Board 8 > How good would Zapdos have been competitively gen 1 if Golem didn't exist.

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SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 8:03:54 PM #1:	(And Rhydon) Would he have been #1? Even over Tauros? Like who would even be a Check for him? The only non water ice types are Articuno and Jynx. One not any good, the other has a weakness to Zapdos.... Look at all the most used Pokmon.... Starmie, weak to electric Exeggutor weak to drill peck Alakazam horrible defense to Drill Peck. Chansey (same) Slowbro weak to Electric Lapras weak to electric Cloyster weak to electric Electrode horrid defense to drill peck. So only Tauros, Snorlax, Articuno, Persian, and Gengar can even potentially check him. And I'd say Zapdos is the solid favorite over most of that in a straight up one on one. <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891108541] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>(And Rhydon) Would he have been #1? Even over Tauros? Like who would even be a Check for him? The only non water ice types are Articuno and Jynx. One not any good, the other has a weakness to Zapdos.... Look at all the most used Pokmon.... Starmie, weak to electric Exeggutor weak to drill peck Alakazam horrible defense to Drill Peck. Chansey (same) Slowbro weak to Electric Lapras weak to electric Cloyster weak to electric Electrode horrid defense to drill peck. So only Tauros, Snorlax, Articuno, Persian, and Gengar can even potentially check him. And I'd say Zapdos is the solid favorite over most of that in a straight up one on one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 11/26/17 8:06:01 PM #2:	Zap-DOS --- http://i.imgur.com/LhGP5E6.gif https://card.psnprofiles.com/2/CaptainRockman.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:891108642] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>Zap-DOS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 11/26/17 8:16:32 PM #3:	Tauros and zam are faster and should be able to 2 hit kill --- Grats to BKSheikah, a guru ahead of his time. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif <cite>Xuxon posted [p:891109155] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>Tauros and zam are faster and should be able to 2 hit kill</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 8:24:24 PM #4:	Xuxon posted... Tauros and zam are faster and should be able to 2 hit kill Can Zam survive a Stab drill peck with its putrid defense if it doesn't have a barrier up? And Tauros 2 hits with Body Slam, or 2 hits with one body slam and one Hyper Beam? Or Rock Slide maybe? <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891109568] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Xuxon posted...</cite> <quote>Tauros and zam are faster and should be able to 2 hit kill</quote> Can Zam survive a Stab drill peck with its putrid defense if it doesn't have a barrier up? And Tauros 2 hits with Body Slam, or 2 hits with one body slam and one Hyper Beam? Or Rock Slide maybe?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FBike1 11/26/17 8:31:39 PM #5:	Half of gen 1 was lolbroken anyway. --- No one reads signatures. <cite>FBike1 posted [p:891109957] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>Half of gen 1 was lolbroken anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 8:33:13 PM #6:	FBike1 posted... Half of gen 1 was lolbroken anyway. I don't know how that answers my question though. :( <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891110039] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>FBike1 posted...</cite> <quote>Half of gen 1 was lolbroken anyway.</quote> I don't know how that answers my question though. :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 11/26/17 8:33:35 PM #7:	SSJBGenkiDama posted... Xuxon posted... Tauros and zam are faster and should be able to 2 hit kill Can Zam survive a Stab drill peck with its putrid defense if it doesn't have a barrier up? And Tauros 2 hits with Body Slam, or 2 hits with one body slam and one Hyper Beam? Or Rock Slide maybe? https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:891110064] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xuxon posted...</cite> <quote>Tauros and zam are faster and should be able to 2 hit kill</quote> Can Zam survive a Stab drill peck with its putrid defense if it doesn't have a barrier up? And Tauros 2 hits with Body Slam, or 2 hits with one body slam and one Hyper Beam? Or Rock Slide maybe?</quote> https://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shonen_Bat 11/26/17 8:43:52 PM #8:	you're overestimating zapdos offense a lot, he's not mewtwo. drill peck doesn't even 2 hit alakazam without barrier. --- boring placeholder signature <cite>Shonen_Bat posted [p:891110599] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>you're overestimating zapdos offense a lot, he's not mewtwo. drill peck doesn't even 2 hit alakazam without barrier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Surskit 11/26/17 9:02:56 PM #9:	How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters? --- .-#Elements of Water#-. <cite>Surskit posted [p:891111600] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 11/26/17 9:05:13 PM #10:	How good would Poliwag be if the opponent didn't have any moves but Tail Whip --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:891111711] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>How good would Poliwag be if the opponent didn't have any moves but Tail Whip</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 9:24:37 PM #11:	Surskit posted... How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters? There aren't many Pokmon that you can take one specific typing (ground/rock) out of a generation and have someone all of a sudden reak havoc on everything... <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891112794] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Surskit posted...</cite> <quote>How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters?</quote> There aren't many Pokmon that you can take one specific typing (ground/rock) out of a generation and have someone all of a sudden reak havoc on everything...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 11/26/17 9:26:27 PM #12:	Did electric not resist flying type moves in gen 1? <cite>swordz9 posted [p:891112895] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>Did electric not resist flying type moves in gen 1?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 11/26/17 9:28:48 PM #13:	SSJBGenkiDama posted... Surskit posted... How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters? There aren't many Pokmon that you can take one specific typing (ground/rock) out of a generation and have someone all of a sudden reak havoc on everything... I dunno. Dragon was so good they had to make a brand new type immune to it. If you took Steel out of the generations before Fairy there probably isn't much that could stop them either. <cite>swordz9 posted [p:891113031] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Surskit posted...</cite> <quote>How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters?</quote> There aren't many Pokmon that you can take one specific typing (ground/rock) out of a generation and have someone all of a sudden reak havoc on everything...</quote> I dunno. Dragon was so good they had to make a brand new type immune to it. If you took Steel out of the generations before Fairy there probably isn't much that could stop them either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 11/26/17 9:29:51 PM #14:	swordz9 posted... Did electric not resist flying type moves in gen 1? Don't think so --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:891113087] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>swordz9 posted...</cite> <quote>Did electric not resist flying type moves in gen 1?</quote> Don't think so</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 9:32:06 PM #15:	swordz9 posted... Did electric not resist flying type moves in gen 1? No. I don't think it did gen 2 either. <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891113214] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>swordz9 posted...</cite> <quote>Did electric not resist flying type moves in gen 1?</quote> No. I don't think it did gen 2 either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 11/26/17 9:35:48 PM #16:	I'm gonna say it did in gen 2 though. Gen 2 fixed the type charts until fairy I thought? --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:891113399] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna say it did in gen 2 though. Gen 2 fixed the type charts until fairy I thought?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 9:37:41 PM #17:	swordz9 posted... SSJBGenkiDama posted... Surskit posted... How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters? There aren't many Pokmon that you can take one specific typing (ground/rock) out of a generation and have someone all of a sudden reak havoc on everything... I dunno. Dragon was so good they had to make a brand new type immune to it. If you took Steel out of the generations before Fairy there probably isn't much that could stop them either. It wasn't that Dragon was so good it destroyed everything else in the meta (and still didn't have any direct checks) it was Nintendo didn't want to have another generation of Weather Wars/Outrage.... and nothing could safely switch into an Outrage after DD. <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891113502] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>swordz9 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Surskit posted...</cite> <quote>How good would (Pokemon) be if it had no counters?</quote> There aren't many Pokmon that you can take one specific typing (ground/rock) out of a generation and have someone all of a sudden reak havoc on everything...</quote> I dunno. Dragon was so good they had to make a brand new type immune to it. If you took Steel out of the generations before Fairy there probably isn't much that could stop them either.</quote> It wasn't that Dragon was so good it destroyed everything else in the meta (and still didn't have any direct checks) it was Nintendo didn't want to have another generation of Weather Wars/Outrage.... and nothing could safely switch into an Outrage after DD.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 9:40:39 PM #18:	pjbasis posted... I'm gonna say it did in gen 2 though. Gen 2 fixed the type charts until fairy I thought? I thought I remembered hitting Electrode with Drill Peck and it doing neutral in Stadium 2 <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891113656] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>pjbasis posted...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna say it did in gen 2 though. Gen 2 fixed the type charts until fairy I thought?</quote> I thought I remembered hitting Electrode with Drill Peck and it doing neutral in Stadium 2</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 11/26/17 9:48:19 PM #19:	I looked it up and Bulbapedia confirms --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:891114085] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>I looked it up and Bulbapedia confirms</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/26/17 9:51:58 PM #20:	pjbasis posted... I looked it up and Bulbapedia confirms THx <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:891114275] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote><cite>pjbasis posted...</cite> <quote>I looked it up and Bulbapedia confirms</quote> THx</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 11/26/17 10:23:35 PM #21:	Yeah I was pretty sure flying did 1/2 to electric in GSC. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:891115945] in How good w... [t:76034160]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I was pretty sure flying did 1/2 to electric in GSC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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