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ChromaticAngel posted...

Nightmare_Luna posted...

Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV

Funny cause edge is borderline OP in TAY.

Edge is quite good even in vanilla FF4, it's just that he's a glass cannon. Throw does a lot of damage, but he has pretty low HP (iirc only Rydia is lower for the endgame party) and very low defense as well.

Bokothechoco2 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Nightmare_Luna posted...

Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV

Funny cause edge is borderline OP in TAY.

Edge is quite good even in vanilla FF4, it's just that he's a glass cannon. Throw does a lot of damage, but he has pretty low HP (iirc only Rydia is lower for the endgame party) and very low defense as well.

Edge is actually pretty good in general. His Endgame sword is a free haste.

The weakest FF4 character is actually Tellah.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

The weakest FF4 character is actually Tellah.

I don't know, I think I would give it to either of the Twins.

And why am I the only one talking about Umaro? Such a terrible party member
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Bad_Mojo posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

The weakest FF4 character is actually Tellah.

I don't know, I think I would give it to either of the Twins.

And why am I the only one talking about Umaro? Such a terrible party member

Because Umaro is one the most OP members in FF3. He can do 9999 damage every 2-3 seconds.
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thelovefist posted...

Because Umaro is one the most OP members in FF3. He can do 9999 damage every 2-3 seconds.

Talking about VI, lol
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Bad_Mojo posted...

I don't know, I think I would give it to either of the Twins.

Nah. The twins have normal character stats roughly equivalent to Rosa.

Tellah has a max of 90 MP for the whole game and can actually lose stats on level up.
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FF5 has a ton of shit classes.

I would also say Porky from Earthbound but he's also the best character.

Can we count Pokemon?

Because, come on, fucking Splash?
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Bad_Mojo posted...

thelovefist posted...

Because Umaro is one the most OP members in FF3. He can do 9999 damage every 2-3 seconds.

Talking about VI, lol

It is also known as that sure. I played it when it was called FF3 though.
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thelovefist posted...

It is also known as that sure. I played it when it was called FF3 though.

So did I

I also saw Star Wars before it was Episode 4, but I still call it A New Hope. Get with the times, man
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scar the 1 posted...

Edward from FF IV

How did this take 38 posts?
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RaptorLC posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Edward from FF IV

How did this take 38 posts?

Because he's still not Jogurt.
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bover_87 posted...

Umaro and Cyan from FFVI.

In fairness, they fixed Cyan in the PC/mobile versions, so that you just choose which of his attacks you want to use, then he waits the required length of time while you're doing other stuff.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Bokothechoco2 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Nightmare_Luna posted...

Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV

Funny cause edge is borderline OP in TAY.

Edge is quite good even in vanilla FF4, it's just that he's a glass cannon. Throw does a lot of damage, but he has pretty low HP (iirc only Rydia is lower for the endgame party) and very low defense as well.

Edge is actually pretty good in general. His Endgame sword is a free haste.

The weakest FF4 character is actually Tellah.

Tellah has tornado, making for an easy win against the dark elf second fight.

And it takes an extremely large amount of grinding to even get to a level where tellah would begin to lose stats upon leveling up.

Actually, fusoya is worse considering when you get him. His very specific mp amount is also awful. But he has that paralyze skill so he's necessary for the rydia Rosa speed run route. Basically, in half an hour you gain over half a million exp and get Rosa and rydia to the upper 50 level range. Because exploits in battle speed, turn order and the excess of ethers the game tosses you.
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thelovefist posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

The weakest FF4 character is actually Tellah.

I don't know, I think I would give it to either of the Twins.

And why am I the only one talking about Umaro? Such a terrible party member

Because Umaro is one the most OP members in FF3. He can do 9999 damage every 2-3 seconds.

Unless you level him to 99 (which takes forever in VI and nullifies any pretense of challenge the game could have had), no he fucking can't.
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Umaro is the least broken in a game where the main 2 girls can both viably solo the game without issue
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Why are people naming Yuffie? Just because you don't like her, it doesn't make her useless.

Jogurt is obviously the best one named. But yeah, Chrono Cross and Suikoden are filled with outright bad characters that serve little to no purpose other than roster size.

Don'tCHA know who definitely sucks?
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The Suikoden games obviously have a lot of useless characters because the rosters are so huge. Let's be real, at least a third of them are useless and there only for plot purposes
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philsov posted...

Resolution posted...

Marle in Chrono Trigger

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I'm sure there's some poopy character on large-cast games like Suikoden or Chrono Cross, but I submit Jean the fat frog from BoF2. Low stats across the board. Gets a good final form via shaman fusion at 90% game completion, but Holy+Water shaman are reserved for better characters like.... literally anyone else.

Yea, I had a playthrough and decided to do replace Katt with Jean this play-through (Along with replacing Nina with Spar). And yikes. Even in shaman form, he barely becomes tolerable.

With that said, as a person who plays Breath of Fire, I'm sure you'll agree that Mogu from Breath of fire 1 is probably the more useless character, even over Jean. At least Jean can get a fusion, y'know? Mogu has pretty much nothing outside of being to Dig in the overworld map (which is the key to Karn's most OP shaman fusion).
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The worst character I used, if FE counts, are the worthless characters like Mathias in shadow dragon. Such characters actively hurt your chances of survival if you use them, making them objectively terrible. People picking bad characters ITT need to understand it isn't just underwhelming performance, but their character offering as a whole gameplay wise. If they actively inhibit your chances of survival in gameplay, and make it harder, then they're trash tier characters.

Abyssion posted...

Don'tCHA know who definitely sucks?

Korcha isn't just bad in fights I couldn't stand his actual character either (in a game with barely any characterization to begin with). CC was a trainwreck.

Nightmare_Luna posted...

Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV

Really? Because I recently played through the PSP version and Edge was consistently doing damage on par with and often times surpassing Kain and Cecil and that was without using throw.

Edward and Fusoya in FF4 are both terrible. At least Tellah IS useful when you first get him. There is nothing good about Fusoya. Nothing.

Kimahri in FFX.

Josette in Trails in the Sky SC and The 3rd. Filler party member that does shit damage no matter what setup you give her.

Aerith.

Also Spider from Mega Man X Command Mission. If you've played the game you'll know why.
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ModLogic posted...

rikku from ffx

Close your account.
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Grindcorp9000 posted...

Also Spider from Mega Man X Command Mission. If you've played the game you'll know why.

I'll concede that his action trigger is useless outside the battle with Jango, but the fact that his weapons have no weight penalty, with one card suit even having speed boosts, means that he's usually got a better speed than most everyone outside hyper mode Marino. Since you don't need his trigger anyway, you can equip him with some low cost sub weapons. the card suits that boots his attack at 75% energy, & he becomes a great utility since he'll get a lot more turns for not needing his trigger. Also, he shares the same hyper mode as Axl, & Joker can be useful for the stat boosts if you don't mind the randomness of his effects.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Umaro, Gogo, Gau, Strago

Gau? The boy that can get Catscatch almost immediately and do 8 times damage against every enemy in the game? ROFL.
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ShroomKingJr posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

Umaro, Gogo, Gau, Strago

Gau? The boy that can get Catscatch almost immediately and do 8 times damage against every enemy in the game? ROFL.

And Mu's insta-kill. You can grind in the Veldt to get him all the goodies, but you'd do fine to just pick up these right after he joins you, and never visit the Veldt again, because those Rages are useful for the whole game.
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Grindcorp9000 posted...

Aerith.

AoE heals were finite use in that game, so the character with an AoE healing limit break out of the gate who also happened to have the highest magical stat is amazing. Making her a staple to the party due to mechanics is intentional because $spoilers$

If $spoilers$ happened to Barrett instead no one would have cared about $spoilers$.

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And, yeah, mogu was poop outside of his overworld command. There's just no room when the party is fusion karn, ryu, nina, and bleu.
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philsov posted...

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Aerith.

AoE heals were finite use in that game, so the character with an AoE healing limit break out of the gate who also happened to have the highest magical stat is amazing. Making her a staple to the party due to mechanics is intentional because $spoilers$

If $spoilers$ happened to Barrett instead no one would have cared about $spoilers$.

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And, yeah, mogu was poop outside of his overworld command. There's just no room when the party is fusion karn, ryu, nina, and bleu.

Yes there is.

Agni

ayy lmao
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Abyssion posted...

Why are people naming Yuffie? Just because you don't like her, it doesn't make her useless.

Jogurt is obviously the best one named. But yeah, Chrono Cross and Suikoden are filled with outright bad characters that serve little to no purpose other than roster size.

Don'tCHA know who definitely sucks?

She's no where near the most useless JRPG party member. She's definitely tied with Vincent as most useless in FF7 though.
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darkbuster posted...

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Also Spider from Mega Man X Command Mission. If you've played the game you'll know why.

I'll concede that his action trigger is useless outside the battle with Jango, but the fact that his weapons have no weight penalty, with one card suit even having speed boosts, means that he's usually got a better speed than most everyone outside hyper mode Marino. Since you don't need his trigger anyway, you can equip him with some low cost sub weapons. the card suits that boots his attack at 75% energy, & he becomes a great utility since he'll get a lot more turns for not needing his trigger. Also, he shares the same hyper mode as Axl, & Joker can be useful for the stat boosts if you don't mind the randomness of his effects.

Good points.

I actually lean towards Cinnamon as the worst character in that game. She provides additional healing, but her poor offense and defense throughout the game requires you to use more healing, so she's a wash. Kind of the White Mage Paradox from FF1.
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Irony posted...

Abyssion posted...

Why are people naming Yuffie? Just because you don't like her, it doesn't make her useless.

Jogurt is obviously the best one named. But yeah, Chrono Cross and Suikoden are filled with outright bad characters that serve little to no purpose other than roster size.

Don'tCHA know who definitely sucks?

She's no where near the most useless JRPG party member. She's definitely tied with Vincent as most useless in FF7 though.

Not really. Vincent, Cait Sith, and Red XIII are all less useful than she is.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

Irony posted...

Abyssion posted...

Why are people naming Yuffie? Just because you don't like her, it doesn't make her useless.

Jogurt is obviously the best one named. But yeah, Chrono Cross and Suikoden are filled with outright bad characters that serve little to no purpose other than roster size.

Don'tCHA know who definitely sucks?

She's no where near the most useless JRPG party member. She's definitely tied with Vincent as most useless in FF7 though.

Not really. Vincent, Cait Sith, and Red XIII are all less useful than she is.

If you manipulate slots Cait Sith's LB is literally a more consistent Zanmato.
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Irony posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

Irony posted...

Abyssion posted...

Why are people naming Yuffie? Just because you don't like her, it doesn't make her useless.

Jogurt is obviously the best one named. But yeah, Chrono Cross and Suikoden are filled with outright bad characters that serve little to no purpose other than roster size.

Don'tCHA know who definitely sucks?

She's no where near the most useless JRPG party member. She's definitely tied with Vincent as most useless in FF7 though.

Not really. Vincent, Cait Sith, and Red XIII are all less useful than she is.

If you manipulate slots Cait Sith's LB is literally a more consistent Zanmato.

That's great.

For random encounters.

Red XIII is alright. He has better magic than the better half of the cast, but is otherwise the same as everyone else where those limits are concerned.
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Yuffie is the second fastest character, has the best weapon, can hang in the back row, and has the fourth strongest limit break in the game.

If you want to get through the game quickly, she's great. If you want to talk about maximum potential, she's great, too.
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Kirby posted...

Cait Sith - FF7

The only character that can one hit kill Ruby Weapon though ;)
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Musourenka posted...

Yuffie is the second fastest character, has the best weapon, can hang in the back row, and has the fourth strongest limit break in the game.

If you want to get through the game quickly, she's great. If you want to talk about maximum potential, she's great, too.

Also conformer is glitched and makes Yuffie the best at using Morph.
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philsov posted...

Musourenka posted...

Yuffie is the second fastest character, has the best weapon, can hang in the back row, and has the fourth strongest limit break in the game.

If you want to get through the game quickly, she's great. If you want to talk about maximum potential, she's great, too.

Also conformer is glitched and makes Yuffie the best at using Morph.

FFVII conforms to Yuffie.
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I disagree about Kimahri because his place on the sphere grid makes him the most versatile character. He can fill any roll in the party without too much hassle. His biggest problem is anything he can do others can do better. So yeah he's useless but not because he's bad, it's because he's redundant.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

KainWind posted...

Harley from FFIV: TAY is pretty useless

She was supposed to be a Blue Mage and then I guess they couldn't make it work so they just deleted the skill but left her stats the same. That's why she's got a huge MP pool and nothing to spend it on (except bands)

I didn't know that. I guess that explains why she can change elemental resistances too. I basically used every character but her postgame.

Musourenka posted...

darkbuster posted...

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Also Spider from Mega Man X Command Mission. If you've played the game you'll know why.

I'll concede that his action trigger is useless outside the battle with Jango, but the fact that his weapons have no weight penalty, with one card suit even having speed boosts, means that he's usually got a better speed than most everyone outside hyper mode Marino. Since you don't need his trigger anyway, you can equip him with some low cost sub weapons. the card suits that boots his attack at 75% energy, & he becomes a great utility since he'll get a lot more turns for not needing his trigger. Also, he shares the same hyper mode as Axl, & Joker can be useful for the stat boosts if you don't mind the randomness of his effects.

Good points.

I actually lean towards Cinnamon as the worst character in that game. She provides additional healing, but her poor offense and defense throughout the game requires you to use more healing, so she's a wash. Kind of the White Mage Paradox from FF1.

I don't even remember what Spider did since I never used him since my second playthrough. I actually liked Cinnamon and would have used her more if we had room for a 4th character.
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Gonna go with Gau, for a technicality.

To start, he's actually super useful and amazing, but getting him his rages (Outside of gaming the formation / reset system) is pretty much luck based. He has a few that are really good, and experienced players know how to make Gau break the game, hard.

The problem, is that FF6 is so comically easy that Gau is entirely unnecessary, and more of a chore for the sake of completionism than anything. You can faceroll the entire game with any party. Now, I'm not going to go into LLG / NMG or any of that shit here, just normal play.
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1/3 the cast of FF6.

Umaro
Setzer
Cyan
Terra
Shadow

Useless in 2nd half:
Locke
Mog
Edgar

Surprised at all the blue mages being listed. They can be the MVPs

I love using Gau, and I know nothing about gaming the system or what to use on certain enemies. I just pick something at random and prey it doesn't heal the enemy LOL
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WaffIeElite posted...

Gonna go with Gau, for a technicality.

To start, he's actually super useful and amazing, but getting him his rages (Outside of gaming the formation / reset system) is pretty much luck based. He has a few that are really good, and experienced players know how to make Gau break the game, hard.

The problem, is that FF6 is so comically easy that Gau is entirely unnecessary, and more of a chore for the sake of completionism than anything. You can faceroll the entire game with any party. Now, I'm not going to go into LLG / NMG or any of that shit here, just normal play.

Gau is good even just casually.

characters like Setzer take more effort to be strong party members than Gau.
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ModLogic posted...

rikku from ffx

lol no

but FFX shouldn't count. The sphere grid could give any character another character's skill/abilities
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Naysaspace posted...

1/3 the cast of FF6.

Umaro
Setzer
Cyan
Terra
Shadow

Useless in 2nd half:
Locke
Mog
Edgar

Surprised at all the blue mages being listed. They can be the MVPs

Have you actually played VI? lol
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bover_87 posted...

Naysaspace posted...

1/3 the cast of FF6.

Umaro
Setzer (Fixed dice mess)
Cyan
Terra
Shadow

Useless in 2nd half:
Locke
Mog
Edgar

Surprised at all the blue mages being listed. They can be the MVPs

Have you actually played VI? lol

EXPOSED!


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bover_87 posted...

Naysaspace posted...

1/3 the cast of FF6.

Umaro
Setzer
Cyan
Terra
Shadow

Useless in 2nd half:
Locke
Mog
Edgar

Surprised at all the blue mages being listed. They can be the MVPs

Have you actually played VI? lol

Shadow and Locke are literally always useless. wat @ Terra though