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people seem to think they are completely different robots?
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"Think" and "Are" are two different words. X is a different robot.
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Because they are. X is a wholly different design, built from the ground up to be a fully artificial human.
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They factually are.
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TC still stuck hating Capcom lmao. Dude, jump on the EA hate like the rest of the world you jackass.
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MaverickXeo posted...

X is a different robot.

wrong

Zero is a different robot. megaman x is still a megaman.
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Mega Man isn't Mega Man X

Mega Man is Mega Man
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He isnt Megaman upgraded, hes megaman xd

Mega Man aka Rockman was created by a different person and was a working robot that was later retrofitted to be a fighting robot.

X was built from the ground up to be a fighting robot.

X is an entirely different robot.
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Fun fact: the creators of Mega Man and X both had the same enemy (Dr. Willy). He created zero, which was rumored to kill Mega Man

I thought Dr Light created both Mega Man and X
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SamuelHayden posted...

Fun fact: the creators of Mega Man and X both had the same enemy (Dr. Willy). He created zero, which was rumored to kill Mega Man

Then zero went dormant (wtf?). He woke up in the future, in X's timeline. He kicked every reploid's ass until he fought Good Guy Sigma. Then he malfunctioned (he was beating Sigma until then).

Zero became good after that and Sigma became bad.

What makes you think this, TC?

SamuelHayden posted...

Fun fact: the creators of Mega Man and X both had the same enemy (Dr. Willy). He created zero, which was rumored to kill Mega Man

Well the creators of Mega Man and X were the same guy so...

Unless this is a new sourcebook retcon or something. Wouldn't put it past Capcom.
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@3khc posted...

I thought Dr Light created both Mega Man and X

Yes. They were both created by Dr. Light.
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Then why @SamuelHayden say both creators?
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SamuelHayden posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Fun fact: the creators of Mega Man and X both had the same enemy (Dr. Willy). He created zero, which was rumored to kill Mega Man

Then zero went dormant (wtf?). He woke up in the future, in X's timeline. He kicked every reploid's ass until he fought Good Guy Sigma. Then he malfunctioned (he was beating Sigma until then).

Zero became good after that and Sigma became bad.

I can't remember where I heard this, but supposedly the only thing that Capcom has said about the time between classic and X is that Zero didn't kill everyone.

Though the only reason I've ever been able to come up with for Zero to get sealed in a capsule to reawaken in 21XX is that he got damaged. Capcom just says things and worries about what it means later so I've never put too much stock in that statement anyway.
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Zero had a cognitive flaw and the Zero Virus that Wily put into him in the hopes of making him controllable just turned him into a psychopath, so he was never used.
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DevsBro posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Fun fact: the creators of Mega Man and X both had the same enemy (Dr. Willy). He created zero, which was rumored to kill Mega Man

Then zero went dormant (wtf?). He woke up in the future, in X's timeline. He kicked every reploid's ass until he fought Good Guy Sigma. Then he malfunctioned (he was beating Sigma until then).

Zero became good after that and Sigma became bad.

I can't remember where I heard this, but supposedly the only thing that Capcom has said about the time between classic and X is that Zero didn't kill everyone.

Though the only reason I've ever been able to come up with for Zero to get sealed in a capsule to reawaken in 21XX is that he got damaged. Capcom just says things and worries about what it means later so I've never put too much stock in that statement anyway.

Yeah capcom stopping caring about storylines was the first sign of how terrible they would become later on

They are not the same.
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@Airhammy school these guys
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Is this literally what we're arguing over these days?
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Dr Cain didnt build X. He unearthed him and reverse engineered the design to create reploids.
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LanHikari10 posted...

Is this literally what we're arguing over these days?

People have been arguing about this for as long as I've been playing Mega Man games, which is almost 15 years.

Probably ever since 1993.
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CapnMuffin posted...

Dr Cain didnt build X. He unearthed him and reverse engineered the design to create reploids.

so was he a Dr. Light creation too?

You know, I always did wonder about Dr. Cain.

In the intro to X1, he logs into a computer that has all these details about X and a message from Dr. Light on it. Was it his computer? If so, how did it have the data? Was it Light's computer? How did he log in as himself (his username is literally Dr.Cain)?

I guess he could have copied all the data from Light's unpassworded computer and then looked it up on his computer later, but... seems like he should have looked at it on Light's in the first place. It was like, the very first thing he would have seen.

I guess Light did want someone to find X, so it might be believable, but I always felt like there was sone connection between Light and Cain.

Actually, the Day of Sigma animation does imply that he's extremely old, so... could be they worked together, come to think.
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SamuelHayden posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Dr Cain didnt build X. He unearthed him and reverse engineered the design to create reploids.

so was he a Dr. Light creation too?

Yes.
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Dr. Light built Rock as an assistant sometime around 2008-2009. After Wily began his attack Rock volunteered to become a fighting robot to stop him, thus MegaMan was born.

The main series games (NES and Gameboy together) take place over the course of about the next 4 years.

Dr. Wily's ongoing obsession in destroying Light's masterpiece led him to try and make his own. Starting with the dubbed MegaMan Killers, Enker, Punk, and Ballade. Later Sunstar, and finally Bass whom he assumed would do the job, but Bass had his own agenda.

After Duo crashed on Earth, Wily took the other crashed robot and used it's "Evil Energy" to power his robot masters. Meanwhile Wily was busy building King, and another secret project. Light became aware of this and started building an advanced robot he named X.

Wily supposedly used the evil energy to created his Roboenza virus which cause many robots to go crazy. It is theorized his most advanced variation of the virus was then infused into his creation named Zero, and his masterpiece was complete. From here it is unknown what occurred.

Light sealed X in a capsule with a warning. It would not be discovered for at least 100 years by scientist Dr. Cain.
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DevsBro posted...

You know, I always did wonder about Dr. Cain.

In the intro to X1, he logs into a computer that has all these details about X and a message from Dr. Light on it. Was it his computer? If so, how did it have the data? Was it Light's computer? How did he log in as himself (his username is literally Dr.Cain)?

I guess he could have copied all the data from Light's unpassworded computer and then looked it up on his computer later, but... seems like he should have looked at it on Light's in the first place. It was like, the very first thing he would have seen.

I guess Light did want someone to find X, so it might be believable, but I always felt like there was sone connection between Light and Cain.

Actually, the Day of Sigma animation does imply that he's extremely old, so... could be they worked together, come to think.

perhaps he was his mentor?

I always had the impression that mega man X took place a long, long time after mega man 10 or whatever the last one was. Like, 100+ years later

Airhammy posted...

Dr. Light built Rock as an assistant sometime around 2008-2009. After Wily began his attack Rock volunteered to become a fighting robot to stop him, thus MegaMan was born.

The main series games (NES and Gameboy together) take place over the course of about the next 4 years.

Dr. Wily's ongoing obsession in destroying Light's masterpiece led him to try and make his own. Starting with the dubbed MegaMan Killers, Enker, Punk, and Ballade. Later Sunstar, and finally Bass whom he assumed would do the job, but Bass had his own agenda.

After Duo crashed on Earth, Wily took the other crashed robot and used it's "Evil Energy" to power his robot masters. Meanwhile Wily was busy building King, and another secret project. Light became aware of this and started building an advanced robot he named X.

Wily supposedly used the evil energy to created his Roboenza virus which cause many robots to go crazy. It is theorized his most advanced variation of the virus was then infused into his creation named Zero, and his masterpiece was complete. From here it is unknown what occurred.

Light sealed X in a capsule with a warning. It would not be discovered for at least 100 years by scientist Dr. Cain.

This sounds like a great explanation. Where'd you read it?

SamuelHayden posted...

This sounds like a great explanation. Where'd you read it?

It came from my mind lol. I have the Classic and most of the X series ingrained into my brain I've played it so much I know most of this stuff off the top of my head.
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Most every Megaman game basically played the same. One big reason Megaman died was due to the lack of innovation.
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SamuelHayden posted...

DevsBro posted...

You know, I always did wonder about Dr. Cain.

In the intro to X1, he logs into a computer that has all these details about X and a message from Dr. Light on it. Was it his computer? If so, how did it have the data? Was it Light's computer? How did he log in as himself (his username is literally Dr.Cain)?

I guess he could have copied all the data from Light's unpassworded computer and then looked it up on his computer later, but... seems like he should have looked at it on Light's in the first place. It was like, the very first thing he would have seen.

I guess Light did want someone to find X, so it might be believable, but I always felt like there was sone connection between Light and Cain.

Actually, the Day of Sigma animation does imply that he's extremely old, so... could be they worked together, come to think.

perhaps he was his mentor?

I always had the impression that mega man X took place a long, long time after mega man 10 or whatever the last one was. Like, 100+ years later

Dr. Cain was not a robotics engineer (or whatever), he was an archaeologist who stumbled upon X.
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Timeline if it matters.

Rock is built
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MegaMan
MegaMan 2
Dr. Wily's Revenge
MegaMan 3
MegaMan II
MegaMan 4
MegaMan III
MegaMan 5
MegaMan IV
MegaMan V
MegaMan 6 - Bass and the robot masters for 7 are being built if not already complete by this time
MegaMan 7
Power Battle
MegaMan 8
Power Fighters - Zero is shown for the first time
MegaMan & Bass
MegaMan 9
MegaMan 10

100 years later

MegaMan X
MegaMan X2
MegaMan Xtreme
MegaMan X3
MegaMan Xtreme 2
MegaMan X4
MegaMan X5 - Meant to be the final game, Zero is gone.
MegaMan X6 - Events changed from 3 years after X5 to 3 weeks after. Zero seals himself away.
MegaMan X7 - Like they care anymore, Zero's no longer sealed away, lol.
MegaMan X8
MegaMan X Command Mission

Now Zero somehow becomes sealed away. Another 100 years goes by. Cyber-Elves are created.

MegaMan Zero - X7, X8, and Command Mission are meant to be non-canon as of this point.
MegaMan Zero 2
MegaMan Zero 3
MegaMan Zero 4

About another 200 years go by.

MegaMan ZX
MegaMan ZX Advent

An unknown thousands of years later.

The Misadventures of Tron Bonne
MegaMan Legends
MegaMan Legends 2

and thus the original timeline ends (as we currently know it)
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@Airhammy X7, X8 and XCM are non-canon? Sauce?

I thought Zero chose to seal himself away several years after XCM. Then, he was released to participate in the Elf Wars. After the war ended, he sealed himself again, only to be released several years later, starting the Megaman Zero series.
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How many times have they brought Zero back lol

Its like they wanted him to be a tragic sacrificial character but people liked him too much.
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If you think about it, it was Dr. Lights creation that destroyed the world, and eventually, it was Dr. Wilys creation that helped it rebuild.
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Airhammy posted...

Dr. Light built Rock as an assistant sometime around 2008-2009. After Wily began his attack Rock volunteered to become a fighting robot to stop him, thus MegaMan was born.

The main series games (NES and Gameboy together) take place over the course of about the next 4 years.

Dr. Wily's ongoing obsession in destroying Light's masterpiece led him to try and make his own. Starting with the dubbed MegaMan Killers, Enker, Punk, and Ballade. Later Sunstar, and finally Bass whom he assumed would do the job, but Bass had his own agenda.

After Duo crashed on Earth, Wily took the other crashed robot and used it's "Evil Energy" to power his robot masters. Meanwhile Wily was busy building King, and another secret project. Light became aware of this and started building an advanced robot he named X.

Wily supposedly used the evil energy to created his Roboenza virus which cause many robots to go crazy. It is theorized his most advanced variation of the virus was then infused into his creation named Zero, and his masterpiece was complete. From here it is unknown what occurred.

Light sealed X in a capsule with a warning. It would not be discovered for at least 100 years by scientist Dr. Cain.

Yeah that's more or less it. I think one minor detail was that Light actually begins work on X because he decided robots need better judgement capabilities for ethical dilemmas, but that was when he began the research in X's AI rather than the robot itself so what you said could also be true.
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SamuelHayden posted...

Mega Man aka Rockman was created by a different person and was a working robot that was later retrofitted to be a fighting robot.

X was built from the ground up to be a fighting robot.

Then why do they look the same and have the same name?
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Airhammy posted...

MegaMan X8
MegaMan X Command Mission

The booklet for CM does say 22XX but it always seemed to me to take place between X7 and X8, which would make 22XX a typo.

Unless X8 is also 22XX.

But there are just too many things that don't make sense with CM being after X8. Like when Axl shows up and nobody freaks out, lol.

Not that having unexplained holes and stuff that makes no sense matters for much in the X series, but you know.

Airhammy posted...

MegaMan Zero - X7, X8, and Command Mission are meant to be non-canon as of this point.

Yep, though personally I like the idea that the events of X7 and X8 set up the Zero universe, with the DNA cores being further developed into Cyber-elves and maybe Axl having something to do with the Mother Elf.

But yes, they're officially non-canon to Zero and beyond.
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Mega Man and MMX are different.

The main difference is that X has free will. The whole reason he was in stasis was because Light was running tests to make sure X's personality wasnt "homicidal maniac".

Zero was created by Wily. But he didnt kill Megaman. That theory was shot down by Inafune himself (kek)

Mega Man is eventually captured by Wily, reprogrammed into an evil, pogo-riding robot, who travels to the past to get killed by himself. Yes, that's canon. >_>
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Chicken posted...

If you think about it, it was Dr. Lights creation that destroyed the world, and eventually, it was Dr. Wilys creation that helped it rebuild.

Kinda. Capcom goes back and forth on everything that happened off-camera and about half of what didn't. I stopped keeping up with everything not stated in-game a long time ago.

But yeah, I do know that at one point they even blamed X/Light for the Maverick virus.
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AlisLandale posted...

Mega Man and MMX are different.

The main difference is that X has free will. The whole reason he was in stasis was because Light was running tests to make sure X's personality wasnt "homicidal maniac".

Zero was created by Wily. But he didnt kill Megaman. That theory was shot down by Inafune himself (kek)

Mega Man is eventually captured by Wily, reprogrammed into an evil, pogo-riding robot, who travels to the past to get killed by himself. Yes, that's canon. >_>

Does the last bit not actually happen though, since Quint is defeated? Time travel is confusing. >_>
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Behaviorism posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mega Man aka Rockman was created by a different person and was a working robot that was later retrofitted to be a fighting robot.

X was built from the ground up to be a fighting robot.

Then why do they look the same and have the same name?

They don't have the same name.

In the games Mega Man X is only referred to as "X". They have never called him "Mega Man X".
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AlisLandale posted...

The main difference is that X has free will. The whole reason he was in stasis was because Light was running tests to make sure X's personality wasnt "homicidal maniac".

But it's another one of those weird Capcom things. Mega Man always had, or at least was really good at pretending he had, free will. Like in the Mega Man 4 intro when the omniscient narrator tells us that Rock had a strong sense of justice or in Mega Man 7 when he's about to fry Wily. The implication is, as MM says, that he is "more than a robot" but then Light turns around and builds a whole new design that will... do exactly what the old one did.

X is the only series that really has these kinds of issues though.
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Then Zero is an upgraded version of Protoman.
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KlRBEH posted...

In the games Mega Man X is only referred to as "X". They have never called him "Mega Man X".

They do, actually. In the intro to X1, he is introduced as "Mega Man X," and his dialog boxes in X2 and X3 say "Mega Man" as his name.

Of course, the latter shouldn't be taken as anything other than Capcom brainfarting. I kinda dig the former though.
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All of this arguing and we'll still never get a new Mega Man game
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Yeah but you see, Rock had a strong sense of justice because he was programmed to have a strong sense of justice.

And if he had free will he wouldn't have just been like "okay" when Capcom cancelled all those games of his that one year. >_>
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DevsBro posted...

KlRBEH posted...

In the games Mega Man X is only referred to as "X". They have never called him "Mega Man X".

They do, actually. In the intro to X1, he is introduced as "Mega Man X," and his dialog boxes in X2 and X3 say "Mega Man" as his name.

Of course, the latter shouldn't be taken as anything other than Capcom brainfarting. I kinda dig the former though.

I was mainly talking about in-game when other characters talked to him
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