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So we have 8 movies obviously that are considered canon.

What about the various animated TV shows?

What about the video games?

What about the books? (I am pretty sure the answer is no but I'll keep the question here anyway)
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the cartoons are canon. and any books and comics made after I think it's...2014, are canon.

anything made after disney bought it is canon. there is no expanded universe anymore. everything is canon

The movies

All the cartoons except the first clone wars cartoon (the 2D one)

Anything after Disney bought it. Everything else is gone

TheDarkCircle posted...

All the cartoons except the first clone wars cartoon (the 2D one)

Oh really, so the Clone Wars cartoon is not canon then? That's the main one I was thinking of.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

All the cartoons except the first clone wars cartoon (the 2D one)

Oh really, so the Clone Wars cartoon is not canon then? That's the main one I was thinking of.

Yep. This one isn't:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars_(2003_TV_series)

TheDarkCircle posted...

The movies

All the cartoons except the first clone wars cartoon (the 2D one)

Anything after Disney bought it. Everything else is gone

When did those become non-canon because they were canon at some point? It directly leads into RotS, like 15 minutes before, and explains Grevious' condition.
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TheDarkCircle posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

All the cartoons except the first clone wars cartoon (the 2D one)

Oh really, so the Clone Wars cartoon is not canon then? That's the main one I was thinking of.

Yep. This one isn't:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars_(2003_TV_series)

So did this one basically redo that story, except "officially"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(2008_TV_series)
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DoctorVader posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

The movies

All the cartoons except the first clone wars cartoon (the 2D one)

Anything after Disney bought it. Everything else is gone

When did those become non-canon because they were canon at some point? It directly leads into RotS, like 15 minutes before, and explains Grevious' condition.

They were thrown out when they made the the other Clone Wars cartoon. Why, idk. They were tho

Sativa_Rose posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

All the cartoons except the first clone wars cartoon (the 2D one)

Oh really, so the Clone Wars cartoon is not canon then? That's the main one I was thinking of.

Yep. This one isn't:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars_(2003_TV_series)

So did this one basically redo that story, except "officially"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(2008_TV_series)

Lucasfilm established it's own animation department to do the 2008 movie and series, so maybe that's why? I'm not really sure why they wanted to undo the first series from a creative standpoint cause it was all approved by Lucas anyway.

whatever Marvel is publishing is canon
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Disney said everything made after they bought Lucasfilm is canon. However, this can't be true because *Force Awakens and Last Jedi Spoilers* in The Last Jedi, Rey and Poe meet for the first time. But they also meet in The Force Awakens novelization
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media

And you can effectively hide the Young Reader books and Junior novels and not be missing much.

But there's already a fuck ton of fucking media to catch up on.

Like this:



Is all canon. And that's just barely scratching the surface. All that there is a solid week or more worth of reading. And that isn't even all of the books I have. I've gotten more since I took that pic and I'm missing my Ahsoka novel and my Phasma novel is back home
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I actually like the new canon better tbqh. The EU was a mess (My god the Yuuzhan Vong, fuck me) and the only real losses IMO were Shadows of the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy.
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electricbugs2 posted...

I actually like the new canon better tbqh. The EU was a mess (My god the Yuuzhan Vong, fuck me) and the only real losses IMO were Shadows of the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy.

Yeah the YV was absolute trash

SotE was awesome. That is a bummer that's gone. Thrawn was great but it's understandable for them to throw out all the stuff post-Jedi.

I remember when they first announced Benicio del Toro was gonna be in VIII, I hoped for a surprise twist that he'd be Thrawn. He would have been awesome as Thrawn. I knew it wasn't gonna happen, but would have been cool as hell

RIP Jaina, Jacen & Anakin Solo.
RIP Ben Skywalker.
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The biggest loss to the EU was the two KOTOR games. The backend world building they setup was p cool
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Sativa_Rose posted...

What about the video games?

I think Jedi Outcast & Jedi Academy are non-canon now too.
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wackyteen posted...

The biggest loss to the EU was the two KOTOR games. The backend world building they setup was p cool

they can still reuse elements of it. I think eventually the KOTOR era will come back. it's too popular to ignore and there is even a still going MMO set in it, even if it's not canon

Holiday Special
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People care too much about canon IMO

Like, people bitch that Shadows of the Empire isn't canon anymore, but if there isn't anything that directly contradicts it, who the fuck cares?

Same goes for KoToR
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all movies except the holiday special
All the animated stuff made after Episode 1 was released
All Marvel comics Star Wars titles
Any other fiction of any kind EXCEPT video games that was approved after Disney purchased the rights.
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RIP Kyle Katarn
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St0rmFury posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

What about the video games?

I think Jedi Outcast & Jedi Academy are non-canon now too.

I am guessing they are all non-canon. Like the first Rogue Squadron game takes place directly after Return of the Jedi, and you fight the remnants of the Empire. You are Luke Skywalker and Wedge Antilles is one of your wingmen. There was another topic a while back where someone was complaining about how the Empire survived and became the First Order and how that was never explained, well in that game you see how the Empire still has a lot of stuff after Return of the Jedi, but I guess it's non-canon.
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Everything prior to Disney's acquisition
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Doe posted...

Everything prior to Disney's acquisition

this guy knows what's up
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Doe posted...

Everything prior to Disney's acquisition

this guy knows what's up

No, actually The 3D Clone Wars TV show started before Disney's acquisition yet it is still canon. So he is not correct actually.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Like the first Rogue Squadron game takes place directly after Return of the Jedi, and you fight the remnants of the Empire.

For like one level.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Doe posted...

Everything prior to Disney's acquisition

this guy knows what's up

No, actually The 3D Clone Wars TV show started before Disney's acquisition yet it is still canon. So he is not correct actually.

I think you need to reread the question.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

There was another topic a while back where someone was complaining about how the Empire survived and became the First Order and how that was never explained, well in that game you see how the Empire still has a lot of stuff after Return of the Jedi, but I guess it's non-canon.

Which is so weird. Yes, they lost the lion's share of their leadership and a significant amount of resources, but the Empire spanned countless planets and had a rigid military structure. Despite the losses, there were clearly other bases and stations with leadership and a hierarchy. Given that one of those outposts literally contained Snoke, one of the most powerful Sith we've seen today who can even create telekinetic bonds across countless lightyears, it's really not much of a stretch that to see how blowing up their superweapon is going to make each planet instantly turn on them.

DrizztLink posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Like the first Rogue Squadron game takes place directly after Return of the Jedi, and you fight the remnants of the Empire.

For like one level.

No, I'm on the 11th level and that's still what we're doing. I'm talking about the very first Rogue Squadron game. I got it on Steam a few weeks ago. I think it was recently added to the Steam library. It came out on PC and N64 in like 1998 I think.
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I know this isn't what the topic is about but does anyone have recommendations for some really good EU books?
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Sativa_Rose posted...

DrizztLink posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Like the first Rogue Squadron game takes place directly after Return of the Jedi, and you fight the remnants of the Empire.

For like one level.

No, I'm on the 11th level and that's still what we're doing. I'm talking about the very first Rogue Squadron game. I got it on Steam a few weeks ago. I think it was recently added to the Steam library. It came out on PC and N64 in like 1998 I think.

In the final chapter, the game moves into the future, six years after the Battle of Endor. Rogue Squadron, now under the command of Wedge Antilles, continues to fight the wounded Empire. On the planet of Mon Calamari, new Imperial weapons called World Devastators are destroying the planet. Rogue Squadron is deployed, disables all three Devastators and destroys the Imperial presence.

For one level.

I mean, one of the missions is rescuing Crix Madine after he defects, which pretty clearly happens before the Empire goes down.
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Very sad that the Dark Forces/Outcast/Jedi Academy stuff is no longer canon

Are you sure we're talking about the same game @DrizztLink ? I just did a mission where I rescued Wedge Antilles
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Are you sure we're talking about the same game @DrizztLink ? I just did a mission where I rescued Wedge Antilles

Yeah.

After an assault on the Imperial Enclave, a facility on Kile II supporting the Empire's Naval operations, Wedge Antilles is ambushed by a group of TIEs and is taken captive. The Rebel Alliance tracks Wedge to an Imperial prison complex on the planet of Kessel. The remaining members of Rogue Squadron travel to Kessel and rescue him and other Rebel prisoners.

Set in the fictional Star Wars galaxy and inspired by the Star Wars: X-wing Rogue Squadron comics, the game takes place primarily between events in the films Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. The player controls Luke Skywalker, commander of the elite X-wing pilots known as Rogue Squadron. As the game progresses, Skywalker and Rogue Squadron fight the Galactic Empire in sixteen missions across various planets.

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What about force unleashed?

Weird, I thought everything was happening in a singular timeline after RotJ but I guess I was confused.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Weird, I thought everything was happening in a singular timeline after RotJ but I guess I was confused.

What do you mean?

TheDarkCircle posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Weird, I thought everything was happening in a singular timeline after RotJ but I guess I was confused.

What do you mean?

I was still talking about the Rogue Squadron game
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L0Z posted...

What about force unleashed?

Doesn't count, thankfully
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There's a guy that works at Disney who is literally a Star Wars historian. He has to know all the history of the Star Wars galaxy so that when new novels are written he can ensure they do not contradict with already established lore.

What a stressful ass/weird ass job that must be.
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The OT, the PT, and the EU, for me, anyways.
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Hexenherz posted...

There's a guy that works at Disney who is literally a Star Wars historian. He has to know all the history of the Star Wars galaxy so that when new novels are written he can ensure they do not contradict with already established lore.

What a stressful ass/weird ass job that must be.

They have entire teams of people who do this.

I'd imagine there's people who are most fluent in specific formats, i.e. a comic master, a movie master, etc.
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Kathleen Kennedy, when talking about the spin-off movies, said that the Star Wars saga (numbered movies) are canon. She described the rest as a kind of "downstream" canon, where it's still canon, but won't be referenced by the movies. So in a sense it exists in a tier below episodes 1-8, but not as explicitly defined as before.
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@Sleeping_Forest posted...

I know this isn't what the topic is about but does anyone have recommendations for some really good EU books?

Thrawn trilogy, X-Wing series, I, Jedi or Jedi Academy series, then New Jedi Order. Not necessarily all brilliant, but definitely entertaining stuff.
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wackyteen posted...

Hexenherz posted...

There's a guy that works at Disney who is literally a Star Wars historian. He has to know all the history of the Star Wars galaxy so that when new novels are written he can ensure they do not contradict with already established lore.

What a stressful ass/weird ass job that must be.

They have entire teams of people who do this.

I'd imagine there's people who are most fluent in specific formats, i.e. a comic master, a movie master, etc.

That's friggin' crazy.
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@Sleeping_Forest posted...

I know this isn't what the topic is about but does anyone have recommendations for some really good EU books?

If you're looking for the Legends EU (everything prior to Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm) then:

Tales of the Jedi - All about the ancient wars the Jedi had with the Sith

The Darth Bane Trilogy - It's Darth Bane, yo. Also helps elaborate on some stuff mentioned in the PT

Star Wars: Clone Wars (comics) - In contrast to the cartoon, these are pretty dark and gritty. Interesting if you wanna bridge the gap between episodes 2 and 3

Labyrinth of Evil - Set almost immediately before Revenge of the Sith, and helps give context to the events at the start of the film.

The Revenge of the Sith novelization - Pretty much the only movie-book adaptation I'll recommend. It's really really fucking good. It takes the film and just makes it so much better.

Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader - Set a couple weeks after RotS. All about Vader. Forms a loose trilogy with Labyrinth of Evil and RotS

Shadows of the Empire - Was a big multimedia project LucasArts did back in the 90s. I'd stick with the comic or book tho. It helps bridge the gap between episodes 5 and 6

X-Wing: Rogue Leader, X-Wing: Rogue Squadron, and the X-Wing book series in that order - Set after Episode 6 and all about Rogue Squadron. Badass af

Heir to the Empire: Trilogy of books set after Episode 6. For a long long time they were pretty much the stand-in Episodes 7, 8, and 9

Legacy: Set centuries after Episode 6. All about Luke's descendant, Cade Skywalker. The Jedi Order is back, the Sith make a comeback as well. All in all it's a well-told story and it's honestly just really interesting to see, long-term, how everything ends up.

There's a few other things too. Dark Empire is quite interesting and helps shed some light on how Luke rebuilds the Jedi Order, but it has a fuck load of canonical inconsistencies with the films and even the other EU stuff on here. I'd check it out but only if you're really interested.

The New Jedi Order series shows Luke's Jedi Order, and deals with a new enemy called the Yuuzhan Vong. They're pretty divisive in the fandom, and the series itself is a pretty massive slog (I think it comes out at being like 19 books or something), so I'd have a hard time recommending it. IIRC there was a comic adaptation of the series, I think? But I wouldn't be able to speak to its quality.
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I don't care what star wars nerds say, the only canon I care about are the movies. The rest is fun but there's so much retconning and cheapening of the universe that it's hard to take much of it seriously.
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The rules are anything Lucas signed off on directly.

So the eight movies, the CGI Clone Wars series, and Rebels (I believe).

Everything else is Legends canon.
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pinky0926 posted...

I don't care what star wars nerds say, the only canon I care about are the movies. The rest is fun but there's so much retconning and cheapening of the universe that it's hard to take much of it seriously.

Well yeah if you're just a causal fan then you don't really have too much reason to care about what happens outside the films.
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