Board 8 > So that Net Neutrality vote is happening now right?

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Tomba42
12/15/17 2:17:09 PM
#101:


It's hard for some people to understand that some people want to work within the system rather than dismantle it. >_>
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banananor
12/15/17 2:29:22 PM
#102:


yeah, at least there is some accountability for the leaders of a democracy

not so much for the president of a corporation

'but what about X' doesn't work in this situation
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SmartMuffin
12/15/17 2:51:07 PM
#103:


yeah, at least there is some accountability for the leaders of a democracy

not so much for the president of a corporation


This is the exact opposite of reality.
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Vlado
12/15/17 3:10:09 PM
#104:


metroid composite posted...
Net neutrality is the rule that prevents internet censorship.

Imagine actually believing this while any right-wing site is buried in google results, gets popup warnings on facebook, and has its writers banned on twitter.

Hopefully this forces anti-human corporations like google to reduce their profits significantly by being forced to pay the ISPs a fair share like they wouldn't under "net neutrality."

But most likely any change will only be for the worse of normal people.
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Inviso
12/15/17 3:11:49 PM
#105:


Please Vlado. Enlighten us. How is it Net Neutrality's fault that Google search optimization allegedly "censors" opinions you're rather hear than facts?
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ExThaNemesis
12/15/17 3:14:44 PM
#106:


foolm0r0n posted...
I already got my PM from Sballen saying I need to pony up $4500 to vote in the next contest


*sells everything I own just to vote against Undertale*
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Kenri
12/15/17 3:20:04 PM
#107:


SmartMuffin posted...
Like, seriously, maybe in all these arguments where you guys loudly insist that "the state" is more moral, just, and fair than Comcast, you consider replacing the words "the state" with "Donald Trump" and see if you still feel that way?

wasn't a huge part of trump's platform about running the US like a business
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Mr Lasastryke
12/15/17 3:25:20 PM
#108:


Vlado posted...
Imagine actually believing this while any right-wing site is buried in google results, gets popup warnings on facebook, and has its writers banned on twitter.


*googles infowars*

first result: infowars

wow, they're doing a terrific job at burying right-wing sites in the search results.
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NFUN
12/15/17 3:26:50 PM
#109:


So, since the State can be bought and corrupted by corporate interests, we shouldn't trust the State but instead trust the corporations that are bribing them?
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 4:41:57 PM
#110:


banananor posted...
yeah, at least there is some accountability for the leaders of a democracy

not so much for the president of a corporation

'but what about X' doesn't work in this situation


lol post of the year
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 4:45:11 PM
#111:


NFUN posted...
So, since the State can be bought and corrupted by corporate interests, we shouldn't trust the State but instead trust the corporations that are bribing them?


Yes. Because the state affords them power and control. You're not actually trusting corporations in the latter scenario, you're trusting consumers to make decisions in their own self interest. Which is 100% better than hoping the government DOESNT act in its own self interest.
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foolm0r0n
12/15/17 4:53:16 PM
#112:


Holy shit Vlado really let his topic purge because he was too afraid to answer my question about Sweden and now he's here pretending it never happened
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 4:53:55 PM
#113:


The Vlado Treatment 2.0
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SantaRPidgey
12/15/17 4:58:28 PM
#114:


Punnyz posted...
Forgive my ignorance, but we lost Net Neutrality. What does that mean?

We have to pay for internet twice now?


Internet is either going to get cheaper, or stay the same.

Chances are its going to stay the same
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SantaRPidgey
12/15/17 5:00:01 PM
#115:


banananor posted...
yeah, at least there is some accountability for the leaders of a democracy

not so much for the president of a corporation

'but what about X' doesn't work in this situation


One you can voluntarily stop funding without being put in jail
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Kenri
12/15/17 5:02:38 PM
#116:


SantaRPidgey posted...
One you can voluntarily stop funding without being put in jail

Being in jail might be preferable to not "funding" any corporations anymore for the rest of your life.
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SantaRPidgey
12/15/17 5:06:24 PM
#117:


I haven't paid a dime to any corporation I've found unethical since 2010 (besides visa, of whom I've cut a bit of money from, but haven't cut off completely)

its super easy and I haven't seen any drop in quality of life
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:07:13 PM
#118:


SantaRPidgey posted...
I haven't paid a dime to any corporation I've found unethical since 2010 (besides visa, of whom I've cut a bit of money from, but haven't cut off completely)

its super easy and I haven't seen any drop in quality of life


lmao all corporations are unethical. GOT EM
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Kenri
12/15/17 5:09:08 PM
#119:


SantaRPidgey posted...
I haven't paid a dime to any corporation I've found unethical since 2010 (besides visa, of whom I've cut a bit of money from, but haven't cut off completely)

its super easy and I haven't seen any drop in quality of life

that's great for you and also not really relevant
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:09:54 PM
#120:


you didn't ask anything you just said something really dumb
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Kenri
12/15/17 5:10:54 PM
#121:


HotDogButts posted...
you didn't ask anything you just said something really dumb

already fixed mate but thanks for the heads up!
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:12:12 PM
#122:


nah still said something dumb lol
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Kenri
12/15/17 5:14:53 PM
#123:


can't be any dumber than a post pretending it's super easy to just stop supporting corporations, immediately followed by "well the ones i personally don't like, and really not even then"
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:15:28 PM
#124:


it's actually super easy and why would you want to stop supporting a corporation you have nothing against?
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Kenri
12/15/17 5:19:09 PM
#125:


I wouldn't but that's also not what we're talking about.

Anyway if it's so easy hmu with that game plan bruh
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:19:48 PM
#126:


step 1) stop giving money to corporations you don't like

done
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Mr Lasastryke
12/15/17 5:32:12 PM
#127:


what if you dislike all corporations?
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CelesMyUserName
12/15/17 5:32:23 PM
#128:


HotDogButts posted...
step 1) stop giving money to corporations you don't like

done

lmao
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foolm0r0n
12/15/17 5:33:51 PM
#129:


As long as there's 1 step in between your money and the evil corp/govt then it's easy to convince yourself it's okay and not your fault
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SmartMuffin
12/15/17 5:36:45 PM
#130:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
what if you dislike all corporations?


then shut up and build your own internet
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:38:00 PM
#131:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
what if you dislike all corporations?


then don't support any of them

pretty easy
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Mr Lasastryke
12/15/17 5:39:37 PM
#132:


but then i'll starve to death because i can't create my own food :-(
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:40:32 PM
#133:


wow only corporations make food in the netherlands?
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SmartMuffin
12/15/17 5:41:02 PM
#134:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
but then i'll starve to death because i can't create my own food :-(


well then maybe corporations aren't so bad given that without them you'd literally be fucking dead
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Kenri
12/15/17 5:42:39 PM
#135:


SmartMuffin posted...
well then maybe corporations aren't so bad given that without them you'd literally be fucking dead

maybe governments aren't so bad given that without paying them you'd be in jail

really makes you think
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:43:32 PM
#136:


do statists think about anything for more than 1/2 a second
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Mr Lasastryke
12/15/17 5:44:29 PM
#137:


SmartMuffin posted...
well then maybe corporations aren't so bad given that without them you'd literally be fucking dead


yeah, but that's a different argument.

kenri: it's impossible to not support corporations you hate.
people: no you're dumb it's entirely possible.
me: what if you hate all of them?
muffin: then don't support any of them.
me: then i'll die.
muffin: WELL MAYBE THEY'RE NOT SO BAD RIGHT

...yeah ok, but that's not what we were talking about.
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HotDogButts
12/15/17 5:45:13 PM
#138:


you would 100% not die as a result of not supporting corporations
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SantaRPidgey
12/16/17 2:39:31 AM
#139:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
but then i'll starve to death because i can't create my own food :-(


now you see why I'm so into the masses taking farming into their own hands
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SmartMuffin
12/16/17 9:48:37 AM
#140:


SantaRPidgey posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
but then i'll starve to death because i can't create my own food :-(


now you see why I'm so into the masses taking farming into their own hands


hundreds of millions would die
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SantaRPidgey
12/16/17 10:34:39 AM
#141:


SmartMuffin posted...
hundreds of millions would die


should have learned to grow their own food
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FFDragon
12/16/17 10:50:35 AM
#142:


we're due for a good culling right about now anyway
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Vlado
12/16/17 11:06:50 AM
#143:


SmartMuffin posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
but then i'll starve to death because i can't create my own food :-(


well then maybe corporations aren't so bad given that without them you'd literally be fucking dead

No, they're bad. Lasa is just overdramatic. If faced with dire consequences, I'm sure he can learn to at least grow potatoes by himself.
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banananor
12/16/17 11:49:20 AM
#144:


You can vote out a us president/senator/etc

You can't vote out a CEO. Not sure what's so difficult about that.
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banananor
12/16/17 11:51:06 AM
#145:


If you work for a company, you're only beholden to the people who own you financially- bosses, board of trustees, etc

If you've been elected, you are beholden to your constituents
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banananor
12/16/17 11:52:14 AM
#146:


In the fantasy land that some of you apparently live in, you'd rather be ruled by a board of trustees rather than yourself

A literal oligarchy that you wouldn't be invited to lead
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SmartMuffin
12/16/17 12:09:41 PM
#147:


SantaRPidgey posted...
SmartMuffin posted...
hundreds of millions would die


should have learned to grow their own food


shrugging at the death of hundreds of millions?

I didn't know you were a communist!
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banananor
12/16/17 12:17:28 PM
#148:


Ha, good one

Yeah, the citizens of New York City aren't going to suddenly grow their own food supply
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foolm0r0n
12/16/17 12:34:50 PM
#149:


banananor posted...
You can vote out a us president/senator/etc

Why haven't you voted Trump out then you monster

also you can vote out CEOs, that's literally the whole point of a public company
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foolm0r0n
12/16/17 12:49:29 PM
#150:


He's prob not reading the topic anymore but
VintageGin posted...
I actually couldn't find any good examples of this, which is why I asked. Maybe I wasn't searching for the right things.

This article is badly written but it pulls together a good amount of examples, and sources for how fees and regulations multiply the cost of building a local network way more than it should be
https://www.wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/

What the article is missing is that the FCC does have ultimate control over the city's internet regulations, under Title II. This is seen in places where the FCC forced cities to change their limits and last mile policies (ex: https://gizmodo.com/fcc-just-overruled-the-state-laws-that-blocked-municipa-1688200941) in certain cases (lobbying). That is what everyone wanted with Title II and for some reason they never thought about how just 5 dudes at the FCC having power over all this stuff could ever be a bad idea. Even after the net neutrality vote no one thinks the problem is that there's just 5 dudes in control, just that those dudes don't agree with them.
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