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chaosbowser
12/25/17 9:40:39 AM
#51:


TigerTycoon posted...
yutterh posted...
vhiran posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
Everything to do with Kylo Ren was amazing and everything else kind of sucked, it was really weird.


Came here to say this

Finn and Rose simply didn't belong. You could cut almost their entire subplot out of the movie and it would have played out the same.


Why does everyone say this? The movie would have played out extremely differently if they had succeeded. They failed because they didn't get the trust worthy codebreaker. Instead they got a evil scoundral who betrayed them. I feel people miss the importance of this subplot. They would have not only escaped with the three ships they had, they would have also escaped with the crew completely alive. The resistance was done for if the vice admiral didn't sacrifice her self. The mission would have succeeded if they got worthy spies in there, also the reason why finn and rose were chosen for the mission, is because poe could trust them. The whole point of the movie was to show how important liea was to the resistance.

I'm pretty sure the whole point was that an unproven leader shouldn't refuse to tell her subordinates that she has a plan and be an ass to anyone who asks her what her plan is for no reason while intentionally feigning to not have a plan other than just letting the entire crew die.

Also, escape pods that are somehow cloaked but not cloaked if you know they are cloaked?

Also, needing to power up escape pods kind of defeats the purpose of escape pods.


Or she Holdo didnt have a plan till late in the movie and wasnt saying anything so people wouldn't panic. The movie only takes place over 18 hours and the whole thing seems really bleak from the start.

I was under the impression the code breaker disabled the cloaking. Hence the handsome sum he was paid.
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AllstarSniper32
12/25/17 10:30:30 AM
#52:


Gumbotron posted...
before watching the last jedi, i watched rogue one

R1 loses me near the end with the continuous string of ass-pulls to get out of tight spots
it's important to give all the characters something critical to do, but having everyone pull through beyond reasonable odds felt very unreal.

Uh huh. Cause doing something that's an "ass-pull" then dying is "pulling through".
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Doctor Foxx
12/25/17 10:39:30 AM
#53:


chaosbowser posted...
Or she Holdo didnt have a plan till late in the movie and wasnt saying anything so people wouldn't panic. The movie only takes place over 18 hours and the whole thing seems really bleak from the start.

Leia and holdo were discussing the outpost earlier in the film before Leia was incapacitated. Holdo was executing Leia's plan that was in place as soon as they were followed through the jump. Poe didn't trust her to do it, and by sending off Rose and Finn to help, he killed most of the resistance
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Miroku_of_Nite1
12/25/17 11:37:54 AM
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yutterh posted...
They failed because they didn't get the trust worthy codebreaker. Instead they got a evil scoundral who betrayed them.


DJ is not inherently evil, he is only in it for the money. When captured he sold out for his freedom. But it's kind of dumb on the FO part to give him freedom and let him have a bunch of money. Unless it was a reward for the information. But then again the FO has been shown to be a punch of clowns and idiots.
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yutterh
12/25/17 11:39:36 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
chaosbowser posted...
Or she Holdo didnt have a plan till late in the movie and wasnt saying anything so people wouldn't panic. The movie only takes place over 18 hours and the whole thing seems really bleak from the start.

Leia and holdo were discussing the outpost earlier in the film before Leia was incapacitated. Holdo was executing Leia's plan that was in place as soon as they were followed through the jump. Poe didn't trust her to do it, and by sending off Rose and Finn to help, he killed most of the resistance


How did he kill most of the resistance?Finn and Rose didn't alter Holdo's plan. Her plan happened right on time.
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Doctor Foxx
12/25/17 11:44:58 AM
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yutterh posted...
How did he kill most of the resistance?Finn and Rose didn't alter Holdo's plan. Her plan happened right on time.

Easy. Remember the scene where Finn, Rose, and the codebreaker are nearly in to the tracking room? Finn gets on the radio. Poe communicates to them on that radio that the ship is sending cloaked shuttles to the outpost. Until that point the shuttles were hidden and that was unknown. Codebreaker sells them out and throws in that information about the cloaked shuttles. That's why Finn and Rose are forced to watch them be destroyed. They killed those people. Had the shuttles remained cloaked it would have just been Holdo taking fire with the rest escaping. And that would have happened if Poe was not revealing their tactics openly.
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yutterh
12/25/17 1:29:10 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
yutterh posted...
How did he kill most of the resistance?Finn and Rose didn't alter Holdo's plan. Her plan happened right on time.

Easy. Remember the scene where Finn, Rose, and the codebreaker are nearly in to the tracking room? Finn gets on the radio. Poe communicates to them on that radio that the ship is sending cloaked shuttles to the outpost. Until that point the shuttles were hidden and that was unknown. Codebreaker sells them out and throws in that information about the cloaked shuttles. That's why Finn and Rose are forced to watch them be destroyed. They killed those people. Had the shuttles remained cloaked it would have just been Holdo taking fire with the rest escaping. And that would have happened if Poe was not revealing their tactics openly.


The codebreaker already ratted them out though. They were ratted out before they got to the tracking room. Which is why there was a trap there. He didn't even rat out BB-8. He was just stopping them from disabling the tracker. I don't remember how they were able to see the ships but i don't think it was the codebreaker who did it. but then again, i probably have to watch it again. Even then though if that is what happened, Poe's mission would have been more succesful then holdo's either way. Cause all the ships would have been saved and not just the escapees. That should have been a last stand scenario. But Poe didn't trust Holdo and she didn't trust him, especially since he was just demoted.
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Doctor Foxx
12/25/17 2:09:43 PM
#59:


yutterh posted...
The codebreaker already ratted them out though. They were ratted out before they got to the tracking room

They were ratted out for trying to disable the tracker to jump without being noticed. They were not aware of the cloaked shuttles heading to the outpost until that communication. Without that interference the shuttle fleet would have got away.

Poe's plan was horribly flawed from the beginning. He took it upon himself to go behind the back of the commanders and set them up to die without knowing they would have been safe.

Holdo was completely right to not give Poe information. He shared it freely when he did get it and endangered everyone.

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darkknight109
12/25/17 4:42:09 PM
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yutterh posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
yutterh posted...
How did he kill most of the resistance?Finn and Rose didn't alter Holdo's plan. Her plan happened right on time.

Easy. Remember the scene where Finn, Rose, and the codebreaker are nearly in to the tracking room? Finn gets on the radio. Poe communicates to them on that radio that the ship is sending cloaked shuttles to the outpost. Until that point the shuttles were hidden and that was unknown. Codebreaker sells them out and throws in that information about the cloaked shuttles. That's why Finn and Rose are forced to watch them be destroyed. They killed those people. Had the shuttles remained cloaked it would have just been Holdo taking fire with the rest escaping. And that would have happened if Poe was not revealing their tactics openly.


The codebreaker already ratted them out though. They were ratted out before they got to the tracking room. Which is why there was a trap there. He didn't even rat out BB-8. He was just stopping them from disabling the tracker. I don't remember how they were able to see the ships but i don't think it was the codebreaker who did it. but then again, i probably have to watch it again. Even then though if that is what happened, Poe's mission would have been more succesful then holdo's either way. Cause all the ships would have been saved and not just the escapees. That should have been a last stand scenario. But Poe didn't trust Holdo and she didn't trust him, especially since he was just demoted.

You're misremembering.

They weren't ratted out at the start - the evil BB unit spotted BB-8 hiding under the crate and put two and two together (which is why he's there when the troops arrive to ambush Finn and Rose). After they get captured, DJ offers up information on the cloaked transports in exchange for his freedom and a payout. As Finn and Rose are in the hangar bay waiting to be executed, an officer runs up and says that they ran a scan for cloaked ships and found the transports, just as DJ said.

DJ wasn't evil - just in it for himself. When his job for the Resistance went pear-shaped, he switched sides.

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Doctor Foxx
12/25/17 4:50:16 PM
#61:


darkknight109 posted...
After they get captured, DJ offers up information on the cloaked transports in exchange for his freedom and a payout.

Yes he is missing the key thing here. That's information DJ couldn't have known without Poe doing what he did on the radio. DJ knew before then that these two were up to things against the first order and would have ratted either way to save himself. No disagreement there. Without that comm exchange would have just been Rose and Finn in trouble. Poe endangered the entire operation.
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yutterh
12/25/17 5:07:03 PM
#62:


Doctor Foxx posted...
darkknight109 posted...
After they get captured, DJ offers up information on the cloaked transports in exchange for his freedom and a payout.

Yes he is missing the key thing here. That's information DJ couldn't have known without Poe doing what he did on the radio. DJ knew before then that these two were up to things against the first order and would have ratted either way to save himself. No disagreement there. Without that comm exchange would have just been Rose and Finn in trouble. Poe endangered the entire operation.


Oh okay cool, thanks I didn't remember that. Thought they were ratted out before hand. Since DJ didn't go into the tracking room.
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Doctor Foxx
12/25/17 5:23:51 PM
#63:


yutterh posted...
Oh okay cool, thanks I didn't remember that. Thought they were ratted out before hand. Since DJ didn't go into the tracking room.

no one on that first order ship knew about that detail until Poe shared it openly, blood is on him for sending those two away on a mission and being so open with intel

Watch this movie a second time and you'll pick up on a lot of details that get lost in the shuffle. Most of what I was confused about was actually explained pretty well. That's why after a second viewing I like it a lot more.
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yutterh
12/25/17 6:30:20 PM
#64:


Doctor Foxx posted...
yutterh posted...
Oh okay cool, thanks I didn't remember that. Thought they were ratted out before hand. Since DJ didn't go into the tracking room.

no one on that first order ship knew about that detail until Poe shared it openly, blood is on him for sending those two away on a mission and being so open with intel

Watch this movie a second time and you'll pick up on a lot of details that get lost in the shuffle. Most of what I was confused about was actually explained pretty well. That's why after a second viewing I like it a lot more.


Honestly, I thought hux saw through their plan. He mentioned something about them not really giving up or something. Guess i was jsut giving Hux too much credit hahaha
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Mead
12/25/17 6:33:21 PM
#65:


Nightengale posted...
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I want a standalone Star Wars film just about porgs

They were added in because the island they were filming on had a ton of puffins on it and it was was easier to digitally draw them over than to chase them away


Now I want a series as well
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AllstarSniper32
12/25/17 6:39:20 PM
#66:


Doctor Foxx posted...
And that would have happened if Poe was not revealing their tactics openly.

I don't understand how people don't realize this is why leaders of military factions don't share all operation knowledge with every single soldier under their command. Yes, it's a rebellion, but it's also run like a military.
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darkknight109
12/25/17 7:00:14 PM
#67:


yutterh posted...
Oh okay cool, thanks I didn't remember that. Thought they were ratted out before hand. Since DJ didn't go into the tracking room.


He DID go into the tracking room, though. He was there with the rest of them when they were all arrested.
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yutterh
12/25/17 7:31:55 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
yutterh posted...
Oh okay cool, thanks I didn't remember that. Thought they were ratted out before hand. Since DJ didn't go into the tracking room.


He DID go into the tracking room, though. He was there with the rest of them when they were all arrested.


Yeah i think i am remembering that scene wrong it seems. I need to see it again for sure. I want to wait tell it comes out on DVD and I watch it right after TFA.
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Blightzkrieg
12/25/17 8:34:43 PM
#69:


AllstarSniper32 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
And that would have happened if Poe was not revealing their tactics openly.

I don't understand how people don't realize this is why leaders of military factions don't share all operation knowledge with every single soldier under their command. Yes, it's a rebellion, but it's also run like a military.

They dont have to but often do. What happened with purple hair is a colossal and unprecedented failure of leadership and failure to control the morale and actions of high ranking officers with enormous influence on the chain of command.
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Nightengale
12/25/17 8:50:50 PM
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Poe wasn't demoted because Leia didn't like him he was demoted so he doesn't literally get himself killed. You watch a dozen star pilots get killed and you're not gonna take chances with the ones you have left.

But there was absolutely a failure in communication on an insane level.
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ImmortalityV
12/25/17 9:21:40 PM
#71:


Best star wars movie bar none.
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ssj4supervegeta
12/26/17 2:37:30 AM
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snoke was a wasted character. kylo is weird. rei is close to being a mary sue. luke made no sense. yoda made no sense. fyn could be so much more. his romance with rose is so damn random. rose and that entire casino planet is a huge waste of time. purple hair vice admiral is a prime example of stupid ass leadership.

overall i was annoyed at a lot of points in the story. couldn't turn my brain off enough to get over the stupid shit going on.
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Nightengale
12/26/17 2:50:01 AM
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Lol people saying rey is a mary sue when max landis (the dude who started that) is currently being accused of rape
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LtCommanderData
12/26/17 3:24:49 AM
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Nightengale posted...
Lol people saying rey is a mary sue when max landis (the dude who started that) is currently being accused of rape


Uhhh so? People accused of rape can not ever be right about anything they have ever said? If he said Stalin was bad would you disagree with him?
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Nightengale
12/26/17 3:35:51 AM
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i wouldn't care what he has to say because he's a rapist
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LtCommanderData
12/26/17 3:17:22 PM
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Nightengale posted...
i wouldn't care what he has to say because he's a rapist


And apparently if other people had the same thoughts you would discount them because if the originator of an idea does bad things in his life then clearly the idea is wrong. Evolution is wrong because Darwin beat his wife.
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Nightengale
12/26/17 5:29:17 PM
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evolution isnt darwins opinion, its fact.
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Doctor Foxx
12/26/17 10:46:51 PM
#80:


yqhROwS

Hamill had said he regrets publicly airing his creative disagreement (as people are using the quote to say the movie is bad). Hamill says that this film is an all time great in the series
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Nightengale
12/26/17 10:52:34 PM
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that's a weird quote to cherry pick considering he literally goes on to say that it's good to be pushed out of your comfort zone and also mentions having a great working relationship with johnson
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Doctor Foxx
12/26/17 10:55:38 PM
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Nightengale posted...
that's a weird quote to cherry pick considering he literally goes on to say that it's good to be pushed out of your comfort zone and also mentions having a great working relationship with johnson

? The image is one Mark Hamill tweeted today

The disagreement people spoke of was from earlier this year in a vanity fair article
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Nightengale
12/26/17 11:17:43 PM
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yeah i know i didnt mean you haha
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AllstarSniper32
12/28/17 5:22:08 AM
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Nightengale posted...
yeah i know i didnt mean you haha

This is why there's a quote function so the right people know who to respond :P
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Nightengale
12/28/17 6:02:14 PM
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i dont need your LECTURING samuel
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SkynyrdRocker
12/30/17 5:09:38 PM
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It was really good. Poe is a big ole dummy though.
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