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Corrupt_Power
12/26/17 12:37:39 PM
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Just saw Last Jedi, and aside from the arcing First Order shelling of the fleeing Resistance ships (they wouldn't arc in space, but I'll write it off to a visual conceit to help sell the "out of effective range" plot point), the only real disappointment was that Snoke was killed off while we still know practically nothing about him. I realize a major point of Last Jedi was to wipe clean the "old" Star Wars and let Ep. 9 focus fully on Kylo, Rey, and maybe Finn's full conflict, but I really want to know who Snoke was. He was intriguing.

Mace Windu theories are the most believable I've seen so far, aside from some completely new evil being to the Star Wars universe. If you say Jar Jar I will slap you.
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Blue_Inigo
12/26/17 12:38:16 PM
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Dudes dead who cares
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Itennu
12/26/17 12:38:44 PM
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theory: he's in haff. there's a lower haff and an upper haff. and both haffs are ded. two haff deds makes a whole ded.

snope is ded.
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Scotty_Rogers
12/26/17 12:39:02 PM
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lando after getting plastic surgery and vitiligo
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BalanceLost
12/26/17 12:43:56 PM
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If I remember correctly whats been told in canon books:

The remnants of the Empire fled into the Unknown Region (a part of unexplored space neighbouring the Galaxy) and there they encountered Snoke who gathered them together and began building the First Order.
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SSJGrimReaper
12/26/17 12:49:18 PM
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nobody cares anymore lol
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Returning_CEmen
12/26/17 12:50:11 PM
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He had at least one other apprentice beside Kylo Ren
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itachi15243
12/26/17 12:50:31 PM
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He's dead.

We'll probably get a comic or book on him, and maybe a flashback next movie on who he was.

There are theories that he was supposed to die next movie after killing Leia and leaving Ren in a rage, but that wouldn't work out now obviously.

I doubt he'll be a force ghost or anything like Luke, unless they retcon that and have a force ghost fight between Luke and him(interesting but unlikely)
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Corrupt_Power
12/26/17 1:01:20 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Dudes dead who cares

People who like backstory and expanded universe-type stuff?

BalanceLost posted...
If I remember correctly whats been told in canon books:

The remnants of the Empire fled into the Unknown Region (a part of unexplored space neighbouring the Galaxy) and there they encountered Snoke who gathered them together and began building the First Order.

What book talked about that, if you happen to know? That could potentially make him Revan, which would make some sense since the new trilogy does have some influences from the Yuuzhan Vong, who themselves IIRC it was strongly implied were trained or influenced in some way by Revan.
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Foppe
12/26/17 1:05:34 PM
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One loved theory is that it is Darth Plagueis reborn, or that he learned what he knows from Plagueis.
Plagueis could have faked his own death to make Sidious do all the hard work in creating an empire, and then take it over. Or he had a vision that the first empire would fall.
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Corrupt_Power
12/26/17 1:27:41 PM
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Foppe posted...
One loved theory is that it is Darth Plagueis reborn, or that he learned what he knows from Plagueis.
Plagueis could have faked his own death to make Sidious do all the hard work in creating an empire, and then take it over. Or he had a vision that the first empire would fall.

I actually mentioned a similar possibility to my wife when we were driving home from the theater last night. That would be interesting, and potentially plausible, but I don't see it as likely as Revan, or even Mace. Outside of books (that are no longer canon), Plagueis has been almost entirely ignored. KotOR's place in the canon is kind of up in the air, at least.
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Pogo_Marimo
12/26/17 1:31:14 PM
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Corrupt_Power posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Dudes dead who cares

People who like backstory and expanded universe-type stuff?

BalanceLost posted...
If I remember correctly whats been told in canon books:

The remnants of the Empire fled into the Unknown Region (a part of unexplored space neighbouring the Galaxy) and there they encountered Snoke who gathered them together and began building the First Order.

What book talked about that, if you happen to know? That could potentially make him Revan, which would make some sense since the new trilogy does have some influences from the Yuuzhan Vong, who themselves IIRC it was strongly implied were trained or influenced in some way by Revan.

That would be awesome except he died like such a bitch.
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LightHawKnight
12/26/17 1:33:01 PM
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Meh, if Darth Maul survived without his lower half, so can Snoke.
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L0Z
12/26/17 1:35:18 PM
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He's obviously goldmember
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Giant_Aspirin
12/26/17 1:36:06 PM
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i don't think Snoke is returning and I don't think we'll get any explanation for him. this was johnson's way of saying that Abram's idea of including Snoke was stupid.
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Corrupt_Power
12/26/17 1:40:37 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
That would be awesome except he died like such a bitch.

Who, Revan? I'm not aware of an official death for him, what was it?

L0Z posted...
He's obviously goldmember

wut. Is that a play on his robe?
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L0Z
12/26/17 1:41:51 PM
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Yes. As you can see austin powers fascha I like goooooold
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Vindris_SNH
12/26/17 1:43:20 PM
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Jar Jar
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Foppe
12/26/17 1:45:05 PM
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Corrupt_Power posted...
Foppe posted...
One loved theory is that it is Darth Plagueis reborn, or that he learned what he knows from Plagueis.
Plagueis could have faked his own death to make Sidious do all the hard work in creating an empire, and then take it over. Or he had a vision that the first empire would fall.

I actually mentioned a similar possibility to my wife when we were driving home from the theater last night. That would be interesting, and potentially plausible, but I don't see it as likely as Revan, or even Mace. Outside of books (that are no longer canon), Plagueis has been almost entirely ignored. KotOR's place in the canon is kind of up in the air, at least.

He could also have been Sidious backup-Sith in case his Vader/Luke plan failed.
I mean, he lost two guys in the Prequels and if we look at the EU then he already did it multiple times.
It takes time training a good Sith, and the empire would take a strong hit if he had to kill Vader without any replacement.
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LightHawKnight
12/26/17 1:46:49 PM
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Foppe posted...
Corrupt_Power posted...
Foppe posted...
One loved theory is that it is Darth Plagueis reborn, or that he learned what he knows from Plagueis.
Plagueis could have faked his own death to make Sidious do all the hard work in creating an empire, and then take it over. Or he had a vision that the first empire would fall.

I actually mentioned a similar possibility to my wife when we were driving home from the theater last night. That would be interesting, and potentially plausible, but I don't see it as likely as Revan, or even Mace. Outside of books (that are no longer canon), Plagueis has been almost entirely ignored. KotOR's place in the canon is kind of up in the air, at least.

He could also have been Sidious backup-Sith in case his Vader/Luke plan failed.
I mean, he lost two guys in the Prequels and if we look at the EU then he already did it multiple times.
It takes time training a good Sith, and the empire would take a strong hit if he had to kill Vader without any replacement.


Technically with the rule of two, not sure if that is canon anymore he couldn't have taken another apprentice until the current died.
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Doom_Art
12/26/17 1:48:21 PM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
He had at least one other apprentice beside Kylo Ren

One of my favorite bits of info from this

Raises a few interesting questions too
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weapon_d00d816
12/26/17 1:48:53 PM
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Well if he was Plagueis then death never stopped him the first time.

It just sucks that he was treated like a throw-away character and once again it's up to the next movie to actually flesh him out if at all.
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Giant_Aspirin
12/26/17 1:50:48 PM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
He had at least one other apprentice beside Kylo Ren


wait, was this mentioned in the movie, or is that your speculation?
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Doom_Art
12/26/17 1:53:44 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
Returning_CEmen posted...
He had at least one other apprentice beside Kylo Ren


wait, was this mentioned in the movie, or is that your speculation?

It mentioned it in the Visual Dictionary
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Foppe
12/26/17 1:56:24 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Foppe posted...
Corrupt_Power posted...
Foppe posted...
One loved theory is that it is Darth Plagueis reborn, or that he learned what he knows from Plagueis.
Plagueis could have faked his own death to make Sidious do all the hard work in creating an empire, and then take it over. Or he had a vision that the first empire would fall.

I actually mentioned a similar possibility to my wife when we were driving home from the theater last night. That would be interesting, and potentially plausible, but I don't see it as likely as Revan, or even Mace. Outside of books (that are no longer canon), Plagueis has been almost entirely ignored. KotOR's place in the canon is kind of up in the air, at least.

He could also have been Sidious backup-Sith in case his Vader/Luke plan failed.
I mean, he lost two guys in the Prequels and if we look at the EU then he already did it multiple times.
It takes time training a good Sith, and the empire would take a strong hit if he had to kill Vader without any replacement.


Technically with the rule of two, not sure if that is canon anymore he couldn't have taken another apprentice until the current died.

Rules are made to be broken.
And the Jedis were pretty much dead by then, so he saw no reason to follow them.
Besides, Tyranus broke that rule in the past.
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Corrupt_Power
12/26/17 2:00:20 PM
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Yeah, even in the direct canon, the rule of two has been broken several times. "Modern" Sith, by their nature, tend to not follow even their own rules.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/26/17 8:05:30 PM
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I like that he was killed off and I'm surprised so many people don't
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stoltenberg11
12/26/17 8:19:03 PM
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I'm almost not even sure I want an explanation anymore after he went out like such a bitch. Could ruin the legacy of a character for me.
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Darmik
12/26/17 8:19:04 PM
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I hope that it turns out the dude was just a pale imitation of Palpatine. Like he thought he could recreate what he accomplished by throwing lots of money into building an army and emulating his position by using the Force and having an apprentice. But he didn't really know shit and was killed by his apprentice before he could even take over.

I don't think he should be anyone important overall.
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DoctorVader
12/26/17 8:19:14 PM
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Snoke is likely part of the original Jedi Order. Either him or his race.

I'm thinking Snoke was just the tip, and more of them will show up in the next trilogy. The FO is the bad guy for the ST and they'll likely be toppled by the end.

I'm not sure if Aftermath is canon, but in it, Sidious was the one who discovered Snoke as he was searching for the source of the Dark Side, which led him to detecting Snoke in the Unknown Regions and realizing that he's been watching everything.
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Jiek_Fafn
12/26/17 8:24:15 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Meh, if Darth Maul survived without his lower half, so can Snoke.


This
Lots of villains don't die when they are killed in Star Wars.
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Darmik
12/26/17 8:30:51 PM
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I don't think Snoke is coming back. Darth Maul (and Boba Fett) can survive thanks to the whole 'if you don't see a body, they're not dead' rule in fiction. But Snoke was lying there dead as a doorknob. For a long time. It wouldn't really make sense. Why wouldn't Kylo Ren or Hux mention that he's still alive or could be salvaged? Why ruin that moment in TLJ?

I could see his species being important. If they re-introduce KOTOR maybe he'd be the 'True Sith' Revan tries to prepare for. Or they could use a similar plot with different characters.

But who knows.
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LockeMonster
12/26/17 8:37:08 PM
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Darmik posted...
I don't think Snoke is coming back. Darth Maul (and Boba Fett) can survive thanks to the whole 'if you don't see a body, they're not dead' rule in fiction. But Snoke was lying there dead as a doorknob. For a long time. It wouldn't really make sense. Why wouldn't Kylo Ren or Hux mention that he's still alive or could be salvaged? Why ruin that moment in TLJ?

I could see his species being important. If they re-introduce KOTOR maybe he'd be the 'True Sith' Revan tries to prepare for. Or they could use a similar plot with different characters.

But who knows.

They did mention Snoke still had cloning tech in TFA, and since they're stealing stuff from the EU, "Dark Empire" is not really out of the question.
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halomonkey1_3_5
12/26/17 8:37:33 PM
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my biggest gripe about the overall story(post-TLJ) was how TFA made Snoke seem like he was going to be some kind of incredibly important/powerful sith and then TLJ just made him a pretty generic villain that was too stupid/weak to keep some force noobs from chopping him

felt pretty lame after so much hype around the mystery of Snoke in TFA
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Darmik
12/26/17 8:45:41 PM
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LockeMonster posted...
They did mention Snoke still had cloning tech in TFA, and since they're stealing stuff from the EU, "Dark Empire" is not really out of the question.


If they were to clone a character I'd rather they clone Palpatine over Snoke. Why go for the rip-off character? Snoke was pretty much destined to be a crappier version of Palpatine if he stuck around.

But tbh I hope we don't see cloned villains at all. That shit can never not be cheesy.
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stoltenberg11
12/26/17 9:52:29 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
my biggest gripe about the overall story(post-TLJ) was how TFA made Snoke seem like he was going to be some kind of incredibly important/powerful sith and then TLJ just made him a pretty generic villain that was too stupid/weak to keep some force noobs from chopping him

felt pretty lame after so much hype around the mystery of Snoke in TFA

I think it's probably because like others said Abrams has one vision for Snoke and Johnson had another. That's kind of dumb on Johnson's part to casually toss away a character like that just because he didn't like them, if this is what actually happened.
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Corrupt_Power
12/27/17 4:59:46 PM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
my biggest gripe about the overall story(post-TLJ) was how TFA made Snoke seem like he was going to be some kind of incredibly important/powerful sith and then TLJ just made him a pretty generic villain that was too stupid/weak to keep some force noobs from chopping him

felt pretty lame after so much hype around the mystery of Snoke in TFA

I think it's probably because like others said Abrams has one vision for Snoke and Johnson had another. That's kind of dumb on Johnson's part to casually toss away a character like that just because he didn't like them, if this is what actually happened.

I've read some stuff to that effect as well, that it basically summed up to "creative differences" as they say. Which is dumb.
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teepan95
12/27/17 5:04:43 PM
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Wasn't Snoke close to Han/Leia? From what I read, that was how he was able to corrupt Kylo Ren
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Darmik
12/27/17 5:06:20 PM
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teepan95 posted...
Wasn't Snoke close to Han/Leia? From what I read, that was how he was able to corrupt Kylo Ren


I thought he was talking to him through the Force under Luke's nose.
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DarthAragorn
12/27/17 5:07:25 PM
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teepan95 posted...
Wasn't Snoke close to Han/Leia? From what I read, that was how he was able to corrupt Kylo Ren

How should we know, they didn't explain him at all
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