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LightningAce11
12/28/17 7:44:41 PM
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http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/court-upholds-135000-fine-for-bakery-owners-who-refused-to-make-cake-for-gay-couple
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Turbam
12/28/17 7:46:05 PM
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Hopefully Trump pardons them
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bover_87
12/28/17 7:46:46 PM
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Turbam posted...
Hopefully Trump pardons them

I don't think you understand how the legal system works.
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Amazon_Shampoo
12/28/17 7:51:44 PM
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Discrimination isn't ever a good thing. I feel like this went too far, but I don't feel they had the right to refuse service.
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LightningAce11
12/28/17 7:54:24 PM
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Amazon_Shampoo posted...
Discrimination isn't ever a good thing. I feel like this went too far, but I don't feel they had the right to refuse service.

They posted personal information about the couple online which led to them getting death threats and harassment.
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ChromaticAngel
12/28/17 7:58:44 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Amazon_Shampoo posted...
Discrimination isn't ever a good thing. I feel like this went too far, but I don't feel they had the right to refuse service.

They posted personal information about the couple online which led to them getting death threats and harassment.

This. They were sued for doxxing them to the hate groups on their Facebook.
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s0nicfan
12/28/17 8:00:20 PM
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Unless this is a different cake story, didn't they only publish the information after they offered to help the couple find a different baker and the couple decided instead to go "scorched earth" on them instead in a bid to get them ruined?
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Verdekal
12/28/17 8:01:47 PM
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Democrats value the freedom of the customer.

Republicans value the freedom of the business.
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ChromaticAngel
12/28/17 8:02:36 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Unless this is a different cake story, didn't they only publish the information after they offered to help the couple find a different baker and the couple decided instead to go "scorched earth" on them instead in a bid to get them ruined?

No. The couple had already left to go contract a non asshole Baker.
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s0nicfan
12/28/17 8:04:09 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Unless this is a different cake story, didn't they only publish the information after they offered to help the couple find a different baker and the couple decided instead to go "scorched earth" on them instead in a bid to get them ruined?

No. The couple had already left to go contract a non asshole Baker.


Ah okay, then it's a different cake story.
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Ganon19
12/28/17 8:06:47 PM
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All could have been avoided if they just made the cake and kept it moving.
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Medussa
12/28/17 8:15:53 PM
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repeat after me. there is no such thing as a religious business. you are either a business, and non-profit, or closed. if you want to be in business, you have to follow those rules. if you want to be a religion, then you can turn away all the people you want. but you can't have both at the same time.
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Third_Eye
12/28/17 8:16:31 PM
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thats what they get for choosing their imaginary friend over real life beings
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TalesOfGod
12/28/17 8:22:03 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Unless this is a different cake story, didn't they only publish the information after they offered to help the couple find a different baker and the couple decided instead to go "scorched earth" on them instead in a bid to get them ruined?


^ I am pretty sure that this is exactly what happened.
That being said, that fine is outrageous and it shows just how biased the court system is today.
If that was done with any other group, that would be unthinkable but apparently, it is okay in this case (it's not).

After seeing similar cases with the LGBT community going ape shit for nothing like not being able to get married in a church that you don't even go to and attempting to sue, I don't have any sympathy for them.
They don't deserve it.
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Medussa
12/28/17 8:23:40 PM
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TalesOfGod posted...
After seeing similar cases with the LGBT community going ape shit for nothing like not being able to get married in a church that you don't even go to and attempting to sue,


citation fucking needed. ffs, there are still churches that don't do interracial marriage.

oh, wait, you said attempted. nice qualifier, since we all know that suit would get tossed immediately.
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GeneralZhao
12/28/17 8:25:54 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Amazon_Shampoo posted...
Discrimination isn't ever a good thing. I feel like this went too far, but I don't feel they had the right to refuse service.

They posted personal information about the couple online which led to them getting death threats and harassment.


That's wrong to but two wrongs don't make a right. Their decision to deny service was also puzzling cause they were willing to sell them the pre-made goods they already had just not bake anything for them personally. Its puzzling cause you're essentially saying that you'll accept their money one way but not the other
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TalesOfGod
12/28/17 8:26:18 PM
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Medussa posted...
TalesOfGod posted...
After seeing similar cases with the LGBT community going ape shit for nothing like not being able to get married in a church that you don't even go to and attempting to sue,


citation fucking needed. ffs, there are still churches that don't do interracial marriage.

oh, wait, you said attempted. nice qualifier, since we all know that suit would get tossed immediately.


No, they actually went through with it but I'm not surprised that you doubt it considering that they made a fucking fool of themselves. It was in England.
That being said, they are allowed to marry whoever they damn well please by law and if they can't, that is a violation of rights.
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FairyLeviathan
12/28/17 8:26:20 PM
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Some of the comments ITT prove just how bigotted the left really is.
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r4X0r
12/28/17 8:27:29 PM
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Verdekal posted...
Democrats value the freedom of the customer.

Republicans value the freedom of the business.


And the business owner and the customer are both INDIVIDUALS, a point lost on you collectivist leftists.
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Medussa
12/28/17 8:28:36 PM
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TalesOfGod posted...
It was in England.


different county, different rules.
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s0nicfan
12/28/17 8:29:26 PM
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GeneralZhao posted...
That's wrong to but two wrongs don't make a right. Their decision to deny service was also puzzling cause they were willing to sell them the pre-made goods they already had just not bake anything for them personally. Its puzzling cause you're essentially saying that you'll accept their money one way but not the other


They may have specifically been trying to find a middle ground to meet business regulations. By offering them a stock cake, but refusing to bake them a special made one, they were effectively not refusing service as a business, but refusing service as a craftsman. An individual can't force another individual to do labor on their behalf, but a business can't turn away a customer either. The question is, if the couple was offered a stock cake by the owner at the beginning, why did the couple pursue legal action in the first place?
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pizz
12/28/17 8:29:51 PM
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-2017
-religious

grow up
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TalesOfGod
12/28/17 8:31:51 PM
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I just double checked the link and I do remember this story as I was talking about it with a lawyer. It was truly bullshit considering that it was highlighted that it was for a gay event and the couple had already said before that they didn't service it.

Not only that, the couple specifically went to these people (when there were many other places open in the area) and refused them when they said that another place would have been better.
It was basically entrapment and they damn well knew it (as has happened in the US with several cases of this happening with the people trying to sue).

This story happened back in 2013 so it has been a few years since then but I don't agree with it.
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FairyLeviathan
12/28/17 8:31:55 PM
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pizz posted...
-2017
-religious

grow up

Statistically belief is something goes up with age. Seems to me like you're the one with growing up to do.
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TalesOfGod
12/28/17 8:32:35 PM
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pizz posted...
-2017
-religious

grow up


^ The same can be said to you.
Grow up and get your head out of your ass.

People can be religious or not, fuck off.
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Medussa
12/28/17 8:39:44 PM
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TalesOfGod posted...
pizz posted...
-2017
-religious

grow up


^ The same can be said to you.
Grow up and get your head out of your ass.

People can be religious or not, fuck off.


people can. businesses can't. orientation is a protected class in Oregon. full goddamn stop.
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FairyLeviathan
12/28/17 8:49:13 PM
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Medussa posted...
people can. businesses can't.


Sure they can.
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Medussa
12/28/17 8:56:46 PM
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FairyLeviathan posted...
Medussa posted...
people can. businesses can't.


Sure they can.


not for profit in the US they can't.
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darkjedilink
12/28/17 8:59:11 PM
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Amazon_Shampoo posted...
Discrimination isn't ever a good thing. I feel like this went too far, but I don't feel they had the right to refuse service.

So businesses are legally obligated to serve anyone who comes on to their property?
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FairyLeviathan
12/28/17 8:59:43 PM
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Medussa posted...
FairyLeviathan posted...
Medussa posted...
people can. businesses can't.


Sure they can.


not for profit in the US they can't.

Cry and scream and throw a fit, it doesn't make you any more correct.
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Amazon_Shampoo
12/29/17 12:47:21 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Amazon_Shampoo posted...
Discrimination isn't ever a good thing. I feel like this went too far, but I don't feel they had the right to refuse service.

So businesses are legally obligated to serve anyone who comes on to their property?

Yes they should be, so long as they are respectful and not causing problems for the business I believe they should be. If we start allowing places to refuse service to certain groups how long would it be before things like segregation make a return.

The last thing the world needs is have a further divide between people.
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Bass_X0
12/29/17 12:54:37 PM
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bover_87 posted...
Turbam posted...
Hopefully Trump pardons them

I don't think you understand how the legal system works.


That's okay. Neither does Trump!
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ModLogic
12/29/17 12:56:30 PM
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Medussa posted...
repeat after me. there is no such thing as a religious business. you are either a business, and non-profit, or closed. if you want to be in business, you have to follow those rules. if you want to be a religion, then you can turn away all the people you want. but you can't have both at the same time.

explain women only gyms
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Amazon_Shampoo
12/29/17 12:57:04 PM
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ModLogic posted...
Medussa posted...
repeat after me. there is no such thing as a religious business. you are either a business, and non-profit, or closed. if you want to be in business, you have to follow those rules. if you want to be a religion, then you can turn away all the people you want. but you can't have both at the same time.

explain women only gyms

I personally don't agree with those either myself.
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Musourenka
12/29/17 1:01:14 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Amazon_Shampoo posted...
Discrimination isn't ever a good thing. I feel like this went too far, but I don't feel they had the right to refuse service.

They posted personal information about the couple online which led to them getting death threats and harassment.


That's why I'm fine with the judgment and amount.
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sylverlolol
12/29/17 1:02:05 PM
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I'm a bit puzzled that people on CE support this yet have a problem with two men suing a female comedian for not allowing men in to her show. Discrimination is discrimination.
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Heineken14
12/29/17 1:03:51 PM
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bover_87 posted...
Turbam posted...
Hopefully Trump pardons them

I don't think you understand how the legal system works.


Well neither does Donnie, so that makes 2 of 'em!
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