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But I feel like if I did, I would start to think myself superior to people who aren't. I wanna care for the environment and stop contributing to the disgusting animal slaughter industry.
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sounds like you're well on your way
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I just watched a video where a lion ate an ox's calf in front of it alive while two other lions were in the middle of eating the ox alive.

I'll never understand vegans' thought processes. We humanely kill every animal we use for food, pain isn't tasty or efficient.
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I tried it for a while, it requires a lot more thought, obviously.
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Fishy posted...

I just watched a video where a lion ate an ox's calf in front of it alive while two other lions were in the middle of eating the ox alive.

I'll never understand vegans' thought processes. We humanely kill every animal we use for food, pain isn't tasty or efficient.

I understand what you mean, but I think we are a little bit above savage animals, and if we have the ability to not cause unnecessary suffering, I think that's a good thing.
Also, we may kill them in a humane fashion, but the conditions they live in, while merely eating and waiting for their death, is no way to treat another living being.
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chollima posted...

I tried it for a while, it requires a lot more thought, obviously.

Yeah, it does, but I like cooking.
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Also, some recipes look really good.
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Are you currently vegetarian? People usually go vegan in stages. It's not going to be an easy ride if you go straight from eating everything to suddenly cutting out like 85% of what you're used to.
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Mister_Spyker posted...

the conditions they live in, while merely eating and waiting for their death,

That's how they live in the wild too - rummage around looking for food while being hunted by other animals.
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Im thinking about it too. Nobody needs meat.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

the conditions they live in, while merely eating and waiting for their death,

That's how they live in the wild too - rummage around looking for food while being hunted by other animals.

That sounds like an oversimplification
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Mister_Spyker posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

the conditions they live in, while merely eating and waiting for their death,

That's how they live in the wild too - rummage around looking for food while being hunted by other animals.

That sounds like an oversimplification

Nope - I suggest you educate yourself. There's nature documentaries for free on the net.
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Maybe go Vegetarian first to ease into it? I eat little meat, but do still eat it. Like once a week. taking out the meat was actually surprisingly easy for me in the sense that I don't really get cravings for it. But I was a pretty boring eater. Mainly eggs, yogurt, lentils, beans, veggies, and some meat are what I ate.
So I've just replaced the meat with tofu, veggie meat, etc.

The times I end up eating meat are when I go out with friends.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

the conditions they live in, while merely eating and waiting for their death,

That's how they live in the wild too - rummage around looking for food while being hunted by other animals.

That sounds like an oversimplification

Nope - I suggest you educate yourself. There's nature documentaries for free on the net.

I've seen a bunch, that's how animals live in the wild. Also, you don't have to be condescending, we can have a civil discussion. Equating a free life in the wild with the encarceration and slaughter of animals in a slaughterhouse, just because in both situations animals eat and get killed, is a gross oversimplification.
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emblem boy posted...

Maybe go Vegetarian first to ease into it? I eat little meat, but do still eat it. Like once a week. taking out the meat was actually surprisingly easy for me in the sense that I don't really get cravings for it. But I was a pretty boring eater. Mainly eggs, yogurt, lentils, beans, veggies, and some meat are what I ate.
So I've just replaced the meat with tofu, veggie meat, etc.

The times I end up eating meat are when I go out with friends.

Well, I think if you're gonna go, you're gonna go. I will ease into it, like, if someone offers me meat that they've already prepared, or cake, or whatever, I'll eat it, because it would be rude to reject food that someone made for me. Also, not eating it wouldn't change a thing, since it's already bought and prepared.
Wasting food is worse than eating meat, imo.
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I dont think its rude. Its your dietary choice. Maybe warn the people ahead of time
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Ya, I don't really think wasting or not finishing food is rude. If they understand why you don't want to eat it, that should be all that's needed. I'm guessing you're not in an environment where food is so scarce that it's a life or death situation.

But if they specifically made it for you and didn't know about your diet choice, I can see why people would consider it rude.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOqb1l4__1A
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Hairy-man posted...

I dont think its rude. Its your dietary choice. Maybe warn the people ahead of time

Well, it will change absolutely nothing whether I eat it or not, so I'd rather accept it and tell them I usually wouldn't.
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I watched a vid of farmer forcibly impregnating a cow (warning dairy eaters). but they gotta force the cow to be pregnant for it to produce milk. shit is gross and it activated my brain. then the vid of extracting the semon and i imagined my dick being chopped off. i never went back. link in bio

1. Do your fucking research or you will end up deficient in several nutrients and such.
2. If you are serious ease into it. Instantly forcing a big lifestyle change is a great way to fail hard.
3. Dont be a douche about it. Dont rag on people you see it eating meat. Dont be mad if a party doesnt accommodate you.
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My mom is fit but she just had heart surgery because of high cholesterol inherited from her mother and is forced to go vegan, she can't stand it.
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You don't have to go full-blown vegan. There's nothing inherently cruel about the practice of farming and using animal byproducts such as milk or eggs. You can research which brands use free-range hens, for instance.

Fishy posted...

I'll never understand vegans' thought processes

We're civilized humans, not wild animals struggling for survival. If we can afford not to slaughter animals, then why continue to do it?

StridentArremer posted...

You don't have to go full-blown vegan. There's nothing inherently cruel about the practice of farming and using animal byproducts such as milk or eggs. You can research which brands use free-range hens, for instance.

Fishy posted...

I'll never understand vegans' thought processes

We're civilized humans, not wild animals struggling for survival. If we can afford not to slaughter animals, then why continue to do it?

Totally agree with that, I would totally eat some eggs that my grandma gets from her own chickens or something. Iffy on the cows though, I see a lot of milk being sold as a very natural product, but I can't get enough information on the farms.
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What about my dog, tho? Imma still be buying be dog food which has meat from slaughterhouses
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Did you watch Cowspiracy?
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Dr_Agon posted...

Did you watch Cowspiracy?

Nop. I think that's a sensationalist movie.
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Still have a lot meat in the house, so that'll help me ease into it.
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Do you think society will ever go full vegan?
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Mister_Spyker posted...

Do you think society will ever go full vegan?

I doubt it. Although vegetarianism is very mainstream in India. There would have to be some really compelling cultural or religious reason for the entire world to do something like this.

Mister_Spyker posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

the conditions they live in, while merely eating and waiting for their death,

That's how they live in the wild too - rummage around looking for food while being hunted by other animals.

That sounds like an oversimplification

lmao what. what do you think they do, grow up, get an education and a job, come home from a long day to watch national geographic, put their kids to bed and then fuck their wife?
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I love meat too much, but I could salad all day, love that shit.
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I am attempting to go half vegan. I am going to try to cut out all beef consumption. I don't know if I can give up beef or chicken though. I think i will just limit those.
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foreveraIone posted...

I am attempting to go half vegan. I am going to try to cut out all beef consumption. I don't know if I can give up beef or chicken though. I think i will just limit those.

I already do beef sparingly. I tend to eat mostly pork, chicken, and fish.
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HighOnSolar posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

the conditions they live in, while merely eating and waiting for their death,

That's how they live in the wild too - rummage around looking for food while being hunted by other animals.

That sounds like an oversimplification

lmao what. what do you think they do, grow up, get an education and a job, come home from a long day to watch national geographic, put their kids to bed and then fuck their wife?

If you honestly don't see the difference between these two lifestyles, you're either blind or you're willfully ignorant.
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lol hey man you can eat whatever you like, but you're not exactly winning any awards yourself saying that he's oversimplifying things right after so eloquently describing their lifestyle as "eating and waiting for their death".

Mister_Spyker posted...

But I feel like if I did, I would start to think myself superior to people who aren't.

Mister_Spyker posted...

If you honestly don't see the difference between these two lifestyles, you're either blind or you're willfully ignorant.

As I said, it sounds like you're well on your way :)
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HighOnSolar posted...

lol hey man you can eat whatever you like, but you're not exactly winning any awards yourself saying that he's oversimplifying things right after so eloquently describing their lifestyle as "eating and waiting for their death".

Mister_Spyker posted...

But I feel like if I did, I would start to think myself superior to people who aren't.

Mister_Spyker posted...

If you honestly don't see the difference between these two lifestyles, you're either blind or you're willfully ignorant.

As I said, it sounds like you're well on your way :)

Well, if that's what you call thinking of myself highly than others, then I don't have a problem with doing that.
Your argument is really bad
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StridentArremer posted...

You don't have to go full-blown vegan. There's nothing inherently cruel about the practice of farming and using animal byproducts such as milk or eggs. You can research which brands use free-range hens, for instance.

I agree with that, though it should be researched fairly extensively to navigate all the marketing and buzzwords to understand what you're actually getting into

But yeah if you're into cooking TC you shouldn't find it very hard. I'd say mainly you'll just want to get a source of b12 to supplement, but otherwise with proper planning you can get everything you need
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First and foremost, consult with your doctor and have a full physical including blood work. Any change in diet, especially a drastic one like this, could have any number of ramifications on your health. The last thing you need is to go in this blind and harm yourself.

Secondly, I echo doing this in stages. Start with flexitarianism. Halve your meat consumption then reduce it to once or twice a week. Look for sustainable and responsible meat/animal product sources. This is what I do most of the time and it's wonderful. I get to have my meat and eat it, too. I haven't completely removed myself from the disgusting cycle of factory farms and animal suffering but I do enough to feel comfortable and not torment myself from deprivation. If everyone did this, we could make a huge dent in factory farms. A pipe dream, though, that.

That said, I do Veganuary every year as an exercise in self-control, self-discovery, and a cleanse of sorts. Not a "purge your body of toxins" cleanse but a kind of mental cleanse. Not eating meat will put your entire purview of food into perspective and make you appreciate your diet more, regardless of if you stick with veganism.

If you get to full on veganism, get yourself a quality b12 supplement. I think there are two or three, cyanosomething and methisomething, I forget the third. You want the methisomething one. It will be a bit pricier but it's better for you.

Don't fall into the trap of "I'm not eating meat/animal products, therefore I'm a good vegan." That's bullshit. If you're not eating animal products but you're eating Doritos and Taco Bueno bean burritos for most of your meals (no bullshit, this kind of thing actually fucking happens) you're not a good vegan. Your mission to save the animals is negated by the fact that you're harming literally the most important animal in your life: you. If you care about animals, take care of yourself and maximize your possible time to be here and do good.

Get lots of actual vegetables, grains, etc. in your diet. Veganism isn't just about not eating meat and animal products, it's about eating a wide range of everything else available to humans. Get your leafy greens, your root vegetables, your fungi, go for a variety of grains, nuts, and legumes. If you eat a rich and diverse diet in all of these things, you can get just about all over you necessary nutrients, everything but b12. Supplements might be necessary if you don't (or even if you do) but again, talk to your doctor.

Don't fall into the meat substitute trap. A lot of those are loaded with sodium and high calorie filler and they're just not the same. I think there's some Quorn (a proprietary fungus) that is pretty decent and you might find that some of them fit into your diet but be mindful of what they really are, same as you would anything else.

Don't beat yourself up if you can't pull it off, even in stages. It's a radical departure from what is likely a lifelong cultural inclination in addition to human instinct. You may find that you settle for vegetarianism or flexitarianism and that is okay. There's no sense in making yourself miserable. Just roll animal product consumption back and try to do better. You might find it easier later in life.
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Thank you for a very reasonable and informational post, @millenials, I will look into the b12. Even as a meat eater I don't like fast food at all, I will be trying to home cook most of my meals. I still have some meat products I bought before this, so I'll ease into it eating those irregularly and mixing it with a new diet. I will consult a nutritionist. B12 sounds like the biggest problem tho, how often would I need it, and can I get it from eggs or something like that?
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Been doing some research, I think I can get my daily intake with 2 bowls of all-bran with soy milk a day
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Mister_Spyker posted...

Been doing some research, I think I can get my daily intake with 2 bowls of all-bran with soy milk a day

For b12? Possibly, many brands of alternative milk (as well as other vegan products) are fortified with it but check and make sure first.

Also keep in mind the form it's in makes a difference as Millenials mentioned (you methylcobalamin) and having a good supplement is still helpful imo. But as to your question you can get it from eggs and dairy. It's more a worry if you go fully vegan.
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InYourWalls1 posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

Been doing some research, I think I can get my daily intake with 2 bowls of all-bran with soy milk a day

For b12? Possibly, many brands of alternative milk (as well as other vegan products) are fortified with it but check and make sure first.

Also keep in mind the form it's in makes a difference as Millenials mentioned (you methylcobalamin) and having a good supplement is still helpful imo. But as to your question you can get it from eggs and dairy. It's more a worry if you go fully vegan.

I'm thinking about at least eating some eggs from people who have chickens that I know of.
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