Current Events > Gonna stand by TFA's lightsaber duel as maybe the best one *spoilers*

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI

People gave so much flak to Kylo, but he completely played with his food with Finn and honestly did the same with Rey until he had her pinned and opted not to kill her. If he wanted to kill Rey, shed have been dead as fuck.

I also like just how deliberate and brutal the strikes are. No flippy spinny bullshit. Kylo pounding his own gaping blaster wound to get himself hype was sick, too.

Haters gonna hate
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problem is his opponents had no idea how to fight

if he was fighting Yoda or Luke in the same way, then sure, it would be impressive
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Anakin v Obiwan is great too in a different way but also was saddled with this kinda bullshit where it didnt look like they were even vaguely trying to hit each other


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Duel of Fates man.

But seriously I loved this duel too. The fact that he basically fought through a gaping boltcaster wound the entire time is just amazing.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

problem is his opponents had no idea how to fight

if he was fighting Yoda or Luke in the same way, then sure, it would be impressive

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I kind of agree but I also wanna do RotJ was better just because the music was so
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Yes one of my favorites. They did Finn right. They did Rey and Kylo right.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

problem is his opponents had no idea how to fight

if he was fighting Yoda or Luke in the same way, then sure, it would be impressive

If he was flippantly showboating while fighting Jedi Masters with a gaping wound? Yeah no shit Id say that would count as impressive

My point anyway wasnt that what Kylo did was IMPRESSIVE, I just never took issue with him losing given the circumstances and its a great fight scene.
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Honestly my one missed opportunity complaint with TLJ was that we didnt get to see Kylo really go ham again considering Luke just dodged, since hes not really there, and the throne room scene was a mob fight.

Im hoping Episode 9 brings the heat, but with Abrams back at the helm Im not worried about that aspect at least. We oughtta get an amazing duel out of it.
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Also, Sith tend to showboat. They all play with their food. Duel of Fates, Anakin with both Obi-Wan and Luke, even Sidious when he fights with Yoda laughs and basically doesn't take it too seriously.
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In a vacuum, the scene is fine. But TLJ didn't establish that Kylo is better than Rey so they'll have to do something to establish Kylo has a legitimate threat. The First Order clearly has numbers on the resistance, but Rey>Kylo as of right now.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

problem is his opponents had no idea how to fight

Finn sure, but any force sensitive user is going to be intuitive at fighting. Also, Chewy's bowcaster packs a punch.

Rey might not have training, but she's just fighting with raw strength and force-assisted reflexes. When you have a major abdominal wound like that, you're going to struggle to keep up. To fight against someone as unrefined as Rey here, you need to keep up the tempo. Also, if TLJ is any indication he had plans for her, so he wanted to take her down alive.

It makes perfect sense he "struggled" given the circumstance.
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mew4ever posted...

In a vacuum, the scene is fine. But TLJ didn't establish that Kylo is better than Rey so they'll have to do something to establish Kylo has a legitimate threat. The First Order clearly has numbers on the resistance, but Rey>Kylo as of right now.

Kylo had already taken a boltcaster shot to the stomach. The same gun shown to blow people up into the air. He was holding himself together the entire fight with both Finn and Rey. He got caught playing around though.

So despite being massively injured, he fought two people and beat one, and could have beaten the other if not for literally trying to turn her.
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No, the fights in AotC and RoftS are much better. The new lightsabers don't even really seem like lightsabers. They're just like glowing swords.
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mew4ever posted...

But TLJ didn't establish that Kylo is better than Rey so they'll have to do something to establish Kylo has a legitimate threat. The First Order clearly has numbers on the resistance, but Rey>Kylo as of right now.

The numbers in and of themselves are the problem. Doesn't matter if Rey can take Kylo on 1v1 if he's behind an entire fleet and you're stuck with a ragtag group of a few dozen that just lost their entire fleet.

Also it's pretty clear they meant for him to appear weak. He impulsively staged a coup and subsequently made a bunch of terrible tactical decisions on that salt planet. If there was a "legitimate" threat at the helm now, it wouldn't be a fight and there wouldn't be a movie. The resistance and republic would be done for good.
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the reason why rey beat kylo down so easily after being pushed to the edge isnt because shes a mary sue and that kylo was injured, its that she channeled the dark side after closing her eyes.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

No, the fights in AotC and RoftS are much better. The new lightsabers don't even really seem like lightsabers. They're just like glowing swords.

You're also comparing trained, seasoned soldiers who have dedicated a lifetime to jedi training compared to the children of the heroes of yore, without said training.

Their fights will expectantly be more amateurish, impulsive, "raw", etc. I'm impressed with the congruency of how the fights ought to be, given their circumstances.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

No, the fights in AotC and RoftS are much better. The new lightsabers don't even really seem like lightsabers. They're just like glowing swords.

You're also comparing trained, seasoned soldiers who have dedicated a lifetime to jedi training compared to the children of the heroes of yore, without said training.

Their fights will expectantly be more amateurish, impulsive, "raw", etc. I'm impressed with the congruency of how the fights ought to be, given their circumstances.

So let's just give free passes to things being underwhelming thanks to the poor writing and story in general.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

mew4ever posted...

But TLJ didn't establish that Kylo is better than Rey so they'll have to do something to establish Kylo has a legitimate threat. The First Order clearly has numbers on the resistance, but Rey>Kylo as of right now.

The numbers in and of themselves are the problem. Doesn't matter if Rey can take Kylo on 1v1 if he's behind an entire fleet and you're stuck with a ragtag group of a few dozen that just lost their entire fleet.

Also it's pretty clear they meant for him to appear weak. He impulsively staged a coup and subsequently made a bunch of terrible tactical decisions on that salt planet. If there was a "legitimate" threat at the helm now, it wouldn't be a fight and there wouldn't be a movie. The resistance and republic would be done for good.

No, the attempt was to make him appear resolute. He was powerful and in control enough to hide his intentions from Snoke. He was pissed because Rey peaced out
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KazumaKiryu posted...

So let's just give free passes to things being underwhelming thanks to the poor writing and story in general.

Lol what? Poor writing would be them doing the choreographed dance moves of the prequels when they had no training.

The movie is about the children of these heroes, grown up in a world without jedi and sith trying to find their way in the shadow of both the empire and the republic. It's not supposed to be "overwhelming" like the prequel fights.

It's fine if you don't personally like the story, but you need to learn that just because the story doesn't match your preference doesn't automatically make it bad.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

No, the fights in AotC and RoftS are much better. The new lightsabers don't even really seem like lightsabers. They're just like glowing swords.

Except these fights are much closer to what the OT displayed lightsaber duels as.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

So let's just give free passes to things being underwhelming thanks to the poor writing and story in general.

Lol what? Poor writing would be them doing the choreographed dance moves of the prequels when they had no training.

The movie is about the children of these heroes, grown up in a world without jedi and sith trying to find their way in the shadow of both the empire and the republic. It's not supposed to be "overwhelming" like the prequel fights.

It's fine if you don't personally like the story, but you need to learn that just because the story doesn't match your preference doesn't automatically make it bad.

The mere fact that as a sequel to the movie where there was a RETURN of the JEDI and the Empire was decimated, we have just gone right back to the beginning and things are bleaker than ever is bad writing. The overall concept of TFA was horrible. However I do lay out what would have been perfect in this thread.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76110593
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Kazuma is a troll. Don't bother with him.
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EnragedSlith posted...

He was powerful and in control enough to hide his intentions from Snoke

I interpreted that more as Sith arrogance than Kylo's strength. My impression was that Snoke never thought Kylo was particularly powerful and simply manipulated him. Kylo certainly was stronger than Snoke gave him credit for, but not because Kylo is more powerful than Snoke, but rather Snoke's arrogance in underestimating Kylo to the magnitude that he did.

EnragedSlith posted...

He was pissed because Rey peaced out

Not disagreeing with you on that.

I'm just saying, we're never given any indication that Kylo is competent. In fact, TFA shows him making many mistakes, like letting the droid go after capturing Rey, letting Poe and Finn escape, Rey slipping from his hands.

He's an impulsive "angsty teenager", reminiscent of Anakin, but clearly with far less support, guidance, and training.

I'll hand it to him for being an opportunist, but throughout star wars we're kind of shown the arrogance of sith lords in underestimating their apprentices. It's almost fair to consider that they're expected to kill their masters at some point when they perceive themselves to be more powerful.

In Kylo's case, I think he prematurely killed Snoke. Presuming they had a traditional Sith relationship. Seeing that I think Snoke treated him more like a pawn than apprentice, it was in Kylo's best interests.

But he's bitten off more than he can chew.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Kazuma is a troll. Don't bother with him.

Hey, stop harassing me calling me a troll in every topic. This is bullshit.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

The mere fact that as a sequel to the movie where there was a RETURN of the JEDI and the Empire was decimated, we have just gone right back to the beginning and things are bleaker than ever is bad writing. The overall concept of TFA was horrible. However I do lay out what would have been perfect in this thread.

It's not being literal with the movie title. It just refers to Luke's story being triumphant against Palpatine in the setting of after Order 66.

If you actually pay attention to the "poor writing", Luke then spends his time trying to rebuild the Jedi order and fails. Meanwhile, the remnants of the Empire went into hiding to amass numbers again with Project Resurrection, while the new Republic sat around doing nothing for decades. They made the mistake of thinking the Empire was done for good.

Had they continued to hunt down the remnants of the Empire and had Luke not failed in training a new Jedi order, there would be no movie, because there's no fucking conflict.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

Had they continued to hunt down the remnants of the Empire and had Luke not failed in training a new Jedi order, there would be no movie, because there's no fucking conflict.

There are plenty of conflicts that they could have in there, and I laid out one of them that would have been far better than what we got in that thread.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76110593
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mew4ever posted...

In a vacuum, the scene is fine. But TLJ didn't establish that Kylo is better than Rey so they'll have to do something to establish Kylo has a legitimate threat. The First Order clearly has numbers on the resistance, but Rey>Kylo as of right now.

I felt like Kylo performed the better of the two when they fought Snokes trained guards.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Soviet_Poland posted...

Had they continued to hunt down the remnants of the Empire and had Luke not failed in training a new Jedi order, there would be no movie, because there's no fucking conflict.

There are plenty of conflicts that they could have in there, and I laid out one of them that would have been far better than what we got in that thread.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76110593

We get it, you think you can do a better job. Don't have to link to your topic every time you post.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

Soviet_Poland posted...

Had they continued to hunt down the remnants of the Empire and had Luke not failed in training a new Jedi order, there would be no movie, because there's no fucking conflict.

There are plenty of conflicts that they could have in there, and I laid out one of them that would have been far better than what we got in that thread.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76110593

We get it, you think you can do a better job. Don't have to link to your topic every time you post.

I want people to read it and understand how much better than would have been.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I liked the TLJ fight with Kylo + Rey fighting Snoke's guards. The cinematography was beautiful.

It's interesting how you like slow motion when it's in a Disney film...
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I like the Dooku duel in AotC.

Though they did use a double in some cuts because of Lee's age, Lee was a master fencer and former world champion.
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I like the Dooku duel in AotC.

Though they did use a double in some cuts because of Lee's age, Lee was a master fencer and former world champion.

lol all that cg
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