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KazumaKiryu
11/27/17 9:13:51 AM
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Here's an excerpt from Rifftrax's Cyber Monday email:

And if you're up for maxing out your hard drive with riffs, we're giving away a FREE CYBER BONUS PACK for any purchase of $15 or more (after discounts). Included are a $3 digital gift card, an exclusive video of Mike, Kevin and Bill riffing holiday photos from last year's Holiday Special Double Feature, "Nick Nolte Holiday Greetings,"


Holiday this, Holiday that, not a single instance of saying Christmas! This is what is so annoying.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:16:37 AM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
Here's an excerpt from Rifftrax's Cyber Monday email:

And if you're up for maxing out your hard drive with riffs, we're giving away a FREE CYBER BONUS PACK for any purchase of $15 or more (after discounts). Included are a $3 digital gift card, an exclusive video of Mike, Kevin and Bill riffing holiday photos from last year's Holiday Special Double Feature, "Nick Nolte Holiday Greetings,"


Holiday this, Holiday that, not a single instance of saying Christmas! This is what is so annoying.


Happy Hanunkah, Diwali, Eid Mubarak and Kwanzaa, though. Just don't say Christmas you intolerant man! *triggering intensifies*
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DevsBro
11/27/17 9:17:02 AM
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A $3 gift card.

You should at least give out a $5 gift card in celebration of holiday day.
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Flasbangs
11/27/17 9:17:11 AM
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It's to avoid offending the heathens. It's really important apparently.
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Dragon56
11/27/17 9:17:36 AM
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its november
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KillerKhan420
11/27/17 9:18:37 AM
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It's got the word Christ in it, therefore in these sodomite times it's offensive.
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yoshirulezz1
11/27/17 9:18:41 AM
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The real problem is the $3 gift card
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NewerMernardi
11/27/17 9:20:42 AM
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Who cares if someone says Happy Holidays. I couldn't give less of a fuck if I tried
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Gafemage
11/27/17 9:21:41 AM
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"Happy Holidays" is easily one of the dumbest things reactionaries get mad about imho.
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DevsBro
11/27/17 9:25:21 AM
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yoshirulezz1 posted...
The real problem is the $3 gift card

The best part is I literally don't think that will buy you anything--or even half of anything--from Rifftrax.

A $3 gift card is already insulting but this is like giving someone a $100 gift card to a Benz dealership.
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eston
11/27/17 9:26:28 AM
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KazumaKiryu
11/27/17 9:27:43 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


I get that that's the idea, but it's false. They aren't excluding anybody. They're trying to get sales from people interested in Christmas shit. Using a generic word for it doesn't change things.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:32:56 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:33:54 AM
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Spooking posted...
Thankfully, I live in a community where saying Merry Christmas is the norm. People who don't say it usually get bullied out of town before too long.


quick reminder - this is the guy who defends the alt right. His 'get bullied out of town' comment basically means he lives in a sundown town.
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A_Good_Boy
11/27/17 9:35:05 AM
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SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.

And they never do, yet TC still whines over nothing.

"laws profound majesty, rich and the poor, sleeping under bridges, yadda yadda"
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Zodd3224
11/27/17 9:35:24 AM
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You sound just as pathetic as the people who get triggered over Merry Christmas.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:37:25 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.


I don't follow what you're saying.


The narrative that a business says 'happy holidays' so it doesn't exclude or alienate potential customers does not hold up if such a business only uses such a term in Christmas, but then it actually celebrates other holidays by their actual name.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:38:09 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.

And they never do, yet TC still whines over nothing.

"laws profound majesty, rich and the poor, sleeping under bridges, yadda yadda"


I've seen it happen.
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KazumaKiryu
11/27/17 9:40:24 AM
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Imagine if in October the stores had Holiday Costumes and Holiday Candy. Why are they excluding people by calling it Halloween??
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IfGodCouldDie
11/27/17 9:44:07 AM
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I used to care about this kind of shit then I matured.
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IfGodCouldDie
11/27/17 9:45:09 AM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
Imagine if in October the stores had Holiday Costumes and Holiday Candy. Why are they excluding people by calling it Halloween??

Name another celebration you dress in costumes and give out candy for around the same time.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:46:24 AM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
Imagine if in October the stores had Holiday Costumes and Holiday Candy. Why are they excluding people by calling it Halloween??

Name another celebration you dress in costumes and give out candy for around the same time.


Dia de Muertos.
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l Dudeboy l
11/27/17 9:47:39 AM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
Imagine if in October the stores had Holiday Costumes and Holiday Candy. Why are they excluding people by calling it Halloween??


Which religion does Halloween belong too?
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The Great Muta 22
11/27/17 9:50:08 AM
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SamuelHayden posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.

And they never do, yet TC still whines over nothing.

"laws profound majesty, rich and the poor, sleeping under bridges, yadda yadda"


I've seen it happen.


You're lying
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:50:24 AM
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l Dudeboy l posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
Imagine if in October the stores had Holiday Costumes and Holiday Candy. Why are they excluding people by calling it Halloween??


Which religion does Halloween belong too?


European Holiday, it celebrates 'All Hallows Evening".

the eve of the Western Christian feast of All Hallows' Day. It begins the three-day observance of Allhallowtide, the time in the liturgical year dedicated to remembering the dead, including saints (hallows), martyrs, and all the faithful departed.

It is widely believed that many Halloween traditions originated from ancient Celtic harvest festivals, particularly the Gaelic festival Samhain; that such festivals may have had pagan roots; and that Samhain itself was Christianized as Halloween by the early Church.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 9:55:29 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.

And they never do, yet TC still whines over nothing.

"laws profound majesty, rich and the poor, sleeping under bridges, yadda yadda"


I've seen it happen.


You're lying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_yi3me_UrQ


REKT
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 10:17:31 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.


I don't follow what you're saying.


The narrative that a business says 'happy holidays' so it doesn't exclude or alienate potential customers does not hold up if such a business only uses such a term in Christmas, but then it actually celebrates other holidays by their actual name.


I don't see how other holidays are comparable? The early winter season has a bunch of different holidays which is why Happy Holidays works because it covers them all.

There aren't 5 different Spring holidays that are celebrated in the U.S., for example. Not to mention, most retail stores would simply emphasize on Spring, not Easter.


Which are these 5 holidays? Only Hanukah comes to mind.
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YookaLaylee
11/27/17 10:19:15 AM
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SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.


I don't follow what you're saying.


The narrative that a business says 'happy holidays' so it doesn't exclude or alienate potential customers does not hold up if such a business only uses such a term in Christmas, but then it actually celebrates other holidays by their actual name.


I don't see how other holidays are comparable? The early winter season has a bunch of different holidays which is why Happy Holidays works because it covers them all.

There aren't 5 different Spring holidays that are celebrated in the U.S., for example. Not to mention, most retail stores would simply emphasize on Spring, not Easter.


Which are these 5 holidays? Only Hanukah comes to mind.

Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza. Yeah, I can only think of three
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Antifar
11/27/17 10:21:35 AM
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All holidays matter.
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Intro2Logic
11/27/17 10:23:18 AM
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The same people who praise the free market get pissed when the market realizes minority groups buy things too.
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prince_leo
11/27/17 10:23:20 AM
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I don't think I could care less about the whole "war on christmas"
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 10:25:09 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.


I don't follow what you're saying.


The narrative that a business says 'happy holidays' so it doesn't exclude or alienate potential customers does not hold up if such a business only uses such a term in Christmas, but then it actually celebrates other holidays by their actual name.


I don't see how other holidays are comparable? The early winter season has a bunch of different holidays which is why Happy Holidays works because it covers them all.

There aren't 5 different Spring holidays that are celebrated in the U.S., for example. Not to mention, most retail stores would simply emphasize on Spring, not Easter.


Which are these 5 holidays? Only Hanukah comes to mind.

Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza. Yeah, I can only think of three


Yeah. And how many times are snowflakes, Christmas trees... errrr, 'holiday trees', gifts (usually under one of those holiday trees) and Santa Claus associated with Hanukkah or Kwanzaa?

Kwanzaa itself is more of a celebration of African American culture too, it's not a holiday such as Kanukkah, Diwali, Eid or Christmas.
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YookaLaylee
11/27/17 10:25:35 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
It's pretty normal for a business to want to not exclude potential customers, so saying Happy Holidays provides that inclusion.


to a point. Censoring Christmas for Happy Holidays is fine if the same person or business is not going to say happy diwali/hanukah/eid too.


I don't follow what you're saying.


The narrative that a business says 'happy holidays' so it doesn't exclude or alienate potential customers does not hold up if such a business only uses such a term in Christmas, but then it actually celebrates other holidays by their actual name.


I don't see how other holidays are comparable? The early winter season has a bunch of different holidays which is why Happy Holidays works because it covers them all.

There aren't 5 different Spring holidays that are celebrated in the U.S., for example. Not to mention, most retail stores would simply emphasize on Spring, not Easter.


Which are these 5 holidays? Only Hanukah comes to mind.


Chanukah, Christmas, Kwanzaa, Dongzhi, and non-religious "holiday break" are 5 instances of groups of people celebrating something during that same time each winter.

Holiday break isn't a holiday. Also, it's called winter break. I never heard of Dongzhi before, so that's interesting
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 10:29:19 AM
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Yeah I don't get why Christmas must be called 'holiday' and not 'Christmas' not to offend anti-Christmas people, while other holidays don't get the same treatment.

Literally nobody will see a 'holiday tree' with 'holiday gifts' under it and a 'holiday man'' dressed in red with a white beard and think 'look! That could be Dongzhi'! or 'I feel alienated because this holiday tree says Merry Christmas, I thought it was a Kwanzaa tree'.

Silly shit like this just gives people like 45 excuses to find new boogeymen.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 10:33:33 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Yeah I don't get why Christmas must be called 'holiday' and not 'Christmas' not to offend anti-Christmas people, while other holidays don't get the same treatment.

Literally nobody will see a 'holiday tree' with 'holiday gifts' under it and a 'holiday man'' dressed in red with a white beard and think 'look! That could be Dongzhi'! or 'I feel alienated because this holiday tree says Merry Christmas, I thought it was a Kwanzaa tree'.

Silly shit like this just gives people like 45 excuses to find new boogeymen.


You're assuming that businesses think it's offensive to use the word Christmas. Businesses have a goal in mind: Make Money.

With that goal in mind, being inclusive instead of exclusive makes them more money. It isn't anymore complicated than that.


So let's be inclusive, if they sell Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Donghi stuff, call it 'Holiday' stuff too. Why is Christmas the only one that must no be named, as if it were 'Happy Voldemort'?
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Antifar
11/27/17 10:35:52 AM
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SamuelHayden posted...
So let's be inclusive, if they sell Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Donghi stuff, call it 'Holiday' stuff too. Why is Christmas the only one that must no be named, as if it were 'Happy Voldemort'?


...I don't think the situation exists the way you are portraying it. No one is out there passing off Christmas trees as holiday trees, or Santa as anything other than an emblem of Christmas.
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SamuelHayden
11/27/17 10:37:17 AM
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Antifar posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
So let's be inclusive, if they sell Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Donghi stuff, call it 'Holiday' stuff too. Why is Christmas the only one that must no be named, as if it were 'Happy Voldemort'?


...I don't think the situation exists the way you are portraying it. No one is out there passing off Christmas trees as holiday trees, or Santa as anything other than an emblem of Christmas.


And that is my point. Why go through the charade pretending we're using 'Happy Holiday' because it maintains somebody's illusion that those might as well be Donghzi trees and therefore it's inclusive and generates money?
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Zodd3224
11/27/17 10:52:50 AM
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Antifar posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
So let's be inclusive, if they sell Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Donghi stuff, call it 'Holiday' stuff too. Why is Christmas the only one that must no be named, as if it were 'Happy Voldemort'?


...I don't think the situation exists the way you are portraying it. No one is out there passing off Christmas trees as holiday trees, or Santa as anything other than an emblem of Christmas.


What world does SamuelHayden live in that stores say "Happy Kwanza" but say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?
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KazumaKiryu
11/27/17 11:27:30 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
I don't think you have the right idea about what's really happening and I'm not sure what to tell you.Happy Holidays is inclusive and is an easy way to encompass it all.

Businesses aren't avoiding the word Christmas for offensive reasons, it's about money.


Yet Walmart is the one big company that still says Christmas, and they have no problem getting business from all types...
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Zodd3224
11/27/17 11:29:53 AM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
I don't think you have the right idea about what's really happening and I'm not sure what to tell you.Happy Holidays is inclusive and is an easy way to encompass it all.

Businesses aren't avoiding the word Christmas for offensive reasons, it's about money.


Yet Walmart is the one big company that still says Christmas, and they have no problem getting business from all types...


"All types"

Have you seen Walmart's customers? Of course Merry Christmas is a smart move for them.
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