Poll of the Day > I saw Star Wars (probably spoilers)

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I honestly don't know how they were able to cram that into two and a half hours. There was SO much going on. Some parts definitely could've been cut out.

Overall though, it was good. Kylo Ren is a very fascinating character and I like that we got more insight into him. I like Rose, but I really hope they aren't planning on forcing in a romance. None of these people have romantic chemistry. >_>
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Everything to do with Kylo Ren was amazing and everything else kind of sucked, it was really weird.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

Everything to do with Kylo Ren was amazing and everything else kind of sucked, it was really weird.

Rian Johnson is apparently a huge fan of him. But he's not directing the next one so I'll be interested to see where they go with everything they did here.
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There's so much in it. When I left the theater I wasn't entirely sure what I watched. But I liked it.

I just went to see it again, you can pick up on a lot more with a second viewing. I like it more than Return of the Jedi and possibly even A New Hope.

Luke asking Rey if she wanted him to stare down the entire might of the First Order with only a laser sword... Haha
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My mom still has to see it so I'm gonna see it again soon. I saw TFA about three times before I really picked up everything on it, and that wasn't nearly as dense of a movie.

Someone pointed out to me that this one actually feels like a war is going on. I actually agree with that. It's clearly setting up a massive finale.
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I should watch TFA again before I see TLJ another time. My family hasn't seen it either and I'm visiting them on the 26th. I'm going to insist we go see it before I leave!

This movie made me actually really like Kylo Ren. I liked Rey a lot more as well. Luke was even more awesome after this movie; he has always been an interesting and flawed character, and there was some real redemption and wisdom from him.

The movie has its flaws... More than some Star Wars films and far fewer than others. I think the overall greatness of the battles, the dialog, the character building, and the continuation of the story come together and far outweigh the bad that's at hand. It's setting up a fantastic final episode.

I'm just worried about Abrams directing 9. Like if Johnson could have done 9 I would be all on board. But Abrams... I'll gladly say I noticed a grand total of zero lens flare effects in this movie and that's the correct number
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Nightengale posted...

I like Rose, but I really hope they aren't planning on forcing in a romance. None of these people have romantic chemistry. >_>

I actually wouldn't mind Finn x Rose. I felt they had better chemistry than about 80% of people that get married irl.

And I do agree with people that their sections weren't completely needed, but I liked their side quest so I don't mind at all that it's in the movie.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Luke was even more awesome after this movie;

I've seen the complaints about the movie "ruining him". And while this Luke isn't really the Luke I want to see, I understand that time irl has passed and Mark Hamill isn't young anymore. If they made a movie where Luke was super powerful like in the EU then they'd have to have a lot of cgi Luke in there. I feel the people saying that don't have a grasp on real world time passing...

This Luke has lived life and has made a terrible fear based choice which drove him into exile.

Do I want to see Luke learning and getting super powerful in the force? of course!!! But the only way they could do this is with heavy cgi or just a fully animated movie/show. The "fanboys" need to realize the universe has moved on and new characters are needed.
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Kylo Ren is easily the most interesting character in the new trilogy, I just don't think it makes any sense to make him the main antagonist since he's constantly portrayed as non threatening and being weaker than Rey.

He's an interesting character, but he's not scary or threatening. As the main antagonist, he's like a 90's Saturday morning cartoon villain which the heroes fight every week but they never actually take him that seriously.

Nightengale posted...

There was SO much going on. Some parts definitely could've been cut out.

Like the whole Finn and Rose misadventures subplot?

Nightengale posted...

I like Rose, but I really hope they aren't planning on forcing in a romance. None of these people have romantic chemistry. >_>

I feel like a lot of decisions people make in TLJ felt like a forced way to push the plot in a certain direction.
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DarkKirby2500 posted...

He's an interesting character, but he's not scary or threatening. As the main antagonist, he's like a 90's Saturday morning cartoon villain which the heroes fight every week but they never actually take him that seriously.

He's in a position of power and he's calculating, bad-tempered, and impulsive. That alone makes him an effective villain. Consider that he is literally trying to emulate Darth Vader but falls short in many respects, primarily because he's trying too hard. There's no telling what he'll do to prove himself.

But it definitely speaks to the inexperience of his main targets as well. Even after everything, Rey tells him it's not too late, when he is far more dangerous alive than dead, period.

DarkKirby2500 posted...

Like the whole Finn and Rose misadventures subplot?

Eh that wasn't terrible, it was cool to get to see Canto Bight, but honestly? The codebreaker character was totally useless. Could have probably removed him entirely. It would've been cool if BB-8 jacked a ship alone to help them escape.
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How the audience sees kylo is the directors and scripts fault. From what I understand from fans I the series Kylo is supposed to be extremely bad ass, and could give Vadar a run for his money (but lose eventually)
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FellWolf posted...

How the audience sees kylo is the directors and scripts fault. From what I understand from fans I the series Kylo is supposed to be extremely bad ass, and could give Vadar a run for his money (but lose eventually)

Not too sure about that, he is clearly shown to be inexperienced despite his power. Remember in TFA when he kept punching the wound from Chewie shooting him? That was him trying to harness the pain as power, but he hasn't learned how to effectively do that yet. And not long after he tells Rey he can teach her how to use the Force. He's a walking contradiction and that's what makes his character fascinating.
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Nightengale posted...

FellWolf posted...

How the audience sees kylo is the directors and scripts fault. From what I understand from fans I the series Kylo is supposed to be extremely bad ass, and could give Vadar a run for his money (but lose eventually)

Not too sure about that, he is clearly shown to be inexperienced despite his power. Remember in TFA when he kept punching the wound from Chewie shooting him? That was him trying to harness the pain as power, but he hasn't learned how to effectively do that yet. And not long after he tells Rey he can teach her how to use the Force. He's a walking contradiction and that's what makes his character fascinating.

In the movies
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well im sorry i didnt read your 100k word slow burn modern au fanfic
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Nightengale posted...

well im sorry i didnt read your 100k word slow burn modern au fanfic

I didn't either. I just said based on conversations with people that have read all that shit. Not fanfics btw.

I said it's directors and scripts fault. Then you are like "he is clearly show to be blah blah blah" which doesn't change or challenge what I said at all. If he was presented as more bad ass he would feel better as the main villain.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Luke asking Rey if she wanted him to stare down the entire might of the First Order with only a laser sword... Haha

This bothered me. Why would he call it a lasersword when it's called a Lightsabre?
This new trilogy feels more and more like a fanfic : /
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LeetCheet posted...

This bothered me. Why would he call it a lasersword when it's called a Lightsabre?
This new trilogy feels more and more like a fanfic : /

He was mocking her idea of Luke rescuing the resistance fighters. I don't see what's hard to follow
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Bad movie was bad
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FellWolf posted...

Nightengale posted...

well im sorry i didnt read your 100k word slow burn modern au fanfic

I didn't either. I just said based on conversations with people that have read all that shit. Not fanfics btw.

I said it's directors and scripts fault. Then you are like "he is clearly show to be blah blah blah" which doesn't change or challenge what I said at all. If he was presented as more bad ass he would feel better as the main villain.

Well most people suck at watching movies tbh
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I enjoyed the movie. It stumbled a bit for the first third of the movie, but it started finding its pace after that and by the end I was 100% sold.

Nightengale posted...

Eh that wasn't terrible, it was cool to get to see Canto Bight, but honestly? The codebreaker character was totally useless. Could have probably removed him entirely. It would've been cool if BB-8 jacked a ship alone to help them escape.

I loved the codebreaker character. Honestly I found myself more invested in just about every character in TLJ, but the codebreaker was one of my favourites. And while the only thing of ultimate significance that he did was sell the Resistance out and get most of them killed, he was still super-interesting and very well acted. I would love to see him back in Episode IX.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Luke was even more awesome after this movie

Doctor Foxx posted...

I like it more than Return of the Jedi and possibly even A New Hope.

its amazing how consistently i disagree with you
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The movie was mostly trash like TFA. And Luke's death was so disappointing. So instead of going out like a champ he dies from being tired... lmao. He's so out of character too. Luke would do anything to save someone from the dark side even when there seemed to be zero hope but now he won't give Kylo Ren a chance when it seems that there is still obviously some good in him.

And then there's the ship that's running out of fuel... are you kidding me? Dumb as fuck. Oh and how about the bombs that somehow plummet in the vacuum of space... hahaha. Such a ridiculous fucking movie

Man if you didn't even like TFA I got nothing to say to you
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quigonzel posted...

I love how people say they ruined Luke while forgetting that he briefly turned to the Dark Side and almost murdered his own father but came to his senses at the last second.

Kind of reminded me of a scene in The Last Jedi.

Yeah people saying "Luke would never do that!!"

Yeah... that's why... he didn't do it
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quigonzel posted...

I love how people say they ruined Luke while forgetting that he briefly turned to the Dark Side and almost murdered his own father but came to his senses at the last second.

Kind of reminded me of a scene in The Last Jedi.

I think theres a big difference between defending yourself from a lightsaber and getting pissed in the heat of the moment like he did against Darth vs almost killing your two best friends kid in his sleep cause he had some dark thoughts.

I hate how they keep saying we have to do new things to keep the franchise moving forward, you guys just want rehashes of the old movies! I would buy that if the movies werent about just another tiny group of rebels vs this massive, super well-funded empire. Like what the fuck was the point of the OT then?
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

quigonzel posted...

I love how people say they ruined Luke while forgetting that he briefly turned to the Dark Side and almost murdered his own father but came to his senses at the last second.

Kind of reminded me of a scene in The Last Jedi.

I think theres a big difference between defending yourself from a lightsaber and getting pissed in the heat of the moment like he did against Darth vs almost killing your two best friends kid in his sleep cause he had some dark thoughts.

This exactly.

Also, like never turned to the dark side. Not in anything considered canon at least

I also hate that everyone seems to have forgotten that Star Wars is based on classic storytelling tropes and mythology, not LOL WE LUV 2 SUBVERT UR EXPACTASHIONS
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

I also hate that everyone seems to have forgotten that Star Wars is based on classic storytelling tropes and mythology, not LOL WE LUV 2 SUBVERT UR EXPACTASHIONS

Subverting my expectations wouldn't even necessarily be bad if they didn't do a shit job with it

quigonzel posted...

OhhhJa posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

quigonzel posted...

I love how people say they ruined Luke while forgetting that he briefly turned to the Dark Side and almost murdered his own father but came to his senses at the last second.

Kind of reminded me of a scene in The Last Jedi.

I think theres a big difference between defending yourself from a lightsaber and getting pissed in the heat of the moment like he did against Darth vs almost killing your two best friends kid in his sleep cause he had some dark thoughts.

This exactly.

Also, like never turned to the dark side. Not in anything considered canon at least

You sure about that? Luke literally looks insane after cutting off Vader's hand and has his lightsaber at his throat.

No. He dipped into the Dark Side. He was pushed over the edge mentally through the combined efforts of Palpatine and Vader saying he'd turn Leia.

not to mention he's the son of Anakin... guy who slaughtered all the Jedi. he has that urge in himself. the difference is Luke is far more disciplined and steady in his resolve. Ben solo has that Anakin blood in him, too. That's part of the story: Luke overcomes this part of himself, Ben is feeding that darkness. Light and dark exist in everyone.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

quigonzel posted...

OhhhJa posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

quigonzel posted...

I love how people say they ruined Luke while forgetting that he briefly turned to the Dark Side and almost murdered his own father but came to his senses at the last second.

Kind of reminded me of a scene in The Last Jedi.

I think theres a big difference between defending yourself from a lightsaber and getting pissed in the heat of the moment like he did against Darth vs almost killing your two best friends kid in his sleep cause he had some dark thoughts.

This exactly.

Also, like never turned to the dark side. Not in anything considered canon at least

You sure about that? Luke literally looks insane after cutting off Vader's hand and has his lightsaber at his throat.

No. He dipped into the Dark Side. He was pushed over the edge mentally through the combined efforts of Palpatine and Vader saying he'd turn Leia.

not to mention he's the son of Anakin... guy who slaughtered all the Jedi. he has that urge in himself. the difference is Luke is far more disciplined and steady in his resolve. Ben solo has that Anakin blood in him, too. That's part of the story: Luke overcomes this part of himself, Ben is feeding that darkness. Light and dark exist in everyone.

I'll admit that I'm that universe anyone of course has the potential to turn to the dark side and Luke has had moments where he was close but he always made the right decision. But the scene with Kylo Ren sleeping was a little much for me. I just think that was completely out of character and Mark Hamill agrees. Who knows his character better than him other than George Lucas maybe

SmokeMassTree posted...

Bad movie was bad

I don't understand why people say the subplot was pointless. It was very well needed, in fact poe's reasoning for not doing the escape pod plan actually happened. So the subplot would have worked if rose and finn didn't screw it up and park where they weren't supposed to. They would have succesfully disabled the tractor and everyone, including the vice admiral, would have lived. The vice admiral would not have listened to poe and poe would not have listened to the vice admiral, but if they did come together and get serious people to go after the code breaker it would have worked. The whole point of the subplot is that they were two different plans both pulled off half assed because the crew didn't trust each other without leia.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

I hate how they keep saying we have to do new things to keep the franchise moving forward, you guys just want rehashes of the old movies! I would buy that if the movies werent about just another tiny group of rebels vs this massive, super well-funded empire. Like what the fuck was the point of the OT then?

1. The Galactic Republic Rules, is being infiltrated by dark forces and falling apart
2. The Galactic Republic is split in two, civil war envelops the galaxy as the Republic becomes more miltaristic
3. The Galactic Republic destroys the separatists, purges unwanted elements and becomes an evil Empire
4. A small Rebellion begins to develop, and wins a massive victory over the evil Empire
5. The Rebellion and Empire engage in a massive war, and the Rebellion is forced to occupy a mobile fleet
6. The Rebel fleet goes for an all or nothing attack and destroys the evil Empire
7. There's a Republic again. But also an evil Empire. And some more rebels. The rebels win a crushing victory against the evil Empire.
8. The evil Empire is more powerful than ever lmao and the rebels have like two ships left literally nothing from the last movie matters

...there are some issues
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Blightzkrieg posted...

7. There's a Republic again. But also an evil Empire. And some more rebels. The rebels win a crushing victory against the evil Empire.
8. The evil Empire is more powerful than ever lmao and the rebels have like two ships left literally nothing from the last movie matters

...there are some issues

Did you miss the part in 7 where the republics fleet and current base of operations was completely obliterated by the first order? They warned that the empire was building up and the republic decided to do nothing. which was then wiped out by the starkiller base. The resistance barely won that victory against starkiller base. The empire isn't back stronger then ever. They just wiped out the opposition with one attack and fought the remnants of them. Part 8 was about the resistance trying to survive, if they lost that battle and leia died, the empire would be back in full force and this time no one would stand up to them.
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No I did not miss the 5 seconds where they blew up a planet no one's heard of and they were like "wow the entire Republic is dead now" and never mentioned it again. I think the director forgot about it though.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

I also hate that everyone seems to have forgotten that Star Wars is based on classic storytelling tropes and mythology, not LOL WE LUV 2 SUBVERT UR EXPACTASHIONS

I mean read fuckin lord of the rings or some shit if you want the same thing over and over lmao
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that doesnt even make sense, theres only 3 LotRs and theyre all part of one story.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

No I did not miss the 5 seconds where they blew up a planet no one's heard of and they were like "wow the entire Republic is dead now" and never mentioned it again. I think the director forgot about it though.

It was a decently big deal. They discussed how the rebels have no more reinforcements which is how you got to where episode 8 went.
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quigonzel posted...

You sure about that?

You don't even have to get to the point of when he cut off Vader's hand. As soon as Luke pulled the lightsaber out of pure anger he was in the dark side. He's shown that he's prone to emotional decision making and then making the right decision, you know, just like he did with Ben in The Last Jedi.

"Oh, Luke would never make an emotional decision like he did in The Last Jedi!"

lol.
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I want a standalone Star Wars film just about porgs
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I'd like to see more 'non-episodic' Star Wars films like Rogue One.
One day I hope we get to see a movie which focuses on the Empire's side and their efforts to stop the Rebels.
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Mead posted...

I want a standalone Star Wars film just about porgs

They were added in because the island they were filming on had a ton of puffins on it and it was was easier to digitally draw them over than to chase them away
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Luke asking Rey if she wanted him to stare down the entire might of the First Order with only a laser sword... Haha

Why did he call it a laser sword anyway?

Blightzkrieg posted...

Everything to do with Kylo Ren was amazing and everything else kind of sucked, it was really weird.

Came here to say this

Finn and Rose simply didn't belong. You could cut almost their entire subplot out of the movie and it would have played out the same.

Why did he call it a laser sword anyway?

mockery, i've seen it used in a couple older star wars games too. always used in mockery.

They were added in because the island they were filming on had a ton of puffins on it and it was was easier to digitally draw them over than to chase them away

iirc puffins are protected anyway, so they had the choice of digitally editing them out, or making them part of the movie. imo smart choice
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vhiran posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Everything to do with Kylo Ren was amazing and everything else kind of sucked, it was really weird.

Came here to say this

Finn and Rose simply didn't belong. You could cut almost their entire subplot out of the movie and it would have played out the same.

Why does everyone say this? The movie would have played out extremely differently if they had succeeded. They failed because they didn't get the trust worthy codebreaker. Instead they got a evil scoundral who betrayed them. I feel people miss the importance of this subplot. They would have not only escaped with the three ships they had, they would have also escaped with the crew completely alive. The resistance was done for if the vice admiral didn't sacrifice her self. The mission would have succeeded if they got worthy spies in there, also the reason why finn and rose were chosen for the mission, is because poe could trust them. The whole point of the movie was to show how important liea was to the resistance.
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yutterh posted...

vhiran posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

Everything to do with Kylo Ren was amazing and everything else kind of sucked, it was really weird.

Came here to say this

Finn and Rose simply didn't belong. You could cut almost their entire subplot out of the movie and it would have played out the same.

Why does everyone say this? The movie would have played out extremely differently if they had succeeded. They failed because they didn't get the trust worthy codebreaker. Instead they got a evil scoundral who betrayed them. I feel people miss the importance of this subplot. They would have not only escaped with the three ships they had, they would have also escaped with the crew completely alive. The resistance was done for if the vice admiral didn't sacrifice her self. The mission would have succeeded if they got worthy spies in there, also the reason why finn and rose were chosen for the mission, is because poe could trust them. The whole point of the movie was to show how important liea was to the resistance.

I'm pretty sure the whole point was that an unproven leader shouldn't refuse to tell her subordinates that she has a plan and be an ass to anyone who asks her what her plan is for no reason while intentionally feigning to not have a plan other than just letting the entire crew die.

Also, escape pods that are somehow cloaked but not cloaked if you know they are cloaked?

Also, needing to power up escape pods kind of defeats the purpose of escape pods.
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This movie also had the most tragic death the entire series has ever suffered the death of Admiral Ackbar :'(
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... How do you do a soft reboot? :I
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before watching the last jedi, i watched rogue one

R1 loses me near the end with the continuous string of ass-pulls to get out of tight spots
it's important to give all the characters something critical to do, but having everyone pull through beyond reasonable odds felt very unreal. TLJ was opposite in this regard where you see characters repeatedly screw up royal, in a very reasonable fashion. I'll remind you that most rebel plans were basically suicide missions

like if you were looking for the template hero film:
Holdo would hand over the fleet to Poe, and he would ass-pull his way into a rebel victory
Rey would go through her training montage under Luke, turned Ben and killed Snoke
imagine if you would like that film.

as TFA is a re-hash of ANH, we expected a rehash of empire
problem is in trying to rehash empire. do you copy the play-by-play? or do you copy the part where they messed with ppl? is "I am your father" significant because it's important to the story that Luke is related to Vader? or is it because we never saw it coming?

i'm quite happy with what we got