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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 9:59:18 AM
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Good shit I took out my $1500 investment that I made couple months ago for around $2200 on Tuesday, when it started to be too volatile for my comfort.
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solosnake
12/22/17 10:00:09 AM
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its so that i can buy it when it hits the low point :)
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Error1355
12/22/17 10:02:14 AM
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It's almost like a currency that is gaining value only because it is gaining value is unstable. Hmm!
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PurestProdigy
12/22/17 10:03:15 AM
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Whales cash out before they go on holiday. Can't keep your eye on the market when you're on vacation.
Happened in June too.
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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 10:04:45 AM
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Error1355 posted...
It's almost like a currency that is gaining value only because it is gaining value is unstable. Hmm!

While I know these were created to be decentralized currency, it really failed at being one, and became more like an asset.

Also, to be exact, I pulled money out of bitcoin, litecoin, ethereum, tron, and Ripple. I checked these today, and Ripple seems to be pretty stable! But then again, Ripple is the most centralized of the cryptocurrencies.
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hollow_shrine
12/22/17 10:05:42 AM
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Because people are starting to realize it's a kind of capital gains and that it can theoretically be taxed as such, and because recent reporting about it reveals it's value to be somewhat illusory. Granted the value of all money is illusory, but most currencies are backed by something real that carries consistent value. Cryptocurrencies are not. They're a bubble that is largely kept afloat by our attention spans.
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solosnake
12/22/17 10:12:13 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Because people are starting to realize it's a kind of capital gains and that it can theoretically be taxed as such, and because recent reporting about it reveals it's value to be somewhat illusory. Granted the value of all money is illusory, but most currencies are backed by something real that carries consistent value. Cryptocurrencies are not. They're a bubble that is largely kept afloat by our attention spans.

Actually most modern currencies arent backed by anything
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The_Juice_
12/22/17 10:13:27 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
but most currencies are backed by something real that carries consistent value.


ITP we're still on the gold standard
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SpiralDrift
12/22/17 10:15:10 AM
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I'm not convinced it has a future as a currency that people actually use. There will be a US-backed digital currency at some point and it will probably be something new.
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hollow_shrine
12/22/17 10:15:28 AM
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Guilty, I'm apparently still living in the fifties.
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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 10:17:41 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
I'm not convinced it has a future as a currency that people actually use. There will be a US-backed digital currency at some point and it will probably be something new.

The only cryptocurrency that I know of that tries to fight this type of volatility, to gain favors of banks and actual usage as currency, is Ripple. And it showed, in this current crash today.
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AlisLandale
12/22/17 10:22:05 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
I'm not convinced it has a future as a currency that people actually use. There will be a US-backed digital currency at some point and it will probably be something new.


Not in its current state, no. Its got way too sharp of a learning curve, and getting started can take days and the exchanges arent exactly reliable.

We'll know when a cryptocurrency is about to take off when your job offers to pay you in it instead of a live check. >_>
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DifferentialEquation
12/22/17 10:23:49 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
There will be a US-backed digital currency at some point and it will probably be something new.


Trumpcoin
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Giant_Aspirin
12/22/17 10:26:13 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
investment


lol
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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 10:27:34 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
IdiotMachine posted...
investment


lol

It worked on my end. Got $700 over a month and a half vs nothing lol
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booboy
12/22/17 10:28:17 AM
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I'm just watching coinbase's ETH trades in real time, and it's fucking mind boggling.
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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 10:28:52 AM
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booboy posted...
I'm just watching coinbase's ETH trades in real time, and it's fucking mind boggling.

How so?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/22/17 10:30:31 AM
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Eh, bitcoin is less fiat than other currencies, it's "backed" by mathematical limitations versus, "lets print more."
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booboy
12/22/17 10:31:32 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
booboy posted...
I'm just watching coinbase's ETH trades in real time, and it's fucking mind boggling.

How so?


Just seeing 5+ transactions a second, I didn't know that something as still off-the-radar as cryptocurrency was this hot.
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NeoShadowhen
12/22/17 10:32:07 AM
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The people behind the crypto currencies are going to crash the market in the days leading up to the holidays. They figure that the combination of it crashing and the overall high suicide rate of the holidays will lead to maximum casualties.
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I Like Toast
12/22/17 10:32:42 AM
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The_Juice_ posted...

ITP we're still on the gold standard

Itp government backed currencies aren't backed by the countries gdp
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clearaflagrantj
12/22/17 10:33:40 AM
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Here's my serious opinion:

- The entire market was incredibly overbought, Bitcoin included. Bitcoin had an incredibly strong run from $6,000 to $19,000 in the span of just a few weeks. Ethereum went from $300 to $900, Litecoin from $100 to $420. Recently altcoins like Ripple, Verge, and IOTA all increased about fivefold in the span of just a couple of weeks (after the main coins surged, meaning people were likely taking their profits and investing into the lesser known coins)

- Bcash being added to Coinbase showed that the market is highly volatile, it was an absolute mess of insider trading and shook a lot of people's confidence

- New year approaching, people selling profits now for tax bullshit

I've seen plenty of crashes with scary reasons, but this just feels like a big healthy pullback. Since a lot of noobs entered the space the whales realized there are a lot of new weak hands to steal money from. I think in two weeks we'll get back to where we were and grow at a healthy rate.
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booboy
12/22/17 10:35:06 AM
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So then where should one trade if Coinbase had a lot of insider trading?
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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 10:35:57 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
I think in two weeks we'll get back to where we were and grow at a healthy rate.

I think in a week or two, we will stabilize (not get back to the $20k, $800, $400 figure) and see it grow again. Basically this "crash" will just become a correction.
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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 10:37:38 AM
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booboy posted...
So then where should one trade if Coinbase had a lot of insider trading?

Nowhere. Insider trading affects the value of the currency as a whole. Choosing a different broker won't make you immune to it.
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booboy
12/22/17 10:38:33 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
booboy posted...
So then where should one trade if Coinbase had a lot of insider trading?

Nowhere. Insider trading affects the value of the currency as a whole. Choosing a different broker won't make you immune to it.


So Coinbase is still reliable, in the extent that cryptos in general are reliable?
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hollow_shrine
12/22/17 10:41:22 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
Bcash being added to Coinbase showed that the market is highly volatile, it was an absolute mess of insider trading and shook a lot of people's confidence

I struggle with this one, because it kind of seemed obvious. People who regularly traded had to see this going on if they didn't actively engage in it themselves. We're they just hoping to build the bubble and then cash out at the right moment? How can anyone have thought of this as a viable investment?
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HowardStern69
12/22/17 10:42:26 AM
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it'll be back up again in a week or two
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Steve Nick
12/22/17 10:42:52 AM
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Hmm, bitcoin prices have been rising, I should buy some bitcoin.

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clearaflagrantj
12/22/17 10:44:18 AM
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booboy posted...
So then where should one trade if Coinbase had a lot of insider trading?

Gemini for USD into BTC/ETH trading, then move your BTC and ETH to Bittrex and Binance for altcoin trading. The only thing you'd be missing out on is LTC/USD and BCH/USD trading but using altcoin exchanges pretty much circumvents that.

The short of it is that Coinbase's CEO hates Bitcoin and prefers bcash, he colluded with bcash's head Roger Ver to introduce bcash to Coinbase, they had planned to pump up the value of bcash on other exchanges to increase the demand for it on Coinbase.

The problem was that bcash was a BTC fork back from August, so if you held any BTC on Coinbase back then you were given bcash for free, and although there is a cult of losers that prefer bcash to BTC, most people prefer BTC. So all of these people that were going to receive their free bcash from the split had planned to immediately sell it off for money then buy more BTC with it.

When bcash trading opened up on Coinbase, order books showed a shitload of people looking to trade their bcash into BTC at a ratio (i.e. I'll trade 5 bcash for 1 BTC). The market action was so overwhelmingly in favor of Bitcoin, that Coinbase straight up disabled that ratio trading and only allowed BCH/USD trading. You can see on GDAX that bcash only has one trading pair, meanwhile you can still trade ETH/BTC and LTC/BTC.

tl;dr Coinbase schemed with bcash heads to profit off of insider trading and failed miserably. If you don't like their practices you should take your business (like I did) to Gemini.

And here's a bonus fun fact: in an interview just a couple of days ago the head of bcash Roger Ver said in a CNBC interview that he believes "insider trading is a non crime"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7s7-09-oms


^Go to 5:11 for the question, he says it at 5:48

Another bonus video, here's that same loser telling Bitcoin holders that Mt Gox is a safe place to hold their BTC, this was seven months before Mt Gox got hacked and lost everybody's funds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0


^It's as if somebody is holding a fucking gun to his head. That is the face of bcash, he said in an interview that insider trading is a non-crime, and he was involved in the biggest insider trading scheme in crypto history, this is not a person you should have faith in.
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DoctorVader
12/22/17 10:47:18 AM
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There's several things that shook confidence.

Singapore - Warned not to mess with cryptos because it's speculation and a bubble.

India - Tax notices for crypto gains started going out

Japan - Similar warning as Singapore/CIS sold all his cryptos

South Korea - Charges filled against Mining Max stealing $250 million.

Ripple - A lot of money was pumped into XRP and what began as just a transfer of money like usual, turned into a panic to the inexperienced.

BCH - Shaddy/sloppy handling of its intro on CB.

Litecoin founder - Dumped his LTC holdings a few days ago citing conflict of interest.

December-Jan - Both usually weaker months in the stock market because of the holiday and taxes.

New tax bill - Crypto to crypto transfers will count as taxable events.

And because a correction of this nature was eventually due. All this got people scared but it will be back to normal. It's a fucking fire sale right now.
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IdiotMachine
12/22/17 6:04:52 PM
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So when I made this topic, I decided to put $750, split evenly amongst Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Ethereum... Now it's valued at $859 lol.
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Kineth
12/22/17 6:06:04 PM
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Take an economics course, TC.
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ShadowofSolidus
12/22/17 6:09:25 PM
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Can't wait for the lightning network to come out!
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HiddenRoar
12/22/17 6:12:52 PM
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DoctorVader posted...
South Korea - Charges filled against Mining Max stealing $250 million.


Also the fact that Youbit, one of South Korea's bitcoin exchange, was hacked by North Korea, and declared bankruptcy as a result.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
12/22/17 6:41:20 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
There will be a US-backed digital currency at some point and it will probably be something new.


Trumpcoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2003320.0
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Damn_Underscore
12/22/17 6:41:58 PM
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because it has no use as a currency
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HypnoCoosh
12/22/17 6:42:23 PM
#38:


Error1355 posted...
It's almost like a currency that is gaining value only because it is gaining value is unstable. Hmm!


mmmmm salty tears
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itachi15243
12/22/17 6:47:11 PM
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I like a lot of of others got word about the Bitcoin cash incident before it was common news. Cashed out for 20k (started with 2 thousand) and then there's the official news of it, the holidays,and much more.

I imagine it'll go back up. Waiting for an all time low to buy personally
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Error1355
12/23/17 12:15:00 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Error1355 posted...
It's almost like a currency that is gaining value only because it is gaining value is unstable. Hmm!


mmmmm salty tears

No tears here. This whole thing is gonna blow up hard eventually.
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ChromaticAngel
12/23/17 12:15:52 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
You know that's not true, right? The myth use to be "the US dollar is backed by gold." That was false.

It was backed by gold until early 20th century. They changed it sometime shortly around 1920 or so.
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CableZL
12/23/17 12:18:50 PM
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It's going back up pretty nicely. I glad I bought more when it was low
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IdiotMachine
12/23/17 1:43:28 PM
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CableZL posted...
It's going back up pretty nicely. I glad I bought more when it was low

Yea bought $750 worth yesterday, and now it's $863.
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IdiotMachine
12/24/17 9:11:17 AM
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IdiotMachine posted...
CableZL posted...
It's going back up pretty nicely. I glad I bought more when it was low

Yea bought $750 worth yesterday, and now it's $863.

And now it's back down to $750ish.
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