opinion. Shit I don't even tell my own boys that.


There is no stigma against being heterosexual...

There is however a stigma against dating trans people. This thread is further proof. TC is trying to make people think about why exactly they would be against a trans partner. It effects her life, so obviously she cares.
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s0nicfan
11/19/17 12:18:02 PM
#168:


Zodd3224 posted...
TC is trying to make people think about why exactly they would be against a trans partner.


While also themselves being against a trans partner.
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Grindcorp9000
11/19/17 12:20:48 PM
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I don't want to get HIV.
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thanosibe
11/19/17 12:27:52 PM
#172:


COVxy posted...
thanosibe posted...
s0nicfan posted...
thanosibe posted...
TC.....why's it so important that people date a transgendered person?

I'm not trying to be a dick. But I've never understood the need to be concerned about who people enter relationship with and why. I've only ever been concerned with who I entered a relationship with.


TC is trans, and thus has a vested interest in convincing people that it's a viable option.
I'm heterosexual and I don't have vested interest in convincing people gals are the most viable opinion. Shit I don't even tell my own boys that.


I mean, it's moreover about actually being accepted as your identity.

If you sit down and probe people who refuse to consider ever dating a transwoman, you end up finding that the vast majority of them just don't consider transwomen women.
Dating or not dating a transgendered person has zero to do with accepting them as people. I don't have to date a guy first to be sure I'm accepting of him. Treating any person with respect and dignity is more telling of being accepting than what gender a person dates. I have nothing against transgendered people, even though I've only known two. And one in hindsight when I realized when I was older, at a younger age I knew nothing about them.

There's not some social checklist of demographic of people a person needs to got through to weed out the unlikely dating canidates. Just go for what you like and know that everyone else does to.
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Tmk
11/19/17 12:33:32 PM
#173:


Itennu posted...
>assuming the bees are the males

did you just assume bird and bee gender?

you did

Did you just assume my assumption?

Literally did.
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COVxy
11/19/17 12:33:45 PM
#174:


thanosibe posted...
Dating or not dating a transgendered person has zero to do with accepting them as people. I don't have to date a guy first to be sure I'm accepting of him. Treating any person with respect and dignity is more telling of being accepting than what gender a person dates. I have nothing against transgendered people, even though I've only known two. And one in hindsight when I realized when I was older, at a younger age I knew nothing about them.

There's not some social checklist of demographic of people a person needs to got through to weed out the unlikely dating canidates. Just go for what you like and know that everyone else does to.


It's not about dating or not dating, it's about considering it a possibility.

If you are a heterosexual male and you accept transwomen as women, then the possibility of dating a transwoman is open.

Most simply still consider them men or some 3rd category, labeling their nonacceptance as 'preference'.
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Zodd3224
11/19/17 12:40:24 PM
#175:


s0nicfan posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TC is trying to make people think about why exactly they would be against a trans partner.


While also themselves being against a trans partner.


She's making a case as to why dating a trans woman may be appealing to people who may not have considered it. That doesnt mean she also has to be attracted to trans men.
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thelovefist
11/19/17 12:42:13 PM
#176:


JustMyOpinion posted...
This topic is one step away from "if you wouldn't date a trans person you're a bigot". Crap topic.

Many people ITT believe this horseshit
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s0nicfan
11/19/17 12:44:27 PM
#177:


Zodd3224 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TC is trying to make people think about why exactly they would be against a trans partner.


While also themselves being against a trans partner.


She's making a case as to why dating a trans woman may be appealing to people who may not have considered it. That doesnt mean she also has to be attracted to trans men.


That's fine, as long as the implication isn't that "not interested" is a bad option.
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Zodd3224
11/19/17 12:46:19 PM
#178:


thelovefist posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
This topic is one step away from "if you wouldn't date a trans person you're a bigot". Crap topic.

Many people ITT believe this horseshit


I dont. You dont pick and choose who you are and arent attracted to. You cant force yourself to be attracted to trans people if you arent.
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YourDrunkFather
11/19/17 12:48:06 PM
#179:


Because many people (myself included) cannot look past the fact that you are still, biologically a man. Its a massive turn off.
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ZMythos
11/19/17 1:30:40 PM
#180:


YourDrunkFather posted...
Because many people (myself included) cannot look past the fact that you are still, biologically a man. Its a massive turn off.

Fragmented grammar aside, this seems to be the most used reason in this topic and any related topic.

Trans people go through a lot to make their physical appearance match their internal identity. For you to say they're still not "biologically women" is extremely degrading.
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Bryon25
11/19/17 1:35:17 PM
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YourDrunkFather
11/19/17 1:49:23 PM
#183:


ZMythos posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
Because many people (myself included) cannot look past the fact that you are still, biologically a man. Its a massive turn off.

Fragmented grammar aside, this seems to be the most used reason in this topic and any related topic.

Trans people go through a lot to make their physical appearance match their internal identity. For you to say they're still not "biologically women" is extremely degrading.


Its also the truth. I don't know what you want from people when from people when it's just how they feel.
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JosefuJustice11
11/19/17 2:03:00 PM
#184:


Zodd3224 posted...
thanosibe posted...
s0nicfan posted...
thanosibe posted...
TC.....why's it so important that people date a transgendered person?

I'm not trying to be a dick. But I've never understood the need to be concerned about who people enter relationship with and why. I've only ever been concerned with who I entered a relationship with.


TC is trans, and thus has a vested interest in convincing people that it's a viable option.
I'm heterosexual and I don't have vested interest in convincing people gals are the most viable opinion. Shit I don't even tell my own boys that.


There is no stigma against being heterosexual...

There is however a stigma against dating trans people. This thread is further proof. TC is trying to make people think about why exactly they would be against a trans partner. It effects her life, so obviously she cares.

I know right? It really comes down to people being arrogant about not wanting to date a transwoman, so some take it as far as trying to instill that thought process in others, when all she's wanting is to be accepted without being attacked constantly.
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Mr_Hakubi
11/19/17 2:07:08 PM
#185:


Just social stigma. Most trannies still look like men.
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s0nicfan
11/19/17 3:17:27 PM
#186:


JosefuJustice11 posted...
I know right? It really comes down to people being arrogant about not wanting to date a transwoman, so some take it as far as trying to instill that thought process in others, when all she's wanting is to be accepted without being attacked constantly.


Having personal preferences about what you do and do not find attractive is now "Arrogance"
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ReD_ToMaTo
11/19/17 3:23:46 PM
#187:


Nothing's wrong with it, but personally, I'm not into dudes.
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COVxy
11/19/17 3:25:50 PM
#188:


s0nicfan posted...
Having personal preferences about what you do and do not find attractive is now "Arrogance"


Refusing to date black people because their kind are thugs is different than not typically finding black people attractive but would date one if it worked.

In the same way not dating transwomen because they are really men is different than not dating transwomen because you typically don't find them attractive but would date one if it worked.

One stance comes from nonacceptance, or bigotry (though you hate this word), and the other actually seems like a legitimate preference.
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Callixtus
11/19/17 3:54:31 PM
#189:


COVxy posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Having personal preferences about what you do and do not find attractive is now "Arrogance"


Refusing to date black people because their kind are thugs is different than not typically finding black people attractive but would date one if it worked.

In the same way not dating transwomen because they are really men is different than not dating transwomen because you typically don't find them attractive but would date one if it worked.

One stance comes from nonacceptance, or bigotry (though you hate this word), and the other actually seems like a legitimate preference.

What a terrible comparison
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COVxy
11/19/17 4:02:04 PM
#190:


Callixtus posted...
What a terrible comparison


No it's not, you are simply refusing to see the analogy. You can call it preference all you like, but if the reasoning for that preference is bigotry then you can and should be called out for it.
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Sayoria
11/19/17 4:11:45 PM
#191:


Bryon25 posted...
I would date you sayoria


<3

.....Whoa. Bryon! It's been a while. How've you been? :)
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Callixtus
11/19/17 4:12:49 PM
#192:


COVxy posted...
Callixtus posted...
What a terrible comparison


No it's not, you are simply refusing to see the analogy. You can call it preference all you like, but if the reasoning for that preference is bigotry then you can and should be called out for it.

It's not bigotry to see that an analogy between blackness which is just a normal human skin color that readily occurs in nature and has unfairly been singled out in history, and a post-op transwoman, which is a marvel of modern science that defies biological reality is necessarily false.
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COVxy
11/19/17 4:30:41 PM
#193:


All you're really saying is "I believe one form of bigotry is justified while the other is not."
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thanosibe
11/19/17 4:44:22 PM
#194:


COVxy posted...
thanosibe posted...
Dating or not dating a transgendered person has zero to do with accepting them as people. I don't have to date a guy first to be sure I'm accepting of him. Treating any person with respect and dignity is more telling of being accepting than what gender a person dates. I have nothing against transgendered people, even though I've only known two. And one in hindsight when I realized when I was older, at a younger age I knew nothing about them.

There's not some social checklist of demographic of people a person needs to got through to weed out the unlikely dating canidates. Just go for what you like and know that everyone else does to.


It's not about dating or not dating, it's about considering it a possibility.

If you are a heterosexual male and you accept transwomen as women, then the possibility of dating a transwoman is open.

Most simply still consider them men or some 3rd category, labeling their nonacceptance as 'preference'.
In considering a life partner; finding someone socially, sexually, emotionally, compatible with you, yes, there are going to be deal breakers and there are somethings that are not going to work for people. In that scenario if a person thinks a trangendered gal isn't "real" does not make that person unaccepting of transgendered people in general.

You can't push people into relationships. No one should. Heterosexual, homosexual, transgendered or otherwise. Each person has no social obligation to be in or considered a canadiate they don't feel is compatible with them.
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Dark_SilverX
11/19/17 4:47:49 PM
#195:


scorpion41 posted...
Romulox28 posted...
the man hands


And penis

All of this
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Callixtus
11/19/17 5:12:52 PM
#196:


COVxy posted...
All you're really saying is "I believe one form of bigotry is justified while the other is not."

What is your definition of bigotry?
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COVxy
11/19/17 5:21:30 PM
#197:


Callixtus posted...
What is your definition of bigotry?


Intolerance/nonacceptance.

No, you don't accept someone because you don't actively beat them with a bat, or because you more or less ignore them. People do some pretty impressive acrobatics with their reasoning when it comes to this. "I accept them, they can do whatever they'd like, but I don't consider them a woman." Like, what? That makes no sense.
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s0nicfan
11/19/17 5:22:57 PM
#198:


COVxy posted...
Callixtus posted...
What is your definition of bigotry?


Intolerance/nonacceptance.

No, you don't accept someone because you don't actively beat them with a bat, or because you more or less ignore them. People do some pretty impressive acrobatics with their reasoning when it comes to this. "I accept them, they can do whatever they'd like, but I don't consider them a woman." Like, what? That makes no sense.


So hypothetically, if I wear colored contacts and tell everyone my eye color is the contact one and someone says my eye color is my actual one, is that a form of bigotry?
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Offworlder1
11/19/17 5:24:54 PM
#199:


I want a real woman not some dude who changed into a woman, I want the real deal: born a woman and stayed a woman.

I plan on having children too one day, prefer they are my own.
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Callixtus
11/19/17 5:47:39 PM
#200:


COVxy posted...
Callixtus posted...
What is your definition of bigotry?


Intolerance/nonacceptance.

No, you don't accept someone because you don't actively beat them with a bat, or because you more or less ignore them. People do some pretty impressive acrobatics with their reasoning when it comes to this. "I accept them, they can do whatever they'd like, but I don't consider them a woman." Like, what? That makes no sense.

So it's bigoted to categorically find all women that weigh over 500 lbs sexually unattractive?
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COVxy
11/19/17 5:59:26 PM
#201:


Callixtus posted...
So it's bigoted to categorically find all women that weigh over 500 lbs sexually unattractive?


Quite the non sequitur.

Being unattracted to someone because of their qualities is different, as denoted in my other post. If you were unattracted to transwomen because they resembled men, then that's not at all what I'm referring to. But anyone who's put a lick of thought into it can come to the conclusion that there is a possibility that there would be a transwoman who would have none of those manly qualities, and therefore the possibility of dating a transwoman is open.

A universal refusal to consider dating any transwoman is usually driven by nonacceptance of her gender.
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Callixtus
11/19/17 6:04:18 PM
#202:


COVxy posted...
Callixtus posted...
So it's bigoted to categorically find all women that weigh over 500 lbs sexually unattractive?


Quite the non sequitur.

Being unattracted to someone because of their qualities is different, as denoted in my other post. If you were unattracted to transwomen because they resembled men, then that's not at all what I'm referring to. But anyone who's put a lick of thought into it can come to the conclusion that there is a possibility that there would be a transwoman who would have none of those manly qualities, and therefore the possibility of dating a transwoman is open.

A universal refusal to consider dating any transwoman is usually driven by nonacceptance of her gender.

The quality that many heterosexuals dislike about transwomen is the fact that they have gone through unnatural surgery, and they would always take a naturally born woman over one claiming to be one who has had to physically alter themselves. Those that haven't gone through the surgery have penises.

It has nothing to do with whether they look feminine or not.
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