Current Events > Robotics companies are gearing up for full-scale automation of warehouses

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-20/robot-makers-fill-their-war-chests-in-fight-against-amazon
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Sex-Machine is one of a kind
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it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity
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Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

no they're going to bring back the coal mines!
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Bring on the automation. People have forgotten that it's how society became prosperous in the first place.
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Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

Goods and services will become much cheaper which means people will work less for the same standard of living.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

Goods and services will become much cheaper which means people will work less for the same standard of living.

Haha very optimistic
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There will still be people to repair the machines when they break down or malfunction.
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IllegalAlien posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

Goods and services will become much cheaper which means people will work less for the same standard of living.

Haha very optimistic

We can look back 200 years and see that automation has done this. This will be more of that.

Hell, look at how much cheaper it is to sequence the human genome now compared with even ten years ago. As tools get better, costs go down and productivity goes up.
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@IllegalAlien
@Romulox28

http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2017/11/where-is-technology-taking-the-economy.html

Fascinating read
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makes sense

my friend is a programmer for a (cargo) transit auditing company and he tells me automation is really disrupting the game there as well
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Machines have started to exhibit associative intelligence, something we thought only humans could do.

Since when did we think that? Machine learning has been around for decades, actually. We haven't had hardware good enough to really do it though until recently.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

Goods and services will become much cheaper which means people will work less for the same standard of living.

Haha very optimistic

We can look back 200 years and see that automation has done this. This will be more of that.

Hell, look at how much cheaper it is to sequence the human genome now compared with even ten years ago. As tools get better, costs go down and productivity goes up.

havent things like housing, cars, college education, etc risen dramatically in price in the last few decades?
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So what automation stocks should I invest in TC?
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trappedunderice posted...

There will still be people to repair the machines when they break down or malfunction.

There won't be a person per every machine, hence the economic concern.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

rip lawyers, doctors, and artists
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DemonsHoles posted...

So what automation stocks should I invest in TC?

TC doesn't own stocks. NVDA and/or BOTZ if you want returns soon.
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Romulox28 posted...

havent things like housing, cars, college education, etc risen dramatically in price in the last few decades?

Yeah, generally wages have been falling but prices remain stagnant. Hell the software I made for my work changed their production. It lets a layperson do in a few minutes what once took a few experts to do in a half hour. But my boss hasn't reduced prices on our product. \_()_/

the standard of living has increased dramatically over the last 200 years

food, clothing, energy, information, transportation, etc, has never been cheaper
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

food, clothing, energy, information, transportation, etc, has never been cheaper

hmm, this is true for this list of things probably, but it is not true of the other things that he mentioned (specifically housing tbqh)
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pinky0926 posted...

Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

no they're going to bring back the coal mines!

Trumps America
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Balrog0 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

food, clothing, energy, information, transportation, etc, has never been cheaper

hmm, this is true for this list of things probably, but it is not true of the other things that he mentioned (specifically housing tbqh)

this is because of inflation. the costs of producing vehicles and houses have gone down as better tools have been introduced into the work place. compare owning a home now with what people had back in the 1850s and you'll see that despite recent inflation we have still progressed by a lot.

i don't conflate education and college degrees, so i can't agree that education is more expensive now.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

this is because of inflation.

no it isn't, the costs of housing have risen much, much faster than inflation

FLUFFYGERM posted...

the costs of producing vehicles and houses have gone down as better tools have been introduced into the work place. compare owning a home now with what people had back in the 1850s and you'll see that despite recent inflation we have still progressed by a lot.

the quality of housing has definitely gone up, but the price has risen as well. there are also fewer options for low-income housing now than there were in the past.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

i don't conflate education and college degrees, so i can't agree that education is more expensive now.

I agree, though I think the more relevant thing is that a HS diploma doesn't get you any where any more and it is pretty much required to seek out some kind of post-HS education (not necessarily college, but still something that probably requires classroom time like apprenticeships or ceriticates)
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Balrog, you're shitposting. The cost of housing in California might have increased much faster than inflation but comparatively speaking affording the same house as the average house in 1850 is a hell of a lot cheaper nowadays unless you live in one of the most liberal cities in the country. The standard of living has gone up in every way thanks to automation (better tooling and more efficient processes) over the last couple hundred years. Weird edge cases around artificially inflated housing costs don't change that reality. Automation is a good thing and has historically given us access to cheaper food/clothing/transportation/housing/information.

As for whether or not a HS diploma doesn't get you any where any more...maybe we should teach relevant and valuable skills in high school, rather than pissing away people's brains via indoctrination and shitty public education that costs taxpayers thousands per student per year and doesn't get us anywhere.
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Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

They'll transition into new industries, likely with better quality of work. 200 years ago, the majority of Americans were employed in agriculture. Due to technology advances, that figure is now below 1%. If you had told people back then that the jobs in that industry would all disappear, they'd have panicked and all wondered how anyone would be able to make a living.

We are nowhere close to the point where UBI is needed due to job scarcity, and that won't happen in the lifetime of anyone on this board. Quite the opposite, the U.S. currently has more open jobs than it ever has in history. The issue is that Americans don't have the skills to fill them.
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it's also worth noting that home construction is still highly manual labor. automation has yet to make large strides there.
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The Admiral posted...

The issue is that Americans don't have the skills to fill them.

You don't seem to grasp the fact that automation is starting to reach a peak level where humans can't contribute further to the process. A lot of automation in the past made processes simpler for humans, but still employed them at the same rate. After all, a person driving a carriage could now drive a car, right? Well, now the concept of a "driver" won't even exist in one hundred years. That's going to be phased out, as will the accompanying largest profession in the United States.

You can't just replace every one of those drivers with a mechanic. One mechanic will fix ten cars, and in time, you'll get a mechanic to fix ten mechanical mechanics that fix one hundred cars.

The concern isn't that every job will vanish, but ones that you can get without a bachelor's degree will vanish, since they're often simple enough jobs for machines to take over if advanced enough. It's going to cause a shrinkage of those kinds of jobs while the rest of society is forced to exist in a debt culture.

I don't think automation itself is bad since it raises the living standard, but there's a clear economic consequence to creating a shrinking zero sum game of basic labor. You either need to educate STEM fields for free or you need to accept UBI and the welfare state, because the libertarian concept of going out and easily finding a job will not be a reality by the end of the century unless a global catastrophe occurs.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

The Admiral posted...

The issue is that Americans don't have the skills to fill them.

You don't seem to grasp the fact that automation is starting to reach a peak level where humans can't contribute further to the process. A lot of automation in the past made processes simpler for humans, but still employed them at the same rate. After all, a person driving a carriage could now drive a car, right? Well, now the concept of a "driver" won't even exist in one hundred years. That's going to be phased out, as will the accompanying largest profession in the United States.

You can't just replace every one of those drivers with a mechanic. One mechanic will fix ten cars, and in time, you'll get a mechanic to fix ten mechanical mechanics that fix one hundred cars.

The concern isn't that every job will vanish, but ones that you can get without a bachelor's degree will vanish, since they're often simple enough jobs for machines to take over if advanced enough. It's going to cause a shrinkage of those kinds of jobs while the rest of society is forced to exist in a debt culture.

I don't think automation itself is bad since it raises the living standard, but there's a clear economic consequence to creating a shrinking zero sum game of basic labor. You either need to educate STEM fields for free or you need to accept UBI and the welfare state, because the libertarian concept of going out and easily finding a job will not be a reality by the end of the century unless a global catastrophe occurs.

This is an imaginary phenomenon. I mean just look at unemployment rates and job openings if you want to see if this trend is true.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

The Admiral posted...

The issue is that Americans don't have the skills to fill them.

You don't seem to grasp the fact that automation is starting to reach a peak level where humans can't contribute further to the process. A lot of automation in the past made processes simpler for humans, but still employed them at the same rate. After all, a person driving a carriage could now drive a car, right? Well, now the concept of a "driver" won't even exist in one hundred years. That's going to be phased out, as will the accompanying largest profession in the United States.

You can't just replace every one of those drivers with a mechanic. One mechanic will fix ten cars, and in time, you'll get a mechanic to fix ten mechanical mechanics that fix one hundred cars.

The concern isn't that every job will vanish, but ones that you can get without a bachelor's degree will vanish, since they're often simple enough jobs for machines to take over if advanced enough. It's going to cause a shrinkage of those kinds of jobs while the rest of society is forced to exist in a debt culture.

I don't think automation itself is bad since it raises the living standard, but there's a clear economic consequence to creating a shrinking zero sum game of basic labor. You either need to educate STEM fields for free or you need to accept UBI and the welfare state, because the libertarian concept of going out and easily finding a job will not be a reality by the end of the century unless a global catastrophe occurs.

Your inability to see foresee what future jobs might be is not evidence of a long-term problem. I mean, 20 years ago, no would could have imagined jobs like Social Media Director, but it exists now. There will jobs that emerge in a similar fashion as technology improves, just as it has in past iterations of innovation.
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Persuading Americans to transition to a new industry is the tricky part. How does anyone convince a coal miner to join tech fields?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

As for whether or not a HS diploma doesn't get you any where any more...maybe we should teach relevant and valuable skills in high school, rather than pissing away people's brains via indoctrination and shitty public education that costs taxpayers thousands per student per year and doesn't get us anywhere.

This is a collection of buzzwords. People are taught math & science in high school and our scores in the U.S. are pretty shit to begin with, so your suggestion is to teach even more complex shit with the assumption that it will magically give value to a HS diploma. It won't. High schools aren't going to be graduating astrophysicists or climatologists or engineers, because that's what colleges are for.

But colleges are also very expensive, yet they're increasingly becoming the primary way of even getting employed.
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Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

Robots still utterly suck at sticking arbitrarily-shaped objects into arbitrarily-sized boxes.

The Admiral posted...

Your inability to see foresee what future jobs might be is not evidence of a long-term problem. I mean, 20 years ago, no would could have imagined jobs like Social Media Director, but it exists now. There will jobs that emerge in a similar fashion as technology improves, just as it has in past iterations of innovation.

You list another specialized position that requires post-High School education in order to practically acquire. I'm sure innovation in fields and technology will replace some lost jobs, but my contention is that the bulk will be ones that are harder to obtain due to education requirements that go beyond what a high school can provide.

I don't expect this overnight or in the next decade, but it's a long term issue, and I think you heavily, heavily underestimate our ability to technologically advance if you think it won't be an issue within the next 50-70 years.
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Good thing Trumps gonna save those jobs... or something.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

As for whether or not a HS diploma doesn't get you any where any more...maybe we should teach relevant and valuable skills in high school, rather than pissing away people's brains via indoctrination and shitty public education that costs taxpayers thousands per student per year and doesn't get us anywhere.

This is a collection of buzzwords. People are taught math & science in high school and our scores in the U.S. are pretty shit to begin with, so your suggestion is to teach even more complex shit with the assumption that it will magically give value to a HS diploma. It won't. High schools aren't going to be graduating astrophysicists or climatologists or engineers, because that's what colleges are for.

But colleges are also very expensive, yet they're increasingly becoming the primary way of even getting employed.

Most college degrees are worthless though. Maybe we should start teaching HS and college kids how to work in the trades, how to think like engineers, how to think critically, etc. Instead of indoctrinating them with third-wave feminist theory and 17th century lesbian Guatemalan poetry and underwater basket weaving.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

As for whether or not a HS diploma doesn't get you any where any more...maybe we should teach relevant and valuable skills in high school, rather than pissing away people's brains via indoctrination and shitty public education that costs taxpayers thousands per student per year and doesn't get us anywhere.

This is a collection of buzzwords. People are taught math & science in high school and our scores in the U.S. are pretty shit to begin with, so your suggestion is to teach even more complex shit with the assumption that it will magically give value to a HS diploma. It won't. High schools aren't going to be graduating astrophysicists or climatologists or engineers, because that's what colleges are for.

But colleges are also very expensive, yet they're increasingly becoming the primary way of even getting employed.

Most college degrees are worthless though. Maybe we should start teaching HS and college kids how to work in the trades, how to think like engineers, how to think critically, etc. Instead of indoctrinating them with third-wave feminist theory and 17th century lesbian Guatemalan poetry and underwater basket weaving.

Fucking LOL.
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