Current Events > Did you use buffs in turn based rpgs

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Of course. There's always some party member that isn't capable of pulling their weight physically/magically. They're the buff bots making sure the damage dealers have hastes/steroids and shields.
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no buffs for trash, only buffs for bosses.
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Fenrimis posted...

no buffs for trash, only buffs for hard bosses.

Fixed.
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i play a lot of SMT games so yes
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only in SMT
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Depends on the effective caps for stats.

A game where by level 80 you'll hit the damage cap every turn? Useless if it's turn based.

A game like ffxv? Even towards level 99 you'll still see some good boosts from food and that's in the current versions where you can't stack two meals.
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Yeah, of course.

In SMT games, you always want to use some -kaja buffs and -unda debuffs for bosses. They make a big difference.

In Baldur's Gate, buff spells are pretty essential for the stronger enemies. Bless, Chant, Haste or Improved Haste, Draw Upon Holy Might, Greater Whirlwind, etc.

Even in Final Fantasy, it's good to use Haste, Protect, Shell, etc.
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gunplagirl posted...

Depends on the effective caps for stats.

A game where by level 80 you'll hit the damage cap every turn? Useless if it's turn based.

A game like ffxv? Even towards level 99 you'll still see some good boosts from food and that's in the current versions where you can't stack two meals.

I'm talking turn based.

There's no punishment for using buffs in FFXV
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there's no punishment for anything in ff15 lol. you can hold triangle and heal occasional and beat the game
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metralo posted...

there's no punishment for anything in ff15 lol. you can hold triangle and heal occasional and beat the game

There's that one dungeon.

But it's easily beaten with that lasagna

But even a game like DS3, there's no punishment for using a buff as long as youre careful. I'm turn based, you're guaranteed to get hit at least once unless you use haste I guess
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It depends on the game.

depends on the buff

in FF7 I abused the fuck out of Big Guard
in persona I always used buffs and debuffs against strong enemies and bosses. I was playing on hard mode though so it was pretty much a requirement

other games like FFX, nah. Unless it was a Rikku mix or something
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Rika_Furude posted...

depends on the buff

in FF7 I abused the fuck out of Big Guard
in persona I always used buffs and debuffs against strong enemies and bosses. I was playing on hard mode though so it was pretty much a requirement

other games like FFX, nah. Unless it was a Rikku mix or something

In FFX, I'd say Haste was always worth a cast.
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metralo posted...

there's no punishment for anything in ff15 lol. you can hold triangle and heal occasional and beat the game

Are people still spewing this bull? This idiot didn't even say the right button. Triangle would most likely have you warp to a spot and do nothing if you held it...but you'd of had to play it to know that
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

metralo posted...

there's no punishment for anything in ff15 lol. you can hold triangle and heal occasional and beat the game

Are people still spewing this bull? This idiot didn't even say the right button

I mean he isn't wrong.

As long as you have a Phoenix down you can never die.

And let's face it, the only effective way to fight a group of Tonberries is to hold square
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Landing the Regalia is the hardest thing in FFXV
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GODTIER posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

metralo posted...

there's no punishment for anything in ff15 lol. you can hold triangle and heal occasional and beat the game

Are people still spewing this bull? This idiot didn't even say the right button

I mean he isn't wrong.

As long as you have a Phoenix down you can never die.

And let's face it, the only effective way to fight a group of Tonberries is to hold square

You also never played the game. They kill you in one or 2 hits within seconds everytime you revive if you do that. I have 130 hours on my file. You guys are full of shit. Show me the vid. It would exist if this was true.

Edit: maybe you played the game and just hate cause its fun to fit in
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lol no, i'm not a nub that needs buffs to win. Git gud casuals.
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Esrac posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

depends on the buff

in FF7 I abused the fuck out of Big Guard
in persona I always used buffs and debuffs against strong enemies and bosses. I was playing on hard mode though so it was pretty much a requirement

other games like FFX, nah. Unless it was a Rikku mix or something

In FFX, I'd say Haste was always worth a cast.

actually yeah wtf am i talking about

hastega, protectega and shellga were great, even regen and reflect at time
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You also never played the game. They kill you in one or 2 hits within seconds everytime you revive if you do that. I have 130 hours on my file. You guys are full of shit. Show me the vid. It would exist if this was true

If you hold square, you will counter every one of their attacks without taking damage
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Only speed ones like Haste and Quick
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yes
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GODTIER posted...

You also never played the game. They kill you in one or 2 hits within seconds everytime you revive if you do that. I have 130 hours on my file. You guys are full of shit. Show me the vid. It would exist if this was true

If you hold square, you will counter every one of their attacks without taking damage

Holding squares automatically makes you counter huh?

Im going to bed though. Let me know when you find that video of holding one button to win.
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Holding squares automatically makes you counter huh?

Yes. Unless they patched it or something
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

GODTIER posted...

You also never played the game. They kill you in one or 2 hits within seconds everytime you revive if you do that. I have 130 hours on my file. You guys are full of shit. Show me the vid. It would exist if this was true

If you hold square, you will counter every one of their attacks without taking damage

Holding squares automatically makes you counter huh?

Im going to bed though. Let me know when you find that video of holding one button to win.

This isn't the first time i've heard this tbh.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

metralo posted...

there's no punishment for anything in ff15 lol. you can hold triangle and heal occasional and beat the game

Are people still spewing this bull? This idiot didn't even say the right button. Triangle would most likely have you warp to a spot and do nothing if you held it...but you'd of had to play it to know that

oh is it square or something? idk the game was so forgettable that I forgot. my most disappointing game ever next to MGS5 tbh. and I literally did nothing but what i said. it didnt help that healing/revive was so incredibly cheap.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

GODTIER posted...

You also never played the game. They kill you in one or 2 hits within seconds everytime you revive if you do that. I have 130 hours on my file. You guys are full of shit. Show me the vid. It would exist if this was true

If you hold square, you will counter every one of their attacks without taking damage

Holding squares automatically makes you counter huh?

Im going to bed though. Let me know when you find that video of holding one button to win.

This isn't the first time i've heard this tbh.

because its true. there are some people who adamantly defend FF15, which is fine. its not a bad game I dont think. its beautiful and has cool dungeons. i just didnt like it for many reasons. i can see why people would.

im also sorta biased since I'm a turn based guy. gimmie a ffx battle system any day. I replay ffx like twice a year.
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GODTIER posted...

Holding squares automatically makes you counter huh?

Yes. Unless they patched it or something

You'll dodge moves holding square, have to press square when it says to so you can parry then have to press circle to attack. And you can get hit during the counter.

Part of why I waited until the past month to start ffxv, so they could patch a lot of the broken things in the game.
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I liked FFXV a lot for some reason.

I didn't hold square for most fights, only groups of Tonberries because the fight would be long and annoying and no fun otherwise.

The only thing that kept it interesting for me was trying new combos while also being untouchable.

Once you get that one perk that lets you heal immediately after being hit by pressing square, you basically become an unbeatable God and that was a lot of fun for me.

But once it got old, it got old, and I'll probably never play it again.
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Only for difficult bosses. Some games you don't even need to use buffs at all.

depends on the game
some games are so easy its not worth it to use buffs like super mario rpg where geno's buff spell is as broken as peach's healing skills

in others they can be necessary
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Baldur's Gate or especially Icewind Dale they're essential. You're not using magic properly in that game if you're not using it to buff your party and debuff your enemies
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You spec one of your team for pure DPS, they'll need those protection buffs if you want them to spank the boss.
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In FF II buffs are very essential unless you wanna grind forever and ever.
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Ah, no video. Ok then.
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Obviously it's situational, and not just for bosses or hard bosses.

For example, in FFX if you get caught unprepared by a great malboro that thing is going to fuck you up without any buffs at all.
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Neither.

I use them but they're generally not essential.
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Not always on basic enemies, but definitely for bosses.

However, as others have mentioned buffs are essential in BG/IWD as even generic fights can go south quickly.
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Swords dance
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I really love Quick in Final Fantasy Tactics

Time Mage
Draw Out
Speed Save
Quick Charge
Teleport

Depending on the map you can either just Teleport into a Mob and AoE everything you can. You can stay back and get a Haste on yourself. You can Move -> Quick -> Move Again -> and kill the Boss of the level, a bigger threat, or to get away from something.

Of course you can have better Reactions like Blade Grasp, but I like the Speedy AoE Of Death build.
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no aside from Big Guard and Debilitate and Luster Candy
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Protect, Shell, Haste, Bravery, and Faith are important to me! So yes!
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not in pokemon.

but everything else, yes.
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Musourenka posted...

However, as others have mentioned buffs are essential in BG/IWD as even generic fights can go south quickly.

Part of it is because BG doesn't really have that many generic fights other than hobgoblins and bandits, most encounters are their own thing, and anything involving a enemy mage is already on a different level, without considering the rest of their friends. BGII is full of enemies that require tactics tailored just to fighting them (Mind Flayers, Beholders, Dragons, vampires, etc.) Protective spells, particularly against nasty status effects are vital because getting half your party confused or held means you're about to reload from your last save. You also need spells to drop the enemy mage's protections around them so you can kill them quickly before they can screw you.

IWD, on the other hand, just throws a shitload of enemies at you, most of them are nothing special on their own. AoE debuffs rule in that game, the Prayer-Recitation-Slow combo is my go-to from the moment I can cast those spells because mediocre enemies that take a -7 penalty to everything get hacked to pieces in seconds without doing much harm to you, especially if you Haste your party first so they can run circles around them.
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I never understood why they put debuff spells in FF.

You don't need any help against grunts and they fail pretty much 100% of the time against bosses. It almost feels like they wanted enemies to be able to use them and didn't want the player to feel gypped.
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In FF7 I'd always go Manipulate the Beachplugs near Costa del Sol immediately after your first trip to the Gold Saucer for Big Guard. That shit went up and stayed up for every boss battle for the rest of the game. Haste, Barrier, and M.Barrier on the whole party in one cast? Yes please.

Other than that, always Haste/Hastega for bosses in other games. I only ever use Protect/Shell individually if I'm using a weaker party member against a boss that likes to throw haymakers around.
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In most games I've played buffs generally aren't as useful early game but start becoming essential late game and outright mandatory if there are bonus bosses
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Only in Skies of Arcadia.

SHIELD OF JUSTICE
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Depends on the game.
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