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Kineth 11/21/17 10:43:54 AM #53:	scar the 1 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Employees get screwed because some employees are willing to be screwed. And because it's not very risky for employers to do it. This, pretty much. The employee doesn't have much power to be able to effect change in labor practices. That is the point of unions and labor laws. To make it a more even playing field. btw, are you sure that you were the one that was biting? Because it feels like I'm the one that's being given bait. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:890801050] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Employees get screwed because some employees are willing to be screwed.</quote> And because it's not very risky for employers to do it.</quote> This, pretty much. The employee doesn't have much power to be able to effect change in labor practices. That is the point of unions and labor laws. To make it a more even playing field. btw, are you sure that you were the one that was biting? Because it feels like I'm the one that's being given bait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/21/17 10:50:16 AM #54:	Kineth posted... btw, are you sure that you were the one that was biting? Because it feels like I'm the one that's being given bait. CE is little more than an ouroboros, feeding on itself. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:890801331] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>btw, are you sure that you were the one that was biting? Because it feels like I'm the one that's being given bait.</quote> CE is little more than an ouroboros, feeding on itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 11/21/17 10:56:11 AM #55:	In the end, it's still voluntary. If you're being f*ed over by your employer, why are you still working there? It's 2017. Who still hires? --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:890801635] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><quote>In the end, it's still voluntary. If you're being f*ed over by your employer, why are you still working there?</quote> It's 2017. Who still hires?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/17 10:57:26 AM #56:	DifferentialEquation posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... JE19426 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... where's the category for taxes???? What? https://www.publicintegrity.org/2017/07/19/21011/fraud-and-billing-mistakes-cost-medicare-and-taxpayers-tens-billions-last-year https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army/u-s-army-fudged-its-accounts-by-trillions-of-dollars-auditor-finds-idUSKCN10U1IG The government is the biggest thief of them all It would make sense to go after the biggest offenders first. But when it's government vs corporations there are some people who will always see corporations as the bigger problem regardless of the circumstances. That's because people on the left are not actually pragmatic or interested in fixing things. That is why the TC's chart doesn't include any reference to governments stealing or employee stealing. --- they shall be the first ones against the wall when the revolution comes - averagejoel <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:890801698] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>where's the category for taxes????</quote> What?</quote> https://www.publicintegrity.org/2017/07/19/21011/fraud-and-billing-mistakes-cost-medicare-and-taxpayers-tens-billions-last-year https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army/u-s-army-fudged-its-accounts-by-trillions-of-dollars-auditor-finds-idUSKCN10U1IG The government is the biggest thief of them all</quote> It would make sense to go after the biggest offenders first. But when it's government vs corporations there are some people who will always see corporations as the bigger problem regardless of the circumstances.</quote> That's because people on the left are not actually pragmatic or interested in fixing things. That is why the TC's chart doesn't include any reference to governments stealing or employee stealing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/21/17 10:58:41 AM #57:	Questionmarktarius posted... How then, do you prevent time-card fraud (on both sides) without ankle-bracelets or something? preventing time-card fraud by employees is the employer's responsibility. mine has me swipe a card in and requires I declare all work from home in a message to my supervisor. i am subject to timecard audits. you prevent timecard fraud by employers by accessing records of employee pay and work time. pay should be covered by the required paystub. worktime is the alleging employee's responsibility to provide. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:890801751] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How then, do you prevent time-card fraud (on both sides) without ankle-bracelets or something? </quote> preventing time-card fraud by employees is the employer's responsibility. mine has me swipe a card in and requires I declare all work from home in a message to my supervisor. i am subject to timecard audits. you prevent timecard fraud by employers by accessing records of employee pay and work time. pay should be covered by the required paystub. worktime is the alleging employee's responsibility to provide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 11/21/17 11:00:25 AM #58:	FLUFFYGERM posted... where's the category for taxes???? Taxes aren't theft, unless you're talking about stealing tax money from the government which probably dwarfs that whole graph. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:890801825] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>where's the category for taxes????</quote> Taxes aren't theft, unless you're talking about stealing tax money from the government which probably dwarfs that whole graph.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/17 11:00:49 AM #59:	ChromaticAngel posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... where's the category for taxes???? Taxes aren't theft, unless you're talking about stealing tax money from the government which probably dwarfs that whole graph. https://www.publicintegrity.org/2017/07/19/21011/fraud-and-billing-mistakes-cost-medicare-and-taxpayers-tens-billions-last-year https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army/u-s-army-fudged-its-accounts-by-trillions-of-dollars-auditor-finds-idUSKCN10U1IG This is definitely theft. Obamacare fines are also theft. And the list can continue. --- they shall be the first ones against the wall when the revolution comes - averagejoel <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:890801845] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>where's the category for taxes????</quote> Taxes aren't theft, unless you're talking about stealing tax money from the government which probably dwarfs that whole graph.</quote> https://www.publicintegrity.org/2017/07/19/21011/fraud-and-billing-mistakes-cost-medicare-and-taxpayers-tens-billions-last-year https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army/u-s-army-fudged-its-accounts-by-trillions-of-dollars-auditor-finds-idUSKCN10U1IG This is definitely theft. Obamacare fines are also theft. And the list can continue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/21/17 11:01:28 AM #60:	Darkman124 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... How then, do you prevent time-card fraud (on both sides) without ankle-bracelets or something? preventing time-card fraud by employees is the employer's responsibility. mine has me swipe a card in and requires I declare all work from home in a message to my supervisor. i am subject to timecard audits. you prevent timecard fraud by employers by accessing records of employee pay and work time. pay should be covered by the required paystub. worktime is the alleging employee's responsibility to provide. A hard "you can't do anything resembling work without punching in first" would keep Walmart in line, maybe. Hell if I know how it would be implemented or enforced. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:890801880] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How then, do you prevent time-card fraud (on both sides) without ankle-bracelets or something? </quote> preventing time-card fraud by employees is the employer's responsibility. mine has me swipe a card in and requires I declare all work from home in a message to my supervisor. i am subject to timecard audits. you prevent timecard fraud by employers by accessing records of employee pay and work time. pay should be covered by the required paystub. worktime is the alleging employee's responsibility to provide.</quote> A hard "you can't do anything resembling work without punching in first" would keep Walmart in line, maybe. Hell if I know how it would be implemented or enforced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/21/17 11:03:04 AM #61:	Questionmarktarius posted... A hard "you can't do anything resembling work without punching in first" would keep Walmart in line, maybe. Hell if I know how it would be implemented or enforced. The issue is not employees just being so excited to start working that they do so without marking their start time, as employers telling employees they need to stay late and clean up, but listing their official 'clock out' time as multiple hours earlier on pay stubs. It is very easy for an employee to prove they stayed late. We all wear/carry devices that track our location and can take video. Supply an employee with a pay stub and cheat them on it, they will take video of them being made to work late when their listed out-time on the pay stub is earlier. Then go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. I think something we often forget is that harsh criminal punishment is highly ineffective as a deterrent for poor offenders, but very effective as a deterrent for rich offenders, who have more to lose. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:890801946] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>A hard "you can't do anything resembling work without punching in first" would keep Walmart in line, maybe. Hell if I know how it would be implemented or enforced. </quote> The issue is not employees just being so excited to start working that they do so without marking their start time, as employers telling employees they need to stay late and clean up, but listing their official 'clock out' time as multiple hours earlier on pay stubs. It is very easy for an employee to prove they stayed late. We all wear/carry devices that track our location and can take video. Supply an employee with a pay stub and cheat them on it, they will take video of them being made to work late when their listed out-time on the pay stub is earlier. Then go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200. I think something we often forget is that harsh criminal punishment is highly ineffective as a deterrent for poor offenders, but very effective as a deterrent for rich offenders, who have more to lose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 11:03:51 AM #62:	I wonder how much of the wage violations come from employing illegal aliens, since each of those blue categories would encompass it --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890801985] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how much of the wage violations come from employing illegal aliens, since each of those blue categories would encompass it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/21/17 11:09:10 AM #63:	Mal_Fet posted... I wonder how much of the wage violations include employing illegal aliens, since each of those blue categories would encompass it You don't have to wonder: the study source, which I linked, tracks wage violation by career, and it's relatively simple to match up those careers against those that employ significant numbers of illegal immigrants. Check page 31 (35 in PDF input) for the career list on minimum wage violations; the others follow soon after. For ease of access, here's a pew study on that subject. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/share-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers-in-production-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/ --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:890802226] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how much of the wage violations include employing illegal aliens, since each of those blue categories would encompass it </quote> You don't have to wonder: the study source, which I linked, tracks wage violation by career, and it's relatively simple to match up those careers against those that employ significant numbers of illegal immigrants. Check page 31 (35 in PDF input) for the career list on minimum wage violations; the others follow soon after. For ease of access, here's a pew study on that subject. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/share-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers-in-production-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 11/21/17 11:27:14 AM #64:	Tag --- I use Gameraven and you should too. <cite>teepan95 posted [p:890802994] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>Tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 11:31:38 AM #65:	FLUFFYGERM posted... where's the category for taxes???? wuh wuh whataboutism! --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890803227] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>where's the category for taxes????</quote> wuh wuh whataboutism!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/21/17 11:32:11 AM #66:	Villain posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... where's the category for taxes???? wuh wuh whataboutism! so you have a one track mind? --- they shall be the first ones against the wall when the revolution comes - averagejoel <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:890803258] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>where's the category for taxes????</quote> wuh wuh whataboutism!</quote> so you have a one track mind?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/21/17 11:32:13 AM #67:	Darkman124 posted... The issue is not employees just being so excited to start working that they do so without marking their start time, as employers telling employees they need to stay late and clean up, but listing their official 'clock out' time as multiple hours earlier on pay stubs. Yes. Walmart got caught doing that. A lot. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:890803260] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>The issue is not employees just being so excited to start working that they do so without marking their start time, as employers telling employees they need to stay late and clean up, but listing their official 'clock out' time as multiple hours earlier on pay stubs.</quote> Yes. Walmart got caught doing that. A lot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 11:34:26 AM #68:	A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890803374] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Butterfiles 11/21/17 11:35:21 AM #69:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Villain posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... where's the category for taxes???? wuh wuh whataboutism! so you have a one track mind? this post is the pot calling the kettle a pot --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning <cite>Butterfiles posted [p:890803423] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>where's the category for taxes????</quote> wuh wuh whataboutism!</quote> so you have a one track mind?</quote> this post is the pot calling the kettle a pot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Siaperaz 11/21/17 12:24:29 PM #70:	Villain posted... A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens. Seven whole minutes working overtime? How did you survive that? --- GO KNICKS!!! <cite>Siaperaz posted [p:890806080] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens.</quote> Seven whole minutes working overtime? How did you survive that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/17 12:26:51 PM #71:	Siaperaz posted... Seven whole minutes working overtime? How did you survive that? 7 minutes from 100 people is more than 10 hours of pay they are dodging even 7 minutes from one person every day is more than an hour of pay lost per pay period --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:890806199] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Siaperaz posted...</cite> <quote>Seven whole minutes working overtime? How did you survive that? </quote> 7 minutes from 100 people is more than 10 hours of pay they are dodging even 7 minutes from one person every day is more than an hour of pay lost per pay period</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 1:20:24 PM #72:	Darkman124 posted... Mal_Fet posted... I wonder how much of the wage violations include employing illegal aliens, since each of those blue categories would encompass it You don't have to wonder: the study source, which I linked, tracks wage violation by career, and it's relatively simple to match up those careers against those that employ significant numbers of illegal immigrants. Check page 31 (35 in PDF input) for the career list on minimum wage violations; the others follow soon after. For ease of access, here's a pew study on that subject. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/share-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers-in-production-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/ That just tells us careers and how many illegals arebin cobstruction I wabt to know how much of the first chart is from wages paid to/overtime done by illegal immigrants --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890809133] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how much of the wage violations include employing illegal aliens, since each of those blue categories would encompass it </quote> You don't have to wonder: the study source, which I linked, tracks wage violation by career, and it's relatively simple to match up those careers against those that employ significant numbers of illegal immigrants. Check page 31 (35 in PDF input) for the career list on minimum wage violations; the others follow soon after. For ease of access, here's a pew study on that subject. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/share-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers-in-production-construction-jobs-falls-since-2007/</quote> That just tells us careers and how many illegals arebin cobstruction I wabt to know how much of the first chart is from wages paid to/overtime done by illegal immigrants</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 1:21:11 PM #73:	Villain posted... A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens. >7 minutes --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890809176] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens.</quote> >7 minutes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/17 1:28:24 PM #74:	Mal_Fet posted... Villain posted... A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens. >7 minutes Balrog0 posted... Siaperaz posted... Seven whole minutes working overtime? How did you survive that? 7 minutes from 100 people is more than 10 hours of pay they are dodging even 7 minutes from one person every day is more than an hour of pay lost per pay period --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:890809561] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens.</quote> >7 minutes</quote> <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Siaperaz posted...</cite> <quote>Seven whole minutes working overtime? How did you survive that? </quote> 7 minutes from 100 people is more than 10 hours of pay they are dodging even 7 minutes from one person every day is more than an hour of pay lost per pay period</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 11/21/17 1:31:38 PM #75:	Mal_Fet posted... Villain posted... A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens. >7 minutes It can add up to several days of missed pay over the course of the year. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:890809754] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens.</quote> >7 minutes</quote> It can add up to several days of missed pay over the course of the year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 1:32:51 PM #76:	its the principle. I did 7 minutes of work and was not compensated for it on a daily basis. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890809839] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>its the principle. I did 7 minutes of work and was not compensated for it on a daily basis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 11/21/17 1:33:14 PM #77:	TC, you forgot taxation in that graph. --- https://i.imgtc.com/C6jP02v.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/UAGNJFv.gif https://i.imgtc.com/cBTnWgf.png https://i.imgtc.com/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:890809867] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>TC, you forgot taxation in that graph.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/21/17 1:34:09 PM #78:	The IRS collects far more than that in taxes --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:890809939] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>The IRS collects far more than that in taxes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/17 1:34:20 PM #79:	Mal_Fet posted... I wabt to know how much of the first chart is from wages paid to/overtime done by illegal immigrants you could probably calculate this given the figures in the paper for minimum wage violations, the violation rate was almost 50% for illegal immigrant women and 30% for illegal immigrant men compared to 16% and 15% for US natives respectively legal immigrants fell between the two, at 25% and 14% the other violations were closer, but there is still a disparity --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:890809951] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I wabt to know how much of the first chart is from wages paid to/overtime done by illegal immigrants</quote> you could probably calculate this given the figures in the paper for minimum wage violations, the violation rate was almost 50% for illegal immigrant women and 30% for illegal immigrant men compared to 16% and 15% for US natives respectively legal immigrants fell between the two, at 25% and 14% the other violations were closer, but there is still a disparity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 1:48:53 PM #80:	DifferentialEquation posted... Mal_Fet posted... Villain posted... A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens. >7 minutes It can add up to several days of missed pay over the course of the year. Maybe he should get his shit done at the time it's supposed to be Still tho >7 minutes WEW lad --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890810756] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens.</quote> >7 minutes</quote> It can add up to several days of missed pay over the course of the year.</quote> Maybe he should get his shit done at the time it's supposed to be Still tho >7 minutes WEW lad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 1:50:42 PM #81:	1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period. And I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890810865] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period. And I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 1:51:27 PM #82:	Balrog0 posted... for minimum wage violations, the violation rate was almost 50% for illegal immigrant women and 30% for illegal immigrant men compared to 16% and 15% for US natives respectively All of the figures would include violations due entirely to illegal aliens getting wages to begin with Where are those numbers --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890810906] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>for minimum wage violations, the violation rate was almost 50% for illegal immigrant women and 30% for illegal immigrant men compared to 16% and 15% for US natives respectively</quote> All of the figures would include violations due entirely to illegal aliens getting wages to begin with Where are those numbers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 1:52:16 PM #83:	Villain posted... 1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period. If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890810955] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period.</quote> If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/21/17 1:53:00 PM #84:	Good topic, IMO --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:890811008] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>Good topic, IMO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 1:53:38 PM #85:	Mal_Fet posted... Villain posted... 1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period. If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought. I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890811052] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period.</quote> If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought.</quote> I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/21/17 1:54:19 PM #86:	Mal_Fet posted... Villain posted... 1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period. If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought. don't you work as a bartender? this would apply to you as well. the issue is that he's not allowed to charge for taking inventory, something i'd assume is also a problem you deal with, though since you can legally be paid less than min wage, probably less of a concern to you. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:890811093] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period.</quote> If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought.</quote> don't you work as a bartender? this would apply to you as well. the issue is that he's not allowed to charge for taking inventory, something i'd assume is also a problem you deal with, though since you can legally be paid less than min wage, probably less of a concern to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 11/21/17 1:54:50 PM #87:	Mal_Fet posted... DifferentialEquation posted... Mal_Fet posted... Villain posted... A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens. >7 minutes It can add up to several days of missed pay over the course of the year. Maybe he should get his shit done at the time it's supposed to be Still tho >7 minutes WEW lad If you're on a cash register, it's not a matter of getting your work done on time. It's matter of not being able to leave or count your drawer until your manager/supervisor comes by and gives you the okay. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:890811124] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>A grocery store I worked at while I was in college had a time clock that rounded, and you were only allowed to count your register after your shift ended. So basically, if my shift ended at 9 and it took me 7 minutes to count my drawer, I didn't get paid for those 7 minutes due to the rounding. I don't think they do that anymore but it definitely happens.</quote> >7 minutes</quote> It can add up to several days of missed pay over the course of the year.</quote> Maybe he should get his shit done at the time it's supposed to be Still tho >7 minutes WEW lad</quote> If you're on a cash register, it's not a matter of getting your work done on time. It's matter of not being able to leave or count your drawer until your manager/supervisor comes by and gives you the okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/21/17 1:58:14 PM #88:	what a weird, intentional misreading are you even defending the offending party or just intent on demeaning the idea that another has a complaint? --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:890811302] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>what a weird, intentional misreading are you even defending the offending party or just intent on demeaning the idea that another has a complaint?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/17 2:01:11 PM #89:	Mal_Fet posted... All of the figures would include violations due entirely to illegal aliens getting wages to begin with Where are those numbers You could calculate them using the numbers there and the numbers Darkman gave you, most likely. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:890811494] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>All of the figures would include violations due entirely to illegal aliens getting wages to begin with Where are those numbers </quote> You could calculate them using the numbers there and the numbers Darkman gave you, most likely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/21/17 2:08:27 PM #90:	math is hard i'm kinda curious why mal thinks it matters whether the people getting ripped off are illegal immigrants or not making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants. that is normally something one would strive to avoid --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:890811967] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>math is hard i'm kinda curious why mal thinks it matters whether the people getting ripped off are illegal immigrants or not making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants. that is normally something one would strive to avoid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/21/17 2:09:17 PM #91:	Darkman124 posted... making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants. Ding ding ding --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:890812019] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants.</quote> Ding ding ding</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 2:10:59 PM #92:	Darkman124 posted... math is hard i'm kinda curious why mal thinks it matters whether the people getting ripped off are illegal immigrants or not making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants. that is normally something one would strive to avoid Probably because he's an idiot. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890812128] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>math is hard i'm kinda curious why mal thinks it matters whether the people getting ripped off are illegal immigrants or not making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants. that is normally something one would strive to avoid</quote> Probably because he's an idiot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 11/21/17 2:14:03 PM #93:	Kineth posted... People will argue against rectifying this solely because anyone they consider left wing is in favor of it. Gotta just say that I called it, except for the fact that Mal_Fet isn't people. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:890812327] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>People will argue against rectifying this solely because anyone they consider left wing is in favor of it.</quote> Gotta just say that I called it, except for the fact that Mal_Fet isn't people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 11/21/17 2:16:15 PM #94:	prettyprincess posted... what a weird, intentional misreading are you even defending the offending party or just intent on demeaning the idea that another has a complaint? Was just wondering the same thing. Darkman124 posted... making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants. that is normally something one would strive to avoid And this --- https://imgflip.com/gif/di4a4 <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:890812467] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>what a weird, intentional misreading are you even defending the offending party or just intent on demeaning the idea that another has a complaint?</quote> Was just wondering the same thing. <cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>making it 'more okay' to rip off illegal immigrants encourages the use of their labor rather than that of citizens/legal immigrants. that is normally something one would strive to avoid</quote> And this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 11/21/17 2:18:11 PM #95:	Kineth posted... except for the fact that Mal_Fet isn't people. he says he's been on stream before. can anyone vouch for that? --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:890812582] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>except for the fact that Mal_Fet isn't people.</quote> he says he's been on stream before. can anyone vouch for that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 4:29:26 PM #96:	Darkman124 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Villain posted... 1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period. If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought. don't you work as a bartender? this would apply to you as well. the issue is that he's not allowed to charge for taking inventory, something i'd assume is also a problem you deal with, though since you can legally be paid less than min wage, probably less of a concern to you. Yep. I manage to close everything up before I put in 8 hours, including counting my cash, just about every shift. Not sure why counting money is a problem unless you're hanging onto a ton of unrolled pennies --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890820643] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>1 hour and 10 minutes of unpaid work every pay period.</quote> If you consistently get done late, maybe the problem is you. Just a thought.</quote> don't you work as a bartender? this would apply to you as well. the issue is that he's not allowed to charge for taking inventory, something i'd assume is also a problem you deal with, though since you can legally be paid less than min wage, probably less of a concern to you.</quote> Yep. I manage to close everything up before I put in 8 hours, including counting my cash, just about every shift. Not sure why counting money is a problem unless you're hanging onto a ton of unrolled pennies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 4:31:20 PM #97:	Villain posted... I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890820750] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 4:34:09 PM #98:	Villain posted... Villain posted... I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around. Why not? Can't perform two tasks at once? Buddy if I can sweep, close checks, and make premixes during happy hour for the following shift before my time is up I guarantee you you can count to 250 before yours is --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890820928] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>I know reading, comprehension, general intelligence and etc are not your strong suits, but the policy was that you were to count your drawer at the end of your shift. If you were scheduled to work until 9, you could not start the count at 8:53. Hopefully you understand the dilemma better this time around.</quote></quote> Why not? Can't perform two tasks at once? Buddy if I can sweep, close checks, and make premixes during happy hour for the following shift before my time is up I guarantee you you can count to 250 before yours is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/21/17 4:36:06 PM #99:	based on these questions it isn't clear to me that mal_fet has ever worked a register at closing at least when I worked in fast food you couldn't open your register without a purchase unless the manager was there to do it. My managers let me start counting before closing time, and if they didn't I did not need to clock out first, but either of those things could be untrue for someone else. maybe they let bartenders have direct access to register commands but that seems weird to me. but how do you get it open to count it otherwise? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:890821044] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>based on these questions it isn't clear to me that mal_fet has ever worked a register at closing at least when I worked in fast food you couldn't open your register without a purchase unless the manager was there to do it. My managers let me start counting before closing time, and if they didn't I did not need to clock out first, but either of those things could be untrue for someone else. maybe they let bartenders have direct access to register commands but that seems weird to me. but how do you get it open to count it otherwise?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 11/21/17 4:36:15 PM #100:	We were required to physically take our register from the cashier lane to the service desk and perform the counting there and we were not allowed to do so until the end of the shift. Keeping in mind checking out a customer could also put you a couple minutes past. Would it be a big deal staying a few minutes later? Generally no. But doing it for free? Fuck that. --- http://i.imgur.com/ZWNgMXL.jpg Formally known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:890821054] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote>We were required to physically take our register from the cashier lane to the service desk and perform the counting there and we were not allowed to do so until the end of the shift. Keeping in mind checking out a customer could also put you a couple minutes past. Would it be a big deal staying a few minutes later? Generally no. But doing it for free? Fuck that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/21/17 4:37:04 PM #101:	Mal_Fet posted... Why not? Villain posted... the policy --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:890821102] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Why not?</quote> <cite>Villain posted...</cite> <quote>the policy</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/21/17 4:39:17 PM #102:	Balrog0 posted... maybe they let bartenders have direct access to register commands but that seems weird to me. but how do you get it open to count it otherwise? Count like 10 minutes before and keep a running tally of transactions towards the end and just add that to the amount you already counted --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890821263] in This is th... [t:76015208]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>maybe they let bartenders have direct access to register commands but that seems weird to me. but how do you get it open to count it otherwise?</quote> Count like 10 minutes before and keep a running tally of transactions towards the end and just add that to the amount you already counted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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