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EyeWontBeFooled 11/24/17 4:29:21 PM #51:	The Catgirl Fondler posted... The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting. Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left. Couldn't agree more. If my MS takes away my ability to speak, walk, AND move my limbs, you'd better fucking believe I will make plans to take 'the permanent vacation.' --- Welcome to the Brave New World of 1984! Current temp: Fahrenheit 451 It's never a bad day, and always a good night, so BE HAPPY and enjoy your stay! <cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted [p:890991825] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted...</cite> <quote>The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting. Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left.</quote> Couldn't agree more. If my MS takes away my ability to speak, walk, AND move my limbs, you'd better fucking believe I will make plans to take 'the permanent vacation.'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeningradCowboy 11/24/17 4:30:05 PM #52:	From an atheistic worldview, sure. CiIantro posted... ehhwhatever posted... ThyCorndog posted... CiIantro posted... The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others. I'd agree with that. Wanting to enjoy yourself sounds like a reason to live tho yea avoid pain, seek pleasure, maintain health or in other words get self-preservation down. Yeah, but the difference of Ethical Hedonism is that your pleasure seeking should never cause another person pain or prevent someone else from seeking pleasure. What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? <cite>LeningradCowboy posted [p:890991851] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>From an atheistic worldview, sure. <cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ehhwhatever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote> The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others.</quote> I'd agree with that. Wanting to enjoy yourself sounds like a reason to live tho</quote> yea avoid pain, seek pleasure, maintain health or in other words get self-preservation down.</quote> Yeah, but the difference of Ethical Hedonism is that your pleasure seeking should never cause another person pain or prevent someone else from seeking pleasure.</quote> What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/24/17 4:30:56 PM #53:	Life is a good show that ran on NBC but got canceled after one season. it was about a cop framed for murder and sent away for Life, but then he's proven innocent and let out. and he goes back to his old job while searching for the guy who framed him. <cite>Zikten posted [p:890991892] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>Life is a good show that ran on NBC but got canceled after one season. it was about a cop framed for murder and sent away for Life, but then he's proven innocent and let out. and he goes back to his old job while searching for the guy who framed him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 4:32:46 PM #54:	3khc posted... 2edgy4me How is it edgy? My view and philosophy on life matches tc's word for word. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890991976] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>2edgy4me</quote> How is it edgy? My view and philosophy on life matches tc's word for word.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ehhwhatever 11/24/17 4:34:00 PM #55:	LeningradCowboy posted... From an atheistic worldview, sure. CiIantro posted... ehhwhatever posted... ThyCorndog posted... CiIantro posted... The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others. I'd agree with that. Wanting to enjoy yourself sounds like a reason to live tho yea avoid pain, seek pleasure, maintain health or in other words get self-preservation down. Yeah, but the difference of Ethical Hedonism is that your pleasure seeking should never cause another person pain or prevent someone else from seeking pleasure. What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you would mess with people or cats and live in Texas. --- Sad that there will never be anyone associated with SNL becoming President of the United States. <cite>ehhwhatever posted [p:890992043] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>From an atheistic worldview, sure. <cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ehhwhatever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote> The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others.</quote> I'd agree with that. Wanting to enjoy yourself sounds like a reason to live tho</quote> yea avoid pain, seek pleasure, maintain health or in other words get self-preservation down.</quote> Yeah, but the difference of Ethical Hedonism is that your pleasure seeking should never cause another person pain or prevent someone else from seeking pleasure.</quote> What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you would mess with people or cats and live in Texas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 11/24/17 4:37:33 PM #56:	sorry if I get too passionate about this shit but I spent the better part of my life/prime years contemplating if I wanted to live or die, and its a major regret of mine now. I don't want anyone to suffer like that. It's bullshit. also I know its the good people in the world that are constantly going through this shit for the most part and we don't need to lose anymore good ones. --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:890992203] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>sorry if I get too passionate about this shit but I spent the better part of my life/prime years contemplating if I wanted to live or die, and its a major regret of mine now. I don't want anyone to suffer like that. It's bullshit. also I know its the good people in the world that are constantly going through this shit for the most part and we don't need to lose anymore good ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanaya413 11/24/17 4:49:05 PM #57:	waits --- Official Secretary of Kyogre's Cascade!!! FC: 5086-1980-2580 IGN: Vivi TSV 4077 Silent Chexmix: "Toxapex is Trump's wall in pixel form." <cite>Kanaya413 posted [p:890992738] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>waits</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 4:58:27 PM #58:	ShotOJameson posted... Everyone has a reason for living. Its just about finding what that is, and respecting other people's purpose and potential. This topic is honestly pissing me off, its so pathetic. I'm nearly to the point of not being able to fuck with this place anymore... Some people run low on or out of patience during the search. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890993208] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone has a reason for living. Its just about finding what that is, and respecting other people's purpose and potential. This topic is honestly pissing me off, its so pathetic. I'm nearly to the point of not being able to fuck with this place anymore...</quote> Some people run low on or out of patience during the search.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanaya413 11/24/17 5:01:43 PM #59:	The Catgirl Fondler posted... The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting. Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left. --- Official Secretary of Kyogre's Cascade!!! FC: 5086-1980-2580 IGN: Vivi TSV 4077 Silent Chexmix: "Toxapex is Trump's wall in pixel form." <cite>Kanaya413 posted [p:890993355] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted...</cite> <quote>The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting. Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 11/24/17 5:04:41 PM #60:	On_The_Edge posted... You need some Jordan B Peterson brah I like how that guy despises post-modernists yet has a post-modern understanding of Christianity --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:890993512] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>On_The_Edge posted...</cite> <quote>You need some Jordan B Peterson brah</quote> I like how that guy despises post-modernists yet has a post-modern understanding of Christianity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 5:12:37 PM #61:	ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890993873] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 11/24/17 5:14:23 PM #62:	Kanaya413 posted... The Catgirl Fondler posted... The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting. Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left. ok I can understand this, but how can u ever accomplish anything worthy of note if the moment it gets difficult you default to wanting to kill yourself? I made a decision a long time ago I stood there with a gun to my head and said if I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do this right now no more waffling and I couldn't do it, I saw the faces of my friends, family members and my mom all being distraught with sadness and thought no way in hell can I put them through that and that is when I decided to start living life. I eliminated that escape of not having to worry about responsibility because I can just 'kill myself and it won't matter' and I've been happy and cool with life ever since knowing that THAT is not an option anymore. Now I understand that not everyone has a supportive family and circle of friends and my heart goes out to them it really does because I legit wouldn't be here without them. --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:890993956] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kanaya413 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted...</cite> <quote>The problem, of course, is when someone runs out of reasons to keep waiting. Some people just aren't meant for long in this world, and I can't fault them for wanting to leave early because suicide was the only valid option they had left.</quote></quote> ok I can understand this, but how can u ever accomplish anything worthy of note if the moment it gets difficult you default to wanting to kill yourself? I made a decision a long time ago I stood there with a gun to my head and said if I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do this right now no more waffling and I couldn't do it, I saw the faces of my friends, family members and my mom all being distraught with sadness and thought no way in hell can I put them through that and that is when I decided to start living life. I eliminated that escape of not having to worry about responsibility because I can just 'kill myself and it won't matter' and I've been happy and cool with life ever since knowing that THAT is not an option anymore. Now I understand that not everyone has a supportive family and circle of friends and my heart goes out to them it really does because I legit wouldn't be here without them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 11/24/17 5:16:00 PM #63:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:890994021] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 5:17:30 PM #64:	ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. I don't know how. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890994079] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> I don't know how.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KarmaMuffin 11/24/17 5:18:02 PM #65:	On_The_Edge posted... I hate anti-human philosophies. You wouldn't be able to make that argument if you weren't born. What an absurd argument. <cite>KarmaMuffin posted [p:890994107] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>On_The_Edge posted...</cite> <quote>I hate anti-human philosophies. You wouldn't be able to make that argument if you weren't born. </quote> What an absurd argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/24/17 5:18:56 PM #66:	I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:890994150] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 11/24/17 5:21:35 PM #67:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. I don't know how. turn shit into sugar --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:890994288] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> I don't know how.</quote> turn shit into sugar</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret 11/24/17 5:26:04 PM #68:	which is why im a huge advocate of doing what you want and dont feel bad if you feel like you havnt accomplished much. 99.9999% of the time it wont amount to anything anyway by the end. --- Currently playing: Forza Horizon 3 - Dead Rising - Hitman <cite>Dark_Spiret posted [p:890994496] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>which is why im a huge advocate of doing what you want and dont feel bad if you feel like you havnt accomplished much. 99.9999% of the time it wont amount to anything anyway by the end.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 5:26:28 PM #69:	ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. I don't know how. turn shit into sugar This is just using different words to say what you already said :/. Without knowing what sugar is, turning shit into it isn't an option. It would just be doing random things with shit and having turn into ??? and then being all "is it sugar now? Wtf I don't know." The first time you turned pain into joy, how did you know it was joy you turned it into? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890994507] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> I don't know how.</quote> turn shit into sugar</quote> This is just using different words to say what you already said :/. Without knowing what sugar is, turning shit into it isn't an option. It would just be doing random things with shit and having turn into ??? and then being all "is it sugar now? Wtf I don't know." The first time you turned pain into joy, how did you know it was joy you turned it into?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 11/24/17 5:26:55 PM #70:	Darklit_Minuet posted... I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg this is so depressing to me... nihiism is 'fun' but adopting that as a philosophy in life can lead one to losing their mind imo. Been there, done that. But if it works for you, cool. --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:890994525] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg</quote> this is so depressing to me... nihiism is 'fun' but adopting that as a philosophy in life can lead one to losing their mind imo. Been there, done that. But if it works for you, cool.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ehhwhatever 11/24/17 5:32:54 PM #71:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. I don't know how. Ever heard of the term "know thyself" or "know what you like"? I've heard it many times because it works. If you are doing stuff string the actions together, like audiophiles for example. --- Sad that there will never be anyone associated with SNL becoming President of the United States. <cite>ehhwhatever posted [p:890994806] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> I don't know how.</quote> Ever heard of the term "know thyself" or "know what you like"? I've heard it many times because it works. If you are doing stuff string the actions together, like audiophiles for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 11/24/17 5:37:22 PM #72:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. I don't know how. turn shit into sugar This is just using different words to say what you already said :/. Without knowing what sugar is, turning shit into it isn't an option. It would just be doing random things with shit and having turn into ??? and then being all "is it sugar now? Wtf I don't know." The first time you turned pain into joy, how did you know it was joy you turned it into? ok one example is comedy. you can take something shitty that happens to you and people relate to it then it becomes funny. Really art of any kind, true expression, when related to by others can make someone else feel something, an understanding. When you hear really good blues doesn't it make you feel good? doesn't it make you feel empowered? like ok someone gets it, gets me, thats awesome. Truly dope shit. --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:890994996] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> I don't know how.</quote> turn shit into sugar</quote> This is just using different words to say what you already said :/. Without knowing what sugar is, turning shit into it isn't an option. It would just be doing random things with shit and having turn into ??? and then being all "is it sugar now? Wtf I don't know." The first time you turned pain into joy, how did you know it was joy you turned it into?</quote> ok one example is comedy. you can take something shitty that happens to you and people relate to it then it becomes funny. Really art of any kind, true expression, when related to by others can make someone else feel something, an understanding. When you hear really good blues doesn't it make you feel good? doesn't it make you feel empowered? like ok someone gets it, gets me, thats awesome. Truly dope shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 5:40:16 PM #73:	ehhwhatever posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. I don't know how. Ever heard of the term "know thyself" or "know what you like"? I've heard it many times because it works. If you are doing stuff string the actions together, like audiophiles for example. When I'm sober, it is extremely difficult to like things. This has always been the case for me, long before I had ever tried any kind of mind-altering substance. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890995120] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ehhwhatever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> I don't know how.</quote> Ever heard of the term "know thyself" or "know what you like"? I've heard it many times because it works. If you are doing stuff string the actions together, like audiophiles for example.</quote> When I'm sober, it is extremely difficult to like things. This has always been the case for me, long before I had ever tried any kind of mind-altering substance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 5:42:48 PM #74:	ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... ShotOJameson posted... The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed. How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it. you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo. I don't know how. turn shit into sugar This is just using different words to say what you already said :/. Without knowing what sugar is, turning shit into it isn't an option. It would just be doing random things with shit and having turn into ??? and then being all "is it sugar now? Wtf I don't know." The first time you turned pain into joy, how did you know it was joy you turned it into? ok one example is comedy. you can take something shitty that happens to you and people relate to it then it becomes funny. Really art of any kind, true expression, when related to by others can make someone else feel something, an understanding. When you hear really good blues doesn't it make you feel good? doesn't it make you feel empowered? like ok someone gets it, gets me, thats awesome. Truly dope shit. Ah, I see what you're saying. The thing with me though is that I've never been able to feel a sense of anyone relating to me, whether or not they actually do. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890995238] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>The trick in life is being able to convert your pain into joy (not by being an asshole either) then you are legitimately unstoppable and a respectable, inspirational figure. My belief has always been that the pain you feel will always come back to equal amounts joy you just have to work at it. Life is dope man, but if you want it to be easy though you're probably gonna be disappointed.</quote> How exactly do people stumble upon joy though? I'd have to know what it is before I could convert anything else to it.</quote> you don't 'stumble' upon it, you create it imo.</quote> I don't know how.</quote> turn shit into sugar</quote> This is just using different words to say what you already said :/. Without knowing what sugar is, turning shit into it isn't an option. It would just be doing random things with shit and having turn into ??? and then being all "is it sugar now? Wtf I don't know." The first time you turned pain into joy, how did you know it was joy you turned it into?</quote> ok one example is comedy. you can take something shitty that happens to you and people relate to it then it becomes funny. Really art of any kind, true expression, when related to by others can make someone else feel something, an understanding. When you hear really good blues doesn't it make you feel good? doesn't it make you feel empowered? like ok someone gets it, gets me, thats awesome. Truly dope shit.</quote> Ah, I see what you're saying. The thing with me though is that I've never been able to feel a sense of anyone relating to me, whether or not they actually do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
alimajor 11/24/17 5:48:40 PM #75:	You should go watch Bojack Horseman <cite>alimajor posted [p:890995494] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>You should go watch Bojack Horseman</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 11/24/17 5:49:03 PM #76:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Ah, I see what you're saying. The thing with me though is that I've never been able to feel a sense of anyone relating to me, whether or not they actually do. That statement itself is extremely relatable lol --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:890995515] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Ah, I see what you're saying. The thing with me though is that I've never been able to feel a sense of anyone relating to me, whether or not they actually do. </quote> That statement itself is extremely relatable lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/24/17 5:50:36 PM #77:	ShotOJameson posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Ah, I see what you're saying. The thing with me though is that I've never been able to feel a sense of anyone relating to me, whether or not they actually do. That statement itself is extremely relatable lol Is it? shrugs :P --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890995597] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Ah, I see what you're saying. The thing with me though is that I've never been able to feel a sense of anyone relating to me, whether or not they actually do. </quote> That statement itself is extremely relatable lol</quote> Is it? shrugs :P</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/24/17 10:48:51 PM #78:	LeningradCowboy posted... What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you shouldn't pursue it. Darklit_Minuet posted... I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg rofl, what is that from? <cite>CiIantro posted [p:891009188] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you shouldn't pursue it. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg</quote> rofl, what is that from?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PikachuMaxwell 11/24/17 10:49:46 PM #79:	Grim fatalistic outlook. --- Super Smash Bros. for Wii U mains: http://i.imgur.com/vLFcGb2.png Nintendo Network Name: JohnJohn <cite>PikachuMaxwell posted [p:891009233] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>Grim fatalistic outlook.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeningradCowboy 11/24/17 11:20:26 PM #80:	CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you shouldn't pursue it. By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me? <cite>LeningradCowboy posted [p:891010476] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you shouldn't pursue it.</quote> By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 11/24/17 11:21:34 PM #81:	I accidentally gave myself a reason to live a few weeks ago :\| --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:891010525] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>I accidentally gave myself a reason to live a few weeks ago :\|</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/24/17 11:26:48 PM #82:	LeningradCowboy posted... CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you shouldn't pursue it. By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me? Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray <cite>CiIantro posted [p:891010747] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you shouldn't pursue it.</quote> By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me?</quote> Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stalolin 11/24/17 11:28:03 PM #83:	The wolf is at the door. --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman <cite>Stalolin posted [p:891010787] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>The wolf is at the door.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeningradCowboy 11/24/17 11:35:39 PM #84:	CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you shouldn't pursue it. By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me? Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray But if my pleasure involves the torture, rape, and murder of as many people as possible then why should I care about the well being of a society that's going to eventually be wiped out anyway? Obviously I don't take pleasure in such things, but if you get enough people who do then "ethical hedonism" doesn't really have a leg to stand on as a valid philosophical viewpoint. <cite>LeningradCowboy posted [p:891011059] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you shouldn't pursue it.</quote> By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me?</quote> Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray</quote> But if my pleasure involves the torture, rape, and murder of as many people as possible then why should I care about the well being of a society that's going to eventually be wiped out anyway? Obviously I don't take pleasure in such things, but if you get enough people who do then "ethical hedonism" doesn't really have a leg to stand on as a valid philosophical viewpoint.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/24/17 11:38:38 PM #85:	LeningradCowboy posted... CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you shouldn't pursue it. By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me? Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray But if my pleasure involves the torture, rape, and murder of as many people as possible then why should I care about the well being of a society that's going to eventually be wiped out anyway? Obviously I don't take pleasure in such things, but if you get enough people who do then "ethical hedonism" doesn't really have a leg to stand on as a valid philosophical viewpoint. I think it still is a valid viewpoint. Society should seek to maximize net happiness, and all of the acts you mentioned create far more misery for the victim than pleasure for the perpetrator. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:891011188] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you shouldn't pursue it.</quote> By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me?</quote> Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray</quote> But if my pleasure involves the torture, rape, and murder of as many people as possible then why should I care about the well being of a society that's going to eventually be wiped out anyway? Obviously I don't take pleasure in such things, but if you get enough people who do then "ethical hedonism" doesn't really have a leg to stand on as a valid philosophical viewpoint.</quote> I think it still is a valid viewpoint. Society should seek to maximize net happiness, and all of the acts you mentioned create far more misery for the victim than pleasure for the perpetrator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeningradCowboy 11/24/17 11:45:18 PM #86:	CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you shouldn't pursue it. By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me? Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray But if my pleasure involves the torture, rape, and murder of as many people as possible then why should I care about the well being of a society that's going to eventually be wiped out anyway? Obviously I don't take pleasure in such things, but if you get enough people who do then "ethical hedonism" doesn't really have a leg to stand on as a valid philosophical viewpoint. I think it still is a valid viewpoint. Society should seek to maximize net happiness, and all of the acts you mentioned create far more misery for the victim than pleasure for the perpetrator. That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict. <cite>LeningradCowboy posted [p:891011474] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you shouldn't pursue it.</quote> By what standard of morality should I refrain from causing harm if it gratifies me?</quote> Ethical Hedonism has roots in Utilitarianism. ie, people should act in a way that creates the largest amount of net pleasure for society as a whole (pleasure minus pain). He defines hedonism "as an introspective attitude to life based on taking pleasure yourself and pleasuring others, without harming yourself or anyone else."[27] Onfray's philosophical project is to define an ethical hedonism, a joyous utilitarianism, and a generalized aesthetic of sensual materialism that explores how to use the brain's and the body's capacities to their fullest extent -- while restoring philosophy to a useful role in art, politics, and everyday life and decisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism#Michel_Onfray</quote> But if my pleasure involves the torture, rape, and murder of as many people as possible then why should I care about the well being of a society that's going to eventually be wiped out anyway? Obviously I don't take pleasure in such things, but if you get enough people who do then "ethical hedonism" doesn't really have a leg to stand on as a valid philosophical viewpoint.</quote> I think it still is a valid viewpoint. Society should seek to maximize net happiness, and all of the acts you mentioned create far more misery for the victim than pleasure for the perpetrator.</quote> That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/24/17 11:48:14 PM #87:	LeningradCowboy posted... That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict. I think it is a pretty safe bet that causing someone a lifetime of trauma and PTSD creates more pain than any joy the perpetrator could derive. I guess you could argue the opposite, but that is pretty fringe. And in terms of what defines happiness, that depends on the philosophical school of thought. In hedonism, happiness is defined as physical/sensory pleasure. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:891011614] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict.</quote> I think it is a pretty safe bet that causing someone a lifetime of trauma and PTSD creates more pain than any joy the perpetrator could derive. I guess you could argue the opposite, but that is pretty fringe. And in terms of what defines happiness, that depends on the philosophical school of thought. In hedonism, happiness is defined as physical/sensory pleasure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeningradCowboy 11/25/17 12:01:35 AM #88:	CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict. I think it is a pretty safe bet that causing someone a lifetime of trauma and PTSD creates more pain than any joy the perpetrator could derive. I guess you could argue the opposite, but that is pretty fringe. And in terms of what defines happiness, that depends on the philosophical school of thought. In hedonism, happiness is defined as physical/sensory pleasure. What if after a relatively brief period of torture and rape, the victim was murdered? Very little pain in the long run. Physical/sensory pleasure? Someone might find torture funny, rape arousing, and murder calming to the mind. By what rule of logic do you give meaning to a person's emotional health anyway? You believe it's all just chemical reactions, correct? <cite>LeningradCowboy posted [p:891012144] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict.</quote> I think it is a pretty safe bet that causing someone a lifetime of trauma and PTSD creates more pain than any joy the perpetrator could derive. I guess you could argue the opposite, but that is pretty fringe. And in terms of what defines happiness, that depends on the philosophical school of thought. In hedonism, happiness is defined as physical/sensory pleasure.</quote> What if after a relatively brief period of torture and rape, the victim was murdered? Very little pain in the long run. Physical/sensory pleasure? Someone might find torture funny, rape arousing, and murder calming to the mind. By what rule of logic do you give meaning to a person's emotional health anyway? You believe it's all just chemical reactions, correct?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/25/17 12:07:36 AM #89:	LeningradCowboy posted... CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict. I think it is a pretty safe bet that causing someone a lifetime of trauma and PTSD creates more pain than any joy the perpetrator could derive. I guess you could argue the opposite, but that is pretty fringe. And in terms of what defines happiness, that depends on the philosophical school of thought. In hedonism, happiness is defined as physical/sensory pleasure. What if after a relatively brief period of torture and rape, the victim was murdered? Very little pain in the long run. Physical/sensory pleasure? Someone might find torture funny, rape arousing, and murder calming to the mind. By what rule of logic do you give meaning to a person's emotional health anyway? You believe it's all just chemical reactions, correct? If someone is killed, it will cause emotional pain to those that love them. You are coming up with increasingly hyperbolic examples. If we live in a society filled with murder and other atrocities, civilized society will cease to function, people will live in fear, and virtually nobody will be happy. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:891012362] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim. You'd have to be able to accurately gauge the feelings of euphoria and psychological turmoil in each subject before reaching that conclusion. And by what standard should society seek to maximize net happiness? People have varying ideas as to what brings about happiness, which in itself cause societal conflict.</quote> I think it is a pretty safe bet that causing someone a lifetime of trauma and PTSD creates more pain than any joy the perpetrator could derive. I guess you could argue the opposite, but that is pretty fringe. And in terms of what defines happiness, that depends on the philosophical school of thought. In hedonism, happiness is defined as physical/sensory pleasure.</quote> What if after a relatively brief period of torture and rape, the victim was murdered? Very little pain in the long run. Physical/sensory pleasure? Someone might find torture funny, rape arousing, and murder calming to the mind. By what rule of logic do you give meaning to a person's emotional health anyway? You believe it's all just chemical reactions, correct?</quote> If someone is killed, it will cause emotional pain to those that love them. You are coming up with increasingly hyperbolic examples. If we live in a society filled with murder and other atrocities, civilized society will cease to function, people will live in fear, and virtually nobody will be happy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
666Conservative 11/25/17 12:13:24 AM #90:	You should read Catcher in the Rye <cite>666Conservative posted [p:891012570] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>You should read Catcher in the Rye</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apolloooo 11/25/17 12:13:43 AM #91:	CiIantro posted... ThyCorndog posted... Maybe yours, I would live forever if I had the choice tbh, assuming suicide is still in the question after like a million years No, it is not 'maybe mine'. Anything you do is pointless. Eventually, the human race will be obliterated and anything you may have accomplished will have been meaningless. The best you can hope for now is to find some level of enjoyment. From a philosophical perspective, I think Ethical Hedonism has it right. The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others. I agree with this. --- http://i.imgtc.com/iJyp6bF.png http://i.imgtc.com/ZBw36Qh.png Thanks for the peeps that made the pics <3 if i make typos it means i am on phone <cite>apolloooo posted [p:891012586] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe yours, I would live forever if I had the choice tbh, assuming suicide is still in the question after like a million years</quote> No, it is not 'maybe mine'. Anything you do is pointless. Eventually, the human race will be obliterated and anything you may have accomplished will have been meaningless. The best you can hope for now is to find some level of enjoyment. From a philosophical perspective, I think Ethical Hedonism has it right. The purpose of life is to seek pleasure and enjoy your time, while also avoiding causing pain to others.</quote> I agree with this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeningradCowboy 11/25/17 12:14:33 AM #92:	Why does any of that matter though? Why should any individual care about the people around them or the people that come after them? What standard of morality are you using? If it's all based on subjective feelings, you can't make a coherent argument against deriving pleasure from the pain of others. <cite>LeningradCowboy posted [p:891012609] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>Why does any of that matter though? Why should any individual care about the people around them or the people that come after them? What standard of morality are you using? If it's all based on subjective feelings, you can't make a coherent argument against deriving pleasure from the pain of others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/25/17 12:43:24 AM #93:	LeningradCowboy posted... Why does any of that matter though? Why should any individual care about the people around them or the people that come after them? What standard of morality are you using? If it's all based on subjective feelings, you can't make a coherent argument against deriving pleasure from the pain of others. shrugs If everyone acts like an animal and only cares about themselves, the standard of living goes down for everyone. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:891013650] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Why does any of that matter though? Why should any individual care about the people around them or the people that come after them? What standard of morality are you using? If it's all based on subjective feelings, you can't make a coherent argument against deriving pleasure from the pain of others.</quote> shrugs If everyone acts like an animal and only cares about themselves, the standard of living goes down for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 11/25/17 1:59:02 AM #94:	CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain? Then you shouldn't pursue it. Darklit_Minuet posted... I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg rofl, what is that from? Bojack Horseman. Amazing show, you should watch it --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:891016199] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote> What if my pleasure is dependent on someone else's pain?</quote> Then you shouldn't pursue it. <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> I don't see why nihilism is associated with being negative most of the time. I don't believe the world has any meaning to it, but I'm still happy https://img00.deviantart.net/b93f/i/2014/249/b/c/mr__peanutbutter_bojack_horseman_fan_poster_by_danielflemming-d7y69g5.jpg</quote> rofl, what is that from?</quote> Bojack Horseman. Amazing show, you should watch it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeningradCowboy 11/25/17 2:12:05 AM #95:	CiIantro posted... LeningradCowboy posted... Why does any of that matter though? Why should any individual care about the people around them or the people that come after them? What standard of morality are you using? If it's all based on subjective feelings, you can't make a coherent argument against deriving pleasure from the pain of others. shrugs If everyone acts like an animal and only cares about themselves, the standard of living goes down for everyone. And you still can't provide me with a logical explanation of why a "standard of living" matters from your prospective. It's almost like you're avoiding some of my questions because you know the implications of addressing them. <cite>LeningradCowboy posted [p:891016600] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeningradCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Why does any of that matter though? Why should any individual care about the people around them or the people that come after them? What standard of morality are you using? If it's all based on subjective feelings, you can't make a coherent argument against deriving pleasure from the pain of others.</quote> shrugs If everyone acts like an animal and only cares about themselves, the standard of living goes down for everyone.</quote> And you still can't provide me with a logical explanation of why a "standard of living" matters from your prospective. It's almost like you're avoiding some of my questions because you know the implications of addressing them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thelema 11/25/17 2:39:43 AM #97:	Lol at this thread. Since OP is philosophizing, Im going to put here a quote about death I like a lot: There is nothing to be worried about. You will disappear like a snowflake in pure air. You are not going to die, you are only going to disappear. Yes, you will not be found in the individual form. The form will disappear into the formless the snowflake into the pure air. But you will be there and more so. When the river disappears into the ocean, it is not dying it is becoming the ocean, it is spreading, it is becoming bigger, huge, enormous, infinite. I have decided years ago to make spiritual development one of the pillars of my life, and I dont mean following a religion. But anyway. When you start to understand reality on a deeper level, the fact that you will die is not a big deal anymore. You are not only living right now, you are dying, too. As each hour passes, you are closer to death. Life exists through death. One cannot be without the other. I have no sympathy for OPs view of morality. I dont think happiness = pleasure, and I dont think all pleasure is good. --- Look into my eyes, you will see who I am. My name is Lucifer, please take my hand ~ <cite>Thelema posted [p:891017417] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>Lol at this thread. Since OP is philosophizing, Im going to put here a quote about death I like a lot: There is nothing to be worried about. You will disappear like a snowflake in pure air. You are not going to die, you are only going to disappear. Yes, you will not be found in the individual form. The form will disappear into the formless the snowflake into the pure air. But you will be there and more so. When the river disappears into the ocean, it is not dying it is becoming the ocean, it is spreading, it is becoming bigger, huge, enormous, infinite. I have decided years ago to make spiritual development one of the pillars of my life, and I dont mean following a religion. But anyway. When you start to understand reality on a deeper level, the fact that you will die is not a big deal anymore. You are not only living right now, you are dying, too. As each hour passes, you are closer to death. Life exists through death. One cannot be without the other. I have no sympathy for OPs view of morality. I dont think happiness = pleasure, and I dont think all pleasure is good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 11/25/17 2:43:33 AM #98:	Lmao at the cucks in this topic that are privileged enough to even have an existential crisis get a job --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:891017525] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>Lmao at the cucks in this topic that are privileged enough to even have an existential crisis get a job</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/25/17 2:51:48 AM #99:	refmon posted... Lmao at the cucks in this topic that are privileged enough to even have an existential crisis get a job lolwut <cite>CiIantro posted [p:891017743] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote><cite>refmon posted...</cite> <quote>Lmao at the cucks in this topic that are privileged enough to even have an existential crisis get a job</quote> lolwut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joelypoely 11/25/17 3:43:02 AM #100:	Schopenhauer topic. It is really incredible how meaningless and insignificant when seen from without, and how dull and senseless when felt from within, is the course of life of the great majority of men. It is weary longing and worrying, a dreamlike staggering through the four ages from life to death, accompanied by a series of trivial thoughtsEvery individual, every human apparition and its course of life, is only one more short dream of the endless spirit of nature. But seriously it's quite difficult to combat nihilism. The best you can hope for is to establish nihilism as a baseline and overlay existentialism on top of it (or even embrace absurdism). Now establishing your own morality, that's another challenge altogether... Utilitarianism is a good place to start but has a few flaws. Personally I like the idea of conceptualising the highest good in relation to the improvement of society and/or the reduction of suffering and then striving to attain it. But that is problematic too in a number of ways (e.g. 'good' is too subjective and your desires are still never permanently satisfied). Then comes the question of whether life's pleasure is worth the suffering. I don't even know where to begin with that one. I'll just say I disagree with the classic pessimist argument that pain is necessarily positive and pleasure negative as I don't believe pleasure is felt solely in its absence. --- https://philoetryblog.wordpress.com/ <cite>Joelypoely posted [p:891018766] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>Schopenhauer topic. It is really incredible how meaningless and insignificant when seen from without, and how dull and senseless when felt from within, is the course of life of the great majority of men. It is weary longing and worrying, a dreamlike staggering through the four ages from life to death, accompanied by a series of trivial thoughtsEvery individual, every human apparition and its course of life, is only one more short dream of the endless spirit of nature. But seriously it's quite difficult to combat nihilism. The best you can hope for is to establish nihilism as a baseline and overlay existentialism on top of it (or even embrace absurdism). Now establishing your own morality, that's another challenge altogether... Utilitarianism is a good place to start but has a few flaws. Personally I like the idea of conceptualising the highest good in relation to the improvement of society and/or the reduction of suffering and then striving to attain it. But that is problematic too in a number of ways (e.g. 'good' is too subjective and your desires are still never permanently satisfied). Then comes the question of whether life's pleasure is worth the suffering. I don't even know where to begin with that one. I'll just say I disagree with the classic pessimist argument that pain is necessarily positive and pleasure negative as I don't believe pleasure is felt solely in its absence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AuraBlaze1 11/25/17 4:01:11 AM #101:	If people had the choice to leave this world without causing pain to oneself and to others, there'd be a whole lot less people. Once you're born, you cannot die without giving other people grief in some way. I'm against having children myself unless they were guaranteed a certain amount of happiness. There's already enough orphans, and the earth isn't exactly exploding with resources and jobs; then there's the environmental problems. Just too much uncertainty. --- You don't understand because there is nothing to understand. It's nonsense. -Bahamut <cite>AuraBlaze1 posted [p:891019107] in Life is la... [t:76026870]...</cite> <quote>If people had the choice to leave this world without causing pain to oneself and to others, there'd be a whole lot less people. Once you're born, you cannot die without giving other people grief in some way. I'm against having children myself unless they were guaranteed a certain amount of happiness. There's already enough orphans, and the earth isn't exactly exploding with resources and jobs; then there's the environmental problems. Just too much uncertainty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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