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MikeTavish
01/06/18 8:17:14 AM
#351:


I love that the President decided to go full valley girl while trying to convince everyone he's a genius.

What a fantastic timeline.
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Suprak the Stud
01/06/18 9:20:07 AM
#352:


MikeTavish posted...
I love that the President decided to go full valley girl while trying to convince everyone he's a genius.

What a fantastic timeline.


I laughed far too hard at the Im, like, really smart. The included like and the two commas are just extraordinary.
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TheRock1525
01/06/18 11:00:39 AM
#353:


Don't forget 52% of adults own stocks in some form (401k, individual stocks, etc) meaning 48% received no direct benefit from all these gains.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/06/18 11:06:44 AM
#354:


TheRock1525 posted...
Don't forget 52% of adults own stocks in some form (401k, individual stocks, etc) meaning 48% received no direct benefit from all these gains.

Yes, but a roaring stock market has innumerable indirect benefits as well. That's why it's a really hard argument to make that a bull market only helps the wealthy.
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GuessMyUserName
01/06/18 11:06:57 AM
#355:


I'm like suuuuper smart guys. And sooo totally stable! My mental stability is just, like, the greatest.

- The words of a totally smart stable person
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TheRock1525
01/06/18 11:12:01 AM
#356:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Yes, but a roaring stock market has innumerable indirect benefits as well.


Wage growth this year was roughly 2.5%.

Pre-2007 recession they generally grew at 3-3.5%

Don't get me wrong, it's good that wages are finally growing again but they should be growing at a faster rate if the stock market played such a big factor.
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Nelson_Mandela
01/06/18 11:14:00 AM
#357:


TheRock1525 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Yes, but a roaring stock market has innumerable indirect benefits as well.


Wage growth this year was roughly 2.5%.

Pre-2007 recession they generally grew at 3-3.5%

Don't get me wrong, it's good that wages are finally growing again but they should be growing at a faster rate if the stock market played such a big factor.

Wages are not the only factor to individual wealth. I'd rather have a smaller wage increase and see my 401k increase by 20% to be quite honest.
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Suprak the Stud
01/06/18 11:14:45 AM
#358:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Don't forget 52% of adults own stocks in some form (401k, individual stocks, etc) meaning 48% received no direct benefit from all these gains.

Yes, but a roaring stock market has innumerable indirect benefits as well. That's why it's a really hard argument to make that a bull market only helps the wealthy.


The republicans entire argument under Obama was it doesnt matter how the stock market is doing, it matters how REAL AMERICANS are doing. Feels vs reals and all of that.

That doesnt make them right btw, I just think its interesting that now the republicans are all going but look at the stock market! when that was never a good enough indicator under Obama. The economy did quite well under Obama and it is continuing to do well in Trumps first year. The test will be if it continues at this rate over the duration of his presidency.

I do agree with Sephs overall point though that a strong stock market is typically linked to a strong national economy as well, although not always.
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TheRock1525
01/06/18 11:25:48 AM
#359:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Wages are not the only factor to individual wealth. I'd rather have a smaller wage increase and see my 401k increase by 20% to be quite honest.


Great, but what about the other 48%? Some people literally cannot invest in the stock market because they're living paycheck-to-paycheck.

Pretty sure if the soaring stock market was having an effect on most average Americans, they'd be fine with things as they are instead of massively disapproving of things like the current President, current Republican led congress, and the tax bill they just passed. We actually produced less coal this year than we did last, despite Trump's plan to somehow bring it back and create all these new coal jobs. What's gonna happen when that decline catches up to coal mines? Those few jobs that were created in 2017 are gonna be lost again.

What's probably gonna be better is the fact that 19 states will be increasing their minimum wages in 2018.
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MrGreenonion
01/06/18 11:29:31 AM
#360:


GuessMyUserName posted...
I'm like suuuuper smart guys. And sooo totally stable! My mental stability is just, like, the greatest.

- The words of a totally smart stable person

Something that's been pointed out:
The inclusion of the filler word "like" indicates that Trump dictated these tweets, either through an aide or software, rather than typing them himself. Which doesn't do much for the perception that he's barely literate.
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pxlated
01/06/18 12:05:27 PM
#361:


https://youtu.be/6daCKIJ4VjU?t=5m36s

This dude needs help
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Eddv
01/06/18 12:29:42 PM
#362:


This is hardly a new political problem either.

Under FDR once the banks avoided being run on and the stock market began coming back people began to argue that measures like welfare and social security be rolled back as they were no longer necessary. Instead FDR came out and said that the health of an economy is dependent more on the bottom 33% of earners than the top 33% and enacted a series of labor protections that got him reelected twice.

This is a lesson democrats learned the hard way too - Clinton rode into town and told people that they shouldnt have economic anxiety because all indicators pointed to a healthy economy while Trump ran on a platform of "we're all gonna die if nothing changes" and Trump won. That's what has convinced me people aren't lying when they tell pollsters they don't feel confident jn the economy and that they do feel economically vulnerable.
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Jakyl25
01/06/18 4:28:12 PM
#363:


TheRock1525 posted...
What's gonna happen when that decline catches up to coal mines?

Trump 2020 will run on a platform of bringing back coal
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StealThisSheen
01/06/18 4:36:57 PM
#364:


It's always hilarious seeing diehard eastern Kentucky Trumpers try to defend that

"Oh, coal is coming back! I've seen it! My cousin's friend's daughter's nephew's neighbor's uncle got his job back. And when they sat him down to tell him about it, they said 'And you can thank President Donald J. Trump for this, because he personally brought this job back.'"
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Jakyl25
01/06/18 4:39:42 PM
#365:


Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that Trump is actually sharper than Bannon?
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Forceful_Dragon
01/06/18 4:42:02 PM
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Not_an_Owl
01/06/18 4:51:32 PM
#367:


Jakyl25 posted...
Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that Trump is actually sharper than Bannon?

Trump isn't sharp enough to cut his way out of a paper bag.
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TheRock1525
01/06/18 5:09:32 PM
#368:


Jakyl25 posted...
Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that Trump is actually sharper than Bannon?


I'm inclined to agree. Bannon is basically a leech.
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charmander6000
01/06/18 5:30:06 PM
#369:


I don't know Bannon well enough, but it does appear Trump is sharper than him.
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The Mana Sword
01/06/18 5:31:48 PM
#370:


one doesnt have to be smarter than the other

they can both be equally stupid
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LordoftheMorons
01/06/18 5:34:14 PM
#371:


Trump is dumber, but neither one is exactly a stable genius
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ChaosTonyV4
01/06/18 6:29:19 PM
#372:


"Because of 2 guilty pleas and an ongoing yearlong investigation, obviously the Russian thing is proven fake."

- Like, smart, and stable man
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MrGreenonion
01/06/18 7:06:58 PM
#373:


Jakyl25 posted...
Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that Trump is actually sharper than Bannon?

What are you basing that on?
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LordoftheMorons
01/06/18 7:53:54 PM
#374:


Interesting high level summary of Wolff's book:
https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/949676516513759232
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Mega Mana
01/06/18 8:06:01 PM
#375:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Interesting high level summary of Wolff's book:
https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/949676516513759232


Very glad that wasn't sarcasm! Interesting points indeed, and if it holds true that this how the administration is looking for 2018 with Miller/Hicks... oh, oh god.

And I totally see Kushner thinking The Mooch would've worked. They're both horrible.
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Jakyl25
01/07/18 6:01:22 AM
#376:


MrGreenonion posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that Trump is actually sharper than Bannon?

What are you basing that on?


Their current feud
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MrGreenonion
01/07/18 1:20:45 PM
#377:


Jakyl25 posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that Trump is actually sharper than Bannon?

What are you basing that on?


Their current feud

Yeah I don't see how you could reach that conclusion.
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Jakyl25
01/07/18 2:33:47 PM
#378:


Because Trump has basically won it
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LordoftheMorons
01/07/18 2:38:14 PM
#379:


I don't think winning that fight had anything to do with his intelligence
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MrGreenonion
01/07/18 3:44:56 PM
#380:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I don't think winning that fight had anything to do with his intelligence

But he's, like, really smart!
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redrocket_pub
01/07/18 3:48:17 PM
#381:


Jakyl25 posted...
Because Trump has basically won it


What's the basis for saying this?
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TheRock1525
01/07/18 5:13:38 PM
#382:


redrocket_pub posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Because Trump has basically won it


What's the basis for saying this?


Bannon is currently groveling at his feet to take him back.
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CelesMyUserName
01/07/18 5:14:50 PM
#383:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I don't think winning that fight had anything to do with his intelligence

I mean the election already proved that
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ChaosTonyV4
01/07/18 5:55:20 PM
#384:


TheRock1525 posted...
redrocket_pub posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Because Trump has basically won it


What's the basis for saying this?


Bannon is currently groveling at his feet to take him back.


...he is?
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TheRock1525
01/07/18 6:14:31 PM
#385:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
redrocket_pub posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Because Trump has basically won it


What's the basis for saying this?


Bannon is currently groveling at his feet to take him back.


...he is?


Battered by the backlash from Michael Wolff's book, Steve Bannon is trying to make amends with the Trump family, providing a statement to Axios that expresses "regret" to President Trump and praises his son, Donald Trump Jr.

"Donald Trump, Jr. is both a patriot and a good man. He has been relentless in his advocacy for his father and the agenda that has helped turn our country around."

"My support is also unwavering for the president and his agenda as I have shown daily in my national radio broadcasts, on the pages of Breitbart News and in speeches and appearances from Tokyo and Hong Kong to Arizona and Alabama."

"President Trump was the only candidate that could have taken on and defeated the Clinton apparatus. I am the only person to date to conduct a global effort to preach the message of Trump and Trumpism; and remain ready to stand in the breech for this president's efforts to make America great again."

"My comments about the meeting with Russian nationals came from my life experiences as a Naval officer stationed aboard a destroyer whose main mission was to hunt Soviet submarines to my time at the Pentagon during the Reagan years when our focus was the defeat of 'the evil empire' and to making films about Reagan's war against the Soviets and Hillary Clinton's involvement in selling uranium to them."

"My comments were aimed at Paul Manafort, a seasoned campaign professional with experience and knowledge of how the Russians operate. He should have known they are duplicitous, cunning and not our friends. To reiterate, those comments were not aimed at Don Jr."

"Everything I have to say about the ridiculous nature of the Russian 'collusion' investigation I said on my 60 Minutes interview. There was no collusion and the investigation is a witch hunt."

"I regret that my delay in responding to the inaccurate reporting regarding Don Jr has diverted attention from the president's historical accomplishments in the first year of his presidency."


https://www.axios.com/scoop-bannon-sends-regret-to-trump-1515329924-dbfe9439-59e0-4773-8d3d-079e5ee2b493.html
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The Mana Sword
01/07/18 9:57:19 PM
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HaRRicH
01/08/18 1:29:35 AM
#387:


Jakyl25 posted...
Because Trump has basically won it


Donald has always won this kind of battle against fellow Republicans, hasn't he? He is a Republican President and that is hard for Republican voters to resist supporting.

Sloppy Steve made it easier though, as did the easier opportunity to dismiss the book.
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psaltery
01/08/18 8:13:42 AM
#388:


Fire at Trump Tower
https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/950344716637360128
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Peace___Frog
01/08/18 10:11:58 AM
#389:


https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/950344330086178817

EXCLUSIVE: Initial talks underway about Trump interview in Mueller Russia probe https://t.co/7OaC2Ya8Pk


I highly doubt mueller would already be interviewing him unless he knew he could catch him in felonious lies. I honestly didn't expect this to happen any time soon.
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Regaro
01/08/18 10:13:21 AM
#390:


tbf all you have to do to catch Trump in a lie is make him talk.
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FFDragon
01/08/18 10:36:16 AM
#391:


Regaro posted...
tbf all you have to do to catch Trump in a lie is make him talk.


Unnamed sources claim that the fire in Trump Tower was caused by a pair of Donald's pants that had been left there.
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TheRock1525
01/08/18 10:48:04 AM
#392:


But guys, we need those corporate tax cuts!

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/comcast-fired-500-despite-claiming-tax-cut-would-create-thousands-of-jobs/

Oh

Oooooooooh...
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EndOfDiscOne
01/08/18 10:54:25 AM
#393:


Not really surprising coming from a cable and telephone company.
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Mega Mana
01/08/18 11:27:46 AM
#394:


Regaro posted...
tbf all you have to do to catch Trump in a lie is make him talk.


"Anticipating that Special Counsel Robert Mueller will ask to interview President Donald Trump, the president's legal team is discussing a range of potential options for the format, including written responses to questions in lieu of a formal sit-down, according to three people familiar with the matter. "

"In addition to the possibility of suggesting the president submit written responses in place of an interview, a second person familiar with the president's legal strategy said another possibility being contemplated was an affidavit signed by the president affirming he was innocent of any wrongdoing and denying any collusion. It was not clear what such an affidavit might state regarding the president's firing of former FBI Director James Comey in May 2017 at a time when Comey was leading the Russia probe."

""Prosecutors want to see and hear folks in person," said Chuck Rosenberg, former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia and chief of staff to FBI Director Comey. "They want to probe and follow up. Body language and tone are important," said Rosenberg, now an NBC News analyst. "And they want answers directly from witnesses, not from their lawyers. The odds of prosecutors agreeing to written responses are somewhere between infinitesimally small and zero." "
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Peace___Frog
01/08/18 11:47:42 AM
#395:


Mega Mana posted...
The odds of prosecutors agreeing to written responses are somewhere between infinitesimally small and zero.

One of my favorite lines of this thing
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FFDragon
01/08/18 11:48:23 AM
#396:


Trump Lawyers know that even if he is innocent he'll probably fuck up somehow if he has to do it in person. At least they know their client.
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LordoftheMorons
01/08/18 12:14:04 PM
#397:


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/dhs-weighs-ending-protections-salvadoran-immigrants-52204884

Fuck him
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LordoftheMorons
01/08/18 1:10:03 PM
#398:


Just watched that Stephen Miller interview

What a fucking tool
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Regaro
01/08/18 1:19:29 PM
#399:


Miller is the literal self-proclaimed nazi right
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Regaro
01/08/18 1:28:15 PM
#400:


Nope, I'm wrong

Did a search because I was curious and that was Gorka, who's with fox news now LOL
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