Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 157: Happy Holidays!

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"Down with net neutrality! Less government regulation! ...But pot? Now, hold on, here. What we need is more government regulation."
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https://twitter.com/axios/status/948875978205483008

Michael Wolff has tapes to back up quotes in his incendiary book dozens of hours of them. Among the sources he taped, @mikeallen is told, are Bannon and former White House deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh. https://t.co/JVwzOWVzaq

Perhaps these are the aforementioned tapes?
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banner day for america today eh
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Peace___Frog posted...

Perhaps these are the aforementioned tapes?

Lordy
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wait wait wait wait wait

... Corrik moved to Restera?!?! oh god this has to lead to some amazing moments
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yeah I saw him in a topic there the other day
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Obama killed Osama Bin Laden.

Trump killed Osama Bin Laden.....'s grandson.

Kinda symbolic.
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To be sarcastically fair to Donald, he did campaign on saying you have to kill terrorists' families.
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HaRRicH posted...

To be sarcastically fair to Donald, he did campaign on saying you have to kill terrorists' families.

this is the most amazing post of the year
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GuessMyUserName posted...

HaRRicH posted...

To be sarcastically fair to Donald, he did campaign on saying you have to kill terrorists' families.

this is the most amazing post of the year

Well the year is only 4 days old.
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Damn you, let me keep the glory until Jakyl makes another topic title.
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There was an attempted terrorist attack in Nebraska. Twas a white supremacist.
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There's a surprise
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TheRock1525 posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

HaRRicH posted...

To be sarcastically fair to Donald, he did campaign on saying you have to kill terrorists' families.

this is the most amazing post of the year

Well the year is only 4 days old.

old enough for trump to kill
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949303089416294401

Ok, Sloppy Steve is actually a fairly good nickname for him. I'll give Trump that one.
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I was predicting Bad Bannon.

Fire and Fury alleges Donald used to call him Bam Bam in reference to him putting his hands on his wife.
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man, barely any posts for a crazy news day

1) NYT released an article going into way more detail about what happened at the Justice Department when Session recuses himself and Comey firing (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/us /politics/trump-sessions-russia-mcgahn.html)
2) Fire and Fury releases
3) FBI beginning to re-open Clinton Foundation investigation after no evidence found in 2016
4) Grassley & Graham recommend criminal charges against Steele, the dossier author
5) The Republican candidate for Ohio's Senate spot dropped out

step it up, everyone
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/949242950659313669

Dow goes from 18,589 on November 9, 2016, to 25,075 today, for a new all-time Record. Jumped 1000 points in last 5 weeks, Record fastest 1000 point move in history. This is all about the Make America Great Again agenda! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Six trillion dollars in value created!

I know basically nothing about economics but I dont think that last sentence makes any sense.
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The McGahn/Sessions stuff is unsurprising but potentially very important for building an obstruction case against Trump

The Grassley/Graham move is disgusting and surprising, coming from two people who should absolutely know better and whom I thought weren't complete partisan hacks. The Clinton investigations are similarly disgusting.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/949242950659313669

Dow goes from 18,589 on November 9, 2016, to 25,075 today, for a new all-time Record. Jumped 1000 points in last 5 weeks, Record fastest 1000 point move in history. This is all about the Make America Great Again agenda! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Six trillion dollars in value created!

I know basically nothing about economics but I dont think that last sentence makes any sense.

Also of fucking course the Dow is regularly hitting all time records. That's what things that on average grow exponentially are supposed to do!
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Am I the only one that doesnt care how much they investigate Hillary? Have at it!
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Is there a summary of the good stuff from Fire and Fury? Ever article I see is about one particular thing from the book.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/949242950659313669

Dow goes from 18,589 on November 9, 2016, to 25,075 today, for a new all-time Record. Jumped 1000 points in last 5 weeks, Record fastest 1000 point move in history. This is all about the Make America Great Again agenda! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Six trillion dollars in value created!

I know basically nothing about economics but I dont think that last sentence makes any sense.

Also of fucking course the Dow is regularly hitting all time records. That's what things that on average grow exponentially are supposed to do!

Is there any indication at all that job numbers are growing faster than would normally be expected?
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He sounds like a horrific tickle me Elmo that has damaged circuits and is screwing up the few lines he's programmed to say
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Jakyl25 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/949242950659313669

Dow goes from 18,589 on November 9, 2016, to 25,075 today, for a new all-time Record. Jumped 1000 points in last 5 weeks, Record fastest 1000 point move in history. This is all about the Make America Great Again agenda! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Six trillion dollars in value created!

I know basically nothing about economics but I dont think that last sentence makes any sense.

Also of fucking course the Dow is regularly hitting all time records. That's what things that on average grow exponentially are supposed to do!

Is there any indication at all that job numbers are growing faster than would normally be expected?

Job growth was down from last year
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Jakyl25 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/949242950659313669

Dow goes from 18,589 on November 9, 2016, to 25,075 today, for a new all-time Record. Jumped 1000 points in last 5 weeks, Record fastest 1000 point move in history. This is all about the Make America Great Again agenda! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Six trillion dollars in value created!

I know basically nothing about economics but I dont think that last sentence makes any sense.

Also of fucking course the Dow is regularly hitting all time records. That's what things that on average grow exponentially are supposed to do!

Is there any indication at all that job numbers are growing faster than would normally be expected?

I believe they're slightly lower than last year, but job creation is far from an exact science and it will be a while before there's much certainty on the numbers, due to the nature of lagging data.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Am I the only one that doesnt care how much they investigate Hillary? Have at it!

The precedent of investigating your political opponents doesn't scare you a bit? Sure, with Hillary it's over already investigated and debunked nonsense. But what about next time? And why be ok with the waste of taxpayer money?
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So basically this stock market surge has as of yet had no discernible effect on job creation?
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Regaro posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Am I the only one that doesnt care how much they investigate Hillary? Have at it!

The precedent of investigating your political opponents doesn't scare you a bit? Sure, with Hillary it's over already investigated and debunked nonsense. But what about next time? And why be ok with the waste of taxpayer money?

I have a problem with Trump declaring her guilty and that she should be locked up.

I dont have a problem with the justice department investigating anything she might have done wrong. Unlike Trump, I trust them to do their jobs competently.

If the Democrats had power I would certainly want them to investigate Trump!
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Also Im still kind of shocked to see that there doesnt seem to be much of a ripple effect of the POTUS declaring his own FBI to be complicit in political corruption.
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The home of one of Roy Moore's accusers has burnt down and an arson investigation is underway:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/roy_moore_accusers_home_burns.html

I'm sure all of the people casting doubt on the accusers by asking why they didn't come forward earlier will be apologizing any minute now!
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Jakyl25 posted...

So basically this stock market surge has as of yet had no discernible effect on job creation?

The stock market and job creation aren't affected by each other. At best they are correlated.
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charmander6000 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

So basically this stock market surge has as of yet had no discernible effect on job creation?

The stock market and job creation aren't affected by each other. At best they are correlated.

The President said they were totally related!
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So they had The View on in the dentist waiting room this morning, and man, the amount of times "I was a Never Trumper, buuuuut" came out of Meghan McCain's mouth was kinda baffling

She was basically in full Trump/Moore defense mode and would just get so pissed off every time they even questioned Trump or brought up Moore(which she actually caused to happen)

Like, she kept going "You may not like Trump, but would that actually make you vote Democrat?" and one of them replied with "Well, look at Alabama. Would I vote somebody who went against the KKK over a child molester? Yes." and she just kinda got all red and went "He lost, so why are you talking about this?"
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I really thought Meghan turned over a new leaf after she left Fox and had to deal with alt-righters cheering for her father's death.

Apparently not.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I really thought Meghan turned over a new leaf after she left Fox and had to deal with alt-righters cheering for her father's death.

Apparently not.

So did I.

But every time they said "Country before party," she had some kind of objection, so apparently not.
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Though I'm reminded now that my favorite part was that in talking about the book quotes, one of them would say something like "I question his mental stability" or "I worry about it," etc. And she'd just go into full Kyle's Mom "Wha-wha-wha-whaaaaaaaaat?" mode and go "Are you doctors? Are you physicians? Or are you talk show hosts?"
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But keep in mind Fox News ran story after story about how Hillary wasn't physically fit to be president and got a lot of non-physician opinions on it.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Regaro posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Am I the only one that doesnt care how much they investigate Hillary? Have at it!

The precedent of investigating your political opponents doesn't scare you a bit? Sure, with Hillary it's over already investigated and debunked nonsense. But what about next time? And why be ok with the waste of taxpayer money?

I have a problem with Trump declaring her guilty and that she should be locked up.

I dont have a problem with the justice department investigating anything she might have done wrong. Unlike Trump, I trust them to do their jobs competently.

If the Democrats had power I would certainly want them to investigate Trump!

I mean at this point I would gladly toss Clinton in prison for trumped up charges of corruption if it meant Trump got leveled with all that should rightfully be coming his way.
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Gorilla Channel
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I wish they still held these views.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838
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TheRock1525 posted...

Job growth was down from last year

From what I remember, technically "lowest growth in six years", but that really doesn't mean very much.

Early in Obama's presidency due to the crash, unemployment was around 9% or so. It's easier for unemployment to go from 9% to 8% than it is for unemployment to go from 5% to 4%. So...it's not even necessarily clear which of the years are "better".

Either way, Trump's first year in office numbers are fine in terms of jobs. Continued growth even though there's already pretty good employment saturation, and even though the retail job market is currently in the middle of a collapse. Give him credit for this one.

By all means, if you are convinced he'll screw up eventually, keep watching the same metrics. If sometime in the future he does something that reduces the number of jobs in the country, such as kicking out a bunch of immigrants, you can nail him on the jobs number. If there's another 2008 level crash, nail him on the removal of 2008 stock market protections. For now, this number looks fine; probably similar to an Obama 9th year.
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right, the main problem with citing stock market growth as an indicator is....well if people arent FEELING the improvements in the economy in their pocket books like many arent because wage growth has been stagnant, then it doesnt matter.

These are the same things that came back to haunt Clinton.

He oversaw MONSTROUS stock market growth but wages stayed stagnant or even fell and people didnt like hearing EVERYTHING IS GREAT when it didn't feel great.
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Yeah basically all indicators are that the economy is prospering. You can argue about how much credit ought to go to Trump/Obama/the free market, but you aren't going to convince anyone that the economy isn't doing great right now.
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The stock market is doing great. What does that do for me and the 17-18k i made last year? (before taxes, mind)
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

The stock market is doing great. What does that do for me and the 17-18k i made last year? (before taxes, mind)

Do you have any kind of retirement savings/investments?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949618475877765120

Trump is the GOAT troll
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The stock market is a really good indicator of how the wealthy are doing.

Unemployment is down to the lowest theyve been since 9/11 but consumer confidence is way shakier than it ought to be given all of those indicators which is an interesting split that suggests there is something the other data isnt capturing.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949618475877765120

Trump is the GOAT troll

it doesn't surprise me that you appreciate his bottom of the barrel trolling.
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SgtSphynx posted...

I wish they still held these views.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838

"I leave you with 4 words: I'm glad Reagan dead."
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