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UnfairRepresent 12/03/17 3:48:17 PM #1:	Germanys Interior Minister wants to force tech and car companies to provide the German security services with hidden digital access to cars, computers, phones and more, according to a media report from Friday. The RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND) reported that Thomas de Maizire had written up a draft proposal for the interior minister conference, taking place next week in Leipzig, which he has called the legal duty for third parties to allow for secret surveillance. According to the RND, the proposal would dramatically extend the states powers to spy on its citizens. The Interior Minister has been motivated to propose a new law by the fact that it is becoming ever more difficult for the intelligence agencies to break through the security systems which protect privacy on digital devices. For example, the modern locking systems on cars are so intelligent that they even warn a driver if their car is shaken a little bit. De Maizire wants the new law to ensure that these alerts would not be sent out to a car owner if the police determined it to be justified by their investigation. But the parameters of the proposed law are reportedly much wider. De Maizire also wants the security services to have the ability to spy on any device connected to the internet. Tech companies would have to give the state "back door" access to private tablets and computers, and even to smart TVs and digital kitchen systems. The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices. The proposal was met with astonishment by digital activists and politicians on Friday. The draft law is a frontal attack on the digital and physical security of all citizens, Frank Rieger, spokesman for the Chaos Computer Club (CCC) told netzpolitik.org. Access to the IT system of a car means danger to life and limb - it is a literal kill switch. The Interior Minister's plans sounds like an Orwellian nightmare. Soon all flats in Germany will be equipped with devices which are potential wiretaps, Konstantin von Notz, deputy faction leader of the Green Party, told Spiegel. We need to think really hard about the fact that we are a country with two dictatorships in its recent history. Do we want to live in a land where there is no privacy and where the state can interfere wherever it is technologically possible? he asked. Full Article: https://www.thelocal.de/20171201/german-government-wants-backdoor-access-to-every-digital-device-report The Germans want your Iphone. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:891521407] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote> Germanys Interior Minister wants to force tech and car companies to provide the German security services with hidden digital access to cars, computers, phones and more, according to a media report from Friday. The RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND) reported that Thomas de Maizire had written up a draft proposal for the interior minister conference, taking place next week in Leipzig, which he has called the legal duty for third parties to allow for secret surveillance. According to the RND, the proposal would dramatically extend the states powers to spy on its citizens. The Interior Minister has been motivated to propose a new law by the fact that it is becoming ever more difficult for the intelligence agencies to break through the security systems which protect privacy on digital devices. For example, the modern locking systems on cars are so intelligent that they even warn a driver if their car is shaken a little bit. De Maizire wants the new law to ensure that these alerts would not be sent out to a car owner if the police determined it to be justified by their investigation. But the parameters of the proposed law are reportedly much wider. De Maizire also wants the security services to have the ability to spy on any device connected to the internet. Tech companies would have to give the state "back door" access to private tablets and computers, and even to smart TVs and digital kitchen systems. The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices. The proposal was met with astonishment by digital activists and politicians on Friday. The draft law is a frontal attack on the digital and physical security of all citizens, Frank Rieger, spokesman for the Chaos Computer Club (CCC) told netzpolitik.org. Access to the IT system of a car means danger to life and limb - it is a literal kill switch. The Interior Minister's plans sounds like an Orwellian nightmare. Soon all flats in Germany will be equipped with devices which are potential wiretaps, Konstantin von Notz, deputy faction leader of the Green Party, told Spiegel. We need to think really hard about the fact that we are a country with two dictatorships in its recent history. Do we want to live in a land where there is no privacy and where the state can interfere wherever it is technologically possible? he asked. Full Article: https://www.thelocal.de/20171201/german-government-wants-backdoor-access-to-every-digital-device-report The Germans want your Iphone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 12/03/17 3:49:45 PM #2:	Well the German government can fuck right off. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891521501] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Well the German government can fuck right off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/03/17 3:50:07 PM #3:	Soon: Gee... I wonder why electronics sales in Austria and Belgium skyrocketed... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891521524] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Soon: Gee... I wonder why electronics sales in Austria and Belgium skyrocketed...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Electrokinesis 12/03/17 3:50:47 PM #4:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Well the German government can fuck right off. --- It's scientifically impossible for pants to feel "pain". ~ TheRealItachi <cite>Electrokinesis posted [p:891521563] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Well the German government can fuck right off.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
more_cow_bell 12/03/17 3:51:40 PM #5:	UnfairRepresent posted... An assassination attempt is made on Bob Marley. He is shot twice, but will play a concert only two days later. what? --- https://media.giphy.com/media/Qj07xH0I1AaZy/giphy.gif http://i.imgur.com/0O95M.gif http://i.imgur.com/IV8gR2Z.gif <cite>more_cow_bell posted [p:891521614] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>An assassination attempt is made on Bob Marley. He is shot twice, but will play a concert only two days later.</quote> what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 12/03/17 3:54:38 PM #6:	UnfairRepresent posted... The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices. That just seems like way too much red tape --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:891521786] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices.</quote> That just seems like way too much red tape</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/03/17 3:59:09 PM #7:	frozenshock posted... UnfairRepresent posted... The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices. That just seems like way too much red tape You want unshacked Governments with their fingers in your data? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:891522065] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices.</quote> That just seems like way too much red tape</quote> You want unshacked Governments with their fingers in your data?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 12/03/17 3:59:27 PM #8:	UnfairRepresent posted... frozenshock posted... UnfairRepresent posted... The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices. That just seems like way too much red tape You want unshacked Governments with their fingers in your data? I was kidding. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:891522086] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices.</quote> That just seems like way too much red tape</quote> You want unshacked Governments with their fingers in your data?</quote> I was kidding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 12/03/17 4:00:00 PM #9:	Why do German politicians like doing evil things? <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:891522118] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Why do German politicians like doing evil things?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 12/03/17 4:08:42 PM #10:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Why do German politicians like doing evil things? because they are statists --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891522674] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why do German politicians like doing evil things?</quote> because they are statists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 12/03/17 4:09:56 PM #11:	Literally Hitler --- https://i.imgflip.com/1jhnka.jpg <cite>gamer167 posted [p:891522750] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Literally Hitler</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oshawottownage 12/03/17 4:10:01 PM #12:	Fuck no. Searching a phone without a warrant is the same as searching a home without a warrant. Germany can fuck right off. --- I am definitely not an alt. Official oshawott of the 3DS board <cite>Oshawottownage posted [p:891522753] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Fuck no. Searching a phone without a warrant is the same as searching a home without a warrant. Germany can fuck right off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oshawottownage 12/03/17 4:10:55 PM #13:	Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort. --- I am definitely not an alt. Official oshawott of the 3DS board <cite>Oshawottownage posted [p:891522813] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 12/03/17 4:11:54 PM #14:	Oshawottownage posted... Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort. Agreed. The politicians who are trying to make this happen should be tried for treason and executed or imprisoned for life. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891522868] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Oshawottownage posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort.</quote> Agreed. The politicians who are trying to make this happen should be tried for treason and executed or imprisoned for life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frostshock 12/03/17 4:12:57 PM #15:	They can make this the law if they want. No tech company will comply, they'd sooner stop selling in Germany. The car companies would probably comply though, and lord knows their security is already garbage without deliberate backdoors. --- Got questions about schoolwork? Want to share answers, or discuss your studies? Come to Homework Helpers! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1060-homework-helpers <cite>Frostshock posted [p:891522946] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>They can make this the law if they want. No tech company will comply, they'd sooner stop selling in Germany. The car companies would probably comply though, and lord knows their security is already garbage without deliberate backdoors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 12/03/17 4:13:51 PM #16:	Love how people pretend that Government cares about self-imposed limits on their own authority. --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QYvqDr7kCo <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:891522990] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Love how people pretend that Government cares about self-imposed limits on their own authority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 12/03/17 4:18:01 PM #17:	Vyrulisse posted... Love how people pretend that Government cares about self-imposed limits on their own authority. @Antifar @hockeybub89 --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891523223] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Love how people pretend that Government cares about self-imposed limits on their own authority.</quote> @Antifar @hockeybub89</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/03/17 4:19:59 PM #18:	Oshawottownage posted... Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort. Who governs the Government --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:891523340] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Oshawottownage posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort.</quote> Who governs the Government</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 12/03/17 4:20:20 PM #19:	UnfairRepresent posted... Oshawottownage posted... Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort. Who governs the Government "More Government!" - leftists --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891523366] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Oshawottownage posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort.</quote> Who governs the Government</quote> "More Government!" - leftists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkDragon400 12/03/17 4:23:17 PM #20:	Also, if the government has backdoor access, then malicious hackers also have backdoor access. --- http://i.imgur.com/Zkq2JUS.png http://i.imgur.com/AS9KUto.jpg <cite>DarkDragon400 posted [p:891523559] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Also, if the government has backdoor access, then malicious hackers also have backdoor access.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/03/17 4:24:49 PM #21:	DarkDragon400 posted... Also, if the government has backdoor access, then malicious hackers also have backdoor access. THIS A backdoor for anyone, is also a backdoor for everyone. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891523651] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkDragon400 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, if the government has backdoor access, then malicious hackers also have backdoor access.</quote> THIS A backdoor for anyone, is also a backdoor for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 12/03/17 4:25:01 PM #22:	Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea, but the execution. Reconnoiter and surveil people suspected of a crime? Sure. All it takes is a corrupted government official/police officer to seriously infringe on a person's right to privacy. Shit like this makes me want to go back to the veritable stone age when it comes to tech. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:891523669] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea, but the execution. Reconnoiter and surveil people suspected of a crime? Sure. All it takes is a corrupted government official/police officer to seriously infringe on a person's right to privacy. Shit like this makes me want to go back to the veritable stone age when it comes to tech.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oshawottownage 12/03/17 4:26:13 PM #23:	DarkDragon400 posted... Also, if the government has backdoor access, then malicious hackers also have backdoor access. This. Just watch next year they are going to be like why is cybercrime up 666%? Eh probably video games. Lets ban em --- I am definitely not an alt. Official oshawott of the 3DS board <cite>Oshawottownage posted [p:891523745] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkDragon400 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, if the government has backdoor access, then malicious hackers also have backdoor access.</quote> This. Just watch next year they are going to be like why is cybercrime up 666%? Eh probably video games. Lets ban em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 12/03/17 4:28:07 PM #24:	Alucard188 posted... Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea, but the execution. Reconnoiter and surveil people suspected of a crime? Sure. All it takes is a corrupted government official/police officer to seriously infringe on a person's right to privacy. Shit like this makes me want to go back to the veritable stone age when it comes to tech. There's a clear solution that doesn't involve going back to a more primitive time. And that is to prioritize individualism and individual freedoms and rights, at all times and at all levels of government. Politicians need to know that fighting against individuals and individual rights/freedoms is the same as treason against the country. Fear mongering about "muh terrorism" be damned. --- but Marxist theory is extremely consistent, both internally and with reality. -averagejeol <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:891523844] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alucard188 posted...</cite> <quote>Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea, but the execution. Reconnoiter and surveil people suspected of a crime? Sure. All it takes is a corrupted government official/police officer to seriously infringe on a person's right to privacy. Shit like this makes me want to go back to the veritable stone age when it comes to tech.</quote> There's a clear solution that doesn't involve going back to a more primitive time. And that is to prioritize individualism and individual freedoms and rights, at all times and at all levels of government. Politicians need to know that fighting against individuals and individual rights/freedoms is the same as treason against the country. Fear mongering about "muh terrorism" be damned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thompson 12/03/17 5:12:32 PM #25:	I feel that this video is very pertinent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINVwWHlzTY --- Sigs are rather pointless, except if it's to showcase animation and images. <cite>Thompson posted [p:891526255] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>I feel that this video is very pertinent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINVwWHlzTY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 12/03/17 5:15:49 PM #26:	https://www.indy100.com/article/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-leader-of-the-free-world-climate-change-economy-7768701 --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:891526445] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>https://www.indy100.com/article/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-leader-of-the-free-world-climate-change-economy-7768701</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/03/17 5:17:37 PM #27:	Alucard188 posted... Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea, :/ --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:891526552] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alucard188 posted...</cite> <quote>Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea,</quote> :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 12/03/17 5:21:54 PM #28:	Germans elected liberal lawmakers in droves. They deserve the big brother government they voted for. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:891526797] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Germans elected liberal lawmakers in droves. They deserve the big brother government they voted for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hicks233 12/03/17 5:24:15 PM #29:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Alucard188 posted... Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea, but the execution. Reconnoiter and surveil people suspected of a crime? Sure. All it takes is a corrupted government official/police officer to seriously infringe on a person's right to privacy. Shit like this makes me want to go back to the veritable stone age when it comes to tech. There's a clear solution that doesn't involve going back to a more primitive time. And that is to prioritize individualism and individual freedoms and rights, at all times and at all levels of government. Politicians need to know that fighting against individuals and individual rights/freedoms is the same as treason against the country. Fear mongering about "muh terrorism" be damned. The problem with putting the individual above all is you end up with a society of obnoxious and self important arseholes, always in a hurry that won't support one another and believe they are the centre of the universe. How about encouraging rights and responsibilities, keeping people at all levels accountable and slowing things down a bit. --- http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=9458 So says Mr. Stewart. <cite>Hicks233 posted [p:891526932] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alucard188 posted...</cite> <quote>Every country wants to spy on its citizens. The problem isn't the idea, but the execution. Reconnoiter and surveil people suspected of a crime? Sure. All it takes is a corrupted government official/police officer to seriously infringe on a person's right to privacy. Shit like this makes me want to go back to the veritable stone age when it comes to tech.</quote> There's a clear solution that doesn't involve going back to a more primitive time. And that is to prioritize individualism and individual freedoms and rights, at all times and at all levels of government. Politicians need to know that fighting against individuals and individual rights/freedoms is the same as treason against the country. Fear mongering about "muh terrorism" be damned.</quote> The problem with putting the individual above all is you end up with a society of obnoxious and self important arseholes, always in a hurry that won't support one another and believe they are the centre of the universe. How about encouraging rights and responsibilities, keeping people at all levels accountable and slowing things down a bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/03/17 5:32:57 PM #30:	Thompson posted... I feel that this video is very pertinent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINVwWHlzTY I've watched three or four of this guy's videos now, just now. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891527471] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thompson posted...</cite> <quote>I feel that this video is very pertinent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINVwWHlzTY</quote> I've watched three or four of this guy's videos now, just now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/17 5:43:46 PM #31:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Vyrulisse posted... Love how people pretend that Government cares about self-imposed limits on their own authority. @Antifar @hockeybub89 "Government" is a nebulous idea. I am a proponent in huge change in how a country like the United States operates. I just don't think relying on the mythical free market would be the solution. You can make a government that is for the people. Businesses and individual people will never have that obligation. We need the obligation. I don't know where you got this idea that I support anything that "government" does. What the fuck would you even call such a person that likes any and all "government". The only place we know they wouldn't fall on the political spectrum is anarchy --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:891528068] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Love how people pretend that Government cares about self-imposed limits on their own authority.</quote> @Antifar @hockeybub89</quote> "Government" is a nebulous idea. I am a proponent in huge change in how a country like the United States operates. I just don't think relying on the mythical free market would be the solution. You can make a government that is for the people. Businesses and individual people will never have that obligation. We need the obligation. I don't know where you got this idea that I support anything that "government" does. What the fuck would you even call such a person that likes any and all "government". The only place we know they wouldn't fall on the political spectrum is anarchy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/03/17 5:45:42 PM #32:	hockeybub89 posted... Businesses and individual people will never have that obligation. Businesses and individual people are the people. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891528175] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Businesses and individual people will never have that obligation. </quote> Businesses and individual people are the people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/03/17 5:58:46 PM #33:	Frostshock posted... No tech company will comply Lol This has already happened. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:891528885] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Frostshock posted...</cite> <quote>No tech company will comply</quote> Lol This has already happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/17 6:01:34 PM #34:	Questionmarktarius posted... hockeybub89 posted... Businesses and individual people will never have that obligation. Businesses and individual people are the people. What I mean is we can't expect businesses and individuals to support the so-called greater good. A business will always look out for its bottom line and shareholders above all. A government beholden to their special interests will do the same. That's why the solution is to fix the government, not go all ancap or Rand. Big businesses are too established for the free market to be anything more than a myth. They have no incentive to compete or innovate and handing them the keys will only solidify their grip on the markets. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:891529039] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> Businesses and individual people will never have that obligation. </quote> Businesses and individual people are the people.</quote> What I mean is we can't expect businesses and individuals to support the so-called greater good. A business will always look out for its bottom line and shareholders above all. A government beholden to their special interests will do the same. That's why the solution is to fix the government, not go all ancap or Rand. Big businesses are too established for the free market to be anything more than a myth. They have no incentive to compete or innovate and handing them the keys will only solidify their grip on the markets.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 12/03/17 6:02:22 PM #35:	THIS is why we are ending net neutrality, for those who don't understand. --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:891529079] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>THIS is why we are ending net neutrality, for those who don't understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 12/03/17 6:10:42 PM #36:	southcoast09 posted... THIS is why we are ending net neutrality, for those who don't understand. This is nothing to do with net neutrality. The US spying laws exist independent of that (e.g. Patriot Act). The FCC doesn't have the power to implement such a thing. The corporations that repealing net neutrality will empower though? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/five-ways-cybersecurity-will-suffer-if-congress-repeals-fcc-privacy-rules <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:891529540] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>THIS is why we are ending net neutrality, for those who don't understand.</quote> This is nothing to do with net neutrality. The US spying laws exist independent of that (e.g. Patriot Act). The FCC doesn't have the power to implement such a thing. The corporations that repealing net neutrality will empower though? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/five-ways-cybersecurity-will-suffer-if-congress-repeals-fcc-privacy-rules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Powdered_Toast 12/03/17 6:24:57 PM #37:	Make sure not to have the wrong opinion while in a self driving car. --- Want some rye? 'Course ya do! <cite>Powdered_Toast posted [p:891530316] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Make sure not to have the wrong opinion while in a self driving car.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmonAmarth 12/03/17 6:26:01 PM #38:	germans have a history of bad leaders and supporting them. that goes back to 1933. but doesnt the cia/nsa also do this? --- i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ \| GA-Z97-HD3 \| ASUS GTX 960 2GB \| Samsung 850 EVO 250GB \| 1TB HDD \| CX750M \| 12GB DDR3 <cite>AmonAmarth posted [p:891530366] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>germans have a history of bad leaders and supporting them. that goes back to 1933. but doesnt the cia/nsa also do this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaytlessHearts 12/03/17 10:03:34 PM #39:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Why do German politicians like doing evil things? Hmmmmm. WW2? Sounds like this kind of thinking is pretty frequent in Germany. --- "To be forgotten is worse than death..." -Freya <cite>FaytlessHearts posted [p:891542002] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>Why do German politicians like doing evil things?</quote> Hmmmmm. WW2? Sounds like this kind of thinking is pretty frequent in Germany.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 12/03/17 10:16:46 PM #40:	Let me guess, they will want the entire EU to adopt this new standard as well? The EU really is the Fourth Reich. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:891542776] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Let me guess, they will want the entire EU to adopt this new standard as well? The EU really is the Fourth Reich.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/04/17 4:50:51 AM #41:	Sativa_Rose posted... Let me guess, they will want the entire EU to adopt this new standard as well? The EU really is the Fourth Reich. uhuh --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:891556856] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>Let me guess, they will want the entire EU to adopt this new standard as well? The EU really is the Fourth Reich.</quote> uhuh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 12/04/17 5:15:57 AM #42:	On the one hand, I don't want the goberment to read my messages On the other hand, if I was a g-man, I'd want to be able to read peoples' messages --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:891557306] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>On the one hand, I don't want the goberment to read my messages On the other hand, if I was a g-man, I'd want to be able to read peoples' messages</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 12/04/17 6:36:26 AM #43:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... On the other hand, if I was a g-man, I'd want to be able to read peoples' messages No I don't. >_> <_< --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:891558680] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>On the other hand, if I was a g-man, I'd want to be able to read peoples' messages</quote> No I don't. >_> <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/04/17 7:08:46 AM #44:	Everyone just copying Britain and our invasive internet laws --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:891559320] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Everyone just copying Britain and our invasive internet laws</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/04/17 8:12:13 AM #45:	Funkydog posted... Everyone just copying Britain and our invasive internet laws Welcome to the new world --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:891560797] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone just copying Britain and our invasive internet laws</quote> Welcome to the new world</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/04/17 9:18:57 AM #46:	UnfairRepresent posted... Funkydog posted... Everyone just copying Britain and our invasive internet laws Welcome to the new world But Britain has suffered no terrorist attacks since the government were allowed to spy on literally everything we do on the internet, and the children were kept safe from pornography (as we had no way at all to stop children seeing things on the internet before sadly) so it is all worth it, right? --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:891562789] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone just copying Britain and our invasive internet laws</quote> Welcome to the new world</quote> But Britain has suffered no terrorist attacks since the government were allowed to spy on literally everything we do on the internet, and the children were kept safe from pornography (as we had no way at all to stop children seeing things on the internet before sadly) so it is all worth it, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 12/04/17 3:27:28 PM #47:	Good lord some of you need to take your fucking meds --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:891581357] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>Good lord some of you need to take your fucking meds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 12/04/17 3:29:06 PM #48:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Oshawottownage posted... Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort. Agreed. The politicians who are trying to make this happen should be tried for treason and executed or imprisoned for life. Calm down there bro --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:891581493] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Oshawottownage posted...</cite> <quote> Honestly it should be considered a crime against humanity to pass laws of this sort.</quote> Agreed. The politicians who are trying to make this happen should be tried for treason and executed or imprisoned for life.</quote> Calm down there bro</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 12/04/17 4:03:16 PM #49:	RebelElite791 posted... Good lord some of you need to take your fucking meds But I only have a prescription of nedizapine prescribed by Dr. Lolno in 1942 back when Mickey Mouse was still banging Ivanka Trump in a Moscow subway --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:891583786] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Good lord some of you need to take your fucking meds</quote> But I only have a prescription of nedizapine prescribed by Dr. Lolno in 1942 back when Mickey Mouse was still banging Ivanka Trump in a Moscow subway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Returning_CEmen 12/04/17 4:06:36 PM #50:	How hard will Germany fall now with public perception? I knew they wouldn't be able to handle the top spot for very long LMAO. --- http://i.imgtc.com/BOhYeOg.jpg <cite>Returning_CEmen posted [p:891584030] in German gov... [t:76058187]...</cite> <quote>How hard will Germany fall now with public perception? I knew they wouldn't be able to handle the top spot for very long LMAO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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