Current Events > Star Wars Last Jedi was better than I thought, but worse than I hoped *Spoilers*

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It was a decent movie on its own, but there was a lot of problems I had with it >_>

-Leia really should've died at the beginning. Her floating back to the ship was pretty bullshit lol

-there was way too many forced funny moments in random scenes. idk, it just screwed with the tone of everything and was kinda annoying with the overabundance

-That whole casino thing felt pointless. They really should've just trimmed that out. Plus how the hell did they even get over there and back within such a short amount of time?

-Luke doesn't really do too much honestly >_> He kinda just gives Rey like 2 hours worth of lessons and she just runs off lol. And then he just stays on the island the whole movie and does that force trick at the end. Plus he had a lot of balls to assume the resistance would find a way out of that cave while he distracted Kylo Ren lol

-Luke dying was also dumb. It could've been handled better than that, if he even shouldve died

-All those 100's of soldiers in the hanger dying from that hyperspace transport attack, but Rose and Finn magically surviving was pretty bullshit lol

However, I did like the backstory of Luke losing control and turning Ben to the dark side cuz of it. I thought that was a good moment. Also, Snoke's death was fine imo >_> I kinda liked it lol

I did enjoy myself, but it could've been better. I really hope episode 9 is better
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Also, how awkward is it that Han and Luke are dead, but Leia is alive in the movies >___________>
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NeonOctopus posted...

Also, how awkward is it that Han and Luke are dead, but Leia is alive in the movies >___________>

I'm hoping they go recruit Lando to be the new leader of the resistance. Considering we're down to only force ghost Luke for original trilogy main characters, Lando could really help out in that regard.
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NeonOctopus posted...

Leia really should've died at the beginning. Her floating back to the ship was pretty bullshit lol

By far the worst part of the movie, that scene will live in infamy.

NeonOctopus posted...

That whole casino thing felt pointless.

Agreed

NeonOctopus posted...

-Luke doesn't really do too much honestly >_> He kinda just gives Rey like 2 hours worth of lessons and she just runs off lol. And then he just stays on the island the whole movie and does that force trick at the end. Plus he had a lot of balls to assume the resistance would find a way out of that cave while he distracted Kylo Ren lol

-Luke dying was also dumb. It could've been handled better than that, if he even shouldve died

I'll also add it was anticlimactic for him to walk out like that and not force fuck some shit up. If he's going to die anyway at least have his projection pull off some badass shit. The shoulder brush thing was also cringy and out of character.
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Seriously how did that Leia scene make it into the movie? It feels like one of those scenes that everyone but the director knows is awful but he puts it in anyway.
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What was even happening in that scene? >_> Did she use the force to get back?
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NeonOctopus posted...

What was even happening in that scene? >_> Did she use the force to get back?

Yep, her's was acting on instinct according to Johnson
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Lando's actor is fat as fuck right now.
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But seriously, I was so disappointed in Rey's training. The training in Empire was a really great part of the movie and showed a lot about the jedi, the force, Luke, and Yoda. It just sucked in this movie >_> Rey goes to a dark side cave because she's curious and sees her reflection on some surface....? When Luke went to the dark side cave, he brought his lightsaber because he was weak and fought Vader with his own face inside his helmet. It was better.
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Kelystic posted...

Lando's actor is fat as fuck right now.

Doesn't matter, Lando doesn't like guns remember
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NeonOctopus posted...

But seriously, I was so disappointed in Rey's training. The training in Empire was a really great part of the movie and showed a lot about the jedi, the force, Luke, and Yoda. It just sucked in this movie >_> Rey goes to a dark side cave because she's curious and sees her reflection on some surface....? When Luke went to the dark side cave, he brought his lightsaber because he was weak and fought Vader with his own face inside his helmet. It was better.

Rey's quest for her parents feels weird too. Like I don't understand how it's driving her actions in any way and it just seems to pop up in TLJ. Luke's motivations in the original trilogy fit much better with what he was doing.

They could have done something great with that and had Kylo tell her that he knew where her parents were and that he would bring her to them if she joined him and then she would have had to choose between her parents and her friends in the Resistance. Instead he tells her they were just random loser junkers that sold her off for food.
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Yeah, that parent thing was so blown up from false hype. They should've just said in episode 7 that her parents were druggies that sold her for cash. They really shouldn't have dragged it out for an episode >_>
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stoltenberg11 posted...

Seriously how did that Leia scene make it into the movie? It feels like one of those scenes that everyone but the director knows is awful but he puts it in anyway.

I honestly really like it as long as I don't think too hard about how fast she would have to be going
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I still believe they should have cut out the last part of the movie where they stood off against Kylo in the base. There was no way they could top Kylo/Rey's fight against Snoke's lackeys, and it kinda felt like purple-haired chick's sacrifice was for nothing. Her ship cutting through Snoke's was amazing, and it should have had more of an impact than it did.

Save Luke's sacrifice for the 3rd movie, have Rey show her "good, powerful" side in a different way to immediately escape, and make those amazing scenes worth something. They were the climax, nothing could top it and the movie felt like it was draining time just to have a Kylo v Luke fight that meant nothing.

Other than that I have no problem with the movie. Rey still sucks, but it's entertaining enough.
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mew4ever posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Also, how awkward is it that Han and Luke are dead, but Leia is alive in the movies >___________>

I'm hoping they go recruit Lando to be the new leader of the resistance. Considering we're down to only force ghost Luke for original trilogy main characters, Lando could really help out in that regard.

Honestly, I'm 100% expecting this. One common criticism is that they wrote their way into a tough spot with Episode IX and there's nowhere for them to go with it. I can already see a Billy Dee Williams cameo in the trailer to drive up hype.
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Also, those bird things were annoying >_>
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It's dumb that we never got to see Luke's reaction to Han's death
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

It's dumb that we never got to see Luke's reaction to Han's death

Yeah, that was weird. You hear him ask where Han is and it just cuts. wtf
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It just seemed like Han's death was meaningless and didn't really affect or add anything to the plot
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For me it was just meh. Like they extended the dumb ships chasing each other throughout the entire movie and filled the gaps with pointless stuff like the entire casino plot. The dark cave scene was pointless and lame, the only thing I got from that was that Rey was just....needing to believe in herself? maybe?

Luke was a whiny little bitch as per usual. I don't get why people expected so much from him. He was a whiny baby in the original movies and he was pretty much the same here, no surprise.

The biggest issue though was they tried to introduce wayyyyyyyy too many new characters and plot points and didn't flesh them out enough. However I suspect that they just used this movie to plant the seeds and they will eventually expand on all those in an animated series or book or something.

The throne room scene was great and I loved how Ren offed his master in the typical sith fashion rising to become the sith master. Now Ren just needs to take on an apprentice as well which we can see that he was trying to do with Rey to no avail.

So all in all it was ok. For sure not my fav but not the worst either.
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People still asserting that the casino subplot was pointless even though it set up the final act on the salt planet and subverted Poe's hero's journey. I question whether any of you ever watched the movie.

-Leia really should've died at the beginning. Her floating back to the ship was pretty bulls*** lol

Hardly as bullshit as Luke falling down 200 feet in ESB only to be saved by a shaft that was conveniently an exit out of the city, right where his buddies would rescue him. I guess the force saved him from being splattered at that velocity (even the angle of the shaft should not have spared him from death). Total bullshit.

wayyyyyyyy too many new characters

I wonder how Boba Fett became the stuff of legend when he only had 5 minutes of screen time in the original trilogy and said nothing interesting.

My biggest issue is that there isn't much they can do with episode 9. Unless they are going to let the First Order win, the resistance will somehow assemble a fleet strong enough to defeat the the First Order in one giant battle, Kylo will be defeated, and Rey will take her books and train a new generation of Jedi.
This puts us right back where we were at the end of RotJ.
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Ammonitida posted...

I wonder how Boba Fett became the stuff of legend when he only had 5 minutes of screen time in the original trilogy and said nothing interesting

Let's be honest here.........Boba Fett was just a terrible Bounty Hunter. The only reason he became so iconic was because of his outfit.

That being said I really like him. But mostly because he looks cool as hell, not because he did anything amazing.
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wickdawg01 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

I wonder how Boba Fett became the stuff of legend when he only had 5 minutes of screen time in the original trilogy and said nothing interesting

Let's be honest here.........Boba Fett was just a terrible Bounty Hunter. The only reason he became so iconic was because of his outfit.

That being said I really like him. But mostly because he looks cool as hell, not because he did anything amazing.

He at least managed to successfully ward off Luke/Leia/Lando/Chewie in order to get Han on board the Slave I.
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NeonOctopus posted...

However, I did like the backstory of Luke losing control and turning Ben to the dark side cuz of it. I

I didn't like that. Even if you ignore the fact that Luke was the only one who believed Vader could be redeemed, why did he never go after Kylo to fix his mistake? He seems to think he was wrong, yet he he just says fuck it and hides on the island and he still tells Rey that she won't be able to turn him back. So would it really not have been wrong for Luke to have killed Kylo?
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NeonOctopus posted...

Yeah, that parent thing was so blown up from false hype. They should've just said in episode 7 that her parents were druggies that sold her for cash. They really shouldn't have dragged it out for an episode >_>

It feels like it was put in the movie just specifically for the fan theories and to drive interest in the character and the trilogy. Pretty cheap given the payoff sucked. I suppose Kylo could have just been pulling a sith and lying to her about her parents being junkers, but if that's the case I still think saying he knew who they were and he could take her to them would have worked a lot better for him.
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Also they couldn't hire a child actor to play the young Ben Solo in the flashback? lol
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DifferentialEquation posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

However, I did like the backstory of Luke losing control and turning Ben to the dark side cuz of it. I

I didn't like that. Even if you ignore the fact that Luke was the only one who believed Vader could be redeemed, why did he never go after Kylo to fix his mistake? He seems to think he was wrong, yet he he just says fuck it and hides on the island and he still tells Rey that she won't be able to turn him back. So would it really not have been wrong for Luke to have killed Kylo?

I liked it. Luke screwed up and he's got some ptsd over it or something. Luke was ashamed of himself. That's an easy feeling to have and hard to come back from(depending on what you did)

PoopPotato posted...

My biggest issue is that there isn't much they can do with episode 9. Unless they are going to let the First Order win, the resistance will somehow assemble a fleet strong enough to defeat the the First Order in one giant battle, Kylo will be defeated, and Rey will take her books and train a new generation of Jedi.
This puts us right back where we were at the end of RotJ.

They've already confirmed there will be at least one more trilogy after this one so they could end this one with the bad guys winning. I'm not sure i want to see yet another trilogy of Resistance vs First Order though.
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Luke being a disgraced hermit after he fucked up and lots of people died is like Jedi Master 101. Didnt understand why people felt that was so odd.
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PoopPotato posted...

My biggest issue is that there isn't much they can do with episode 9. Unless they are going to let the First Order win, the resistance will somehow assemble a fleet strong enough to defeat the the First Order in one giant battle, Kylo will be defeated, and Rey will take her books and train a new generation of Jedi.
This puts us right back where we were at the end of RotJ.

I think that once the third movie is out, this trilogy will ultimately feel like a bitter divorced couple (JJ and Rian) using their kids to get back at eachother.
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there was way too many forced funny moments in random scenes. idk, it just screwed with the tone of everything and was kinda annoying with the overabundance

Are you saying that you didn't laugh at Leia's joke with Luke at the end? You do realize that Fisher wrote that joke herself? You SHOULD have laughed. Have some respect for the dead.

I'm talking about Poe joking around with Hux at the beginning and those bird things bothering Chewie on the falcon. They were dumb.

But certain other funny scenes they did feel pretty great like Leia slapping Poe and R2 showing Luke the old Leia message to pull his heartstrings.

I don't remember the Leia/Luke joke you were talking about >_>
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I honestly feel like the last movie should take a time skip with the First Order running rampant. This movie was a long chase scene and I was fine with it but I wouldn't want a long 24 hours or so to be a common thing in the movies. I also feel like there can be more...with the third movie even adding to characters and building up for a final fight with the First Order. Of course, it could be like Revenge of the Sith with the winners being the bad guys and then a whole twenty years or so of First Order rule.

dameon_reaper posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

However, I did like the backstory of Luke losing control and turning Ben to the dark side cuz of it. I

I didn't like that. Even if you ignore the fact that Luke was the only one who believed Vader could be redeemed, why did he never go after Kylo to fix his mistake? He seems to think he was wrong, yet he he just says fuck it and hides on the island and he still tells Rey that she won't be able to turn him back. So would it really not have been wrong for Luke to have killed Kylo?

I liked it. Luke screwed up and he's got some ptsd over it or something. Luke was ashamed of himself. That's an easy feeling to have and hard to come back from(depending on what you did)

It was a pretty colossal fuck up too. He nearly gave in to his fear and killed Ben Solo, then Ben killed a bunch of children who Luke was sworn to protect, then became the most prominent dark side user in the galaxy.

Also, of course, Ben was his nephew and Luke failed his sister and best friend in letting him turn.

I would feel pretty guilty too.
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voldothegr8 posted...

I'll also add it was anticlimactic for him to walk out like that and not force fuck some shit up.

"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." - Yoda, Episode V

everything Luke did was perfectly aligned with his character and made perfect sense. those who expected Luke to fight anything in that last battle must not understand Jedi lore very well.
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This was kinda nitpicky, but it was also kinda weird that they say that Luke lost his connection with the force, but like a few days later he can force project across the galaxy lol
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

I'll also add it was anticlimactic for him to walk out like that and not force fuck some shit up.

"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." - Yoda, Episode V

everything Luke did was perfectly aligned with his character and made perfect sense. those who expected Luke to fight anything in that last battle must not understand Jedi lore very well.

I'd say dropping a dozen building sized death machines trying to kill his sister and friends is a legit defensive tactic.
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Luke considering killing Kylo in his sleep felt very out of character
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stoltenberg11 posted...

Luke considering killing Kylo in his sleep felt very out of character

did you not see RotJ? Luke's entire arc in that movie was about him being tempted by the Dark side and almost giving into it. this wasn't any different, imo.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

I'll also add it was anticlimactic for him to walk out like that and not force fuck some shit up.

"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." - Yoda, Episode V

everything Luke did was perfectly aligned with his character and made perfect sense. those who expected Luke to fight anything in that last battle must not understand Jedi lore very well.

I'd say dropping a dozen building sized death machines trying to kill his sister and friends is a legit defensive tactic.

fine, but it's even more defensive to accomplish the same end goal (allowing his friends to escape) without any offense.
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NeonOctopus posted...

This was kinda nitpicky, but it was also kinda weird that they say that Luke lost his connection with the force, but like a few days later he can force project across the galaxy lol

I don't think he lost so much as he turned it off and refused to connect to the Force. I see your point about being able to project like that after not using the Force for a long time, though, but it did basically kill him.

Perhaps because he was a Skywalker and so strong in the Force was why he was able to use that Force ability even being rusty. Also, he has had decades to practice using the Force and I doubt he forgot how to even after a long time. You can still ride a bicycle even if you haven't done it in a while.
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NeonOctopus posted...

This was kinda nitpicky, but it was also kinda weird that they say that Luke lost his connection with the force, but like a few days later he can force project across the galaxy lol

I don't think he exactly lost it. More that he turned it off. Then basically reactivated it on his terms.
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Everyone hates on that Leia space scene, but I fucking loved it, one of the coolest parts of the movie imo.

I love shit where the force is overpowered and stuff, like in the extended universe. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see Jedis move a planet and shit.

So when Leia came back to life and started flying, I was like, fuck yes, this is awesome. I love Leia, too, and always appreciated the fact that she does indeed have the force in her, it was just never brought out.

Oh, and the next movie will be a big time skip, maybe 5 or 10 years into the future or something. Resistance will be back to a big thing that can put up a fight. They'll make mention of General Leia in passing, how they miss her and stuff.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

I'll also add it was anticlimactic for him to walk out like that and not force fuck some shit up.

"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." - Yoda, Episode V

everything Luke did was perfectly aligned with his character and made perfect sense. those who expected Luke to fight anything in that last battle must not understand Jedi lore very well.

I'd say dropping a dozen building sized death machines trying to kill his sister and friends is a legit defensive tactic.

Luke told you himself he couldn't show up and single-handily destroy the First Order. Jedi are an asset in battle but he is only one man and there is no way he'd be able to take out that small army by himself.

Which is why he did what he did. He knew he couldn't defeat an army so he delayed them, and he confronted Kylo to say what he needed to say to him.

And he became a symbol of Hope the devastated Rebellion needed.
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spanky1 posted...

Everyone hates on that Leia space scene, but I fucking loved it, one of the coolest parts of the movie imo.

I love shit where the force is overpowered and stuff, like in the extended universe. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see Jedis move a planet and shit.

So when Leia came back to life and started flying, I was like, fuck yes, this is awesome. I love Leia, too, and always appreciated the fact that she does indeed have the force in her, it was just never brought out.

Oh, and the next movie will be a big time skip, maybe 5 or 10 years into the future or something. Resistance will be back to a big thing that can put up a fight. They'll make mention of General Leia in passing, how they miss her and stuff.

With the death of Fisher a timeskip is inevitable. In fact I'm expecting IX to open up with Leia's funeral four years after the events of The Last Jedi, and a eulogy that recaps what she accomplished in rebuilding the rebellion over the last four years.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

Luke considering killing Kylo in his sleep felt very out of character

did you not see RotJ? Luke's entire arc in that movie was about him being tempted by the Dark side and almost giving into it. this wasn't any different, imo.

Him getting mad at Vader threatening his sister and going off isn't comparable to him nearly killing a kid in his sleep 20ish years later imo. Especially since his whole thing in RotJ was fighting for his father's redemption and with Kylo he seemed to give up way too easily.
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stoltenberg11 posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

Luke considering killing Kylo in his sleep felt very out of character

did you not see RotJ? Luke's entire arc in that movie was about him being tempted by the Dark side and almost giving into it. this wasn't any different, imo.

Him getting mad at Vader threatening his sister and going off isn't comparable to him nearly killing a kid in his sleep 20ish years later imo. Especially since his whole thing in RotJ was fighting for his father's redemption and with Kylo he seemed to give up way too easily.

He only "gave up" when the force showed him the sheer Darkness in Kylo and gave him flashbacks of Vader and Palpatine. And even then only for a brief moment, but that loss of composure was all it took. After that Luke had no way of getting to Kylo as he fled to the clutches of Snoke and the First Order, and had lost the will to fight after failing his sister and his dozen or so dead students.

It was a far more traumatic failure than anything he experienced in the OT, and his personality had already shown a weakness in resolve at times (Though in the face of less severe circumstances he had prevailed).
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I agree with the topic title and most of your points

Snoke's death was bad though imo
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