Board 8 > Star Wars: The Last Jedi: SPOILER TOPIC Episode IV: A New Grievance

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Wow lol. People have lost it.
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Where is this poll?
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I feel like by the time things finish the prequel trilogy is going to be more highly regarded than the sequel one.
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The only important thing is which trilogy has more memes.
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FFDragon posted...

I feel like by the time things finish the prequel trilogy is going to be more highly regarded than the sequel one.

I can't really see this, personally. TFA has been loved more than any of the prequel movies since it came out, and while TLJ was incredibly divisive at first it seems, to me at least, that people are starting to warm up to it.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Where is this poll?

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/223-star-wars/76168419
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Yikes, that's pretty grotesque

The posts saying "Clones is better because lightsabers" is really surprising too. Like, if you're on the Star Wars board on GameFAQs...I mean it doesn't necessarily make you a super-hardcore fan, but you're probably a notch above casual? And yet you still boil down the quality of these moves to whether or not it had cool lightsaber stuff

I mean Yoda in Clones is one of the coolest moments I've watched in the cinema, but it can't save the movie on the whole. I mean, obviously.
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star wars is basically "cool lightsaber stuff: the series"
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XIII_rocks posted...

Yikes, that's pretty grotesque

The posts saying "Clones is better because lightsabers" is really surprising too. Like, if you're on the Star Wars board on GameFAQs...I mean it doesn't necessarily make you a super-hardcore fan, but you're probably a notch above casual? And yet you still boil down the quality of these moves to whether or not it had cool lightsaber stuff

I mean Yoda in Clones is one of the coolest moments I've watched in the cinema, but it can't save the movie on the whole. I mean, obviously.

I remember RLM pointing out how the only people who like the PT are babies easily entertained by a bunch of dumb lightsabers and they're proving it right. When given the choice of "good movie with flaws but very little lightsabers" vs. "bad movie with a few good moments and a bunch of lightsabers" and it's nearly a 50/50 split, you know the fanbase is lost.
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And it wasn't even cool lightsaber stuff! RotS had the cool lightsaber stuff, this one had a bunch of Jedi deflecting bolts in the middle of an arena.
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FFDragon posted...

star wars is basically "cool lightsaber stuff: the series"

Yoda pulling out the saber and fighting Dooku was fucking awesome when I was a kid in all fairness

But I mean come on that is just not a good movie!
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i mean

rogue one has vader going ham and that was awesome and I'm over 30

and that alone forgives the first like 2/3 of that movie
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Also funny story

This week at school has only been a two-day week because the term/semester is only just starting so I only had like 12/13 of my class in. So I couldn't really teach the full curriculum. Did a few little lessons to get them ready but nothing major. I'd anticipated this happening anyway

Anyway it gets to Thursday afternoon (weekends are Fri/Sat here) and there's half an hour left so I just put lightsaber battles on YouTube. These kids have never seen star wars except for one Lebanese/Russian kid so they don't know anything about it. So I ask them to pick the winner before each one (blue sword or red sword?) and we watch a few. They get really into them and get so loud with their cheering I actually had to pause the video and shush them because there's a class next door. It was funny listening to them rooting for Darth Maul

Anyway so the last one we watch is Ren vs. Rey from TFA and the second they realised that this time it was a girl fighting, the girls in the clsss went absolutely nuts. They were so excited and hyped about it. Literally just the fact that she was a female. Some of them are really quiet, polite kids, but I've never heard them so loud as both when they saw Rey and when she won.

I mean if anyone doubted the influence Rey has and why (I think) she's ultimately a really good thing, I feel like that would make you a believer. It was pretty cool honestly.
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FFDragon posted...

i mean

rogue one has vader going ham and that was awesome and I'm over 30

and that alone forgives the first like 2/3 of that movie

Ok yeah

I actually think Vader in Rogue One is my most rewatched movie clip ever. Literally ever
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XIII_rocks posted...

Also funny story

This week at school has only been a two-day week because the term/semester is only just starting so I only had like 12/13 of my class in. So I couldn't really teach the full curriculum. Did a few little lessons to get them ready but nothing major. I'd anticipated this happening anyway

Anyway it gets to Thursday afternoon (weekends are Fri/Sat here) and there's half an hour left so I just put lightsaber battles on YouTube. These kids have never seen star wars except for one Lebanese/Russian kid so they don't know anything about it. So I ask them to pick the winner before each one (blue sword or red sword?) and we watch a few. They get really into them and get so loud with their cheering I actually had to pause the video and shush them because there's a class next door. It was funny listening to them rooting for Darth Maul

Anyway so the last one we watch is Ren vs. Rey from TFA and the second they realised that this time it was a girl fighting, the girls in the clsss went absolutely nuts. They were so excited and hyped about it. Literally just the fact that she was a female. Some of them are really quiet, polite kids, but I've never heard them so loud as both when they saw Rey and when she won.

I mean if anyone doubted the influence Rey has and why (I think) she's ultimately a really good thing, I feel like that would make you a believer. It was pretty cool honestly.

That's

Actually really cool yeah.
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Hey I love lightsabers as much as the next guy, but even I hate how much it was overused in the prequels. Like, in almost every scene, even when it wasn't necessary, they had to flash out their lightsaber. It could not be more blatant that it's just waving a shiny object around to keep the kids interested.

Astoundingly it works on adults too, people are ridiculous
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Also Yoda and Sidious should have never had lightsabers, it's the one thing I would have changed if I could only choose one thing

cuz I mean the whole thing really needs to be changed
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AquaArcane posted...

Hey I love lightsabers as much as the next guy, but even I hate how much it was overused in the prequels. Like, in almost every scene, even when it wasn't necessary, they had to flash out their lightsaber. It could not be more blatant that it's just waving a shiny object around to keep the kids interested.

Astoundingly it works on adults too, people are ridiculous

Someone did a video of "every time a lightsaber extends and retracts in the movies."

It's like 7 minutes long. 6:30 is from the prequels.
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FFDragon posted...

i mean

rogue one has vader going ham and that was awesome and I'm over 30

and that alone forgives the first like 2/3 of that movie

I'd go as far as to say it makes something worthwhile out of the prequels. The moves Vader busts out on those rebel troopers are basically the same as Anakin styling on the battle droids in 2 and 3, but the scene is presented from the cannon fodder perspective and makes it something completely different. And without that context the impact is less, and it also does more to emphasize that Anakin and Vader are the same guy than anything in the main episodes.
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MrGreenonion posted...

The moves Vader busts out on those rebel troopers are basically the same as Anakin styling on the battle droids in 2 and 3

Wait

For real?
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XIII_rocks posted...

Also funny story

Gonna agree that this is really cool, yeah.
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MrGreenonion posted...

The moves Vader busts out on those rebel troopers are basically the same as Anakin styling on the battle droids in 2 and 3

I mean, just without the flips, spins, and lightsabers twirls

So basically nothing alike
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XIII_rocks posted...

Anyway so the last one we watch is Ren vs. Rey from TFA and the second they realised that this time it was a girl fighting, the girls in the class went absolutely nuts. They were so excited and hyped about it. Literally just the fact that she was a female. Some of them are really quiet, polite kids, but I've never heard them so loud as both when they saw Rey and when she won.

Sorry just got to reading this but that is really cool, my little sister loves Rey and it's nice seeing how much they all look up to her

Which is the main reason I'm glad she didn't turn to the dark side, like yeah it would have been a cool twist for us adults (less so for the baby adults), but my sister would have been utterly crushed. And those other girls too, their dreams about a series they've never seen, crushed

Would be a sad day
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I just wish Rey.....you know......WORKED for something.
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Took myself to see it today because I wasn't sure how much longer I could avoid the spoilers.

I liked it, gonna have to re-watch obviously. Did *not* expect Snoke to bite the dust until the 3rd movie, so that was a holy shit moment from me. I didn't realize the Vice Admiral was the chick from Jurassic Park for a very long time >_>

I don't get the hatred its receiving.
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Will probably see it again Wednesday night and post my full thoughts so be sure to keep this topic alive until then!
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Pokewars posted...

I just wish Rey.....you know......WORKED for something.

one half portion?
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XIII_rocks posted...

Anyway it gets to Thursday afternoon (weekends are Fri/Sat here) and there's half an hour left so I just put lightsaber battles on YouTube.

This is why teaching is the best
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Girls absolutely love Rey, and I think that's awesome. I've gone to Disneyland 3-4 times since TFA and from what I've noticed, she's been the most dressed-up-as female character, ahead of all the princesses.
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What I really like about Ridley and the way she plays Rey is there's a kind of earnestness to her that I find very endearing and likeable

That big grin when she "bypassed the compressor" or whatever it was in TFA for example. Just a very likeable actress/character even if she is maybe a bit too competent at everything.
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Yeah, many fans have issues with the direction of these new movies, but I've rarely heard people criticize the performances of the young actors. Daisy Ridley plays her part damn well. If anything, I'd say the least quality performances came from Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford. Sacrilege or not, it felt like Ford kinda phoned it in, and I feel bad saying this, but it just felt uncomfortable watching Fisher with her voice and energy completely depleted. Everything she did seemed so... labored.
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I thought Ford was excellent, and I went into it assuming that he did not give a fuck based on everything I'd heard about his views on Star Wars.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

but it just felt uncomfortable watching Fisher with her voice and energy completely depleted

As someone with no nostalgia for her, I thought this was good and fit her role.

Definitely good they killed Han in the first movie though.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Girls absolutely love Rey, and I think that's awesome. I've gone to Disneyland 3-4 times since TFA and from what I've noticed, she's been the most dressed-up-as female character, ahead of all the princesses.

This definitely turned back over to Belle this last year.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Yeah, many fans have issues with the direction of these new movies, but I've rarely heard people criticize the performances of the young actors. Daisy Ridley plays her part damn well. If anything, I'd say the least quality performances came from Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford. Sacrilege or not, it felt like Ford kinda phoned it in, and I feel bad saying this, but it just felt uncomfortable watching Fisher with her voice and energy completely depleted. Everything she did seemed so... labored.

I didn't think this at all - I thought she was really good in TLJ.
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I mean of all the criticisms of TLJ I and other people have, I don't think any of the new characters are on them (or at least, not very high). Rey has some writing problems, but she's well acted and pretty likable. Finn might have had a terrible B-plot, but his actual character was still great. Poe was good through the whole thing, and even Rose who was somewhat of a weird addition in general ended up being better than I thought she'd be when she was first introduced.

Bad characters was Rogue Ones shtick, not the sequel series so far.

Also while I think TLJ is a bad movie to say its worse than AotC is kind of insane.

I've seen a lot of criticisms of the characters. I've seen criticisms of literally everything though, cause TLJ is apparently the worst movie ever made
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I would kill for a Vader film. Just Vader going nuts on weaklings for 2 hours. The ending of Rogue One really made me realize just how badly I wanna see Slasher Vader.

Also needs many puns while he cuts down random nobodies.
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I thought Ford was great in TFA, personally. Fisher's performances didn't much impress me in either of the new films, sad to say. It is what it is. I still miss her fiercely.

Ridley and Boyega are terrific in both.
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I thought it was pretty good. I liked Luke and I actually liked Kylo Ren much more than in the TFA. I absolutely hated Leia, again. If somebody had to stay behind why couldn't it be Leia? I also hated that Guardians of the Galaxy survive in space thing she did, the way it happened just looked ridiculous. I agree a lot of the "comedy" was poor even for Star Wars. I struggled to understand a lot of what Serkis was saying and I might be the only one that didn't like Rose. I think by the end she was ok but for the majority of the film I hated her character.
My girlfriends main complaint was she hated the fact that Rey and Kylo just stared at each other all the time. Like if you put it all together there's maybe 5-10 minutes of them literally just staring at each other.
I loved the Porg's and I loved those Lanai on Ahch-To with Luke. I even liked Snoke and how he was so confident he was all powerful that he didn't even realise he was losing control of Kylo. I thought Poe was alright and one of the better characters.
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spoilers carrie fisher was always a terrible actress

awesome person

just so bad at her job
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FFDragon posted...

spoilers carrie fisher was always a terrible actress

awesome person

just so bad at her job

I actually rather adore her performances in the OT, especially Empire!
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I loved her in Last Jedi, I thought she did a great job. The cocaine unfortunately screwed up her voice, but I think she still put her best into these new movies.
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tcaz2 posted...

I mean of all the criticisms of TLJ I and other people have, I don't think any of the new characters are on them (or at least, not very high). Rey has some writing problems, but she's well acted and pretty likable. Finn might have had a terrible B-plot, but his actual character was still great. Poe was good through the whole thing, and even Rose who was somewhat of a weird addition in general ended up being better than I thought she'd be when she was first introduced.

Bad characters was Rogue Ones shtick, not the sequel series so far.

Well then let me be the first to stand up to say Poe is a bad character
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also the only real bad character in RO was Forest Whitaker

everyone else was pretty inoffensive
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I actually really liked Fisher's performance in TLJ, I thought she was awesome

Poe is great, so are the RO characters, especially Jyn

She's my waifu
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tcaz2 posted...

Finn might have had a terrible B-plot, but his actual character was still great

I dunno I think he might have been one of the worst parts. I like him but sometimes his humour reminded me of like, John Cena at his worst. A bit too...obvious maybe.

Also I think I realised why I like the fight scene so much. The characters seemed to struggle. I watch a lot of superhero movies and that inevitably means a lot of people tearing through faceless mooks. And sometimes they do that well and stylishly but here you could actually see genuine strain on Rey and Ren's faces and they actually had to think about how to get out of certain predicaments, say if they were in a chokehold or what have you.

For our two principal characters and the main two force users, you might expect them to tear through their opponents easily, especially when they're not even named characters. The prequels did that quite a bit, mostly whenever Jedi were fighting droids. But here there was real struggle and difficulty and intensity, and it took itself more seriously.

Also really well choreographed and the most chill lightsaber kill ever
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Good points, and it's the type of fight scene that gets better on rewatches

I like how Kylo fights, he's clearly not disciplined at all but he's so ferocious
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The Kylo/Ren teamup fight in the throne room is easily the best lightsaber fight in the series in terms of being an actual fight. It doesn't have the emotional gravitas of stuff like Luke/Vader but it's an extremely well-done scene. Aside from being tense and amazing visually, it feels like an actual fight where people are trying to kill each other instead of actors swinging at air (like every fight in the prequels are).
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