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Dustin1280 12/03/17 2:40:26 PM #201:	stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... COVxy posted... Dustin1280 posted... While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met. The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning. I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else... Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:891517350] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met.</quote> The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning.</quote> I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else...</quote> Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there</quote> False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stevethewindow 12/03/17 5:38:23 PM #202:	Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... COVxy posted... Dustin1280 posted... While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met. The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning. I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else... Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of. I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there <cite>stevethewindow posted [p:891527777] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met.</quote> The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning.</quote> I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else...</quote> Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there</quote> False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of.</quote> I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OEIO999 12/03/17 5:42:26 PM #203:	stevethewindow posted... So why do they talk like there Is? 'Scientism the new religion' I agree. --- The truth behind star wars: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76044442/891290690 <cite>OEIO999 posted [p:891527987] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote>So why do they talk like there Is? 'Scientism the new religion'</quote> I agree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 12/03/17 5:49:22 PM #204:	stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... COVxy posted... Dustin1280 posted... While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met. The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning. I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else... Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of. I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there And I'm trying to say the opposite. Because the universe is HUGE and we don't have the knowledge level to determine what it takes to "create life." Assuming that we are the only living creatures in the entire universe is silly. Let's take it a step further, there are 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy alone. We are a completely random (not special) planet in that group of 100,000,000,000. We alone are proof that life exists in our galaxy of 100,000,000,000 planets. To assume that such an occurrence couldn't happen when you now have 10^24 planets is nonsense. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:891528352] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met.</quote> The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning.</quote> I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else...</quote> Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there</quote> False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of.</quote> I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there</quote> And I'm trying to say the opposite. Because the universe is HUGE and we don't have the knowledge level to determine what it takes to "create life." Assuming that we are the only living creatures in the entire universe is silly. Let's take it a step further, there are 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy alone. We are a completely random (not special) planet in that group of 100,000,000,000. We alone are proof that life exists in our galaxy of 100,000,000,000 planets. To assume that such an occurrence couldn't happen when you now have 10^24 planets is nonsense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stevethewindow 12/03/17 5:50:34 PM #205:	Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... COVxy posted... Dustin1280 posted... While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met. The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning. I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else... Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of. I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there And I'm trying to say the opposite. Because the universe is HUGE and we don't have the knowledge level to determine what it takes to "create life." Assuming that we are the only living creatures in the entire universe is silly. Let's take it a step further, there are 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy alone. We are a completely random (not special) planet in that group of 100,000,000,000. We alone are proof that life exists in our galaxy of 100,000,000,000 planets. To assume that such an occurrence couldn't happen when you now have 10^24 planets is nonsense. But as we have established many times over. It's entirely plausible we are the only life. The silly and nonsense are not needed You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all? <cite>stevethewindow posted [p:891528422] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met.</quote> The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning.</quote> I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else...</quote> Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there</quote> False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of.</quote> I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there</quote> And I'm trying to say the opposite. Because the universe is HUGE and we don't have the knowledge level to determine what it takes to "create life." Assuming that we are the only living creatures in the entire universe is silly. Let's take it a step further, there are 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy alone. We are a completely random (not special) planet in that group of 100,000,000,000. We alone are proof that life exists in our galaxy of 100,000,000,000 planets. To assume that such an occurrence couldn't happen when you now have 10^24 planets is nonsense.</quote> But as we have established many times over. It's entirely plausible we are the only life. The silly and nonsense are not needed You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 12/03/17 5:56:06 PM #206:	stevethewindow posted... You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all? Sorry but a probability based on life existing in the universe besides ours is not comparable in any way to the probability of god existing, much less a god that still actively pay's attention to his prior creations. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:891528740] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote>You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all?</quote> Sorry but a probability based on life existing in the universe besides ours is not comparable in any way to the probability of god existing, much less a god that still actively pay's attention to his prior creations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stevethewindow 12/03/17 6:00:09 PM #207:	Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all? Sorry but a probability based on life existing in the universe besides ours is not comparable in any way to the probability of god existing, much less a god that still actively pay's attention to his prior creations. God could be an alien life? <cite>stevethewindow posted [p:891528966] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote>You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all?</quote> Sorry but a probability based on life existing in the universe besides ours is not comparable in any way to the probability of god existing, much less a god that still actively pay's attention to his prior creations.</quote> God could be an alien life?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/03/17 6:01:49 PM #208:	The fundamental difference between the existence of intelligent life beyond Earth and the existence of a deity is that we don't even know if the latter is even possible. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:891529047] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>The fundamental difference between the existence of intelligent life beyond Earth and the existence of a deity is that we don't even know if the latter is even possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stevethewindow 12/03/17 6:02:44 PM #209:	Dragonblade01 posted... The fundamental difference between the existence of intelligent life beyond Earth and the existence of a deity is that we don't even know if the latter is even possible. Okay I'll actually agree with you there and take back what I said <cite>stevethewindow posted [p:891529107] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The fundamental difference between the existence of intelligent life beyond Earth and the existence of a deity is that we don't even know if the latter is even possible.</quote> Okay I'll actually agree with you there and take back what I said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/17 6:05:29 PM #210:	the universe is infinite for all we know, which means there's an infinite repeating chance of other life in the universe. It'd be pretty silly to say something like "there's no other life in the universe" when there is infinite possibilities for there to be --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:891529257] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>the universe is infinite for all we know, which means there's an infinite repeating chance of other life in the universe. It'd be pretty silly to say something like "there's no other life in the universe" when there is infinite possibilities for there to be</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 12/03/17 6:05:41 PM #211:	stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all? Sorry but a probability based on life existing in the universe besides ours is not comparable in any way to the probability of god existing, much less a god that still actively pay's attention to his prior creations. God could be an alien life? There is no evidence I have that would lead me to believe one way or the other, so it's definitely possible. For this to be true though, alien life would have to exist, then that alien life would have to be so powerful that it could create life. So now alien life has to exist (which is probable in the universe) Now that alien life has have godlike abilities to create life. That same godlike alien lifeform also had to have recognized our galaxy. That same godlike alien lifeform also that recognized our specific galaxy also had to specifically choose our planet to seed. Take it a step further, that same ultimate being capable of creating life now also has to actually care about his creations (based on Abrahamic religions) See where the probabilities really aren't the same at all? We also don't know if it's even possible for someone who can create life (deity or otherwise) to exist. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:891529269] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote>You have a belief based on your idea there is life because of so many planets. Someone may believe because there are so many planets and so much energy in the universe they establish a belief that there is a higher power behind it all?</quote> Sorry but a probability based on life existing in the universe besides ours is not comparable in any way to the probability of god existing, much less a god that still actively pay's attention to his prior creations.</quote> God could be an alien life?</quote> There is no evidence I have that would lead me to believe one way or the other, so it's definitely possible. For this to be true though, alien life would have to exist, then that alien life would have to be so powerful that it could create life. So now alien life has to exist (which is probable in the universe) Now that alien life has have godlike abilities to create life. That same godlike alien lifeform also had to have recognized our galaxy. That same godlike alien lifeform also that recognized our specific galaxy also had to specifically choose our planet to seed. Take it a step further, that same ultimate being capable of creating life now also has to actually care about his creations (based on Abrahamic religions) See where the probabilities really aren't the same at all? We also don't know if it's even possible for someone who can create life (deity or otherwise) to exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaffIeElite 12/03/17 6:09:03 PM #212:	stevethewindow posted... nicklebro posted... Cuz there probably is life outside of our planet. You don't need to know something to determine it's probability is above 50% Wow you just made up a figure of 50% out of nowhere. That's science for you Sounds like you're bringing up religion there, shortstack. --- I have a signature. Apparently this is important, but I still don't have my secret cool kid decoder ring yet. <cite>WaffIeElite posted [p:891529447] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz there probably is life outside of our planet. You don't need to know something to determine it's probability is above 50%</quote> Wow you just made up a figure of 50% out of nowhere. That's science for you</quote> Sounds like you're bringing up religion there, shortstack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stevethewindow 12/03/17 6:17:03 PM #213:	WaffIeElite posted... stevethewindow posted... nicklebro posted... Cuz there probably is life outside of our planet. You don't need to know something to determine it's probability is above 50% Wow you just made up a figure of 50% out of nowhere. That's science for you Sounds like you're bringing up religion there, shortstack. That's the whole point. I started with on the first post. Not because I am religious. But I can see double standards on belief <cite>stevethewindow posted [p:891529894] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>WaffIeElite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz there probably is life outside of our planet. You don't need to know something to determine it's probability is above 50%</quote> Wow you just made up a figure of 50% out of nowhere. That's science for you</quote> Sounds like you're bringing up religion there, shortstack.</quote> That's the whole point. I started with on the first post. Not because I am religious. But I can see double standards on belief</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 12/03/17 6:20:10 PM #214:	stevethewindow posted... That's the whole point. I started with on the first post. Not because I am religious. But I can see double standards on belief Believing that alien life in the entire universe is probable is not even close to believing that a "deity" is probable (or worse, absolutely exists). --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:891530076] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote>That's the whole point. I started with on the first post. Not because I am religious. But I can see double standards on belief</quote> Believing that alien life in the entire universe is probable is not even close to believing that a "deity" is probable (or worse, absolutely exists).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
buddhamonster 12/04/17 2:56:25 AM #215:	Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... stevethewindow posted... Dustin1280 posted... COVxy posted... Dustin1280 posted... While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met. The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning. I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else... Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of. I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there And I'm trying to say the opposite. Because the universe is HUGE and we don't have the knowledge level to determine what it takes to "create life." Assuming that we are the only living creatures in the entire universe is silly. Let's take it a step further, there are 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy alone. We are a completely random (not special) planet in that group of 100,000,000,000. We alone are proof that life exists in our galaxy of 100,000,000,000 planets. To assume that such an occurrence couldn't happen when you now have 10^24 planets is nonsense. Add another variable. Time. Remember that life on Earth has only existed for a fraction of the universes total estimated time. Giving the time frame were working with, its quite possible we are the only ones, but with a dozen other planets going through a life supporting phase then extinct before Earth was even... well, Earth. For all we know, life blinks in and out of existence across the universe, sprouting up here or there for a few hundred million years, then dies out. Maybe weve had an unusually long run, maybe were just in our infancy. Without any other planet to observe, we simply dont know what the long term cycles of a life supporting planet are. The odds are in favor of life existing elsewhere at some point, be it a billion years ago or a billion years in the future. That doesnt necessarily mean its happening now. --- Hey Trashcan Man! What did old lady Semple say when you burned her pension check? Boston Bruins - 2011 Stanley Cup Champs! <cite>buddhamonster posted [p:891554458] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>While life on other planets can no way be proved, I would say life existing elsewhere is more probably then improbable because of the scale we are working with. We exist and we are 1 planet in 10^24 planets. That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 even if the 1 in 10 billion chance to have life were true that would give us 1,000,000,000,000,000 chances of that 1 in 10 billion being met.</quote> The major point of this topic is that what you have posted isn't scientific reasoning, just reasoning.</quote> I would argue it's logical reasoning, but can't be back scientifically till we have more information to do so. Because the argument basically comes down to probability more than anything else...</quote> Logical reasoning to you. Random deck of cards, the chances of the cards ending up in perfect order - spades, then hearts, diamonds and clubs - are around 1 in 10 to the power 68 (or 1 followed by 68 zeros). That's a huge number, roughly equal to the number of atoms in our galaxy. So I feel you don't understand that it's very possible there is no life out there</quote> False equivalence... You are assuming the chance of life is equal to or more rare then a random deck of cards landing in perfect order. When you have nothing to make that assumption based off of.</quote> I'm just trying to say that just because the universe is very big doesnt make it likely there is life out there</quote> And I'm trying to say the opposite. Because the universe is HUGE and we don't have the knowledge level to determine what it takes to "create life." Assuming that we are the only living creatures in the entire universe is silly. Let's take it a step further, there are 100,000,000,000 planets in our galaxy alone. We are a completely random (not special) planet in that group of 100,000,000,000. We alone are proof that life exists in our galaxy of 100,000,000,000 planets. To assume that such an occurrence couldn't happen when you now have 10^24 planets is nonsense.</quote> Add another variable. Time. Remember that life on Earth has only existed for a fraction of the universes total estimated time. Giving the time frame were working with, its quite possible we are the only ones, but with a dozen other planets going through a life supporting phase then extinct before Earth was even... well, Earth. For all we know, life blinks in and out of existence across the universe, sprouting up here or there for a few hundred million years, then dies out. Maybe weve had an unusually long run, maybe were just in our infancy. Without any other planet to observe, we simply dont know what the long term cycles of a life supporting planet are. The odds are in favor of life existing elsewhere at some point, be it a billion years ago or a billion years in the future. That doesnt necessarily mean its happening now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 5:53:23 AM #216:	stevethewindow posted... But as we have established many times over. It's entirely plausible we are the only life. That has not been established in this topic lol --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891557926] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>stevethewindow posted...</cite> <quote>But as we have established many times over. It's entirely plausible we are the only life.</quote> That has not been established in this topic lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 5:59:05 AM #217:	i can say theres a 100% chance life exists elsewhere in the vast existence consider for a moment, everything we know. the big bang, all galaxies etc coming forth from it. everything that was created via the big bang is known as the observable universe. have you considered that because space is infinite, there must be infinite other big bangs and therefore other universes out there? a ludicrous distance away for sure, but somewhere --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891558011] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>i can say theres a 100% chance life exists elsewhere in the vast existence consider for a moment, everything we know. the big bang, all galaxies etc coming forth from it. everything that was created via the big bang is known as the observable universe. have you considered that because space is infinite, there must be infinite other big bangs and therefore other universes out there? a ludicrous distance away for sure, but somewhere</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 6:03:00 AM #218:	Rika_Furude posted... i can say theres a 100% chance life exists elsewhere in the vast existence You can say that, but that doesn't make it correct :) --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891558062] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>i can say theres a 100% chance life exists elsewhere in the vast existence</quote> You can say that, but that doesn't make it correct :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 6:04:21 AM #219:	your post doesnt make me incorrect --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891558084] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>your post doesnt make me incorrect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 6:11:33 AM #220:	Rika_Furude posted... your post doesnt make me incorrect No, you were incorrect from the start, completely independent of my post. :) --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891558214] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>your post doesnt make me incorrect</quote> No, you were incorrect from the start, completely independent of my post. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 6:12:46 AM #221:	explain why im wrong --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891558232] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>explain why im wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssj3vegeta2 12/04/17 6:15:39 AM #222:	We're alone in dis universe --- http://i.imgur.com/8YZ4i.jpg http://i.imgur.com/205g6FR.gifv http://h-7.abload.de/img/messi02-rm-ucl3ngb.gif http://i.imgur.com/IBJCH6O.jpg <cite>ssj3vegeta2 posted [p:891558278] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>We're alone in dis universe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 12/04/17 6:16:19 AM #223:	In an infinitely expanding universe there is a likewise infinite chance of life existing in infinite variations. But if the universe isn't infinitely expanding as one of the more prominent theories suggests...then maybe you're right, TC. And maybe not. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:891558289] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>In an infinitely expanding universe there is a likewise infinite chance of life existing in infinite variations. But if the universe isn't infinitely expanding as one of the more prominent theories suggests...then maybe you're right, TC. And maybe not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 6:20:03 AM #224:	Rika_Furude posted... explain why im wrong Well for starters you're technically wrong. Science can't say anything with a 100% certainty (other than what is not true). Second, we are still so bad at seeing other planets that it's very difficult for us to determine how special we are. Any estimate about other life is based solely on one star, ours. As we're learning more, our estimates change, but they're far from 100% still. Third, you base your estimate on what seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what we believe the Big Bang to have been. What's more, you bring up an assumption of the universe being infinite, something that we don't really know either. So your estimate, even it would have been correct in number (which, given our knowledge it isn't) is based on faulty premises. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891558360] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>explain why im wrong</quote> Well for starters you're technically wrong. Science can't say anything with a 100% certainty (other than what is not true). Second, we are still so bad at seeing other planets that it's very difficult for us to determine how special we are. Any estimate about other life is based solely on one star, ours. As we're learning more, our estimates change, but they're far from 100% still. Third, you base your estimate on what seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what we believe the Big Bang to have been. What's more, you bring up an assumption of the universe being infinite, something that we don't really know either. So your estimate, even it would have been correct in number (which, given our knowledge it isn't) is based on faulty premises.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 6:28:07 AM #225:	/so what do you think is at the end of the universe? a brick wall that prevents further travel? if you dig into said wall, do you get infinite bricks? of course space is infinite. --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891558510] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>/so what do you think is at the end of the universe? a brick wall that prevents further travel? if you dig into said wall, do you get infinite bricks? of course space is infinite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/04/17 6:30:22 AM #226:	Rika_Furude posted... /so what do you think is at the end of the universe? a brick wall that prevents further travel? if you dig into said wall, do you get infinite bricks? of course space is infinite. Saying that we're too ignorant to jump to conclusions is not the same as promoting a different conclusion. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:891558555] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>/so what do you think is at the end of the universe? a brick wall that prevents further travel? if you dig into said wall, do you get infinite bricks? of course space is infinite.</quote> Saying that we're too ignorant to jump to conclusions is not the same as promoting a different conclusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 6:47:46 AM #227:	Rika_Furude posted... /so what do you think is at the end of the universe? a brick wall that prevents further travel? if you dig into said wall, do you get infinite bricks? of course space is infinite. We don't know. It might be infinite, it might not be. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891558891] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>/so what do you think is at the end of the universe? a brick wall that prevents further travel? if you dig into said wall, do you get infinite bricks? of course space is infinite.</quote> We don't know. It might be infinite, it might not be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 6:48:38 AM #228:	again, what do you think is at the edge of space? nothing/more space/infinity, or something preventing you from traveling further and making it not infinite? like a dirt wall or a magnetic force field or something --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891558909] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>again, what do you think is at the edge of space? nothing/more space/infinity, or something preventing you from traveling further and making it not infinite? like a dirt wall or a magnetic force field or something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 6:52:47 AM #229:	It doesn't matter what I think. This isn't a matter that we can settle with our experience. We have no idea what it's like at the edge of the universe, so our analogies to walls or force fields are meaningless. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891558983] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't matter what I think. This isn't a matter that we can settle with our experience. We have no idea what it's like at the edge of the universe, so our analogies to walls or force fields are meaningless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 6:53:44 AM #230:	scar the 1 posted... It doesn't matter what I think. it matters to me. what do you think is at the edge of the universe? --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891559000] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>It doesn't matter what I think.</quote> it matters to me. what do you think is at the edge of the universe?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/04/17 6:55:19 AM #231:	Why does space have to be infinite in the first place? Could it be that people simply tend to believe that some space must be infinite because our limited experience involves discovering spaces of ever-increasing scale? --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:891559035] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>Why does space have to be infinite in the first place? Could it be that people simply tend to believe that some space must be infinite because our limited experience involves discovering spaces of ever-increasing scale?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 6:57:17 AM #232:	Dragonblade01 posted... Why does space have to be infinite in the first place? Could it be that people simply tend to believe that some space must be infinite because our limited experience involves discovering spaces of ever-increasing scale? its more logical than assuming theres something out there which makes it finite --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891559078] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why does space have to be infinite in the first place? Could it be that people simply tend to believe that some space must be infinite because our limited experience involves discovering spaces of ever-increasing scale?</quote> its more logical than assuming theres something out there which makes it finite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 6:57:25 AM #233:	Rika_Furude posted... scar the 1 posted... It doesn't matter what I think. it matters to me. what do you think is at the edge of the universe? I don't know. I don't have any presupposed notion or expectation, I'm perfectly content with not knowing. Just like how I don't know what your parents' names are, and I don't have a guess either. I just don't know. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891559081] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>It doesn't matter what I think.</quote> it matters to me. what do you think is at the edge of the universe?</quote> I don't know. I don't have any presupposed notion or expectation, I'm perfectly content with not knowing. Just like how I don't know what your parents' names are, and I don't have a guess either. I just don't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/04/17 7:01:34 AM #234:	Rika_Furude posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Why does space have to be infinite in the first place? Could it be that people simply tend to believe that some space must be infinite because our limited experience involves discovering spaces of ever-increasing scale? its more logical than assuming theres something out there which makes it finite And neither is more reasonable than "I don't know." --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:891559172] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why does space have to be infinite in the first place? Could it be that people simply tend to believe that some space must be infinite because our limited experience involves discovering spaces of ever-increasing scale?</quote> its more logical than assuming theres something out there which makes it finite</quote> And neither is more reasonable than "I don't know."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 7:03:15 AM #235:	i dont know is a reasonable answer im just saying its far more likely that space is infinite than it is infinite --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891559202] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>i dont know is a reasonable answer im just saying its far more likely that space is infinite than it is infinite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/04/17 7:05:33 AM #236:	Rika_Furude posted... im just saying its far more likely that space is infinite than it is infinite No, you're saying it's easier for you to concieve an infinite universe than a finite universe. It has nothing to do with likelihood, only how easy you find it to think about it. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:891559249] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>im just saying its far more likely that space is infinite than it is infinite</quote> No, you're saying it's easier for you to concieve an infinite universe than a finite universe. It has nothing to do with likelihood, only how easy you find it to think about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 12/04/17 7:05:43 AM #237:	The concept of space and infinity can be hard to understand and grasp. The Universe has no boundaries. All the space within the Universe is the Universe and it's not pushing against anything. It is simply expanding. It's complicated to even explain. Anyway, on the post for the topic. Given the small sample of just our system, of course there is nothing conclusive in terms of life. Some estimated numbers to ponder though. Size of the Universe: 96 billion light years Age of the Universe: 14 billion years Stars in the Universe: ~10 septillion Planets per star in the Universe: 1 Planets in the Universe: ~10 septillion Stars in the Milky Way: 100-400 billion Earth-like planets in the Milky Way: 11 billion Stars in our largest neighbor, Andromeda: 1 trillion Galaxies in the Universe: 2 trillion+. Upped just last year from 200 billion. Ignoring the time variable, just by going by the sheer number of stars, I want to believe we aren't alone. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:891559254] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>The concept of space and infinity can be hard to understand and grasp. The Universe has no boundaries. All the space within the Universe is the Universe and it's not pushing against anything. It is simply expanding. It's complicated to even explain. Anyway, on the post for the topic. Given the small sample of just our system, of course there is nothing conclusive in terms of life. Some estimated numbers to ponder though. Size of the Universe: 96 billion light years Age of the Universe: 14 billion years Stars in the Universe: ~10 septillion Planets per star in the Universe: 1 Planets in the Universe: ~10 septillion Stars in the Milky Way: 100-400 billion Earth-like planets in the Milky Way: 11 billion Stars in our largest neighbor, Andromeda: 1 trillion Galaxies in the Universe: 2 trillion+. Upped just last year from 200 billion. Ignoring the time variable, just by going by the sheer number of stars, I want to believe we aren't alone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 7:08:40 AM #238:	expanding into what? infinity --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891559319] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>expanding into what? infinity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 7:12:45 AM #239:	COVxy posted... No, you're saying it's easier for you to concieve an infinite universe than a finite universe. It has nothing to do with likelihood, only how easy you find it to think about it. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891559407] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>No, you're saying it's easier for you to concieve an infinite universe than a finite universe. It has nothing to do with likelihood, only how easy you find it to think about it.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 7:20:38 AM #240:	so there is the universe there is X the universe is expanding into X do you think X is infinite, or finite? --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891559565] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>so there is the universe there is X the universe is expanding into X do you think X is infinite, or finite?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/04/17 7:23:31 AM #241:	It is not more rational to suppose an "infinite" universe over a "finite" universe. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:891559625] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>It is not more rational to suppose an "infinite" universe over a "finite" universe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 12/04/17 7:26:26 AM #242:	science/tech is akin to religion. why? because religious people look for an afterlife atheist nerds want a tech utopia. neither is likely to happen and it's gonna suck for most of us. atheist nerds even have their own personality cult Jesus. his name is musk. --- http://i.imgtc.com/qieELu9.jpg Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:891559693] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>science/tech is akin to religion. why? because religious people look for an afterlife atheist nerds want a tech utopia. neither is likely to happen and it's gonna suck for most of us. atheist nerds even have their own personality cult Jesus. his name is musk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 12/04/17 7:29:29 AM #243:	I wouldn't be surprised if 200 years into the future (what luck if humanity even makes it that far...), humans develop space travel, explore the galaxies, and encounter no life forms. Then they look back and think of how silly they were in believing extraterrestrial life existed. It's like how people once thought the Earth was flat. Or how people never knew an America existed. You will never know but can only speculate. Believing in it as an absolute certainty however, makes you the ignorant narrow-minded one. Doesn't matter how many galaxies there are. Because point being, aliens do not exist until proven. One cannot claim it is true, no matter how much they believe in it. It's called burden of proof. Pretty basic concept. Unless proven, it is false. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:891559758] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't be surprised if 200 years into the future (what luck if humanity even makes it that far...), humans develop space travel, explore the galaxies, and encounter no life forms. Then they look back and think of how silly they were in believing extraterrestrial life existed. It's like how people once thought the Earth was flat. Or how people never knew an America existed. You will never know but can only speculate. Believing in it as an absolute certainty however, makes you the ignorant narrow-minded one. Doesn't matter how many galaxies there are. Because point being, aliens do not exist until proven. One cannot claim it is true, no matter how much they believe in it. It's called burden of proof. Pretty basic concept. Unless proven, it is false.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blitz4532 12/04/17 7:41:09 AM #244:	A lot of science fiction stories rely on a precursor race that uplifts other races. ...what if WE are the first race to develop this far? What if when we get long range space travel working properly, WE become the precursors for other races? --- I am the Stig "Or I could just, you know, drive the f***ing car." - TUSMEnterprises <cite>Blitz4532 posted [p:891560026] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote>A lot of science fiction stories rely on a precursor race that uplifts other races. ...what if WE are the first race to develop this far? What if when we get long range space travel working properly, WE become the precursors for other races?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 12/04/17 7:43:04 AM #245:	Blitz4532 posted... A lot of science fiction stories rely on a precursor race that uplifts other races. ...what if WE are the first race to develop this far? What if when we get long range space travel working properly, WE become the precursors for other races? the chances of that bejng? --- http://i.imgtc.com/qieELu9.jpg Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:891560070] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blitz4532 posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of science fiction stories rely on a precursor race that uplifts other races. ...what if WE are the first race to develop this far? What if when we get long range space travel working properly, WE become the precursors for other races?</quote> the chances of that bejng?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 12/04/17 7:44:08 AM #246:	Rika_Furude posted... there is X How can you know this? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:891560095] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>there is X</quote> How can you know this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blitz4532 12/04/17 7:44:12 AM #247:	foreveraIone posted... Blitz4532 posted... A lot of science fiction stories rely on a precursor race that uplifts other races. ...what if WE are the first race to develop this far? What if when we get long range space travel working properly, WE become the precursors for other races? the chances of that bejng? Pretty fuckin' slim if I'm bein' honest with you, still a fun thought though. --- I am the Stig "Or I could just, you know, drive the f***ing car." - TUSMEnterprises <cite>Blitz4532 posted [p:891560102] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blitz4532 posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of science fiction stories rely on a precursor race that uplifts other races. ...what if WE are the first race to develop this far? What if when we get long range space travel working properly, WE become the precursors for other races?</quote> the chances of that bejng?</quote> Pretty fuckin' slim if I'm bein' honest with you, still a fun thought though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/04/17 10:18:47 AM #248:	scar the 1 posted... Rika_Furude posted... there is X How can you know this? Because the universe is currently expanding into it --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:891564956] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> there is X</quote> How can you know this?</quote> Because the universe is currently expanding into it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/04/17 10:31:20 AM #249:	Rika_Furude posted... scar the 1 posted... Rika_Furude posted... there is X How can you know this? Because the universe is currently expanding into it Expanding into what? Another space? Our entire understanding of space is derived exclusively from this universe, in which space seems to be an emergent property of said universe. "Beyond" our universe (if such a thing truly exists or is even intelligible), the things we experience in our universe need not necessarily apply. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:891565464] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> there is X</quote> How can you know this?</quote> Because the universe is currently expanding into it</quote> Expanding into what? Another space? Our entire understanding of space is derived exclusively from this universe, in which space seems to be an emergent property of said universe. "Beyond" our universe (if such a thing truly exists or is even intelligible), the things we experience in our universe need not necessarily apply.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ballstopshere 12/04/17 10:31:34 AM #250:	Mackorov posted... I wouldn't be surprised if 200 years into the future (what luck if humanity even makes it that far...), humans develop space travel, explore the galaxies, and encounter no life forms. Then they look back and think of how silly they were in believing extraterrestrial life existed. It's like how people once thought the Earth was flat. Or how people never knew an America existed. You will never know but can only speculate. Believing in it as an absolute certainty however, makes you the ignorant narrow-minded one. Doesn't matter how many galaxies there are. Because point being, aliens do not exist until proven. One cannot claim it is true, no matter how much they believe in it. It's called burden of proof. Pretty basic concept. Unless proven, it is false. No ones saying little green men exist though. Other stars besides the Sun exist, those stars have planets those planets are made of the exact same stuff earth is made of. There are no special atoms inside life. I don't even think the question is worth discussing. "Life" exists, will we ever be able to find it is the real question. Maybe we're just unlucky that we're the only intelligent life in the solar system. <cite>Ballstopshere posted [p:891565474] in There is n... [t:76053708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mackorov posted...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't be surprised if 200 years into the future (what luck if humanity even makes it that far...), humans develop space travel, explore the galaxies, and encounter no life forms. Then they look back and think of how silly they were in believing extraterrestrial life existed. It's like how people once thought the Earth was flat. Or how people never knew an America existed. You will never know but can only speculate. Believing in it as an absolute certainty however, makes you the ignorant narrow-minded one. Doesn't matter how many galaxies there are. Because point being, aliens do not exist until proven. One cannot claim it is true, no matter how much they believe in it. It's called burden of proof. Pretty basic concept. Unless proven, it is false.</quote> No ones saying little green men exist though. Other stars besides the Sun exist, those stars have planets those planets are made of the exact same stuff earth is made of. There are no special atoms inside life. I don't even think the question is worth discussing. "Life" exists, will we ever be able to find it is the real question. Maybe we're just unlucky that we're the only intelligent life in the solar system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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