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So I see it a lot. Every time a movie comes out marvel or DC, people complain about the villain.

The biggest offenders are:

Iron Man 2 / 3
Avengers 2
Thor 2
Batman v Superman
Suicide Squad
Justice League
Captain America: Civil War

With the biggest complaint often being that villains have no clearly defined motivation / too one dimensional.

With that said, how do you feel studios should make "better villains"?

To pick on DC for a moment, do you think there should be a New Gods movie that effectively just introduces Darkseid / Anti-Life and the war between Apokolips and New Genesis so that when Darkseid eventually shows up people understand his motivation and what he's trying to do?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

So I see it a lot. Every time a movie comes out marvel or DC, people complain about the villain.

The biggest offenders are:

Iron Man 2 / 3
Avengers 2
Thor 2
Batman v Superman
Suicide Squad
Justice League
Captain America: Civil War

With the biggest complaint often being that villains have no clearly defined motivation / too one dimensional.

With that said, how do you feel studios should make "better villains"?

To pick on DC for a moment, do you think there should be a New Gods movie that effectively just introduces Darkseid / Anti-Life and the war between Apokolips and New Genesis so that when Darkseid eventually shows up people understand his motivation and what he's trying to do?

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Zemo was a great villain. People just complained about his plan.

And I think Marvel stepped up in the villain department. All 3 MCU movies this year had excellent villains.

That said, even a lackluster villain isn't enough to detract from a movie (imo) as long as the rest of the movie is brilliant (ie: Guardians of the Galaxy 1).

NewerMernardi posted...

Zemo was a great villain. People just complained about his plan.

And I think Marvel stepped up in the villain department. All 3 MCU movies this year had excellent villains.

That said, even a lackluster villain isn't enough to detract from a movie (imo) as long as the rest of the movie is brilliant (ie: Guardians of the Galaxy 1).

Vulture is probably the best villain in a movie since Magneto.
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You make a good villain by making him an actual threat and not a joke (Ultron) or stupid and weak (Malekith/Steppenwolf) or some random spiritual entity that can't squash 5 average humans (Suicide Squad).

Civil War's main villain was Stark. Not Zemo. and I don't even consider Doomsday a villain...he's just a mindless lackey.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Zemo's motivations were a total mystery until just before the very end of the movie.

I don't even remember exactly why anyway.
In any movie (or really any other medium) where heroes fight heroes, the villain is largely irrelevant and only there to provide thin justification for the heroes fighting each-other.