Poll of the Day > what the hell is going on with net neutrality?

(+) Yeah! (+)

it's been a hot topic for months and yet that's all it's been despite people saying the end is near for a internet without restrictions

are they just gonna decide this when they feel like it or is this like healthcare? they just don't know how to present it
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They wanna slow down our porn!
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Money in politics wins again.

yaaay comcast can make more money now. Libertarianism woohoo

Worth noting that despite most sources not mentioning it (out of fear that it would split the internet in half probably) this is almost entirely a Republican thing. There were a couple "radical left" politicians sticking up for net neutrality, but for the most part Centrist Corporate Democrats, and as far as I know every single Republican, was for tearing it down.

Yeah well, now it's over so all we can do is try harder to get money out of politics and fix it later.
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They know everyone except ISPs are against the removal of net neutrality (including corporations that aren't ISPs), have already proven that the claim by ISPs that they can't grow with net neutrality in place is a load of crap, but screw you nation you're not corporations that can organize funding for politicians so you don't matter.

The strange things about this as I've said before is only the ISPs benefit from this, every other corporation is against it, because they lose out as ISPs will charge them more, despite this they're pushing with the removal of net neutrality anyway despite every corporation except the ISPs being against it. Whatever the ISPs are offering in exchange for the removal of net neutrality must be huge if they're willing to piss off every other corporation in the process. Or maybe the corporations that support net neutrality have more influence in the democratic party and the ISPs have more influence in the republican party.
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The vote is on December 14. A single Google search was all you needed.

Why do you post?
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Theyre trying to turn off all cartoons forever.
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Haven't seen these yet but Last Week Tonight with John Oliver is a pretty informative show.

Net neutrality: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU

Net neutrality II: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vuuZt7wak

Net neutrality update: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI5y-_sqJT0
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Yellow posted...

Money in politics wins again.

That's the whole idea.
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yutterh posted...

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver is a pretty informative show.

Personally can't stand him. All he does is spew out leftist bullshit. I'm a liberal libertarian myself, but the guy's voice feels like total propaganda. His face lights up like a Christmas tree when the laughtrack audience (please laugh) giggles at his jokes. I hate the ass backward Trump administration as much as anyone else (within reason), but I can just picture John Oliver going home every night and having a massive wank to every Trump protest he can find on YouTube. What a tool.

TigerTycoon posted...

only the ISPs benefit from this

There's your answer! USA! USA!
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I'm not sure how much my obscure ISP benefits from this
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Making America great again.
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Hopefully it doesnt go through. Pornhub would be a nightmare... you think micro transactions are bad lol?
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^that kid does not know what net neutrality is does he?
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NightMareBunny posted...

^that kid does not know what net neutrality is does he?

He doesn't know much about anything.
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When most people say they want "net neutrality" what they're referring to is the idea of a free and open Internet. When most people say the government is getting rid of "net neutrality" they're referring to regulations that were passed in 2015 by the FCC. Regulations meant to control the Internet. So basically the opposite of free and open. The plan was to use the archaic Title II regulations, meant to regulate telephone companies of the 1930s, to regulate Internet service providers today.

This was a bad idea from the start. Telephone companies have stagnated under Title II. The latest innovations offered for telephones, such as caller ID, voicemail, and call-waiting were all developed and brought to market by the end of the 80s. The telephone service has languished under Title II. Meanwhile, the Internet has flourished. Unrestricted by onerous regulations (thanks Clinton administration) the Internet has innovated and grown astoundingly fast. Why do we want to change that to work like the telephone company?

When everyone screams that we're losing "Net Neutrality" we're not actually changing how the Internet works. The Title II regulations hadn't even gone into affect so this revocation of Title II won't change anything. The Internet you know and love didn't change and now the plan to change it has been stopped. Stop complaining, the Internet you've enjoyed for years is being saved!

The reason people are complaining is they are worried about a boogeyman that hasn't happened yet. Comcast didn't throttle Netflix, it was actually a much more nuanced problem. Large Internet companies have peering relationships where they agree it is mutually beneficial to interconnect with each other so neither party pays the other. End users pay residential ISPs for access to their network. Data centers (and their customers) pay large ISPs for access to their network. Then these large networks connect to each other at no charge to form the entire Internet.

But as Netflix started sending more and more traffic these connections started getting overloaded. So everything started slowing down. Not just Netflix, any site that reached Comcast users through the same networks that Netflix used saw decreased latency and longer load times. However video streaming is more sensitive to slowdown than website browsing so these customers complained the loudest.

The solution is for Comcast to connect directly with Netflix, giving them better access to their customers and preventing other sties from suffering by having to share the bandwidth with Netflix streaming video. But who should pay for this? Comcast or Netflix? If Comcast pays for it then, they will probably increase Internet costs to cover the expense. But then all their customers will be paying for the Netflix usage, even if they don't use Netflix. It makes more sense that Netflix pay for it. Then either they eat the costs themselves or they raise their prices making only Netflix users pay for Netflix service.

Netflix wanted to blame someone else instead of paying more for a service they overused. Netflix doesn't want to increase costs, because that means less revenue or they have to raise prices. They know their customers don't want to pay much more. So they blamed Comcast and hoped that all the Comcast customers would indirectly pay for the costs and their service could remain attractive at its current price point.

The general public latched onto this story and framed it as Comcast slowing down a competitor when it had nothing at all to do with that. They were worried Comcast was going to start checking what services their users used and charging them different rates based on what they use. That's not at all what happened. They were actually protecting their customers from being forced to subsidize Netflix.

Stop complaining about Title II being removed! It was a horrible solution to a misrepresented problem.


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Energy Surge posted...

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Neat.
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