Current Events > Life is largely about waiting to die.

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Just finding ways to entertain yourself until it is over.

2edgy4me
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3khc posted...

2edgy4me

Not really trying to be edgy. It is just an observation.

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic
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VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

CE has some truly depressing topics at times.
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Jiggy101011 posted...

CE has some truly depressing topics at times.

It is called being a realist. I look at it this way: if I were terminally ill, would I want the doctor to tell me the truth, or lie to me so that I can continue living happily? The answer to that question varies from person to person.

I tagged someone as .
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Laserion posted...

I tagged someone as .

Aw, did I make you feel uncomfortable?

It was about a month ago, I think.
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Laserion posted...

It was about a month ago, I think.

Ah ok, fair enough.

No it is whatever purpose you have has to create strivings otherwise you are wasting energy.
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CiIantro posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

I agree tbh
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TC neeeds alcohol. Life will get way better.

Maybe yours, I would live forever if I had the choice tbh, assuming suicide is still in the question after like a million years
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Life is largely about hoping you don't die soon.
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assassinCrash posted...

CiIantro posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

I agree tbh

I think the sole exception is for individuals who are in positions of extreme wealth and power. If you are able to heavily stack the deck to favor your descendants, then it is justifiable.
In the end though, that just brings up ethical questions regarding our social structure.

Bro, 2 deep
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ThyCorndog posted...

Maybe yours, I would live forever if I had the choice tbh, assuming suicide is still in the question after like a million years

No, it is not 'maybe mine'. Anything you do is pointless. Eventually, the human race will be obliterated and anything you may have accomplished will have been meaningless. The best you can hope for now is to find some level of enjoyment. From a philosophical perspective, I think Ethical Hedonism has it right. The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others.

darkprince45 posted...

Bro, 2 deep

You have clearly never taken a philosophy class.

CiIantro posted...

The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others.

I'd agree with that. Wanting to enjoy yourself sounds like a reason to live tho
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CiIantro posted...

assassinCrash posted...

CiIantro posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

I agree tbh

I think the sole exception is for individuals who are in positions of extreme wealth and power. If you are able to heavily stack the deck to favor your descendants, then it is justifiable.
In the end though, that just brings up ethical questions regarding our social structure.

lol yeah no wonder you're miserable
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The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting.

Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left.
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Life is about the struggle to find love and get laid.
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ShotOJameson posted...

CiIantro posted...

assassinCrash posted...

CiIantro posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

I agree tbh

I think the sole exception is for individuals who are in positions of extreme wealth and power. If you are able to heavily stack the deck to favor your descendants, then it is justifiable.
In the end though, that just brings up ethical questions regarding our social structure.

lol yeah no wonder you're miserable

I would rather be miserable than blissfully ignorant. No everyone feels that way. Plenty of people are happy to whittle away their lives worshiping assorted 'gods' because it makes them feel good. Red pull, blue pill, etc.

Everyone has a reason for living. Its just about finding what that is, and respecting other people's purpose and potential.

This topic is honestly pissing me off, its so pathetic. I'm nearly to the point of not being able to fuck with this place anymore...
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting.

Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left.

Which goes back to why I have increasingly been questioning the ethics of reproduction. Should we really force people to live?

CiIantro posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

CiIantro posted...

assassinCrash posted...

CiIantro posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

I agree tbh

I think the sole exception is for individuals who are in positions of extreme wealth and power. If you are able to heavily stack the deck to favor your descendants, then it is justifiable.
In the end though, that just brings up ethical questions regarding our social structure.

lol yeah no wonder you're miserable

I would rather be miserable than blissfully ignorant. No everyone feels that way. Plenty of people are happy to whittle away their lives worshiping assorted 'gods' because it makes them feel good. Red pull, blue pill, etc.

wtf are you talking about?
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More wanting than waiting, here
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ShotOJameson posted...

Everyone has a reason for living. Its just about finding what that is, and respecting other people's purpose and potential.

This topic is honestly pissing me off, its so pathetic. I'm nearly to the point of not being able to fuck with this place anymore...

Sure, everyone can find a purpose, but in an extreme long-view, it will all have been meaningless. Humanity will go extinct one day. What is pathetic is refusing to realize that in the end, our lives dont matter.
That doesnt mean you cant enjoy your life, but it is silly to think that we actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

ShotOJameson posted...

CiIantro posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

CiIantro posted...

assassinCrash posted...

CiIantro posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

I agree tbh

I think the sole exception is for individuals who are in positions of extreme wealth and power. If you are able to heavily stack the deck to favor your descendants, then it is justifiable.
In the end though, that just brings up ethical questions regarding our social structure.

lol yeah no wonder you're miserable

I would rather be miserable than blissfully ignorant. No everyone feels that way. Plenty of people are happy to whittle away their lives worshiping assorted 'gods' because it makes them feel good. Red pull, blue pill, etc.

wtf are you talking about?

I was referring to how you believe that extreme wealth and power is the only way to be happy/content in life. That is how people stay miserable. wake up

Wake up? LOL
Take off your rose-colored glasses. It is unethical to force someone to live a life as a serf. It is undeniably unethical to reproduce if you are poor, and the ethics get grey when you are middle class. It is only justifiable to bring someone into this world if you have the means to set them up extremely well. That minimizes pain and maximizes pleasure.

CiIantro posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

Everyone has a reason for living. Its just about finding what that is, and respecting other people's purpose and potential.

This topic is honestly pissing me off, its so pathetic. I'm nearly to the point of not being able to fuck with this place anymore...

Sure, everyone can find a purpose, but in an extreme long-view, it will all have been meaningless. Humanity will go extinct one day. What is pathetic is refusing to realize that in the end, our lives dont matter.
That doesnt mean you cant enjoy your life, but it is silly to think that we actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

well that is technically true, but thats not necessarily a bad thing either. Keeps one humble. Which is step one to happiness imo.
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CiIantro posted...

but it is silly to think that we actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

barring some religious people, no one actually thinks this though. my life matters to me and to people who care about me. beyond that my life has no meaning and that's fine. I would still live for an obscenely long time if I had the ability
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CiIantro posted...

Wake up? LOL
Take off your rose-colored glasses. It is unethical to force someone to live a life as a serf. It is undeniably unethical to reproduce if you are poor, and the ethics get grey when you are middle class. It is only justifiable to bring someone into this world if you have the means to set them up extremely well. That minimizes pain and maximizes pleasure.

when you are given a difficult situation you can look at it one of 2 ways: woe is me or this is an opportunity to do something great and one day help others that might be going through difficult circumstances. I grew up poor, with a drug addicted father, I chose the latter.
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Why are people so scared of murder? We're all gonna die in the end anyway.
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ThyCorndog posted...

CiIantro posted...

The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others.

I'd agree with that. Wanting to enjoy yourself sounds like a reason to live tho

yea avoid pain, seek pleasure, maintain health or in other words get self-preservation down.
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CiIantro posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Birth is the leading cause of death

We must do something about this epidemic

The older I get, the more I think reproduction is unethical. It is completely pointless and is done without consent of the party being born. By creating life, you are creating a being with the capacity to feel intense pain.

I hate anti-human philosophies. You wouldn't be able to make that argument if you weren't born.

You need some Jordan B Peterson brah
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Sure

So why dread it? I look forward to death.
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ShotOJameson posted...

CiIantro posted...

Wake up? LOL
Take off your rose-colored glasses. It is unethical to force someone to live a life as a serf. It is undeniably unethical to reproduce if you are poor, and the ethics get grey when you are middle class. It is only justifiable to bring someone into this world if you have the means to set them up extremely well. That minimizes pain and maximizes pleasure.

when you are given a difficult situation you can look at it one of 2 ways: woe is me or this is an opportunity to do something great and one day help others that might be going through difficult circumstances. I grew up poor, with a drug addicted father, I chose the latter.

Sure, that is fine once you are born, and I dont discount that. But do you think that it is ethical for a poor, drug addicted father to be reproducing? I don't think so. He is burdening an innocent party with many social and economic disadvantages. Sure they can overcome, but the odds are stacked against them.
I would take it a step further and say that a father should ONLY reproduce if he has the ability to tilt the odds of happiness heavily in his kid's favor (ie through economic means).

CiIantro posted...

The Catgirl Fondler posted...

The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting.

Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left.

Which goes back to why I have increasingly been questioning the ethics of reproduction. Should we really force people to live?

I know I certainly would have preferred being aborted, as being born lower class pretty much ensured I would never amount to anything, least of all "happy".

At this point I'm just useless surplus human stock, and I'll never fathom why my parents brought me into this world when they knew from the beginning I wouldn't have a chance.
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ehhwhatever posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

CiIantro posted...

The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others.

I'd agree with that. Wanting to enjoy yourself sounds like a reason to live tho

yea avoid pain, seek pleasure, maintain health or in other words get self-preservation down.

Yeah, but the difference of Ethical Hedonism is that your pleasure seeking should never cause another person pain or prevent someone else from seeking pleasure.

The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it.

Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.
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ShotOJameson posted...

The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and an inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it.

Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.

Fine, that is a valid world-view, but you didnt answer my question: should a poor, drug addicted father be reproducing even though it burdens an innocent party with extreme challenges?

CiIantro posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

CiIantro posted...

Wake up? LOL
Take off your rose-colored glasses. It is unethical to force someone to live a life as a serf. It is undeniably unethical to reproduce if you are poor, and the ethics get grey when you are middle class. It is only justifiable to bring someone into this world if you have the means to set them up extremely well. That minimizes pain and maximizes pleasure.

when you are given a difficult situation you can look at it one of 2 ways: woe is me or this is an opportunity to do something great and one day help others that might be going through difficult circumstances. I grew up poor, with a drug addicted father, I chose the latter.

Sure, that is fine once you are born, and I dont discount that. But do you think that it is ethical for a poor, drug addicted father to be reproducing? I don't think so. He is burdening an innocent party with many social and economic disadvantages. Sure they can overcome, but the odds are stacked against them.
I would take it a step further and say that a father should ONLY reproduce if he has the ability to tilt the odds of happiness heavily in his kid's favor (ie through economic means).

well, that's life...it ain't perfect. deal.

tbh I'm different though because I hate privilege and I want to work for everything. If I grew up like a Kardashhian or some shit I would probably wanna kill myself out of guilt. So much suffering in the world why do I get to live like a king? Seems fucked. Maybe that makes me 'crazy' or something but whatever idc nofuxgiven
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Agreed.

At 26 im at a point where i dont know what this is all about. I indulge myself in semi-senseless shopping, i rarely game anymore besides playing PES, i started going to guitar lessons after 9 years of playing, i have a band, im trying to mend a broken heart, going through girls but not finding anyone exciting. Nothing is as exciting as it used to be. I plan on getting an electronic drumkit since drumming is the most exciting thing for me currently, its such a release, TC, you should try it.
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CiIantro posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and an inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it.

Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.

Fine, that is a valid world-view, but you didnt answer my question: should a poor, drug addicted father be reproducing even though it burdens an innocent party with extreme challenges?

Do you mean dashed expectations or frustration? All those are recent invaders of the mind. There is a dark side to the emergence of consciousness.
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Verdekal posted...

Why are people so scared of murder? We're all gonna die in the end anyway.

because people want to die of old age/their own terms? would you want someone to take away your life?
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I just think everyone is human right? but we're all different in certain ways and circumstances so do whatever works for YOU. You make your own life.

i.e. being an asshole works for some people BUT it does not work for me so I'm not (or I try not to be but I ain't perfect)

one of my philosophies in life is to leave something better than it was than when I came, it makes me happy to do that and feel like I 'matter' in some way if I do. I always want to be a 'producer' over being just a consumer, that's important to me. if I'm not contributing I feel somewhat worthless, this is a regular human condition I believe.
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CiIantro posted...

Just finding ways to entertain yourself until it is over.

If you want to take it to that perspective.. Nobody is willingly "waiting" here to die. And if they hate waiting, they could just kill themselves and be done with.

But life isn't about dying. It's about living. Learning and experiencing as much as you can and just making the most of it with the people that matter. If you don't want to, that's on you. The biggest thing holding you back is yourself.
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