Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 152: Stop splitting the timeline.

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Inviso 12/01/17 12:24:22 AM #151:	Jakyl25 posted... Inviso posted... Shaduln posted... Inviso posted... Okay, I'm slightly confused as to what second degree murder actually IS. Like, first degree is premeditated. Third degree is like crime of passion sort of stuff (I think.) But I'm not sure what second degree is. A quick wiki search says 2nd degree is still intentional but not premeditated, but the difference is like third degree is if you found out your wife was cheating on you with your neighbor so you killed your neighbor during a dinner you had with them, while 2nd degree would be you killed your neighbor during the same dinner just because you got into a fight. It's the "crime of passion" thing that makes it 3rd degree. That...doesn't make it any clearer to me. Its the intent to kill thats the difference 2nd is an intentional murder that happened in the moment 3rd is things went too far and I killed him without thought Okay, that makes sense. First degree is "I had a fight with my neighbor. I'm making a plan to kill my neighbor based on this fight.", second degree is "I'm having a fight with my neighbor and I pull out a gun and shoot him", and third degree is "I'm having a fight with my neighbor and I get so angry I hit him hard enough to kill him." Kinda...the difference between second and third seems fuzzy. Regardless, if both first and second degree murder were what the prosecution was pushing HARD on, then I can totally understand the jury's decision. The SECOND it was revealed that the bullet was a ricochet, the charge SHOULD have been negligent homicide or manslaughter. By pushing for a clearly trumped up charge, it paints the prosecution in a bad light, like they're trying to railroad the defendant, which colors the jury's perception of the more accurate charges. I'm not saying the jury was right, but goddamn the prosecution seems like they fucked up. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891374765] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Shaduln posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, I'm slightly confused as to what second degree murder actually IS. Like, first degree is premeditated. Third degree is like crime of passion sort of stuff (I think.) But I'm not sure what second degree is.</quote> A quick wiki search says 2nd degree is still intentional but not premeditated, but the difference is like third degree is if you found out your wife was cheating on you with your neighbor so you killed your neighbor during a dinner you had with them, while 2nd degree would be you killed your neighbor during the same dinner just because you got into a fight. It's the "crime of passion" thing that makes it 3rd degree.</quote> That...doesn't make it any clearer to me.</quote> Its the intent to kill thats the difference 2nd is an intentional murder that happened in the moment 3rd is things went too far and I killed him without thought</quote> Okay, that makes sense. First degree is "I had a fight with my neighbor. I'm making a plan to kill my neighbor based on this fight.", second degree is "I'm having a fight with my neighbor and I pull out a gun and shoot him", and third degree is "I'm having a fight with my neighbor and I get so angry I hit him hard enough to kill him." Kinda...the difference between second and third seems fuzzy. Regardless, if both first and second degree murder were what the prosecution was pushing HARD on, then I can totally understand the jury's decision. The SECOND it was revealed that the bullet was a ricochet, the charge SHOULD have been negligent homicide or manslaughter. By pushing for a clearly trumped up charge, it paints the prosecution in a bad light, like they're trying to railroad the defendant, which colors the jury's perception of the more accurate charges. I'm not saying the jury was right, but goddamn the prosecution seems like they fucked up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 12/01/17 12:26:05 AM #152:	"The prosecutor referred to Steinle as a "vibrant life" taken too soon but otherwise did not dwell on the victim in a closing argument that lasted about an hour. Instead, she painted a picture of a man who hid a firearm in his baggy clothes, went to a pier filled with tourists and whirled about on a stool for more than 20 minutes before shooting it at Steinle's back. "He knew exactly what he was doing," Garcia said." I'm going to assume this is why it happened, by the way. Why the hell would you have closing arguments like this, since they'd be the thing that'd echo most vibrantly --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:891374848] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><quote>"The prosecutor referred to Steinle as a "vibrant life" taken too soon but otherwise did not dwell on the victim in a closing argument that lasted about an hour. Instead, she painted a picture of a man who hid a firearm in his baggy clothes, went to a pier filled with tourists and whirled about on a stool for more than 20 minutes before shooting it at Steinle's back. "He knew exactly what he was doing," Garcia said."</quote> I'm going to assume this is why it happened, by the way. Why the hell would you have closing arguments like this, since they'd be the thing that'd echo most vibrantly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBKK20Vegito 12/01/17 12:26:45 AM #153:	StealThisSheen posted... MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record. I don't think he is being immature, I just believe he and ExTha are very very passionate about this horrible situation and flying off the handle currently about it. I don't fault them for it either. Someone died needlessly here and there were easy steps to prevent it, and on top of it she won't even get justice.... I am just trying to be level headed as I can given the situation and even bring a bit of levity to a horrible time. (hence my shark joke and Air Jordan example). --- FFDragon posted: mwc was right all along <cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted [p:891374879] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record.</quote> I don't think he is being immature, I just believe he and ExTha are very very passionate about this horrible situation and flying off the handle currently about it. I don't fault them for it either. Someone died needlessly here and there were easy steps to prevent it, and on top of it she won't even get justice.... I am just trying to be level headed as I can given the situation and even bring a bit of levity to a horrible time. (hence my shark joke and Air Jordan example).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 12/01/17 12:28:38 AM #154:	Like, when there's evidence that the bullet ricocheted off the ground, the guy couldn't have possibly actually aimed at Steinle unless he's one of the greatest trick shots in the world, so to barely even mention the victim in closing arguments and then paint as silly of a picture as "He spun around on a stool for 20 minutes and then shot directly at her, intending to kill her?" Yeah, the jury should have still convicted on involuntary, but holy crap talk about poisoning the water, there. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:891374931] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Like, when there's evidence that the bullet ricocheted off the ground, the guy couldn't have possibly actually aimed at Steinle unless he's one of the greatest trick shots in the world, so to barely even mention the victim in closing arguments and then paint as silly of a picture as "He spun around on a stool for 20 minutes and then shot directly at her, intending to kill her?" Yeah, the jury should have still convicted on involuntary, but holy crap talk about poisoning the water, there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:28:47 AM #155:	Hypothetically what happens if hes convicted? Its kind of ironic to me that now he gets deported but if he went to prison we would be spending money to keep him here --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891374940] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Hypothetically what happens if hes convicted? Its kind of ironic to me that now he gets deported but if he went to prison we would be spending money to keep him here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 12/01/17 12:29:01 AM #156:	I'm not passionate about it really. I mean it sucks, the same way I think it sucks that the dude who killed Castille got away with what he did. I'm mostly pointing out the reality of the situation to try and show the liberals how this is gonna work against them. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:891374950] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>I'm not passionate about it really. I mean it sucks, the same way I think it sucks that the dude who killed Castille got away with what he did. I'm mostly pointing out the reality of the situation to try and show the liberals how this is gonna work against them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 12/01/17 12:29:06 AM #157:	SSJBKK20Vegito posted... StealThisSheen posted... MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record. I don't think he is being immature, I just believe he and ExTha are very very passionate about this horrible situation and flying off the handle currently about it. I don't fault them for it either. Someone died needlessly here and there were easy steps to prevent it, and on top of it she won't even get justice.... I am just trying to be level headed as I can given the situation and even bring a bit of levity to a horrible time. (hence my shark joke and Air Jordan example). Ulti literally turns everything into "Fuck you, liberals." That's very immature. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:891374953] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record.</quote> I don't think he is being immature, I just believe he and ExTha are very very passionate about this horrible situation and flying off the handle currently about it. I don't fault them for it either. Someone died needlessly here and there were easy steps to prevent it, and on top of it she won't even get justice.... I am just trying to be level headed as I can given the situation and even bring a bit of levity to a horrible time. (hence my shark joke and Air Jordan example).</quote> Ulti literally turns everything into "Fuck you, liberals." That's very immature.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/01/17 12:29:26 AM #158:	How many black people got killed by cops and yet it never mobilized anyone to affect real political change? Yet somehow this ruling is gonna somehow single handily guarantee Republican victory for years? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:891374965] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>How many black people got killed by cops and yet it never mobilized anyone to affect real political change? Yet somehow this ruling is gonna somehow single handily guarantee Republican victory for years?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 12/01/17 12:30:28 AM #160:	StealThisSheen posted... "The prosecutor referred to Steinle as a "vibrant life" taken too soon but otherwise did not dwell on the victim in a closing argument that lasted about an hour. Instead, she painted a picture of a man who hid a firearm in his baggy clothes, went to a pier filled with tourists and whirled about on a stool for more than 20 minutes before shooting it at Steinle's back. "He knew exactly what he was doing," Garcia said." I'm going to assume this is why it happened, by the way. Why the hell would you have closing arguments like this, since they'd be the thing that'd echo most vibrantly I dunno why everyone is ignoring my posts about it, but yeah, this lines up perfectly with what I said. The prosecutor hammered on the point that it was fully intentional, and when the jury decided they didnt buy that, the remaining evidence didnt make the case beyond a reasonable doubt for the lesser charge. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:891375025] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><quote>"The prosecutor referred to Steinle as a "vibrant life" taken too soon but otherwise did not dwell on the victim in a closing argument that lasted about an hour. Instead, she painted a picture of a man who hid a firearm in his baggy clothes, went to a pier filled with tourists and whirled about on a stool for more than 20 minutes before shooting it at Steinle's back. "He knew exactly what he was doing," Garcia said."</quote> I'm going to assume this is why it happened, by the way. Why the hell would you have closing arguments like this, since they'd be the thing that'd echo most vibrantly</quote> I dunno why everyone is ignoring my posts about it, but yeah, this lines up perfectly with what I said. The prosecutor hammered on the point that it was fully intentional, and when the jury decided they didnt buy that, the remaining evidence didnt make the case beyond a reasonable doubt for the lesser charge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:31:27 AM #161:	TheRock1525 posted... How many black people got killed by cops and yet it never mobilized anyone to affect real political change? Yet somehow this ruling is gonna somehow single handily guarantee Republican victory for years? To be fair, I read it as his attempt at realism, not justification Hes saying that conservatives are looking for any excuses to demonize an entire class of people and now they have one --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891375068] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>How many black people got killed by cops and yet it never mobilized anyone to affect real political change? Yet somehow this ruling is gonna somehow single handily guarantee Republican victory for years?</quote> To be fair, I read it as his attempt at realism, not justification Hes saying that conservatives are looking for any excuses to demonize an entire class of people and now they have one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/01/17 12:31:38 AM #162:	ExThaNemesis posted... show the liberals how this is gonna work against them. The one talking point vs the million the Republicans are giving them right now? Because if this is the best they've got to counter electing child molesters, raising taxes on middle class families, and trying to take health care away from millions, its not gonna match up real well for them. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:891375076] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>ExThaNemesis posted...</cite> <quote>show the liberals how this is gonna work against them.</quote> The one talking point vs the million the Republicans are giving them right now? Because if this is the best they've got to counter electing child molesters, raising taxes on middle class families, and trying to take health care away from millions, its not gonna match up real well for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/01/17 12:32:08 AM #163:	SSJBKK20Vegito posted... StealThisSheen posted... MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record. I don't think he is being immature, I just believe he and ExTha are very very passionate about this horrible situation and flying off the handle currently about it. I don't fault them for it either. Someone died needlessly here and there were easy steps to prevent it, and on top of it she won't even get justice.... I am just trying to be level headed as I can given the situation and even bring a bit of levity to a horrible time. (hence my shark joke and Air Jordan example). I know you mean "well if he wasn't here as an illegal immigrant, she wouldn't have been shot by him", but the fact is that you could also say "if we had stricter gun laws nationwide, then a non-citizen who has no second amendment rights wouldn't have been able to easily obtain a firearm and shoot her". --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891375104] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record.</quote> I don't think he is being immature, I just believe he and ExTha are very very passionate about this horrible situation and flying off the handle currently about it. I don't fault them for it either. Someone died needlessly here and there were easy steps to prevent it, and on top of it she won't even get justice.... I am just trying to be level headed as I can given the situation and even bring a bit of levity to a horrible time. (hence my shark joke and Air Jordan example).</quote> I know you mean "well if he wasn't here as an illegal immigrant, she wouldn't have been shot by him", but the fact is that you could also say "if we had stricter gun laws nationwide, then a non-citizen who has no second amendment rights wouldn't have been able to easily obtain a firearm and shoot her".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/01/17 12:32:22 AM #164:	Jakyl25 posted... Hes saying that conservatives are looking for any excuses to demonize an entire class of people and now they have one They already do. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:891375113] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Hes saying that conservatives are looking for any excuses to demonize an entire class of people and now they have one</quote> They already do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 12/01/17 12:32:24 AM #165:	StealThisSheen posted... MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record. MWC has been doing a face turn in these topics for like the last five or six topics at the very least, imo. (Although to comment on his post commenting on this post, I don't think it is fair to lump ExTha and Ulti together either because they didn't have nearly the same level of response.) --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:891375114] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record.</quote> MWC has been doing a face turn in these topics for like the last five or six topics at the very least, imo. (Although to comment on his post commenting on this post, I don't think it is fair to lump ExTha and Ulti together either because they didn't have nearly the same level of response.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:33:27 AM #166:	UltimaterializerX posted... Its going to start being called Kates Wall. Oh no, Trumps not letting anyone else steal THAT credit --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891375167] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaterializerX posted...</cite> <quote> Its going to start being called Kates Wall.</quote> Oh no, Trumps not letting anyone else steal THAT credit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:36:00 AM #168:	UltimaterializerX posted... Liberals failing at a 1.000 rate. THERES the classic Ulti metaphor botcher we know and love! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891375258] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaterializerX posted...</cite> <quote> Liberals failing at a 1.000 rate. </quote> THERES the classic Ulti metaphor botcher we know and love!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 12/01/17 12:37:00 AM #169:	SSJBKK20Vegito posted... Right... that's why it's not murder. That's also EXACTLY why it's negligent homicide.... He wasn't trying to kill her, but his bad decisions are the direct cause of it. I'm not disagreeing, but negligent homicide seems to often go overlooked. I mean how often do you hear of a toddler getting a hold of a gun, and shooting themselves? It's negligent to leave a gun laying around with toddlers in the house (especially loaded).but often parents won't be charged. Or when someone mistakes a person for a deer (because I know when I see my neighbors down the street, I think "What's that deer doing over there?") Or when someone shoots their own kid while cleaning their gun. Or heck when a drunk driver plows into 4 people and kills them (The Ethan Couch case still boils my blood) I'm not sure exactly why, but it might have to do with how the prosecution presented the case. Or any other number of factors. State laws, etc... It's hard to say without all the facts of the case to be honest, and without knowing what the prosecution presented. I think a lot of people want to look at this case as "He's an illegal immigrant!" But that's not really the right way to go about it. Him being legal or illegal isn't really pertinent. Either way, he should be charged with negligent homicide. I mean if he was just a homeless man who had committed the same other crimes in the past, it wouldn't really make his actions any better. --- Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool." <cite>Ashethan posted [p:891375307] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted...</cite> <quote>Right... that's why it's not murder. That's also EXACTLY why it's negligent homicide.... He wasn't trying to kill her, but his bad decisions are the direct cause of it.</quote> I'm not disagreeing, but negligent homicide seems to often go overlooked. I mean how often do you hear of a toddler getting a hold of a gun, and shooting themselves? It's negligent to leave a gun laying around with toddlers in the house (especially loaded).but often parents won't be charged. Or when someone mistakes a person for a deer (because I know when I see my neighbors down the street, I think "What's that deer doing over there?") Or when someone shoots their own kid while cleaning their gun. Or heck when a drunk driver plows into 4 people and kills them (The Ethan Couch case still boils my blood) I'm not sure exactly why, but it might have to do with how the prosecution presented the case. Or any other number of factors. State laws, etc... It's hard to say without all the facts of the case to be honest, and without knowing what the prosecution presented. I think a lot of people want to look at this case as "He's an illegal immigrant!" But that's not really the right way to go about it. Him being legal or illegal isn't really pertinent. Either way, he should be charged with negligent homicide. I mean if he was just a homeless man who had committed the same other crimes in the past, it wouldn't really make his actions any better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 12/01/17 12:37:25 AM #170:	Remember when people were calling it crass that people wanted to put up a monument of heather heyer. lol --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:891375329] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Remember when people were calling it crass that people wanted to put up a monument of heather heyer. lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/01/17 12:38:43 AM #171:	Meaning in California, you can get deported 5 times, get a gun illegally, shoot someone 3 times, and get away with it. Thats the precedent set today. Its going to be a full generation before democrats live that one down, and anyone dumb enough to defend this only proves my every point. Its going to start being called Kates Wall. in California you can also be a natural born citizen, kill your exwife , lead the police on a chase in a white bronco and get away with it maybe getting away with murder and number of times a person has been deported aren't connected maybe California is just bad at jurying --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:891375392] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><quote>Meaning in California, you can get deported 5 times, get a gun illegally, shoot someone 3 times, and get away with it. Thats the precedent set today. Its going to be a full generation before democrats live that one down, and anyone dumb enough to defend this only proves my every point. Its going to start being called Kates Wall.</quote> in California you can also be a natural born citizen, kill your exwife , lead the police on a chase in a white bronco and get away with it maybe getting away with murder and number of times a person has been deported aren't connected maybe California is just bad at jurying</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:39:47 AM #172:	Eddv posted... Remember when people were calling it crass that people wanted to put up a monument of heather heyer. lol Really? I missed that one! I mean I know what the Stormfronters were saying about her but if that was a more common sentiment then damn --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891375430] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Remember when people were calling it crass that people wanted to put up a monument of heather heyer. lol</quote> Really? I missed that one! I mean I know what the Stormfronters were saying about her but if that was a more common sentiment then damn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/01/17 12:42:28 AM #173:	Jakyl25 posted... Eddv posted... Remember when people were calling it crass that people wanted to put up a monument of heather heyer. lol Really? I missed that one! I mean I know what the Stormfronters were saying about her but if that was a more common sentiment then damn I would sort of be on their side, or at least if I were the one who died I wouldn't want a monument of myself built. If I was Kate Steinle I also wouldn't want the wall named after me. The ghost version of me would hate how much the way I died was overshadowing my actual life. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:891375545] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Remember when people were calling it crass that people wanted to put up a monument of heather heyer. lol</quote> Really? I missed that one! I mean I know what the Stormfronters were saying about her but if that was a more common sentiment then damn</quote> I would sort of be on their side, or at least if I were the one who died I wouldn't want a monument of myself built. If I was Kate Steinle I also wouldn't want the wall named after me. The ghost version of me would hate how much the way I died was overshadowing my actual life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 12/01/17 12:43:11 AM #174:	Suprak the Stud posted... StealThisSheen posted... MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record. MWC has been doing a face turn in these topics for like the last five or six topics at the very least, imo. (Although to comment on his post commenting on this post, I don't think it is fair to lump ExTha and Ulti together either because they didn't have nearly the same level of response.) Extha has also been in a face turn lately, honestly it's been kinda great. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:891375578] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I want to congratulate you on being a hundred times more mature than Ulti, for the record.</quote> MWC has been doing a face turn in these topics for like the last five or six topics at the very least, imo. (Although to comment on his post commenting on this post, I don't think it is fair to lump ExTha and Ulti together either because they didn't have nearly the same level of response.)</quote> Extha has also been in a face turn lately, honestly it's been kinda great.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/01/17 12:43:39 AM #175:	TheRock1525 posted... How many black people got killed by cops and yet it never mobilized anyone to affect real political change? Yet somehow this ruling is gonna somehow single handily guarantee Republican victory for years? As much as conservatives love to say liberals are elitist assholes who look down on all conservatives, when Ulti and ExTha make posts like the ones they're making (about this being a crushing blow for liberals) in response to an event like this...it always comes across as condescending towards their own voters. "Nuance won't matter, they'll just see that a Mexican got away with murdering a white woman and that issue will piss them off enough to vote Republican in droves, as though they have no other issues that they consider important." And the sad thing is that I don't even disagree. It's just that I think it's a BAD thing to have one political party so easily manipulated, while conservatives seem PROUD of this trait, and how it gives them an advantage over Democrats. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891375602] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>How many black people got killed by cops and yet it never mobilized anyone to affect real political change? Yet somehow this ruling is gonna somehow single handily guarantee Republican victory for years?</quote> As much as conservatives love to say liberals are elitist assholes who look down on all conservatives, when Ulti and ExTha make posts like the ones they're making (about this being a crushing blow for liberals) in response to an event like this...it always comes across as condescending towards their own voters. "Nuance won't matter, they'll just see that a Mexican got away with murdering a white woman and that issue will piss them off enough to vote Republican in droves, as though they have no other issues that they consider important." And the sad thing is that I don't even disagree. It's just that I think it's a BAD thing to have one political party so easily manipulated, while conservatives seem PROUD of this trait, and how it gives them an advantage over Democrats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/01/17 12:44:23 AM #176:	Addendum: I would hate it if I died in a total random way like that. If I sort of intentionally died by like... jumping into a volcano with an anti-volcano device to save the world, then I would definitely want a monument. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:891375634] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Addendum: I would hate it if I died in a total random way like that. If I sort of intentionally died by like... jumping into a volcano with an anti-volcano device to save the world, then I would definitely want a monument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:44:27 AM #177:	https://twitter.com/sinow/status/936291522470989825 Another injustice! GG Dems --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891375636] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/sinow/status/936291522470989825 Another injustice! GG Dems</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/01/17 12:44:50 AM #178:	UltimaterializerX posted... Meaning in California, you can get deported 5 times, get a gun illegally, shoot someone 3 times, and get away with it. Thats the precedent set today. Its going to be a full generation before democrats live that one down, Um, everything Ive read said only one round was fired. Where the fuck are you getting that he not only shot, but hit her 3 times? --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:891375654] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaterializerX posted...</cite> <quote>Meaning in California, you can get deported 5 times, get a gun illegally, shoot someone 3 times, and get away with it. Thats the precedent set today. Its going to be a full generation before democrats live that one down,</quote> Um, everything Ive read said only one round was fired. Where the fuck are you getting that he not only shot, but hit her 3 times?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:46:51 AM #179:	I think hes speaking from personal experience --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891375737] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>I think hes speaking from personal experience</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 12/01/17 12:48:22 AM #180:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... UltimaterializerX posted... Meaning in California, you can get deported 5 times, get a gun illegally, shoot someone 3 times, and get away with it. Thats the precedent set today. Its going to be a full generation before democrats live that one down, Um, everything Ive read said only one round was fired. Where the fuck are you getting that he not only shot, but hit her 3 times? is this going to be one of those things where the liberal police lied about how many times she was shot to make it look less bad but a super trusworthy source was actually there and told Inforwars that the guy actually shot her three times while saying "I hate white people and walls!" --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:891375797] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UltimaterializerX posted...</cite> <quote>Meaning in California, you can get deported 5 times, get a gun illegally, shoot someone 3 times, and get away with it. Thats the precedent set today. Its going to be a full generation before democrats live that one down,</quote> Um, everything Ive read said only one round was fired. Where the fuck are you getting that he not only shot, but hit her 3 times?</quote> is this going to be one of those things where the liberal police lied about how many times she was shot to make it look less bad but a super trusworthy source was actually there and told Inforwars that the guy actually shot her three times while saying "I hate white people and walls!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/01/17 12:49:59 AM #181:	I have no earthly idea why you're still addressing Ulti. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:891375865] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>I have no earthly idea why you're still addressing Ulti.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/01/17 12:50:25 AM #182:	MoogleKupo141 posted... is this going to be one of those things where the liberal police lied about how many times she was shot to make it look less bad but a super trusworthy source was actually there and told Inforwars that the guy actually shot her three times while saying "I hate white people and walls!" IN SPANISH --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:891375878] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote> is this going to be one of those things where the liberal police lied about how many times she was shot to make it look less bad but a super trusworthy source was actually there and told Inforwars that the guy actually shot her three times while saying "I hate white people and walls!"</quote> IN SPANISH</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBKK20Vegito 12/01/17 1:01:13 AM #183:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/sinow/status/936291522470989825 Another injustice! GG Dems That's a fun story.... it's also not remeotely what happened.... he didn't leave because of his beliefs. He turned down a contract because he thought he deserved more money (admittedly his right, there wasn't anything inherently wrong here), but being that he can't read a defense he also apparently can't read how little interest there was going to be for more money... And yes, he says he'll come back now and stand for the anthem (which should kill any chance he had at this award...) and play for a whole lot less money. But the problem is in Leaving the way he did he made himself THE story of the league, and no team or coach wants to deal with the distraction that being on the team will cause, not for someone mediocre at best. Yes, he is awful, but there are (probbaly) worse QBs in the league. I won't deny that. The difference is they won't cause a hassle for their team. He would. --- FFDragon posted: mwc was right all along <cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted [p:891376278] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/sinow/status/936291522470989825 Another injustice! GG Dems</quote> That's a fun story.... it's also not remeotely what happened.... he didn't leave because of his beliefs. He turned down a contract because he thought he deserved more money (admittedly his right, there wasn't anything inherently wrong here), but being that he can't read a defense he also apparently can't read how little interest there was going to be for more money... And yes, he says he'll come back now and stand for the anthem (which should kill any chance he had at this award...) and play for a whole lot less money. But the problem is in Leaving the way he did he made himself THE story of the league, and no team or coach wants to deal with the distraction that being on the team will cause, not for someone mediocre at best. Yes, he is awful, but there are (probbaly) worse QBs in the league. I won't deny that. The difference is they won't cause a hassle for their team. He would.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 12/01/17 1:01:41 AM #184:	Why did I choose to be the timeline uniter Drak, this is all your fault --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:891376295] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Why did I choose to be the timeline uniter Drak, this is all your fault</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBKK20Vegito 12/01/17 1:04:03 AM #185:	trdl23 posted... Why did I choose to be the timeline uniter Drak, this is all your fault There are currently 9 timelines I believe.... Lol --- FFDragon posted: mwc was right all along <cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted [p:891376371] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Why did I choose to be the timeline uniter Drak, this is all your fault</quote> There are currently 9 timelines I believe.... Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 12/01/17 1:06:55 AM #186:	Oh. I thought Corrik's topic closed, that's why we were using this one. Then I scroll down and see like, FOUR politics containment topics in the "More Topics" list. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:891376473] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Oh. I thought Corrik's topic closed, that's why we were using this one. Then I scroll down and see like, FOUR politics containment topics in the "More Topics" list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 12/01/17 1:09:01 AM #187:	Inviso posted... Oh. I thought Corrik's topic closed, that's why we were using this one. Then I scroll down and see like, FOUR politics containment topics in the "More Topics" list. It was far enough along that I wasn't going to wait and see more timelines diverge. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:891376548] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Oh. I thought Corrik's topic closed, that's why we were using this one. Then I scroll down and see like, FOUR politics containment topics in the "More Topics" list.</quote> It was far enough along that I wasn't going to wait and see more timelines diverge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/01/17 1:11:57 AM #188:	trdl23 posted... It was far enough along that I wasn't going to wait and see more timelines diverge. "A topic denied of all existence because of a change in the poster... A topic that was destroyed even before it was posted rests here... condensed into the Dead Sea." --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:891376654] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>It was far enough along that I wasn't going to wait and see more timelines diverge.</quote> "A topic denied of all existence because of a change in the poster... A topic that was destroyed even before it was posted rests here... condensed into the Dead Sea."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBKK20Vegito 12/01/17 1:13:50 AM #189:	There are currently 8 Politics containment topics open, and 2 closed at 500 --- FFDragon posted: mwc was right all along <cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted [p:891376717] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>There are currently 8 Politics containment topics open, and 2 closed at 500</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/01/17 9:27:48 AM #190:	Flynn charged with lying to the FBI --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:891389222] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Flynn charged with lying to the FBI</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket_pub 12/01/17 9:29:13 AM #191:	Reg posted... Flynn charged with lying to the FBI That's it? So he must have made a deal, right? --- Blasting off <cite>redrocket_pub posted [p:891389279] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>Flynn charged with lying to the FBI</quote> That's it? So he must have made a deal, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/01/17 9:30:50 AM #192:	redrocket_pub posted... Reg posted... Flynn charged with lying to the FBI That's it? So he must have made a deal, right? The NBC broadcast I'm watching right now seems to believe this, yes. And I see no reason to doubt it. He's apparently going to plea guilty, as well. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:891389352] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>redrocket_pub posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>Flynn charged with lying to the FBI</quote> That's it? So he must have made a deal, right?</quote> The NBC broadcast I'm watching right now seems to believe this, yes. And I see no reason to doubt it. He's apparently going to plea guilty, as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/01/17 9:35:55 AM #193:	Given how his lawyers stopped sharing info with trump's just a few weeks ago... seems likely. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:891389543] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Given how his lawyers stopped sharing info with trump's just a few weeks ago... seems likely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 12/01/17 9:37:56 AM #194:	I've got 3+ hours of driving ahead of me and then I'll be hanging out with guys I only get to see a couple times a year all weekend but damn if I'm not interested in seeing what else drops over the next 24-48h --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:891389615] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>I've got 3+ hours of driving ahead of me and then I'll be hanging out with guys I only get to see a couple times a year all weekend but damn if I'm not interested in seeing what else drops over the next 24-48h</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 12/01/17 10:25:31 AM #195:	BREAKING FROM SPECIAL COUNSEL: The court has scheduled a plea hearing for Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn (Ret.), 58, of Alexandria, Va., at 10:30 a.m. (https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/936598442171871234) So expect more news to come out shortly. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:891391493] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><quote>BREAKING FROM SPECIAL COUNSEL: The court has scheduled a plea hearing for Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn (Ret.), 58, of Alexandria, Va., at 10:30 a.m.</quote> (https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/936598442171871234) So expect more news to come out shortly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 12/01/17 10:34:32 AM #196:	Jakyl25 posted... MWC, I know these two things might be one and the same to you, but have you considered that the jury was not maliciously anti-Trump, but just stupid? You said youve been on jury duty. Ive served on a trial too. People are dumb. yeah, regardless of whether or not the right call was made, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing is that the jury system is fucking stupid. dumb people with 0 background in law should not be involved in lawsuits. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:891391888] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I know these two things might be one and the same to you, but have you considered that the jury was not maliciously anti-Trump, but just stupid? You said youve been on jury duty. Ive served on a trial too. People are dumb.</quote> yeah, regardless of whether or not the right call was made, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing is that the jury system is fucking stupid. dumb people with 0 background in law should not be involved in lawsuits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 12/01/17 10:36:55 AM #197:	Cornyn is saying they have 50 votes for the tax bill. I think he always says that though (pretty sure he said the same for the ACA repeal), so who knows. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:891392002] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote>Cornyn is saying they have 50 votes for the tax bill. I think he always says that though (pretty sure he said the same for the ACA repeal), so who knows.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBKK20Vegito 12/01/17 10:39:29 AM #198:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Jakyl25 posted... MWC, I know these two things might be one and the same to you, but have you considered that the jury was not maliciously anti-Trump, but just stupid? You said youve been on jury duty. Ive served on a trial too. People are dumb. yeah, regardless of whether or not the right call was made, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing is that the jury system is fucking stupid. dumb people with 0 background in law should not be involved in lawsuits. I mean... what is the alternative? --- FFDragon posted: mwc was right all along <cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted [p:891392108] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I know these two things might be one and the same to you, but have you considered that the jury was not maliciously anti-Trump, but just stupid? You said youve been on jury duty. Ive served on a trial too. People are dumb.</quote> yeah, regardless of whether or not the right call was made, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing is that the jury system is fucking stupid. dumb people with 0 background in law should not be involved in lawsuits.</quote> I mean... what is the alternative?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 12/01/17 10:40:41 AM #199:	SSJBKK20Vegito posted... I mean... what is the alternative? ...a judicicial system without a jury? plenty of countries have one. i live in such a country, in fact. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:891392156] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBKK20Vegito posted...</cite> <quote>I mean... what is the alternative?</quote> ...a judicicial system without a jury? plenty of countries have one. i live in such a country, in fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 12/01/17 10:43:22 AM #200:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Jakyl25 posted... MWC, I know these two things might be one and the same to you, but have you considered that the jury was not maliciously anti-Trump, but just stupid? You said youve been on jury duty. Ive served on a trial too. People are dumb. yeah, regardless of whether or not the right call was made, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing is that the jury system is fucking stupid. dumb people with 0 background in law should not be involved in lawsuits. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:891392285] in Politics C... [t:76047295]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>MWC, I know these two things might be one and the same to you, but have you considered that the jury was not maliciously anti-Trump, but just stupid? You said youve been on jury duty. Ive served on a trial too. People are dumb.</quote> yeah, regardless of whether or not the right call was made, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing is that the jury system is fucking stupid. dumb people with 0 background in law should not be involved in lawsuits.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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