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masticatingman 12/02/17 12:48:43 AM #1:	Just was watching VICELAND (theyre showing the Street Fighter movie right now - yup) and saw a Vice-affiliated commercial where a group called Oshun was performing a song snippet talking about the usual stuff - how Trump isnt their president and how America was never great. Alright, I get the basic premise - its a counter to Trump talking about making America great again. But seriously? America has been the primary world superpower since 1945. A ton of YouTube videos doing the same shtick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gchs8qfMy8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTflE4cMfxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuIaEs2N94U Oshun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0hIj29M7TU This is the song they did on the commercial but there it was shorter and it was a cappella - on the commercial they definitely said America was never great but here they say my momma told me in this country it was never great (at 3:25) so I guess Vice got them to politicize it a lil more. --- I am I - you are you. These are irrefutable truths. Possibly. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:891434991] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Just was watching VICELAND (theyre showing the Street Fighter movie right now - yup) and saw a Vice-affiliated commercial where a group called Oshun was performing a song snippet talking about the usual stuff - how Trump isnt their president and how America was never great. Alright, I get the basic premise - its a counter to Trump talking about making America great again. But seriously? America has been the primary world superpower since 1945. A ton of YouTube videos doing the same shtick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gchs8qfMy8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTflE4cMfxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuIaEs2N94U Oshun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0hIj29M7TU This is the song they did on the commercial but there it was shorter and it was a cappella - on the commercial they definitely said America was never great but here they say my momma told me in this country it was never great (at 3:25) so I guess Vice got them to politicize it a lil more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/02/17 12:51:40 AM #2:	It's edgy to be anti patriotic <cite>Zikten posted [p:891435089] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>It's edgy to be anti patriotic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 12/02/17 12:51:45 AM #3:	Because we've always had far more freedom than leftists want us to have. --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:891435098] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Because we've always had far more freedom than leftists want us to have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 12/02/17 12:55:44 AM #4:	Because they forget most countries are built on dark, bloody roots, and think it is exclusive to America. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:891435244] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Because they forget most countries are built on dark, bloody roots, and think it is exclusive to America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 12/02/17 12:55:47 AM #5:	idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:891435246] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NINExATExSEVEN 12/02/17 12:55:57 AM #6:	Yet these people don't leave that don't like America, we get a million immigrants a year and people even try to sneak in. Hmmmm? it's almost like fake outrage or something. --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... <cite>NINExATExSEVEN posted [p:891435255] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Yet these people don't leave that don't like America, we get a million immigrants a year and people even try to sneak in. Hmmmm? it's almost like fake outrage or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 12/02/17 12:56:05 AM #7:	Manocheese posted... Because we've always had far more freedom than leftists want us to have. Seriously those people claiming communism can be beneficial are fucking morons. Get the fuck out of America if you truly think that. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:891435263] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote>Because we've always had far more freedom than leftists want us to have.</quote> Seriously those people claiming communism can be beneficial are fucking morons. Get the fuck out of America if you truly think that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NINExATExSEVEN 12/02/17 12:57:47 AM #8:	Also is that punk in the first vid raising a black power fist? What a nerd. --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... <cite>NINExATExSEVEN posted [p:891435329] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Also is that punk in the first vid raising a black power fist? What a nerd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 12/02/17 12:59:22 AM #9:	Zikten posted... It's edgy to be anti patriotic edgy anti-patriotism is so 2013. --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png <cite>TheMikh posted [p:891435388] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>It's edgy to be anti patriotic</quote> edgy anti-patriotism is so 2013.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 12/02/17 1:00:05 AM #10:	People that say things like that usually have a myopic view of history, and would be hard pressed to name any nation that has been greater than the United States based on their criteria. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:891435415] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>People that say things like that usually have a myopic view of history, and would be hard pressed to name any nation that has been greater than the United States based on their criteria.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 12/02/17 1:03:07 AM #11:	I4NRulez posted... idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships Just gonna point this out but everything youre talking about was prevalent worldwide until a couple decades ago. And only the Western world in general has really tackled these issues. --- I am I - you are you. These are irrefutable truths. Possibly. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:891435523] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>I4NRulez posted...</cite> <quote>idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships</quote> Just gonna point this out but everything youre talking about was prevalent worldwide until a couple decades ago. And only the Western world in general has really tackled these issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 12/02/17 1:03:09 AM #12:	Just because a county is better than it used to be, or better than a bunch of other shittier countries doesn't necessarily make it "great." --- Because most days are bad days... --- Steam and XBOX Live: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:891435524] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Just because a county is better than it used to be, or better than a bunch of other shittier countries doesn't necessarily make it "great."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 12/02/17 1:03:12 AM #13:	When was it great and why? When did it stop being great and need a savior in a monumental piece of shit like Trump? --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:891435527] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>When was it great and why? When did it stop being great and need a savior in a monumental piece of shit like Trump?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 12/02/17 1:05:57 AM #14:	Millennials posted... When was it great and why? When did it stop being great and need a savior in a monumental piece of shit like Trump? Its a great country right now. We have the worlds largest economy. --- I am I - you are you. These are irrefutable truths. Possibly. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:891435616] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote>When was it great and why? When did it stop being great and need a savior in a monumental piece of shit like Trump?</quote> Its a great country right now. We have the worlds largest economy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 12/02/17 1:07:03 AM #15:	I have to ask, what about the USA right now is keeping us from being great? When did we lose it, and when would be the last year we were considered great? Someone beat me to it. --- I've lost the use of my heart, but I'm still alive. <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:891435660] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>I have to ask, what about the USA right now is keeping us from being great? When did we lose it, and when would be the last year we were considered great? Someone beat me to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masticatingman 12/02/17 1:09:16 AM #17:	Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats. --- I am I - you are you. These are irrefutable truths. Possibly. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:891435721] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 12/02/17 1:11:10 AM #18:	someone saying that america was never great / is not great does not mean that they think other countries are great / were great --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:891435782] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>someone saying that america was never great / is not great does not mean that they think other countries are great / were great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 12/02/17 1:12:14 AM #19:	masticatingman posted... Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats. i like to think of it in social ways, yknow, the ways that actually effects people. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg <cite>metralo posted [p:891435820] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote>Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats.</quote> i like to think of it in social ways, yknow, the ways that actually effects people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 12/02/17 1:15:35 AM #20:	Would have to assume being part and parcel of the worlds most vital economy would have a fairly profound effect on peoples lives. Pretty strong component to how a society is able to function. --- I am I - you are you. These are irrefutable truths. Possibly. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:891435936] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Would have to assume being part and parcel of the worlds most vital economy would have a fairly profound effect on peoples lives. Pretty strong component to how a society is able to function.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 12/02/17 1:18:03 AM #21:	masticatingman posted... Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats. I do believe we have a issue with money. Both the government(s) and the citizens in general don't seem to know how to properly manage their money wisely. On top of that, there seems to be ideas on what they want to happen, but don't really have a step by step process on how they want to get them done. --- I've lost the use of my heart, but I'm still alive. <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:891436024] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote>Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats.</quote> I do believe we have a issue with money. Both the government(s) and the citizens in general don't seem to know how to properly manage their money wisely. On top of that, there seems to be ideas on what they want to happen, but don't really have a step by step process on how they want to get them done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 12/02/17 1:19:25 AM #22:	metralo posted... masticatingman posted... Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats. i like to think of it in social ways, yknow, the ways that actually effects people. You don't think military power and economic strength effect the people of a nation? I think you may be taking a few things for granted. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:891436080] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>metralo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote>Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats.</quote> i like to think of it in social ways, yknow, the ways that actually effects people.</quote> You don't think military power and economic strength effect the people of a nation? I think you may be taking a few things for granted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 12/02/17 1:19:31 AM #23:	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/?utm_term=.aeed796ef33c Talk about GREAT! --- Because most days are bad days... --- Steam and XBOX Live: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:891436084] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/?utm_term=.aeed796ef33c Talk about GREAT!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 12/02/17 1:20:55 AM #24:	tbf, a person saying that America isn't/was never great doesn't necessarily mean that they believe that any other nation is/was --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:891436134] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>tbf, a person saying that America isn't/was never great doesn't necessarily mean that they believe that any other nation is/was</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/02/17 1:22:49 AM #25:	To be fair. It really depends on where you fall in America. Wealthy rich white male, America has always been great for you. Minority, America hasn't really been that great towards you. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:891436210] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>To be fair. It really depends on where you fall in America. Wealthy rich white male, America has always been great for you. Minority, America hasn't really been that great towards you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 12/02/17 1:23:46 AM #26:	Esrac posted... metralo posted... masticatingman posted... Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats. i like to think of it in social ways, yknow, the ways that actually effects people. You don't think military power and economic strength effect the people of a nation? I think you may be taking a few things for granted. ill tell that to the minorities and women who are hated by our own government. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg <cite>metralo posted [p:891436232] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote><cite>metralo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote>Alright, what country is greater than America? Militarily and economically, we are #1. These seem to be fairly crucial stats.</quote> i like to think of it in social ways, yknow, the ways that actually effects people.</quote> You don't think military power and economic strength effect the people of a nation? I think you may be taking a few things for granted.</quote> ill tell that to the minorities and women who are hated by our own government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 12/02/17 1:25:16 AM #27:	people that say america has never been great are just edgelords with joke opinions tbh --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:891436286] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>people that say america has never been great are just edgelords with joke opinions tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 12/02/17 1:39:11 AM #28:	masticatingman posted... We have the worlds largest economy. Do you honestly believe that's the only standard a country needs to be meet to be great? --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:891436731] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote>We have the worlds largest economy.</quote> Do you honestly believe that's the only standard a country needs to be meet to be great?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 12/02/17 1:44:04 AM #29:	Please, the great yesteryear of conservative imagination is only great for straight white dudes. Just about any minority living in America right now is experiencing the best American experience they could possibly experience. When people speak of the 'lost greatness' Donald Trump promises to restore, I personally don't know what they're talking about. --- Whatever happened to standards? Whatever happened to bare minimums? 15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017 <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:891436892] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote>Please, the great yesteryear of conservative imagination is only great for straight white dudes. Just about any minority living in America right now is experiencing the best American experience they could possibly experience. When people speak of the 'lost greatness' Donald Trump promises to restore, I personally don't know what they're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 12/02/17 1:51:31 AM #30:	Millennials posted... masticatingman posted... We have the worlds largest economy. Do you honestly believe that's the only standard a country needs to be meet to be great? Economic strength Cultural contribution Military might Secured territory Resource control Diplomatic influence Standard of living And immigration desirability Are probably the factors I would consider important. I don't know that I'd give America an A+ in every category, but I think it does well enough that it can be considered great. We can certainly stand to improve in some of those categories. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:891437123] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote>We have the worlds largest economy.</quote> Do you honestly believe that's the only standard a country needs to be meet to be great?</quote> Economic strength Cultural contribution Military might Secured territory Resource control Diplomatic influence Standard of living And immigration desirability Are probably the factors I would consider important. I don't know that I'd give America an A+ in every category, but I think it does well enough that it can be considered great. We can certainly stand to improve in some of those categories.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 12/02/17 2:06:08 AM #32:	masticatingman posted... I4NRulez posted... idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships Just gonna point this out but everything youre talking about was prevalent worldwide until a couple decades ago. And only the Western world in general has really tackled these issues. If someone is lynching your friend or family member i doubt you care about whats going on in China at the time --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:891437632] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>I4NRulez posted...</cite> <quote>idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships</quote> Just gonna point this out but everything youre talking about was prevalent worldwide until a couple decades ago. And only the Western world in general has really tackled these issues.</quote> If someone is lynching your friend or family member i doubt you care about whats going on in China at the time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 12/02/17 2:24:15 AM #33:	andel posted... people that say america has never been great are just edgelords with joke opinions tbh There also is an overlap with people who have never lived in other countries that also maintain a significant presence in the world. I fully believe their view on the US lacks perspective because of all the things they take for granted. You think being a minority is bad in the US? Try being one anywhere else in a country that is also expected to accomodate hundreds of millions of citizens, while leading international security efforts, provides worldwide humanitarian aid and has to deal with massive cyber threats, terrorism and other concerns. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:891438207] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>people that say america has never been great are just edgelords with joke opinions tbh</quote> There also is an overlap with people who have never lived in other countries that also maintain a significant presence in the world. I fully believe their view on the US lacks perspective because of all the things they take for granted. You think being a minority is bad in the US? Try being one anywhere else in a country that is also expected to accomodate hundreds of millions of citizens, while leading international security efforts, provides worldwide humanitarian aid and has to deal with massive cyber threats, terrorism and other concerns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsianFury2020 12/02/17 2:29:39 AM #34:	I4NRulez posted... idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships --- Kaze no yo ni Hayaku! <cite>AsianFury2020 posted [p:891438391] in 'Ameri... [t:76052913]...</cite> <quote><cite>I4NRulez posted...</cite> <quote>idk its debatable if you're a minority. Some older people might not think it was ever great for them when all they've known is racism and hardships</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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