Current Events > UK population changes its mind, majority now wish to Remain in the EU

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A new poll has found that support for keeping EU membership is now ten points ahead of support for Brexit. The BMG poll found that 51% of British people would now stay in the EU, while 41% wanted to go ahead with leaving.

It was published on the newspapers website on Saturday, showing the biggest lead for remain over leave in any poll so far since the vote in June 2016. The result is awkward for the government, given as Britain is moving into a second phase of negotiations on exiting the EU, which will focus on trade.

In the referendum last year, 52% of Britons voted to leave the EU and 48% voted to remain.

The head of polling at BMG, quoted in the Independent, said that the reason for the change was a shift in opinion among those who did not vote in last years referendum, while around nine in 10 leave and remain voters were unchanged in their views. Saren

People were surveyed from December 5 to 8. Mike Smithson, an election analyst and former Liberal Democrat politician, said on Twitter it was the biggest lead for Remain since (the EU referendum).

Prime Minister Theresa May this week secured an agreement with the EU to move Brexit talks on to trade and a transition pact, but some European leaders warned that negotiations, which have been arduous so far, could now become tougher.



Millions of people didn't bother to vote when it mattered and now are horrified at the result of an election.

And people say the UK and US have different cultures,
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The UK people have never enjoyed freedom. It only makes sense that it would frighten them and they'd go back.
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They're gonna keep stalling and stalling until they quietly drop the idea of seceding from the EU
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The UK people have never enjoyed freedom. It only makes sense that it would frighten them and they'd go back.

I hate talk like this. Whether or not the UK leaves the EU has no dramatic effect on "Freedom"

That's just shit that people who benefit from leaving say to rile you up.

"I'll make more money" doesn't sell but "Your freedom and immigrants everywhere!" does. Even though its irrelevant.

It's crazy
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only because they are bored of hearing the word Brexit

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.
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nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.
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nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

That wasn't due to Trump it was due to being woefully incompotent and potentially a pedophile
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UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

That wasn't due to Trump it was due to being woefully incompotent and potentially a pedophile

You think Alabama cares about competence or pedophiles? Lol c'mon now, they're Alabama!

No but really, to attribute none of that to backlash against Trump's abortion of a presidency is wrong, it obviously played a part.
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nicklebro posted...

You think Alabama cares about competence or pedophiles? Lol c'mon now, they're Alabama!

No but really, to attribute none of that to backlash against Trump's abortion of a presidency is wrong, it obviously played a part.

So wait...I'm confused.

You're saying Alabama doesn't care that the man was incompetent and a pedophile, they only hated Trump? And *that's* why Moore lost?
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nicklebro posted...

You think Alabama cares about competence or pedophiles? Lol c'mon now, they're Alabama!

No but really, to attribute none of that to backlash against Trump's abortion of a presidency is wrong, it obviously played a part.

It's funny how this post is somehow shitting on Alabama residents for not having moral or professional integrity but also presenting them as somehow being against Trump on some sort of moral or professional grounds.
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nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

Brexit secretary David Davis recently said there is no impact assessment on Brexit and there is no consensus of the government on what Britain should look like after Brexit.
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Let's just pretend they were ever going to go through with it.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

nicklebro posted...

You think Alabama cares about competence or pedophiles? Lol c'mon now, they're Alabama!

No but really, to attribute none of that to backlash against Trump's abortion of a presidency is wrong, it obviously played a part.

So wait...I'm confused.

You're saying Alabama doesn't care that the man was incompetent and a pedophile, they only hated Trump? And *that's* why Moore lost?

Wait, are you actually totally unaware the first part was me being facetious?

Swagnificent119 posted...

It's funny how this post is somehow shitting on Alabama residents for not having moral or professional integrity but also presenting them as somehow being against Trump on some sort of moral or professional grounds.

First, no it isn't, it's saying that alabamans disregard competence when faced with a choice between a Democrat and Republican and just go Republican every time, and alabamans are stereotypically known for being unintelligent country people with questionable views on things like banging highschoolers and incest. But the toxicity of Trump's endorsement overcame those things to give Doug Jones the win.

Second, it's obviously a joke, wtf is wrong with you?
Man, is it just these guys who have 0 sense of humor , or all conservatives in general?

nicklebro posted...

No but really, to attribute none of that to backlash against Trump's abortion of a presidency is wrong, it obviously played a part.

That wasn't enough to get you to understand I was joking? Lol or are you just that sensitive of a snowflake that it bothered you so much you had to take it seriously?
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Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

Brexit secretary David Davis recently said there is no impact assessment on Brexit and there is no consensus of the government on what Britain should look like after Brexit.

Ok, what's this got to do with my post?
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nicklebro posted...

First, no it isn't, it's saying that alabamans disregard competence when faced with a choice between a Democrat and Republican and just go Republican every time, and alabamans are stereotypically known for being unintelligent country people with questionable views on things like banging highschoolers and incest. But the toxicity of Trump's endorsement overcame those things to give Doug Jones the win.

Second, it's obviously a joke, wtf is wrong with you?
Man, is it just these guys who have 0 sense of humor , or all conservatives in general?

I'm not conservative, your joke was just really bad.
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nicklebro posted...

Wait, are you actually totally unaware the first part was me being facetious?

Yes.

I actually still kind of doubt it, tbqh.
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Swagnificent119 posted...

nicklebro posted...

First, no it isn't, it's saying that alabamans disregard competence when faced with a choice between a Democrat and Republican and just go Republican every time, and alabamans are stereotypically known for being unintelligent country people with questionable views on things like banging highschoolers and incest. But the toxicity of Trump's endorsement overcame those things to give Doug Jones the win.

Second, it's obviously a joke, wtf is wrong with you?
Man, is it just these guys who have 0 sense of humor , or all conservatives in general?

I'm not conservative, your joke was just really bad.

Call it a bad joke then, but to embarrass yourself by taking it seriously? Lol Jesus Christ, wtf is wrong with you? And you're definitely a conservative. Liberals know jokes when they see them, even bad jokes.

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

nicklebro posted...

Wait, are you actually totally unaware the first part was me being facetious?

Yes.

I actually still kind of doubt it, tbqh.

That's super embarrassing.
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nicklebro posted...

Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

Brexit secretary David Davis recently said there is no impact assessment on Brexit and there is no consensus of the government on what Britain should look like after Brexit.

Ok, what's this got to do with my post?

Doing something ridiculously stupid and risky sounds p toxic to me.
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Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

Brexit secretary David Davis recently said there is no impact assessment on Brexit and there is no consensus of the government on what Britain should look like after Brexit.

Ok, what's this got to do with my post?

Doing something ridiculously stupid and risky sounds p toxic to me.

Oh lol, yes you bring up a great point. I remember reading that they were being sarcastic when the originally proposed the vote, thinking no one could be ignorant enough to vote for this.
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The brexit vote was also heavily influenced by a vicious propaganda campaign led by Russia and Putin.

Yes, Russia again.

I'm not kidding. Russia did everything they could to ensure that the Brexit side won.

Don't you see a pattern?
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frozenshock posted...

Don't you see a pattern?

No
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frozenshock posted...

The brexit vote was also heavily influenced by a vicious propaganda campaign led by Russia and Putin.

Yes, Russia again.

I'm not kidding. Russia did everything they could to ensure that the Brexit side won.

Don't you see a pattern?

Yeah, I actually found that out just a few months ago. Of course Russia wants the rest of the world as weak as possible. They must be planning something. Hell they did just invade another country and no one did shit about it, I feel like that was probably a test run for their future plans to see what they can get away with.
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nicklebro posted...

Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.

Pretty much ever popular toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

Brexit secretary David Davis recently said there is no impact assessment on Brexit and there is no consensus of the government on what Britain should look like after Brexit.

Ok, what's this got to do with my post?

Doing something ridiculously stupid and risky sounds p toxic to me.

Oh lol, yes you bring up a great point. I remember reading that they were being sarcastic when the originally proposed the vote, thinking no one could be ignorant enough to vote for this.

The conservatives won the election based on them allowing a referendum, it wasn't like it came out of nowhere.
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Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

Oatcakes posted...
nicklebro posted...

Oatcakes posted...

nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

They should vote on it again but be sure to mention that Trump supports Brexit. His endorsement has become toxic and will ensure they do the right thing and remain in the EU.] toxic figure in the UK openly loudly supported leaving the EU and they won the vote.

Their toxicity is nothing compared to Trump's. A Democrat just won in Alabama, c'mon now.

Brexit secretary David Davis recently said there is no impact assessment on Brexit and there is no consensus of the government on what Britain should look like after Brexit.

Ok, what's this got to do with my post?

Doing something ridiculously stupid and risky sounds p toxic to me.

Oh lol, yes you bring up a great point. I remember reading that they were being sarcastic when the originally proposed the vote, thinking no one could be ignorant enough to vote for this.

The conservatives won the election based on them allowing a referendum, it wasn't like it came out of nowhere.

Yeah UKIP is ..... was the UK's biggest Far Right Party. IT got 10% of the vote despite being hated by everyone and existed for years.

The entire stance of UKIP was "get out of the EU"

No one suggested it as a joke, it was such a big politial issue that people were fleeing to the far right just because they were the only ones giving the option.
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Oatcakes posted...

The conservatives won the election based on them allowing a referendum, it wasn't like it came out of nowhere.

Well it kinda did come out of nowhere as in the thought of leaving the EU wasnt really being taken seriously until sarcastically proposed, which led to the first domino falling which then led to the Brexit vote. Much like Trump's election, too much faith was put in the electorate. But that's just how it was explained to me, could be totally wrong as I haven't done any of my own research in the subject.
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Lets just redo every election or referendum until we get the result we want
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J E S U S posted...

Lets just redo every election or referendum until we get the result we want

That's literally what Qubec has been doing

And Scotland is trying to do
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No one suggested it as a joke, it was such a big politial issue that people were fleeing to the far right just because they were the only ones giving the option.

Maybe "as a joke" was a bad way of putting it. But whoever the dude was, Cameron I believe, I think he allowed.the referendum under the belief that there was no way it actually would result in leaving the EU.

Again, just what I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong.
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nicklebro posted...

frozenshock posted...

The brexit vote was also heavily influenced by a vicious propaganda campaign led by Russia and Putin.

Yes, Russia again.

I'm not kidding. Russia did everything they could to ensure that the Brexit side won.

Don't you see a pattern?

Yeah, I actually found that out just a few months ago. Of course Russia wants the rest of the world as weak as possible. They must be planning something. Hell they did just invade another country and no one did shit about it, I feel like that was probably a test run for their future plans to see what they can get away with.

Yeah, basically... some in Russia never got over the fall of the soviet union. And by that I don't mean that they miss communism. What they miss is the dominance that Russia had over the entire eastern block and the ex-soviet republics.

Russia is very aggressive against ex-soviet republics who wish to trade with Europe and the US. In the Ukranian election a few years ago they tried to murder a pro-west presidential candidate by poisoning him (and they ended up failing, but he was severely disfigured as a result).

Having Trump elected fell right into the plans because of Trump's isolationist "America first" policies, which would make it less advantageous for smaller countries to trade with the US. and Brexit weakens the European Union. Both these things are things that Russia wants very very very much because it puts the ex-soviet republics in positions of weakness and allows Russia to basically do what they want with them without the US or Europe being there to help.

Everything Russia has been doing has all led to the same thing: more dominance for Russia over the ex soviet republics. All the arrows point in the same direction.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/viktor-yushchenko-every-politician-in-ukraine-who-turns-to-the-west-is-in-danger-a6694311.html

Some people just fail to see the overall pattern about what Russia is doing
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nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

No one suggested it as a joke, it was such a big politial issue that people were fleeing to the far right just because they were the only ones giving the option.

Maybe "as a joke" was a bad way of putting it. But whoever the dude was, Cameron I believe, I think he allowed.the referendum under the belief that there was no way it actually would result in leaving the UK.

Again, just what I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah.

In the elections the Liberal Democrats and Labour shot themselves in the ass by saying there would be no referendum.

The conservatives said there would be one but leaving the EU is a bad idea.

That alone more than probably anything else bagged the conversatives the election because they instantly won about 10% of so of the population.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/15/world/europe/russia-brexit-twitter-facebook.html
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UnfairRepresent posted...

nicklebro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

No one suggested it as a joke, it was such a big politial issue that people were fleeing to the far right just because they were the only ones giving the option.

Maybe "as a joke" was a bad way of putting it. But whoever the dude was, Cameron I believe, I think he allowed.the referendum under the belief that there was no way it actually would result in leaving the UK.

Again, just what I've heard, correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah.

In the elections the Liberal Democrats and Labour shot themselves in the ass by saying there would be no referendum.

The conservatives said there would be one but leaving the EU is a bad idea.

That alone more than probably anything else bagged the conversatives the election because they instantly won about 10% of so of the population.

Yeah and didn't Cameron resign right afterwards? Really stupid gamble on his part. Kinda like it was a stupid gamble to not take Trump seriously. I guess the equivalent would be the DNC aiding Hillary in the primary because they likely thought the general was in the bag and there was no need to actually put forth the best democratic candidate. A stupid gamble that lost big time. And not just a political loss, but a loss that actually harmed both countries. Can't believe the people we choose to run our governments can be so irresponsible.
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nicklebro posted...

Yeah and didn't Cameron resign right afterwards?

Yes.

It was widly believe that you couldn't have someone so utterly against leaving the EU in charge of leaving the EU

So he resigned and they replaced him with May..... Who also was so utterly against leaving the EU and is now in charge of leaving the EU

The UK is weird.

nicklebro posted...

A stupid gamble that lost big time.

The conservatives won though

Twice.
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frozenshock posted...

Some people just fail to see the overall pattern about what Russia is doing

Or just refuse to pay attention. Like Trump supporters. Anytime they hear "Russia" they just shut their minds off and act as if there's nothing worth hearing. Lol or the people who say Mueller's probe is a waste of time and is a witch Hunt despite people having already plead guilty and most likely going to jail.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

The conservatives won though

Twice.

Yeah, and it was a huge loss for Cameron, and a huge loss for the UK in general. Just like Trump winning was a huge loss for Democrats, and Americans as well.
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nicklebro posted...

And you're definitely a conservative. Liberals know jokes when they see them, even bad jokes.

You're a fucking moron.
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Swagnificent119 posted...

nicklebro posted...

And you're definitely a conservative. Liberals know jokes when they see them, even bad jokes.

You're a fucking moron.

Lol way to prove my point for me. Don't be so sensitive little snowflake, it's just the internet!
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The UK population changed their mind the day after they voted to leave the EU.
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frozenshock posted...

The brexit vote was also heavily influenced by a vicious propaganda campaign led by Russia and Putin.

Yes, Russia again.

I'm not kidding. Russia did everything they could to ensure that the Brexit side won.

Don't you see a pattern?

I'm sure you've got proof to back this statement up.

Trelve posted...

frozenshock posted...

The brexit vote was also heavily influenced by a vicious propaganda campaign led by Russia and Putin.

Yes, Russia again.

I'm not kidding. Russia did everything they could to ensure that the Brexit side won.

Don't you see a pattern?

I'm sure you've got proof to back this statement up.

The government reported they had done the same "twitter propaganda" they had in America. That infamous picture of the muslim girl ignoring the attack on the bridge was done by a Russian, for instance.
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Trelve posted...

frozenshock posted...

The brexit vote was also heavily influenced by a vicious propaganda campaign led by Russia and Putin.

Yes, Russia again.

I'm not kidding. Russia did everything they could to ensure that the Brexit side won.

Don't you see a pattern?

I'm sure you've got proof to back this statement up.

You still require proof to believe that Russia meddles in other countries elections/votes?
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LOL "Poll" go back to sleep, CE.
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Yeah. I'm sure like all the polls done everywhere they over sample liberals.

They had a vote and they voted to leave. How is this even taking so long? It's clear sabotage. Why would anyone wanna be essentially ruled by a group of unelected people who can make rules that override your laws.
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The anti poll remarks make no sense. Thus is the same poll method they used that predicted the brexit succsess and even if you ignore that and shoe horn in "oh must be liberals " This is still the first time a poll had shown the majority to be against brexit.

That lazy deflection makes you feel good but it doesn't add up
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lilJoe457 posted...

Yeah. I'm sure like all the polls done everywhere they over sample liberals.

They had a vote and they voted to leave. How is this even taking so long? It's clear sabotage. Why would anyone wanna be essentially ruled by a group of unelected people who can make rules that override your laws.

It was never going to be quick? Tbh, they are moving far faster than most people seemed to think as well. Complaining a country can't leave an entanglement with a mass of other countries is just stupid and likely shows how little you actually know of Britain's relationship with the EU to begin with.
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A poll and a referendum are very different.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

The anti poll remarks make no sense. Thus is the same poll method they used that predicted the brexit succsess and even if you ignore that and shoe horn in "oh must be liberals " This is still the first time a poll had shown the majority to be against brexit.

That lazy deflection makes you feel good but it doesn't add up

Deflecting yourself? You're assuming those believing in past Brexit polls and not believing this current one are the same people. Why is that? As for my statement; "ALL" polls that extrapolate for entire nations from a tiny select pool are bullshit. I don't care what it's for or against. They only ever represent those that took the poll. And that's still only true if those taking the poll took it seriously and didn't lie (you'd be surprised how many give the answer they think they're supposed to give, or just don't care and say whatever). Most polls measure a few thousand at most, and in no way, even if taken from random across a country will they EVER represent tens of millions of people. NEVER. It's pure BS garbage that people have fallen for for waaaaay too long and only the most ignorant, incapable of rational logical thought would ever believe in them.
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Jiggy101011 posted...

The UK population changed their mind the day after they voted to leave the EU.

Because a large amount of those who voted leave never thought leave would win, they did it as a protest vote.
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