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This is sick, I missed out on this case when it eaa on going but they just showed a body cam video of it. This is just straight up disgusting.

http://www.azfamily.com/story/37024282/mesa-police-release-dramatic-body-camera-video-following-brailsford-verdict

Im waiting to get my haircut and I watched this body. Cam footage on TMZ (gross, I know) and its just outright appalling. I cant believe he was found not guilty of murder. I dont even see how that could be as low as manslaughter if they go for that, he just straight up murdered someone.
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Damn that's sad
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Xelltrix posted...

This is sick, I missed out on this case when it eaa on going but they just showed a body cam video of it. This is just straight up disgusting.

http://www.azfamily.com/story/37024282/mesa-police-release-dramatic-body-camera-video-following-brailsford-verdict

Im waiting to get my haircut and I watched this body. Cam footage on TMZ (gross, I know) and its just outright appalling. I cant believe he was found not guilty of murder. I dont even see how that could be as low as manslaughter if they go for that, he just straight up murdered someone.

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

wow, that was murder plain and simple.
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_RETS_ posted...

Xelltrix posted...

This is sick, I missed out on this case when it eaa on going but they just showed a body cam video of it. This is just straight up disgusting.

http://www.azfamily.com/story/37024282/mesa-police-release-dramatic-body-camera-video-following-brailsford-verdict

Im waiting to get my haircut and I watched this body. Cam footage on TMZ (gross, I know) and its just outright appalling. I cant believe he was found not guilty of murder. I dont even see how that could be as low as manslaughter if they go for that, he just straight up murdered someone.

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

Fuck that. You don't get to kill someone because you terrorized and disoriented them and made a move that can be interpreted any way the killer wants. The dead man did nothing wrong and should never have been put in that situation. And it's clear that the cop had an agenda and was continually escalating the situation and giving contradictory orders by his own incompetence, which he was fired for not long thereafter.

Add to that that these jokers had no idea what they were doing. They were getting frustrated by their own disorganization.

It's protected by law and it absolutely should not be.

Not to mention the cop had "You're Fucked" engraved on his barrel, which the judge did not admit into evidence.

So while I don't think you're stupid, this

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

is an incredibly stupid and callous thing to say.
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That family is going to get a looooooot of money. No way you see that footage in a civil trial and not award them
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berlyman101 posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Xelltrix posted...

This is sick, I missed out on this case when it eaa on going but they just showed a body cam video of it. This is just straight up disgusting.

http://www.azfamily.com/story/37024282/mesa-police-release-dramatic-body-camera-video-following-brailsford-verdict

Im waiting to get my haircut and I watched this body. Cam footage on TMZ (gross, I know) and its just outright appalling. I cant believe he was found not guilty of murder. I dont even see how that could be as low as manslaughter if they go for that, he just straight up murdered someone.

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

Fuck that. You don't get to kill someone because you terrorized and disoriented them and made a move that can be interpreted any way the killer wants. The dead man did nothing wrong and should never have been put in that situation. And it's clear that the cop had an agenda and was continually escalating the situation and giving contradictory orders by his own incompetence, which he was fired for not long thereafter.

Add to that that these jokers had no idea what they were doing. They were getting frustrated by their own disorganization.

It's protected by law and it absolutely should not be.

Not to mention the cop had "You're Fucked" engraved on his barrel, which the judge did not admit into evidence.

So while I don't think you're stupid, this

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

is an incredibly stupid and callous thing to say.

Nothing I said was wrong. The guy was seen with a rifle through a hotel window with another person, and hotel guests that saw this rightfully reported it to the police, who showed up expecting at least 1 armed individual.

So far, all is normal.

Had the guy continued crawling how we was, he wouldn't have been shot. He made an obvious and abrupt reach for his waistband for whatever reason, which literally anyone could reasonably perceive as a reach for a weapon especially after credible reports of an armed individual.

There was nothing confusing about "crawl to me" and he was doing just fine until he reached for his waist.

All this "crawling, groveling for his life" bullshit is emotional appeal. Nothing about crying for his life prevents him from also drawing a weapon and using it. Or do you think it's unprecedented that shooters feign compliance before drawing their weapon? Yeah, it sucks it went the way it did. But you can't make a sudden movement toward your waistband and not expect to get shot.

Again, it sucks and there are no winners. But a murder charge is completely baseless.

Police getting away with murder yet again. I'm sure the jury was filled with people of the opinion that police can do no wrong. Fucking disgusting

I feel like I'd have acted the same way as the victim, that's kind of scary.
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But remember, only police should have guns and private citizens should just call the police if they're ever being attacked or if anyone is invading their home.

According to leftists on CE.
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The guy reached for his waist, after the police officer had already warned him twice not to, it is a damn shame he died for something as simple as this, but the police had a reason to fire, imo. For all they knew he coulda been reaching for a gun.
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Mister_Spyker posted...

The guy reached for his waist, after the police officer had already warned him twice not to, it is a damn shame he died for something as simple as this, but the police had a reason to fire, imo. For all they knew he coulda been reaching for a gun.

are tasers no longer a thing?
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@Villain

There are leftists here who want to ban firearms entirely.
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_RETS_ posted...

All this "crawling, groveling for his life" bulls*** is emotional appeal.

lol

FLUFFYGERM posted...

@Villain

There are leftists here who want to ban firearms entirely.

what does that have to do with what happened here?
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He reached for his wasteband. You, as a cop, have a split second to make up your mind. Put yourselves in their shoes.
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*lives in Mesa*
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Villain posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

@Villain

There are leftists here who want to ban firearms entirely.

what does that have to do with what happened here?

They abused their power and gunned down an innocent person for no real reason.
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So are you arguing that the leftists are right and firearms should be banned entirely?
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DirkDiggles posted...

He reached for his wasteband. You, as a cop, have a split second to make up your mind. Put yourselves in their shoes.

"lay on the ground with your hands behind your back"

thats the first thing i would do if i was ever in this situation, a cop pointing a gun, regardless of their requests

Officer sounded like he was on a power trip.
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Villain posted...

So are you arguing that the leftists are right and firearms should be banned entirely?

No you illiterate, I'm arguing that giving the state a monopoly on violence would be absolutely insane.
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What I do think is that they should have been more clear in the orders they gave. "Put your hands up and crawl towards me" is a very contradicting statement.
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Axiom posted...

Police getting away with murder yet again. I'm sure the jury was filled with people of the opinion that police can do no wrong. Fucking disgusting

There may have been some people like that in the jury but more likely reasonable people were coerced into the verdict with the open-interpretation laws that direct cases like these.

There was nothing confusing about "crawl to me" and he was doing just fine until he reached for his waist.

All this "crawling, groveling for his life" bullshit is emotional appeal. Nothing about crying for his life prevents him from also drawing a weapon and using it. Or do you think it's unprecedented that shooters feign compliance before drawing their weapon? Yeah, it sucks it went the way it did. But you can't make a sudden movement toward your waistband and not expect to get shot.

The guy was being screamed at with a gun in his face. Any time he asked for clarification he was told to shut up and that he would be shot. I myself was thinking along with the deceased and when he said to crawl to him he was still under order to keep his hands straight up in the air. Does that mean put your hands on the floor? Inch toward him on your knees? He was likely going through the same confusion and yet had no way of communicating without fearing for being shot.

You call what you saw emotional appeal? If so it's completely reasonable to be begging for your life and especially because he was swiss cheesed for making a mistake. Holding a gun to a person and telling them not to fuck up and then murdering them should not be protected by extremely vague laws.

You're saying, "sucks that he died" when the officers were the ones who were incompetent. That creates an environment where people fear these lunatics with good reason and don't trust them and this cycle of incompetence, judicial failure, and senseless death continues.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

But remember, only police should have guns and private citizens should just call the police if they're ever being attacked or if anyone is invading their home.

According to leftists on CE.

Let's not forget:

"Lol at anyone who thinks the government might ever go tyrannical some day. You're a nutjob."

5 minutes later

"The police are murdering civilians with no consequences!"
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

giving the state a monopoly on violence

Hate to break it to ya but this has been the case since the beginning of government.
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lilORANG posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

giving the state a monopoly on violence

Hate to break it to ya but this has been the case since the beginning of government.

No, that's wrong. The American government does NOT have a monopoly violence. That's why private citizens can protect their loved ones, their property, and themselves with deadly force. We have a 2nd amendment which guarantees this as a right.
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_RETS_ posted...

Xelltrix posted...

This is sick, I missed out on this case when it eaa on going but they just showed a body cam video of it. This is just straight up disgusting.

http://www.azfamily.com/story/37024282/mesa-police-release-dramatic-body-camera-video-following-brailsford-verdict

Im waiting to get my haircut and I watched this body. Cam footage on TMZ (gross, I know) and its just outright appalling. I cant believe he was found not guilty of murder. I dont even see how that could be as low as manslaughter if they go for that, he just straight up murdered someone.

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

Agreed.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

But remember, only police should have guns and private citizens should just call the police if they're ever being attacked or if anyone is invading their home.

According to leftists on CE.

Would him having a gun have helped in this scenario?
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Anteaterking posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

But remember, only police should have guns and private citizens should just call the police if they're ever being attacked or if anyone is invading their home.

According to leftists on CE.

Would him having a gun have helped in this scenario?

No, I'm just saying that the people here who say we should ban guns and rely exclusively on police for protection...are ignoramuses.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

lilORANG posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

giving the state a monopoly on violence

Hate to break it to ya but this has been the case since the beginning of government.

No, that's wrong. The American government does NOT have a monopoly violence. That's why private citizens can protect their loved ones, their property, and themselves with deadly force. We have a 2nd amendment which guarantees this as a right.

The 2nd Amendment lets you have a gun if you want one. Self-defense laws are not derived from the 2nd amendment lol. Self-defense is recognized in basically every culture. And good luck showing self-defense against a cop.

The state is the only entity that can proactively use force. and that's how it should be. Even that power should be heavily restricted.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Villain posted...

So are you arguing that the leftists are right and firearms should be banned entirely?

No you illiterate, I'm arguing that giving the state a monopoly on violence would be absolutely insane.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Villain

There are leftists here who want to ban firearms entirely.

that would include the state genius
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berlyman101 posted...

You're saying, "sucks that he died" when the officers were the ones who were incompetent.

*Sees guy get shot for reaching for his waistband after many order of the cops telling him not to do so.*

Yep, the officer is the incompetent one.....
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lilORANG posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

lilORANG posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

giving the state a monopoly on violence

Hate to break it to ya but this has been the case since the beginning of government.

No, that's wrong. The American government does NOT have a monopoly violence. That's why private citizens can protect their loved ones, their property, and themselves with deadly force. We have a 2nd amendment which guarantees this as a right.

The 2nd Amendment lets you have a gun if you want one. Self-defense laws are not derived from the 2nd amendment lol. Self-defense is recognized in basically every culture. And good luck showing self-defense against a cop.

The state is the only entity that can proactively use force. and that's how it should be. Even that power should be heavily restricted.

Nah there are some countries that outright ban using pepper spray for self defense. like Canada. Saying that self defense is recognized in every culture isn't entirely accurate, and reasonable people can understand how the 2nd amendment plays into the concept of self defense.

the 2nd amendment exists for self defense and tyranny prevention. so it's directly related to self defense as a concept, and it proves that the government does NOT have a monopoly on violence. the constitution justifies privatized violence when it is necessary for self defense and fighting against tyranny. basic histor.y
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Pigs gonna oink.
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berlyman101 posted...

Axiom posted...

Police getting away with murder yet again. I'm sure the jury was filled with people of the opinion that police can do no wrong. Fucking disgusting

There may have been some people like that in the jury but more likely reasonable people were coerced into the verdict with the open-interpretation laws that direct cases like these.

There was nothing confusing about "crawl to me" and he was doing just fine until he reached for his waist.

All this "crawling, groveling for his life" bullshit is emotional appeal. Nothing about crying for his life prevents him from also drawing a weapon and using it. Or do you think it's unprecedented that shooters feign compliance before drawing their weapon? Yeah, it sucks it went the way it did. But you can't make a sudden movement toward your waistband and not expect to get shot.

The guy was being screamed at with a gun in his face. Any time he asked for clarification he was told to shut up and that he would be shot. I myself was thinking along with the deceased and when he said to crawl to him he was still under order to keep his hands straight up in the air. Does that mean put your hands on the floor? Inch toward him on your knees? He was likely going through the same confusion and yet had no way of communicating without fearing for being shot.

You call what you saw emotional appeal? If so it's completely reasonable to be begging for your life and especially because he was swiss cheesed for making a mistake. Holding a gun to a person and telling them not to fuck up and then murdering them should not be protected by extremely vague laws.

You're saying, "sucks that he died" when the officers were the ones who were incompetent. That creates an environment where people fear these lunatics with good reason and don't trust them and this cycle of incompetence, judicial failure, and senseless death continues.

Yes it is a high tension situation. It is for the officer as well. Reports were the guy was armed because he was seen with a gun. There was no indication that he had no gun on him.

He reached suddenly for his waistband.

If you're the cop, 10 times of 10 you would shoot as well. You wait long enough to see what the suspect is rapidly reaching for and you're dead. That's why it is ill advised to make rabid movements at all, much less reach for your waist.

I'm not calling what I saw emotional appeal. I'm saying headlines saying "man crying for his life shot dead by police" is emotional appeal tp manipulate people into immediately siding against the police.

Nothing about crying limits someone from still reaching for a gun or firing on an officer. The crying and begging part is irrelevant.

The only relevant points are:

- Man is seen in hotel window with rifle with another person
- other patrons see this and justifiably call the police
-police respond to reported armed suspect
- police order suspect down and then suspect is ordered to crawl toward officer for apprehension
- suspect, still justifiably presumed to be armed, reached rapidly for waist band
- officer fires upon seeing this action

These are the objective facts. Any hurt, knowing these facts and seeing them in video would also acquit.

It is a horrible outcome, but the jury made the right call. It wasn't murder. It was a cop reacting to a reportedly armed suspect that reached for their waist.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

and reasonable people can understand how the 2nd amendment plays into the concept of self defense.

yes, a reasonable person can make the connection between guns and their potential defense value. I was addressing your erroneous claim that the 2nd Amendment protects our self-defense rights. It has nothing to do with them.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Nah there are some countries that outright ban using pepper spray for self defense. like Canada.

I'm not gonna bother looking up every country's law but I found this after 1 second of googling
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Law/Defences/Self-Defence_and_Defence_of_Another

so I'm gonna call bs on that.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

the constitution justifies privatized violence when it is necessary for self defense and fighting against tyranny

Again, where does it say this? You can have a gun. That's it. You can't proactively use it. Battered wives aren't even allowed to kill their husbands unless they are in the midst of a beating. Your ability to lawfully use violence is limited to however your state defines self-defense, and that's basically how every country works. No, the government isn't inviting rebellion if you accuse it of being tyrannical. You'd be shut down immediately, and if you fought back you'd be arrested for resisting arrest or shot.
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I just wish you guys would be this outraged when a minority is killed by the police.
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twitterfriends posted...

I just wish you guys would be this outraged when a minority is killed by the police.

I am.
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the guy was drunk, was being yelled at he was going to be shot, hes crying and to top that off is fumbling with insanely stupid orders by the cop. from crawling it looked like his pants were coming down and he was going to pull them up instinctively. his hand even CAME BACK with nothing in it a split second before the cop opened fire.

im not going to say it was flat out murder since it was a fraction of a second decision, but he should not have gotten off. the douchebag dust cover doesnt help and the other barking insane orders in a "im gonna kill you" attitude didnt help either. the whole notion that the guy while on his knees in a hallway would also pull a gun (pistol no less) out on 6 fucking cops (atleast one with a rifle) pointing guns at him is also nuts.
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The cop set up the situation to shoot someone. He was overly aggressive and gave contradictory instructions while telling him to shut the fuck up. Cop had "you're fucked" ingraved on his gun, which was inadmissable in the trial. Clearly he had issues.

Guess some of you have never faced fear on this level, but it can totally paralyze you, especially given a person reaffirming several times you will get shot and killed for any mistakes. Processing goes out the window. He was pulling up his pants because he would have fell sideways while crawling, which the cop reaffirmed had to be "face first" or he'd be shot.

Dude had no escape. They should have called for more backup and left the guy on the floor till he was cuffed.
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twitterfriends posted...

I just wish you guys would be this outraged when a minority is killed by the police.

um, it's the opposite. Minority shootings (justifiably) get tons of attention and mass protests. This sort of stuff gets pushed aside.

Police brutality is an issue for everyone.
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The only relevant points are:

- Man is seen in hotel window with rifle with another person
- other patrons see this and justifiably call the police
-police respond to reported armed suspect
- police order suspect down and then suspect is ordered to crawl toward officer for apprehension
- suspect, still justifiably presumed to be armed, reached rapidly for waist band
- officer fires upon seeing this action

The officer's actions, which included disorienting a terrified person, led to the outcome. It was absolutely incompetent at best and malicious at worst. The killing should not be protected by law because there was no reason for it. If so, it would not have taken six weeks and evidence withholding for the jury to reach their verdict. Inferring that the officer had any reason to shoot him in that situation is not an objective fact.

It's easy to see that this was a case of outdated and intentionally vague laws protecting an incompetent aggressor. Everything around this case, including the firing of the officer for unrelated reasons (supposedly), the withholding of the video to the public, and full acquittal despite the former officer's reckless actions scream unfairness and power imbalance. Hopefully, this spurs legal change along with several similar cases but I doubt it.
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So there are six fucking cops in that hallway and you guys are justifying the order to crawl towards the cops instead of, say, having one go and apprehend the fucking guy while he's on his knees with his hands up?

Unknown5uspect posted...

So there are six fucking cops in that hallway and you guys are justifying the order to crawl towards the cops instead of, say, having one go and apprehend the fucking guy while he's on his knees with his hands up?

you arnt going to send someone into that hallway with rooms to the sides for someone laying on the ground between them that may or may not be the suspect called on who had a potential gun. thats why they had him crawl so they could have eyes on the hall as well.
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He was reaching for his waistband it looks like, could have been seen as getting a weapon out.
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Dark_Spiret posted...

Unknown5uspect posted...

So there are six fucking cops in that hallway and you guys are justifying the order to crawl towards the cops instead of, say, having one go and apprehend the fucking guy while he's on his knees with his hands up?

you arnt going to send someone into that hallway with open rooms to the side for someone laying on the ground between them that may or may not be the suspect called on who had a potential gun. thats why they had him crawl so they could have eyes on the hall as well.

Six officers can secure the hallway in the distance between the one with the camera and the victim. Saying they wouldn't be able to do that is a bit of a stretch.

Proudclad, not saying I want guns banned, but what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Nothing was preventing him from having a gun and he would have been absolutely fucked if he pulled one on a cop. You just have to find a way to constantly push your right-wing ancap dystopia.
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